Hello All,

DTK asked that I put this poll together, so here it is.

This poll is to help decide where the first meeting of the Northeastern Wood-Ape Investigation Association (NWIA) should take place. And to find what other support some of you (who may not find the chance to attend) might be able to give. Or what interest you might have in working with the NWIA.

The initial meeting(s) will be to determine policy and organizational direction for the NWIA. We will also discuss potential expedition locations, personal (BF related) experiences, sighting locations and regional boundaries.

More information about this group can be found at the following links.

Northeastern Wood-Ape Investigation Association

N.E. Hidden Treestand pjct Whitehall, NY

Aggressive Sas encounter in Thompson, CT


There is still a long way to go in putting this organization together and YOUR input is welcomed and wanted. So please feel free to weigh in on this with any suggestions you might have.


Thanks for your input, Chuck

Greetings Northeastern world-shakers and history-makers,

Trying to come to a conclusion on a definite meeting location has become difficult. (Too many wishy-washy answers.) BigDaddy has offered to post a voting feature on this new NWIA thread to help us finalize a location. I thought is was a great idea so as soon as it goes up, please vote on a definite location. The location that reiceves the most votes will end up becoming the meeting location. Anyone who cannot make it due to distance or other mitigating circumstances may join the meeting by live feed, by conference call or by online chat.

If there is anyone present with the tech skills and know-how to help me set up the live electronic feed feature and make this a reality for this meeting so that all who are interested may fully participate, I would appreciate your assistance. Please contact me on my cell.

Also, I am assembling an agenda for the meeting. It would be great for each of you to offer topic suggestions by e-mailing me at hghost@trysb.net. These topics need to be covered quickly and decided upon in as little amount of time as possible. The maximum meeting time should probably be three to four hours.

The topics suggested so far by others and myself:

1) What states and regions shall define the northeastern territory?
2) How do we introduce loose standards for NWIA membership, without becoming too stringent, elitist or exclusive?
3) Should this be an alliance of independent researchers?
4) What will be our "investigatory standards"?
5) What will be our stand on “kill or no kill”?
6) What will be our policy concerning cooperativeness & working with other groups?
7) How will we structure the organization? Who will make up the teams?
8) What will be the approximate date and locations of our first investigations? (The Whitehall area tops the list in northern NY)
9) What will be our general methods and research approach?
10) What searchable criteria should we include on our web site that will make NWIA unique?

Any other agenda suggestions are welcome, but send them ASAP.

Each interested member should be prepared to bring their specific talents and skills to the meeting table. (I'm thinking about using a generic information sheet that would be filled out by all, containing name [or alias as in my case], contact information, interests, talents, skills, experience and abilities. This would not be for membership acceptance purposes, as we should be joined primarily by relationship and by common cause, but for the proper assembly of investigation teams and to develop a master contact list, which would be made available to all NWIA members)

Please use haste and vote for one meeting location only. (Or the two meetings option.) The poll will close on January 1st, 2005.

Thanks!

David Thomas King

DTK

Got your PM but was unable to respond.

BigDaddy

Thanks for putting together the poll


S.O.G.

I'm all for getting NWA together! Sure, it won't be easy since Eazy E passed away, but...

What?

Oh! N-W-I-A! I get it now! Sorry!

BTW, I think Snoop Dogg could fill Eazy's shoes, if it came down to it. Peace out.

All right Northeastern SasSearchers,

Unless we get an unprecedented surge of votes for another location by midnight tonight, it looks like Hartford, CT is going to be our first meeting location. (Come on guys, it’s really not that far! The Beaver is driving all the way down from Quebec, Canada to be wherever we hold it! It’s worth the drive. The NWIA could make history here and at there very least, we’re all going to have a good time.) The clock is ticking! Vote if you haven’t already.

(The two meeting option is still on the table. We could link them together via live laptop video feed)

David

P.S. Any other Northeasterners interested in attending?

what are you using for the live feed, netmeeting?

Wildman,

While Snoop Dogg is thu fushizzol. You can't replace Eazy, I mean he owns the word "Biiiiiiiiiitch". Though i'm not into Hip-Hop.

Furizzol, Chuck

Happy New Year friends of the Northeast and of the NWIA,

It looks like we'll be shaking hands for the first time in Hartford, CT. May it be a historic moment for all involved. I don't know about the rest of you, but I sense destiny in the air. It's time for a new generation of specialized and uniquely gifted northeastern researchers to join together for a single common cause -- to search for tangible evidence of a long-standing cryptozoological mystery -- the purported existence of a fantastic and wondrous creature affectionately called by some -- The Northeastern Wood-ape. May we be successful where others have failed. May we find satisfaction in the search and know the fulfillment of discovering with our eyes things that others have only dreamed of seeing. May this come to pass because we dared to believe what others refused to believe and question what others refused to question. May it happen because we were willing to go where others have never gone before and attempt what others have never attempted. May it be because we were willing to sacrifice in ways others have refused to sacrifice and work harder than others were willing to work. May it also be because we remained united and refused to be divided by petty disagreements, high-minded attitudes and self-centered agendas. May all that we say and do be done for the common furtherance of this great and noble cause.

Yours partner for the discovery and establishment of the truth,

David Thomas King – January 1st, the year AD, 2005

I suggest a better name. The first 2 letters in abbreviation - NW - suggest the NorthWest. I had to think 3 times about that.

You have a good point dogfoot. Anyone else feel the same way? If so, how about some suggestions...

Maybe, North Eastern Wood-ape Investigators (NEWI) or North Eastern Wood-ape Investigation Association (NEWIA)

Any other possible name suggestions?

DTK

either's fine but the NWIA does kinda sound like NW or northwest.

Just wondering, but wouldn't it be the NEWAI or NEWAIA instead of NEWI or NEWIA because of the "A" in the word Wood-Ape? I'm not really sure which way would be correct.

To be honest, I don't really like using the term Wood-Ape, I much prefer either Sasquatch or Bigfoot. But I wasn't going to say anything because, after all, this whole group is your idea in the first place David so I didn't want to rock the boat or anything.

Anyway, since you have now asked for suggestions for other possible names for the group, here are a few I came up with for you to consider.



N E S S = North East Sasquatch Society

N E S T = North East Sasquatch Team

N E S R = North East Sasquatch Researchers

N E S I = North East Sasquatch Investigators

N E S R A = North East Sasquatch Research Association

N E S I A = North East Sasquatch Investigation Association

N E S I S = North East Sasquatch Investigation Society

N E S I T = North East Sasquatch Investigation Team

N E S I G = North East Sasquatch Investigation Group

N E S I O = North East Sasquatch Investigation Organization

N E S R O = North East Sasquatch Research Organization

N E S R G = North East Sasquatch Research Group

N E B S = North East Bigfoot Society

N E B T = North East Bigfoot Team

N E B R = North East Bigfoot Researchers

N E B I = North East Bigfoot Investigators

N E B R A = North East Bigfoot Research Association

N E B I A = North East Bigfoot Investigation Association

N E B I S = North East Bigfoot Investigation Society

N E B I T = North East Bigfoot Investigation Team

N E B I G = North East Bigfoot Investigation Group

N E B I O = North East Bigfoot Investigation Organization

N E B R O = North East Bigfoot Research Organization

N E B R G = North East Bigfoot Research Group


David, if you are open to the idea of a completely new name for the group, maybe you could set up another poll and ask people who have expressed interest in joining the group to vote for their choice of a new name? Just a suggestion on my part mind you, you should decide for yourself what you want to do about a name for the group.

Go for it BigDaddy,

Let's poll it, and then we've got to probably do the same for a meeting date to assure the largest attendance.

Fact: Bigfoot is known by every Indian tribe in North America. This being true, what are some of the other Indian (or non-Indian) northeastern names for Bigfoot or Sasquatch? Here are the ones I know of--wood-ape, wood-devil, the pomoola, wejuk, indian-devil, the watchers, the woodman, the wildman of the mountains, old slipperyskin, and the Windigo. Does anyone know of any other northeastern names for the Sasquatch?

I guess I should make this question a separate post...

DTK

Hold up BigDaddy,

Before you post the poll, let me post this question on the board and see if ther are any alternative names for the northeastern Sasquatch so we can come up with some other variations as well.

DTK

Sorry NYB, I thought you were BigDaddy for some reason...(No offense BigDaddy)

I really like some of the combinations you came up with. I'm okay with doing another poll on this. But I'm kind of fond of the "Wood-Ape" title for the Northeastern Sasquatch. It's just my opinion, but I feel it kills the “hoakyness” impression that the names “Bigfoot” and “Sasquatch” sometimes evoke. (Especially in the North East.) “Wood-Ape” sounds much more credible in my opinion. I would like to see the “Wood-Ape” term utilized in some way. But I agree that the Northeastern Wood-Ape Investigation Association (NWIA) is confusing in its abbreviated form. NW does immediately register as NorthWest.

HollywoodActionHero described my thinking exactly. He wrote:

OK, let us proceed logically here.

If we begin with the hypothesis that we are dealing with an animal that is likely to be more closely related to something which has been referred to as the "Asian Wood Ape" than any other known creature, living or extinct, then we can simply substitute the continental connotation, which will give us the name: "North American Wood Ape".

If we want to refer to the animal more specifically based on geographic location on the continent, we now have: "Western North American Wood Ape", "Eastern North American Wood Ape" and so on. Which is becoming quite a mouthful!

Fortunately for us, two of the four words in "North American Wood Ape" begin with vowels, facilitating the nifty little acronym of "NAWA" or "Nawa" (pronounced: nah wah). So now, "Eastern North American Wood Ape" becomes "Eastern Nawa". "Nawa" also has an indigenously dialectal ring to it.

Most importantly, however, I think that "North American Wood Ape" will boost tremendously the seriousness and credibility of the entire subject to which most of us here devote much of our valuable time. Let's face it. When most people hear "Sasquatch", they think Indian legend, "Bigfoot"=someone running around in a costume, big wooden cutout feet, supermarket tabloids and reports from drunken yokels.

The next time you overhear someone talking about "Bigfoot" or "Sasquatch", you can politely join in by saying: "Oh. do you mean the North American Wood Ape?" And after that brief moment of puzzlement, continue by telling them of Gigantopithecus, the Asian Wood Ape, and how a growing number of scientists, academicians and other critical thinkers are coming around to the notion that such an animal does indeed exist and that serious efforts are currently underway to locate and identify this animal once and for all.

NYB, You seem to be quite creative. If we're going to do another poll, do you think you could come up with some variations using the Wood-Ape title too?

Let us know…

David Thomas King

Hi Northeasterners,

No offence taken David, I figured you had me confused with someone else since I never mentioned anything about this matter. But I do have an opinion.

Just my humble opinion here. Out of the names given to these creatures (scientific, slang, local or native) few have the broad recognition of “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch”. I find that when I discuss the subject of these creatures with non-Bigfooters, and I use terms like “Wood-Ape”, I get a response like… “What’s a Wood-Ape?” We must first be understood to be taken seriously.

I think in the long run it would work to our advantage to use a term that will be readily understood by whoever hears it. We will have to gain their interest before we can educate them. I believe that any “hoakyness” that may be invoked by a single word can be overcome by conduct, attitude and uncompromising, professionalism on our parts.

I think the term Wood-Ape can be easily worked into a slogan or motto like the edit I’ve done to David’s sign. (Below)

David, If you chose you would like a poll, just give me the go ahead and I’ll set it up.

Later, Chuck

No problem David, it happens.


I'm sure I could come up with similar names with Wood-Ape in the title but I agree with BigDaddy about the whole Wood-Ape thing. I don't think it would be understood by most of the general public at all. Most people only know these creatures as either Sasquatch or Bigfoot from the many TV shows, movies and stories told about these creatures over the years. They wouldn't have any idea what you were talking about if you mentioned something called a Wood-Ape, or a Windigo, or a Chiye-tanka, or a Rugaru or any other Native American or little known type of name. This is exactly why I suggested this list of new possible names for the group which all include the much more popular and well understood terms of Sasquatch or Bigfoot in the title. It's much easier to use terms that people will see and instantly understand than to have to stop and explain this over and over again to each person who asks, what's a (place your choice of little known word for Bigfoot here)???

This is just my (and apparently BigDaddy's) opinion but it is something to think about while choosing a new name to represent the group. No offense meant in any way to HollywoodActionHero or you David, not trying to step on any toes here, just trying to explain my thought process while I was listing the possible new names for the group.

No offense taken here guys. (I’m virtually “offense proof.”) I actually see advantages and disadvantages to both views so let’s whittle down the list to 10 to 15 names total and include variations of Sasquatch, Bigfoot, and Wood-Ape. Then let’s “poll” it.

My inclusions would be:

North Eastern Wood-Ape Investigation Association (NEWIA)
North Eastern Wood-Ape Research Association (NEWRA)

I believe we should also give the some of the others the chance to offer their suggestions as well. Let’s give everyone till next Friday, midnight (1/14/05) for others to “chime in” and then put the most logical suggestions to a poll.

The subtitle is a pretty good idea too. We definitely need to agree on a subtitle that defines our statement of purpose in one small sentence. (We’ll work on that later)

In the meantime, I’ll be heading down to Hartford, CT in the next two weeks or so to look around for a good meeting location. I believe HollywoodActionHero and ganglian may be interested in going with me.

BigDaddy, if you can find the time, would you mind putting up a poll for the northeastern crew to pick the best day for them to attend the first meeting (M-F)?

I don’t like the delay of having to use all these polls, but I can’t see any other way for this to work out best for everyone.

Best to all,

David Thomas King

As I replied to DTK's PM, I liked Nesra, (NE Sasquatch Research Assoc.) Just my 2 cents

Hello Northeastern SasSearchers,

Besides ganglian & hollywood, I haven't seen any responses to may last PM or post. Is everyone who responded still interested in assembling or have some changed their mind? (I don't wan't to go through all the work of setting up a meeting place in hartford and have everyone change their mind at the last minute.)

Here's my last PM & post:

No offense taken here guys. (I’m virtually “offense proof.”) I actually see advantages and disadvantages to both views so let’s whittle down the list to 10 to 15 names total and include variations of Sasquatch, Bigfoot, and Wood-Ape. Then let’s “poll” it.

My inclusions would be:

North Eastern Wood-Ape Investigation Association (NEWIA)
North Eastern Wood-Ape Research Association (NEWRA)

I believe we should also give the some of the others the chance to offer their suggestions as well. Let’s give everyone till next Friday, midnight (1/14/05) for others to “chime in” and then put the most logical suggestions to a poll.

The subtitle is a pretty good idea too. We definitely need to agree on a subtitle that defines our statement of purpose in one small sentence. (We’ll work on that later)

In the meantime, I’ll be heading down to Hartford, CT in the next two weeks or so to look around for a good meeting location. I believe HollywoodActionHero and ganglian may be interested in going with me.

BigDaddy, if you can find the time, would you mind putting up a poll for the northeastern crew to pick the best day for them to attend the first meeting (M-F)?

I don’t like the delay of having to use all these polls, but I can’t see any other way for this to work out best for everyone.

Best to all,

David Thomas King

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you're all still up to meeting, please post or let me know as I am planning a trip to Hartford for next weekend.

DTK

How about: North East Gigantopithecus Research Organization?

NEGRO?????

Not sure that one will help the cause...

^ What David said!!! :hide:

Again, I voted for Nesra