Hopefully without the needless bickering this time.

In my own experience, I've heard it twice. The first time was at close range, and was a single, very loud "whack". Because of the circumstances involved (me moving towards a trail after hearing something moving bipedaly towards me) it is my belief that this was a warning. Basically, don't come any closer or things might get ugly. Again, there's no way of me to say for sure that this is what it was, but that was the impression I got at the time.

The second time was late at night, and there were six consecutive, evenly paced hits. We recorded these, and as soon as Paul gets off his butt we'll be providing a much better audio sample for review. In this case, its pratically impossible to guess as to what they might have meant. It could have been a rallying call (hey, I'm over here), it could have been a warning (hey, there's people over there), or it could have been something else all together.

In the end, I think the wood knocking is very important, assuming it is even bigfoot related, since to date I'm not aware of anyone that has actually seen a bigfoot performing the action described.

I thought that psychologist dude in Oregon had seen one knocking rocks together..

Not exactly the same, but very similar.

Got a link to that? I'd like to read it.

That just sent chills up my spine...literaly.
Other then the moving toward a previous sound...that is exactly what Stacy, Rabidmonkey, and myself, experienced this past summer. A single, EXTREMELY close and very lound wood on wood crack. This was within seconds(literaly) of RM and myself performing woodknocks of our own. And...a bit of time(can't remember exact lenght), after a series of call blasts. While we will never know for sure what did it, or why...in an instant, my attitude about this phenomenon changed. NOTHING certain..no possible way to be so, given the lack of visual conformation..but given the remotness of the area, and circumstances of our comming to chose that spot..I feel the chance of a human explaination is remote.



Seriously..I Hope to have something ready soon.

Chills up your spine? I was by myself. I nearly had to do a drawers check after that one if you know what I mean.

In the fall of 1991 I heard a pounding sound late at night in deep woods. It had a certain rythm to it. 4-5 "thumps" and then it would stop. I didn't really think much about it until years later when I started reading BFRO reports about "wood knocking" or tree pounding. :doh:

See what y'all think about this:

First a few questions, Bitter Monk you mentioned that the first time you heard a single knock you were alone. And the second time you were with others. You heard 6 knocks and how many were in your group?

Okay now for anyone else who has heard this did the number of knocks correspond to the number of people in your party?

Could it be a way of simply communicating how many humans area in an area by imitatating a sound (That of chopping wood) that humans have been making for thousands of years. Additionally, bigfoot probably can tell the difference between wood on wood versus metal on wood.

Next, to those who have heard responses from across the forest, would it be possible for another camping party to be in the vicinity of where the sound originated?

Think about it.... we go into the forest and bigfoot not only locates us and can keep tabs on us maybe he can even count.

If there is any validity to this hypothesis then bigfoot just made monkies out of us.

Like it was mentioned before bigfoot hunters are becoming especially more attuned to sounds in the woods than your average hiker. this is great for us because bf stills thinks we're stupid.

Not in my most suspicious case. There was only one person and the knocks were 5 or 6 times. I believe it was a warning to other BFs that there were humans in the area. They sounded off when my exhusband moved into the BFs vicinity (unknowingly) while hunting. It then moved farther away from ex and sounded off once again with the same 5 or 6 knocks. Thinking back I would have to say that they were the exact same pattern, just a few minutes apart and in different locations.

Hope that helps.

That kinda grabbed me too NW ... Sam, if you're interested, in the middle of the first post in this thread

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...michigan+outing

is a description of what happened.

Julio(Mark), my wife Sassafras and I were deep in a National Forest, camping, for a week. We had been tree knocking, on and off. During the middle of the week, in mid afternoon, we started to get a response. We would knock three times and we would eventually get the same response. This surely went on over an hour and over a dozens incidences. They also came from different directions and maybe two locations would be fair to say. Since we had been there for a while, we were a little concerned with hoaxers. I left camp and drove around looking for other campers and cars. Were we were camped, the main sand road dead ended just down from our campsite. There was literally nobody within miles of us.

Later we experimented, trying to determine how far away the knocks were. Naturally, we thought they were quite a ways off. I went into the woods and knocked on trees of different sizes and shapes, with my wife and Julio staying in camp to compare the sounds with what we heard. You can imagine our surprise, when we found that because of the density of the woods, it seemed that the sounds were only about 100 yards away. We were fairly new to BF research and didn't realize just how provacative this incident was.

Also, Julio can imitate some of the higher pitched sounds that you may hear on the internet that are suggested are bigfoot calls. He was doing this as well as imitating a barred owl. We also heard, from one direction, multiple vocal responses during the same period. Sorry, no recordings. It is odd, but we were sitting around a fire, on a crisp spring day, in mid-afternoon, and it didn't occur to us to try to record. It was spread over a large time frame and the vocals were not instant responses to Julios calls.

My wife concurs with my assessment of that afternoon. Mark, do you agree or would you like to add to this account?

I recently had a wood knocking occurance on 12-30-04 in a wildlife preserve about 20 miles SW of Minneapolis. The chance of it being bigfoot seemed so remote I didn't want to post anything , but here goes.

I came onto a state trail in Jordan,MN, the only car there at the time, and preceded to hike maybe a mile and a half in, when rounding a corner I suddenly stopped upon hearing loud knocks. They would go 4 or 5 knocks at a time with a 1 to 2 second pause in between. After awhile I started counting along silently, to make sure I was really hearing this. It continued for a good 5 minutes and I just listened, trying to not spook myself to much and run the other way. Only when I gathered myself and yelled "who's there!" did it stop and after a 10 second pause the sound of one person running away.

The knocks were not a hammer or woodpecker, more like a kid hitting together large blocks to make noise, not the deep resonant sound some of the other posters have heard. I had my digital camera, as I always do, and took two shots just for the hell of it while the knocking was going on, but of course all you see is trees. It would be a good 5-6 mile hike to get to this point from the next parking area, and I did pass some hunters on the way out, there truck being the only other vehicle next to me. That's my story, if any one else has heard something similar please give a possible explanation.

Definately sounds like you guys had an interesting time Stacey.

Next, to those who have heard responses from across the forest, would it be possible for another camping party to be in the vicinity of where the sound originated?

Oops I only intended for part of that to be quoted.

The area where I experienced wood knocking a few years back is known as Hemlock Cliffs in Hoosier Natl Forest. There weren't many houses nearby at the time. As for other people being in the woods at the time, it is possible but they would have had to have been a long way off because my car was the only one in the nearest parking area.

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Bitter Monk and the rest,

I actually have myself the belief that it's a custom for southern or primarily south-eastern bigfoot species to use wood knocking as a form of communication and/or a warning signal. I recall that my first bigfoot experince was when my best friend and I had been filming a "scary movie" just for fun in our backwoods behind the house. As part of the plot of our movie, the person holding the video camera would have his side or back to the person not on camera. The person not on camera would then pick up a solid branch and beat it up against a tree, then we would act as if something was chasing us.

The point is that after our fake wood knocking we did hear an enormous amout of movement on a nearby hilltop that we had not staged, though the sound wasn't caught on camera audio. When I had my bigfoot sighting which was on the following day, we were doing the same thing in our movie, the wood knocking.

So, I do believe it was possible that our wood knocking triggered a response to a nearby bigfoot creature causing him to either move from the area, or create loud noises. This may have possibly signaled to that very same bigfoot that he should investigate what is knocking in his territory (which would be why it exposed itself from its cover for my friend and I to experience our sighting on that one day).

"Chills up your spine? I was by myself. I nearly had to do a drawers check after that one if you know what I mean."
Oh yeah, I know what you mean.

"In the end, I think the wood knocking is very important..."
Very.

The wood knocking is important. There is no doubt in my mind about that. The question becomes which knocks elicit which responses.

I'm not naming any names but if Paul ever gets off his butt we'll post up a clear copy of the wood knocking we recorded.

Crud, I'm in trouble....Sam, I promise..soon as I can get MY friend off his butt, and get him to do the conversion!
FWIW..I never put much into the wood knocking, untill our experience this past summer. I still cannot say WHAT it was..but, I can say...that it IS. There is a phenomenon...and I am growing to believe it's important, somehow.
Pieces of the puzzle.

Just a thought for all of you, not really knowing your locations. I had a friend who's friend was a pot grower in northern cal a few years ago. He once told my friend they used wood knocking on trees to alert to people in the area.

Also, when living in Montana, we used to drive deer by hitting trees with sticks at one end.

Just a thought...

Ever hunt deer in the dark without a flashlight?

I'm just ragging you man. You should see how hectic my life is right about now.

Edited to say....You've at least listened to it haven't you?

The experience we had was in April, in Northern Michigan. No hunting seasons around. Trout fishing is open, though, which is why I scouted the area for other people. There were none. We had definitive knocking that mimicked what we did in number of knocks and rythm. It went on for more than an hour in mid afternoon.

I do not know what it was, but I am sure it wasn't another person.

Mick, was this near the gate, or around the other side, to the south?

several times...If it traslantes with the same quality it plays, should be able to get some good, clear stuff.

Paul,

I'm not sure what you mean by the gate. It was near the barrier in the two track road. I believe somebody showed you the campsite, where the sightings, etc occured the year before. That is where Sassafras, Mark and I were for 6 days and the knocking happened. The sound came from the NE, which if you have been there, you know is a marsh cause by an old beaver damn, with no roads in that area.

Used to hear wood on wood or I thought it was wood on wood when hunting. Could of been rock to rock. Its been so long ago to tell the difference. Makes me wonder. .


Belle

I've been thinking about what a long range bigfoot conversation might sound like. I imagine it might go a little something like this.

(Sas1) "Hey, I'm a bigfoot. Anybody else a bigfoot?" (whoop whoop whoop)

(Sas2) "Hey, I'm a bigfoot too." (knock)

(Sas1) "Cool. I'm over here." (knock knock)

(Sas2) "Hey, who is that over there?" (Whistle)

(Sas1) "Hey, who are you?" (whooop whoop whoop)

(Person) Silence..........................

(Sas1) "I said Hey!" (loud knock)

(Sas2) "Man I think that's a dude."

(Sas1) "Let's scream at it and see what happens."

Funny........

Got you Mick, yep, know right were you are talking. It would be hard to fathom anyone in there, unless they were in 10' hip boots or an air boat!

Love to hear that Recording Monk!

Fascinating discussion.

Those of you that have had wood knocking experiences, have you checked with any applicable orgs to ensure you werent experiencing a field expedition wood knocking?

I would also like to be able to add wood knocking to my own personal outing to see if I get any returns. What is the best way to go about it?, or should I ask, what did YOU do that illicited the response.

Maybe we humans should add an agreed-upon marker to our wood-knocking so we don't mislead other researchers. Like a once-an hour rapid five-knock sequence? Or blowing a whistle? Or ________

I heard knocking once, It happened where me and another guy was working. In the morning we seen tracks in the snow from over night. they were big enough and space far enough to be bf. The knocks I heard were maybe 5- 8 at a time. I thought woodpeker at first but it didn't sound right, fairly slow. I followed the sound a couple times but seen nothing. This happened off and on through out the day. I was getting chills down my spine several time off and on. This area was very remote. On a locked up game reserve 3 miles from the nearest resident and 30 miles from the nearest town.

Another time this last fall, Homer and I were checking out a spot.
I was chopping wood. Someone had fell a small tree across the road and I was chopping it up to get it out of the road. I made a fire, (It was cold and late by now) When I heard something that sounded like a talking frog right inside the tree line. (maybe 20 yard away) We pointed a game finder at what I heard and about pegged the led's. After grabing lights and cameras and all, we used the game finder again to try and locate what I heard. It had moved to a different spot and seemed like there might be more than 1 of what ever it was.

After a while longer and nothing coming into camp We decided to call it a night. We started are rigs to warm up the inside ( it was cold out) homer accidently hit his spot lights and heard crashing through the woods as something ran off.

Maybe bf maybe not but it was definitely something there.

That's very similiar to an experience I had many years ago that I have never been sure about. I was night fishing from a boat in a rather swampy area. The surrounding land was heavily wooded, several thousand acres of woods. I cast a lure, then all the sudden there were several really big splashes in the water nearby in the darkness immediately as my lure plopped into the water. Something took off like a rocket through the woods. I never saw a thing. I nearly jumped out of the boat.

Pull Tab

We were the field expedition in the area. We were there for 6 days and nights. We were very aware of any traffic in the area, which, by the way, was nil. Ingress to the site we were camping in by vehicle was only from the south. One could approach from the north and west on foot, but from the direction we were getting the responses was NE, towards a beaver pond back water.

The only mystery is what was doing it. We were there specifically to investigate bigfoot activity in that area, which had been continuous for a few years and still is in fact. I am sure it wasn't a human but will not state it was a bigfoot, because we couldn't find any sign of the wood knocking. One day out of six gave us wood knocking responses. That same day, we also got vocal responses from the same direction, such as screams. Very provacative and very curious, but not identifiable. I am not one to instantly state it must be a bigfoot, simply because I experienced something I am not familiar with in the woods. This why I keep saying, I don't know.

Which you will, once I get off my butt and get it digitalized!

Mick
We will never know what made those knocks.In the back of our minds we all thought that it might have been Jim but like you said things just do not add up,I want to go there again and see if we can find out what made those knocks.It was very wierd and who knows it could have ben another human but then again we tried to make the same knocks as close to camp as we could just to see how close it was to us.What we found out is that it was closer then we thought.I wish we could do it again.I real do not think that these creatures are still in that area but then again who knows.We need to find out even more.
Mark A

Pull Tab,

We used a good size post and simply hit against a good sized tree. The post was about 4 inches in diameter and the tree was big.

I have heard of people taking two sticks and beating them against each other. I suggest if you can pick up two posts at the same time, they aren't big enough. Then we simply swung them like we were going for the fence. Loud and aggressive. We used three repeating knocks and then a break.

Hope you try it and report back any responses.

Mick

Wood knocking sounds very intereting indeed ! I plan on using it myself this Spring/ Summer/Fall , but I do also believe that a certain amount of caution should be used .
Wood knocking may be Bigfoot's equivalent of a Gorilla's " chest thumping ." It may be more of a warning, territorial, or otherwise .
It does seem to be a decent way to tell if there are any in the area though . I think that after a brief series of responses, I'd want to lay off the wood knocking , just to make sure that I'm not illiciting some type of " challenge." in Bigfoot speak .

That's what we've got the dog for.

Thanks for the info.. Here is what Im thinking of trying.


Something like two 4x4 pieces of wood, maybe 2ft or a little better joined at one end with a hinge and just use it like a big clapper to smack the two pieces of wood together.

Maybe 2x4 would work as well. Suggestions? Ideas?

Of course, the fallback would be beating on a tree..

I wonder if one of those paddles the teachers used on us in school would work. It sure sounded loud on my backside. :pinch: Not that I got into trouble in school or anything.

Gotta love them Black and Tans BM. The more I think about this wood knocking the more it interests me. Wasn't there a park ranger out west somewhere that had a bigfoot sitting on a traul looking at him banging rocks together??? Can't remember the show but he sounded pretty credible to me..

Crew Chief

That's a mean lookin pooch Bitter Monk. If a bigfoot comes near, watchout Mr. Foot!

I use a wooden bat and that works great.
Mark

me, too!

What? Just whack a tree with the bat?

Any particular species of tree better than another?

not that I can think of....Ponderosa pines worked pretty well.
No, you just go around to what's close by and give it a test swing...

give it the ol' "American Idol" test for tone, timber and reverberation...
see if it can carry a "tune"....

It's just that a bat works alot better (and is less likely to shatter in your hands) than a branch....