If a body of a BigFoot is found, after it is hit by a semi, train or a car. Or hunted or in self-defence - is there a protocal for examining the body.
Are there certin people in the varrious parts of the country who should be contacted if a body is discovered. And do any of the research groups have a protocal if they are informed of a body.
I was thinking about this after last nights report by billgreen of a train hitting a B.F. in CT. Are there people who could swing into action either to recover the body or to prove it as a hoax. And who from the region in the scientific community should be contacted to recieve and preserve the remains.

The authorities first seal off the area....The body is loaded on a flatbed, has a tarp thrown over it and is hauled off to an unknown location..Witnesses are bribed or threatened into silence...Inquiries are met with denials, sarcasm and redicule......It's happened several times..

Where?

PGH wrote:



Do yourself and everyone on this list a favor and destroy every episode of the X-files you have on tape or DVD.....

Ummm... I hope you are being facetious.

YOU WANT THE TRUTH?????YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!
Bigfoot roadkill.......This following report is labeled bogus by a commentator who doesn't know geography...I've camped at frog camp..It's on hwy 126 which intersects hwy97..It is about a 30min drive from Bend, which is the nearest city of any size and from which any authorities would probably be dispatched..There is also a frog lake in Klamath co...More roadkillThen there are the Mt St Helens Rumors..Dead BF on St Helens and this...Dead BF in the Cowlitz...I believe that Bobbie Short personally investigated the Mt St Helens Stories and came away believing that they were largely accurate...

I don't just want the truth, I want the proof.

Lovely stories, though.

Don't you guys know anything?

Men in Black have traincars and traincrews under orders of secrecy ready for just such activities.

Those assets are kept with helicopters and chopper crews, satellite surveillance personnel, sasquatch holding and study facility, and worldwide Sasquatch Capture and Resettlement Effort (SCARE). All this is located in an underground city beneath Edwards Air Force Base (along with a tunnel network for the sasquatches to roam the continent, occasionally popping up for a sighting or two).

Hey - that is a trade secret!


a little more discretion here please!

Damned legal-folk and their conspiratory ways.

Watch it there California boy - I suggest you watch "Deliverance" before you back-talk a southern man, boy.

Now pick up that soap fer me there...

What, you mean this soap here? Hey! What are you doin' back there?!

Southern lawyers with banjos are the most dangerous of the lot....

Careful there, Wildman....

ME THINKS YOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH!!!!!Here's some more lovely stories which indicate that officialdom knows more then it's telling...BFRO researcher Thom Powell in his book; The Locals, relates a story in which a badly burned BF walks in to a firecamp and allows itself to be medically treated..Pictures are taken and witnesses hushed...Former BFRO investigator and Rocky Mountain hunting guide Kieth Foster has said that he's found out that there are 15-20 cases of missing persons in the Rocky Mountains in which evidence of BF involvment has been found..He says that in such cases, the evidence is left out of police reports.( Go to www.bowsite.com to access his threads on the subject)....Harry Oakes is a legend in PNW SAR circles,He takes his SAR dogs to disasters all over the world and conducts seminars on the training and use of SAR dogs... ( google his name).He has related three instances, at international bigfoot society meetings, where it was indicated to him by rangers or LEOs that BF was known to exist but that knowledge was suppressed...What do they know and when did they know it??...presumably he's just seeking attention or is delusional, like Thom Powell, Kieth Foster, Bobbie Short and the other witnesses in the following reports, (one of whom is Matt Moneymaker), all of which indicate official but suppressed knowledge of BFs existance..IBS reports 1456,676,199,1431,1817,1664,1102,601...Bfro report 596

PGH wrote:




What was the insurance situation with that?

I believe Bigfoot's insurance plan is an HM-MoMo.

Wildman wrote:




Perhaps, one day, the insurance agent's body will be found with the rest of the witnesses. Good lord, this phenomenon goes deep.

Did someone say insurance? Can we sue someone? If BF has that umbrella policy, I'll be able to get the new BMW M5.

counselor wrote:




Be vehwe vehwe quiet...they may be on to you. BRB...someone's at the door.

Wow PGH!!!

If this is all so secret but you can cite no less than 9 cases reported to the IBS and BFRO plus other anecdotal stories, then either the government is doing a piss poor job of covering it up or you are part of a government disinformation operation to cover up something even bigger.



[edited by the MIB to further obfuscate the truth by making you wonder what was edited out]

And Then There are all those reports from delusional, attention seeking ex military types...There's a common thread in all the following reports...see if you can pick it out...Ft Lewis.....more ft lewis.....MP report.....Life changing event........BF stalks Edwards.......Base Cop........The NightStalker!.....Meanwhile, back at Ft Lewis.......And This.........Wish I'd skinned it.......and here's one from a delusional attention seeking Border Patrolman.....A Huge Mexican???.......and one more;..Barb's story...Lots of lovely stories from lots of lovely people.....

Ouachita, yer killin' me!!! You guys are hilarious!

Ahhh, Ridicule....The last refuge of the fearfully ignorant......you guys just so overdo it, piling on like so many lemmings....You can refute none of it, but it obviously disturbs you.....You must censor the heretic, silence that which is disturbing to you.......Why don't you think instead of react....Those of us who've seen a BF knows it exist, not just in the wilds of the PNW, but within spitting distance of LA, New York, Houston,Boston,Miami, Phoenix, Detroit, etc...As the old BFRO says, there are reliable sightings in all states save hawaii...We're not talking some tiny insect, but a 7-10 ft tall 1000lb+ hairy biped...There are tens of thousands of track finds and sightings, ( remember Grover estimated that only one sighting in 100 was reported), yet it's not catalogued, not in zoos or stuffed in the Smithsonian....There's a basic incongruence here!.......Give me a better explanation......if you can....

OK, 12 more stories which, assuming they are true, just prove that the government can't keep a secret because we know about them.

I ain't saying that things aren't seen by government personnel, I'm just saying that I don't believe the government has an Illuminati of the Bigfoot operation going on.

[edited because I couldn't get the italics to work right...the MIBs must be trying to shut me down]

As far as I know there is no "cryptomorphic animal liability " exclusion to be found in most umbrella contracts...so go for it!


Besides, everybody knows about the black helicopters up thar in Tenn that the MG folk encountered last year...

And who on this thread said they don't exist? What I don't think exists is a vast government conspiracy to cover it up. If I exercised your logic then it would seem reasonable to me that you are part a conspiracy to hide something bigger and more sinister by distracting everyone with conspiracy stories about Bigfoot! :doh:

Wrong Quachita.....I've cited case after case to back my assertion..You've cited nothing.....If even one of those cases are true then then there is a CONSPIRACY at some level of officalldom to hide the truth........I've cited expert witnesses; Thom Powell, Bobbie Short,Kieth Foster, Matt Moneymaker and Harry Oakes....These people have great reputations.....Are they liars???Are they delusional???.... Would Harry Oakes be leading search and rescue efforts worldwide if he made up stories about bigfoot???......

Come on PGH ol' buddy, dial it back a notch or two. Stop and think about it, if there really was a government wide conspiracy then you wouldn't know about all these stories to start with.

Yes and as most folks say:Come on ol'buddy,Stop and think about it: If there really was a Bigfoot we'd have bodies, They'd be in zoos and museums..........You also assume that Gov't is good at keeping secrets...Ever heard of Watergate, Iran-Contra, The Bio-warfare experiments on civilian populations in the 50s????Those were conspiracies of silence that got out......
Now answer my questions....Are those expert witnesses I cited liars or delusional....And the basic question; Bigfoot EXISTS by the thousands in the mountains, forests, plains,deserts, swamps..It's seen on military bases, in small towns and suburbs, by police and military and border patrol....As any one who takes the trouble to research it soon discovers, there's literally REAMS of evidence of it's existance, as those skeptical PHDs turned believers in the BFRO discovered, yet it's not catalogued or acknowedged by science....Yet it's as big as a grizzly with a range in the US, literally 100 times that of the Griz....There's so much evidence, yet it's not acknowledged and reports are, in fact,ridiculed by the media all the time.......WHY?????

Didn't you hear- there's a pickled bigfoot in a huge vault underneath the smithsonian. It's in the 'animals the government doesn't want you to know about' section. They have smashing collection of chups as well. It's in a big jar at the end of the aisle, just turn left at the ark of the covenant- you can't miss it.

Not a very effective conspiracy to keep it hid, is it? Waste of taxpayers money if you ask me when you can't even keep highly trained, dedicated, straight up military personnel to keep quiet about an animal.



I don't know, maybe because nobody's managed to come up with a body? I think the best candidates to come up with a flesh and blood body are the good ol' boy rednecks in the world (and I am a proud member of that noble tribe) who are definitely not inclined to go along with some government conspiracy to keep them from displaying the trophy of a lifetime. No offense intended toward people of the no kill persuasion intended of course.



Thank you for making my point for me! My point being that the goverrment is NOT good at keeping secrets. You cite some excellent examples to support my case to which I could add the Manhattan Project, the existence of Area 51, the Iran hostage rescue fiasco, the Syphilis studies on African Americans, the CIA LSD experiments, etc etcl.



No, you don't have to be a liar or delusional to be wrong or mistaken about the existence of a government wide conspiracy. Just because most people don't believe as you do does not a conspiracy make. I suspect any silence is more a product of fear of ridicule of the individual or group in general than a specific policy matter. I know people who have witnessed extraordinary phenomena (including Bigfoot) who are extremely reluctant to talk about their experience(s) due to fear of ridicule from friends, family and coworkers, not MIBs.

BTW, personally I think they exist. Bigfoot that is.

[edited because I had to stop in mid sentence to change out the dead batteries the MIBs from the government snuck in and put in my wireless keyboard...the bastards!]

It doesn't have to be some massive, black-ops ordered, government-wide conspiracy to hide the truth from the general public...it only takes two for a conspiracy, and I don't think that's all that unreasonable. Officials don't feel like screwing around with it, or have been ordered by higher ups that anything unusual does not go through regular channels...it's really not as big a stretch as some of you are making it seem. Frankly, I thought PGH did a pretty good job of showing examples when he got harangued.

I suspect the real root of the problem here is frustration at not having an experience and/or belief validated. Just because something is patently obvious and true to an individual does not mean that the larger group will see it the same way. Proclaiming that the larger group or controlling authority is conspiring to suppress the truth is much easier on the ego.

Having an extraordinary experience can be a blessing or a curse depending on the underlying personality and perspective of the individual who has the experience.

Saying the "world", or government for that matter, is against an individual at least gives the individual a sense of importance because that means the individual is a force big enough and important enough to make the "world" feel threatened. That's quite an arrogant position to take because the truth of the matter is the "world" really doesn't give a $#!] one way or the other. The "world" is not angry, spiteful, threatened, or any other emotion. The "world" is just indifferent.

If you happen to kill or capture a Bigfoot I seriously doubt the government is going to stop you from going public with your proof.

I think that specific phrase probably has more truth to it than anything said by anybody so far about the true nature of any supposed government conspiracy.

No official conspiracy, just a bunch of lazy bastards who don't want to risk extra work or ridicule.

, exactly...but there is no such thing as an "official" conspiracy...a conspiracy is a conspiracy by definition, people just add all their own dark, TV/movie influenced nuance to it on their own...hell even by strict defintion I don't necessarily think a bunch of government officials agreeing to not release BF info is a legal "conspiracy".

As an aside:



now that is a baaaaad day having to see that...yeeesh!

[QUOTE]If you happen to kill or capture a Bigfoot I seriously doubt the government is going to stop you from going public with your proof.

That I agree with. Govt Conspiracy about BF..maybe, only if to quell public fear, or to throw off any security-related stuff around bases. But a total (federal, state, local) govt consp....no, I doubt it. Local cops having a sighting late at night, talking amongst themselves on a 'secure' police band just hush it up betweent themselves to avoid any possible ridicule. Another thing, local and I mean LOCAL cops/sherrifs tend to be LOCAL (IMHO). Meaning, they may be a cop today but they could be a beer-drinking buddy or neighbor tommorrow. I know plenty of ex-sherriff deputies and they tell alot of tales, some with a wink and a nod but nothing even remotely akin to "hush up anything that sounds like Sassy".

Basically I don't think the authorities don't want us to know that they don't know, you know?
They try and project security and knowledge and truth. Stability within our legal and societal system. When something comes up outside of that realm they clam up, and I don't think I can blame them.


edited for spelling.

That would certainly get my attention!

Could ruin your whole day!

Lack of evidence of a conspiracy is a sure sign its working

Now don't go getting all logical on us here Rob!

Look, just b/c I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me!

All good questions. As I've said a few times here, I work for the Canadian govt. in forestry and have been here almost 30 years. I've never heard anything about being told to cover up bf evidence. You would think if your U.S. govt. was going to do that they would have to get Canada to cooperate? I've never heard anything internal about bf. I've never met anybody who saw evidence nor have I ever heard it metioned by forest workers in the last 30 years I've worked in Ontario AND this is the real deal here in Ontario, it's WILDERNESS! While I hope I'm wrong, IMHO there is no such thing as bf.

t.

While that is obviously true from your own perspective, that doesn't mean there aren't people in other parts of North America with completely different experiences to yourself.

I believe there are some examples on record of forestry workers having a different attitude to you.

That's right Lyndon and it's only my opinion and observation from my long time in the saddle. The forestry world is pretty tight and most information is shared. If a bf was observed it would be all over the internal airwaves. Do you think there is a bf animal in Britian?

t.

I won't hold an opinion on whether there is evidence for a "conpiracy of silence" (or whether such a conspiracy is failing or succeeding), but I do see a possible motivation for keeping sasquatch unrecognized or uncatalogued (however you want to word it).

Take these assumptions:

-Sasquatch are relatively rare. There is a possibility (born from guesstimates about population) that as a species they are not faring well.

-Sasquatch can be found in almost every state. (This may or may not contradict the prior assumption. They may simply need a large range.)

-A sasquatch will not, under normal circumstances, kill human beings for any reason and therefore would not acquire the nasty reputation that once earned the wolf, grizzly, and great white shark an endemic lack of sympathy.

I imagine that the official "discovery" of such a large mammal in the United States would greatly upset current land management policies. Evaluating the species and its requirements, and then revising policies would perhaps be an unacceptable expense. Additionally maybe the public knowledge of an organism with such a resemblance to human beings might make the average voter more likely to vote for any and all environmental issues on a ballot. Is it ever cheap to be eco-friendly?

Might not the discovery of new megafauna be extraordinarily inconvenient for certain large interests (primarily logging and energy)? While a governmental/nation-wide conspiracy might be a bit too farfetched or overly X-Files in tone, I wouldn't be surprised if said interests would rather a large ape wandering the wilds go quietly extinct than come out into the open and become a poster child for absolute (even fanatic) habitat preservation.

My apprehension of the ways of money, land, and corporations may be too biased and cynical to make any of my ideas realistic. But then I always consider my words successful if they nudge someone toward seeing things in a different light, if only for a second.

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