I read an article by Dr. James R. Butler from Alberta Canada on the possibilities of Sasquach having higher sensory preception ( HSP). Has anyone heard of him or his article? I found it to be very thought provolking.
Thanks
Pegleg

Aw You been reading again!!

Neat article from Bobbie Short's Bigfoot Encounters Archives

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/biology/butler.htm

Just in case someone else is interested :wink:

Now back to work Pegleg ..there's squatches to hunt!



Robert

Yep thats the one I read before.my opinion on it is that they have a "woodswise" animals sense of perception.Maybe an acute sense of hearing,smell,and sight that allows them to avoid detection that may seem to some as a form of 6th sense.But at the same time my dog does seem to know when someone is coming long before I do.

I've suggested this before especially about dogs and imagine it's the case with most wildlife.

Yep, the Butler article is one of my favorites-- very interesting theories. Does anyone know of Butler's work or have other information about him? I hadn't heard of him until I saw the n2.net article.

I like this paragraph:

'We have found so much support for the existence of HSPs through our familiarity with domestic animals, and yet theoretically, the very circumstances of their domestication should not be conducive for maximizing their capacity for higher sensory development. Yet if we have come to recognize sometimes-remarkable levels of higher sensory development in dogs, what must exist in wolves? If we are impressed with paranormal behavior in house cats, what must exist in mountain lions? When domestic horses baffle scientists with their psi-communication abilities, what will happen when we test for HSP in zebras? What would be the capacity for HSPs for a highly evolved primate, which is dependent entirely upon its own resources and is living in a dwindling environment, which is constantly encroached by a competitive, and threatening species? Theoretically speaking, I would say that the HSP capacity for such an organism would be both highly probable and very well developed.'

Cool-- now I'm a Windigo!! If you shoot an innocent sledder, I'll track you down and get medieval on you, big time.

theres that "P" word again

Well, lets see, the average human stands approx 5 foot 8 inches
the average sasquatch stands at approx 8 foot
so, of course their eyes, ears, and nose are higher than ours, so , Higher Perception ? of course !!!

i highly doubt it, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the existence of HSP

I agree with that unless it means Heightened sensory perception,as in the senses are more acute than we even think.(hearing ,smell,vision) if enough of the five senses operate a higher level,it would almost seem to be a sort of 6th sense.

Whoa!

No worries, mate! 8)

Hey Leonard, I think I've found you a friend! :wink:

hey JonR

Im with you on the HSP. I understand Butler to mean the critters senses are greater than perhaps the critters we a use to hunting. I dont think he is saying they have ESP ( or ESPN as I heard a blond call it ). I think if we Keep in the back of our minds the POSSIBILITY that ole squach just might have HSP we might have a better chance of sightings or even pics. What chance would a bear hunter have of finding bears if he didnt take in cosideration the bears keen sense of smell ? Just a thought.

Peg

If this refers to higher sensory perception I do have experience with wolves vs. dogs in this regard. Although wolves and dog DNA is identical, in my experience wolves are much more perceptive than dogs in every respect, sight, smell, instincts, and intelligence. It is my opinion the breeding process to obtain the animals we now call Fido and Fluffy, although superior to humans in perception, are nowhere near the abilities even of wolves who are several generations out of the wild. Wild wolves and wolves one or two generations out of the wild are even more perceptive.

I believe sasquatch are much like the wild wolves, very perceptive of their surroundings.

Could it be maybe that these animals can hear a greater range of the audio spectrum?

And that maybe sounds we cannot hear can be heard quite clearly by these creatures?

If that were the case, would we call that ability HSP? By definition, I would have to say yes.

I think, at a minimum, this is the case with many animals.

I think greater range and distance Rob.

Oh yeah! I would think a much greater distance as well!

Good call, Aok. :wink:

(you see, she called me Rob when my name is RB, so I put an o in her name and then... yeah, I know, never mind... I'm going back to bed now...)

Sorry about that RB. It was my initial impression that Rob Ustes posted your comment. I stand (or sit) corrected.

OK, i agree on the "better" senses .... but if your talking ESP, nope.
*see also the thread "Fat feet and seismic waves" for further comments*

Better eyesight, hearing, smellers, and for sure better awareness of surroundings. After all, its their living room, they grew up there, they know what noises are normal, what smells are normal.
Plus you have those loudmouth birds, who announce your presence up to a mile away by relay

Bird-powered early warning system.... by relay? Of course!

I seems so simple when you think about it...

I'm not worthy....

AR, just teasing... :wink:

Well, yeah :!: ... next time (or maybe youve noticed this already) your in the woods, and a bird spots you, and gives out his warning, listen for another bird further away to repeat the same call, and maybe another one further still repeat it again Crows esp. d*mned birds

...those birds are going to pay.... :wink:

Out here, there is this big push to research the mountain raven and the desert raven... they are HUGE!

Are they the same as crows?

Ravens are related to crows, but not the same bird.
Bigger, and some say more intelligent. I'm not sure.

Surprised that the Blue jay hasen't been mentioned yet.

If you have ever hunted squirrels ,you may have noticed the distinct alarm cry that one or usually several of these birds call out.It is a 3 caw or screech call. They like to hang arround in groups and when they start sceaming all the little critters take notice,and hide.

Crows also have a distinct 3 caw,warning call. These birds are usually found in pairs at the least. And boy we all know how loud they get.

No wonder it's so hard to see much of anything with just those two birds arround.

Oh geesh, yeah , Jays are notorious ... but thankfully only in my woods in the fall and winter.

Have you noticed that crows have two calls for man ? One for "man" and one for "man with gun" ? I used to scoff at that idea, but an old tracker told me that, and proved it. The gun call has a higher pitch on the third caw. Nature never ceases to amaze

Those Jays are a pain!!!

Out here we have Blue Jays that will chase your butt around the yard, my dog hates them and has killed several.

But we have the Stellar’s Jay out here also. These things are much bigger than an ordinary Blue Jay… and they usually have a bit of an attitude. Probably one of the more aggressive birds I’ve seen.

Oh yeah, and Heckel and Jeckel live in California as well…. MagPies everywhere! But I don’t think they make much noise…

But squirrels certainly do! That barking alarm can be heard quite a ways, I’m sure. My dog hates them also. He’s a hunter, like me…. with either much better luck or better skills than I! I prefer to think he’s just lucky… fast, but lucky…

Then, of course, there are the millions of tiny tweeters I could never hope to identify… nuthatches, finches by the millions, sparrows, meadowlarks… not like California isn’t perfect bird habitat or anything… only thousands and thousands of acres of wildlife preserves out here…

Rob, you’re not pulling this old country boy’s leg with that “man with a gun” thing are you? :wink:

Wish i was RB, but nope ... they can distinguish a gun from a stick too. how? i have no clue, just intelligimint i guess

...what if you made your gun to resemble a stick?....

short story----i have a distant cousin....Elizebeth? Dold..who wrote an article on prairre dogs a couple of years back for national wildlife, audubon society, or something like that.....claim was that the dogs chirps were different and understandable....man, man with gun, more than one man, rattlesnake, hawk, etc.........

distant story----i have a short cousin.... joking..... I haven't ever heard anything like that before... but I don't doubt it... I heard that those prairie dogs live in one "contiguous" colony that stretches for hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles... like those ants from the south of france to the south of Italy...

...do you know what the pink panther said when he stepped on the ant? dead ant, dead ant, dead ant dead ant dead ant dead ant dead antttttttttt, deadeded ant.

RB AOK ARK ROB THAT was glorius wonderful schtuff made me laugh.
Thanky.

Yeah Ravens and crows are in the same family called corvidae. So they are just different species if memory serves me correctly. I think they belong to the same genus which was last
time I checked Corvus.
Now regarding .... mmmmfffftt. Forgot what I was gonna say

Well dang now I remember and whats funny is Medic already did say it. He brought up blue jays and then it was Stellers Jays... all these guys are in the crow and raven family. Magpies too.
So they all eat meat in a sense in however way they can catch it. Anybody seen a road killed crow or raven before? I think once for me and that's it. Smart birdies.

Quality thread. It's somewhat relevant to the "...being watched" thread I posted a short while ago.

These animals certainly have higher sensory perception relative to anything we can conceive from experience, and altogether this makes for what I think of as a sixth sense. The more advanced humans become and the more that our senses are tainted by environmental pollutants, the farther removed from this state we become. Those who have considered the sensory abilities and connectedness with their environment that Aborigines exhibit know what I'm talking about.

This is something I could pound out a book about if I had the time. It's a shame that, regardless of how many bones or bodies are ever dragged in, it's going to be essentially impossible to study the everyday capacities of this animal.

Beyond that, I'd have to say that I place the stories of supernatural BF powers on the same shelf with Archie Bunker's rib-tickling assertion that a Jew can hypnotize a priest. I think they are so elusive, so quick, so quite and yet so loud, and so downright awe-inspiring that the experience itself lends a supernatural filter to the event.