I didn't find this in search, but I might have missed it. In 1924, the Bronx zoo tested the relative strength of a 165-pound man against a 165-chimpanzee. Using a dynamometer, which measures strength by the force of a pull on a spring, the man was able to pull 210 pounds. The chimp pulled right at 900! Pound for pound the chimpanzees are around 5 times stronger than humans. In fact, a human is no match for a chimpanzee, regardless of it's age or sex. In the same Bronx experiment, a 135-pound female chimp pulled a staggaring 1,260 pounds. Wow just imagine the proportionable strength of an 800-pound chimp. You do the math.

Sorry for the double post. I sent a report to the mods. When I hit submit, it doubled my post. Sorry

I saw clyde whip that guy at arm wrestling at the Palomino club in "Every Which Way But Loose". Proof enougn for me that they are strong.
BSF

The same can be said for just about every none human animal. Take a dog for a walk on a leash and let a rabbit or something run across in front of you. Even a smaller dog it is just shocking how hard they can pull when they want to.

But most animals pound for pound are much stronger then humans are. I would say it is because over the years we have just became lazy as we live a easy life. They have ran test and humans in a emergency can produce some amazing strength when needed. Mothers have been known to lift cars off kids, I have heard of a few different cases of mothers lifting cars off their kids or husbands and other things.
It would be interesting if they could figure out how to harness that added power any time we wanted to. I wonder how the human and chimp would come out then if the human had that boost of power.

yha buttt wee get bigr braiins.


edit: on a side note we also have guns.

micahn,Oct 27 2004, 11:35 PM]

"The same can be said for just about every none human animal. Take a dog for a walk on a leash and let a rabbit or something run across in front of you. Even a smaller dog it is just shocking how hard they can pull when they want to."

Yeah, but dogs have 4-wheel drive!

"But most animals pound for pound are much stronger then humans are. I would say it is because over the years we have just became lazy as we live a easy life. They have ran test and humans in a emergency can produce some amazing strength when needed."

No argument there. My dad taught me that a man (or boy) can generate 10 times the effort most think they are capable of. A nice man he met while at Parris Island whom he affectionately referred to as his DI taught him that. Dad taught me in much the same way as he learned it. Amazing what the application of a little foul language and threat of severe bodily injury will do.

"Mothers have been known to lift cars off kids, I have heard of a few different cases of mothers lifting cars off their kids or husbands and other things."

That's one strong mother! I have heard that also. Does anyone know of any specific documented reports of this happening? It does happen, no doubt. I know, as an Ironworker for so many years, I have seen fear generate much strength a time or two.

"It would be interesting if they could figure out how to harness that added power any time we wanted to. I wonder how the human and chimp would come out then if the human had that boost of power."

I hope my boss doesn't read this forum. He loves to talk about "increasing employee productivity".

Very interesting post, Micahn. I think you are right about humans and comfy living.
BSF

I know for sure that a lot of the time we operate 'with the brakes on' - ie opposing muscles also come into play, to prevent the contracting muscle from generating so much force it actually causes us harm. In times of severe stress, I think these brakes are taken off. In my martial arts training I've discovered how you can get some control over these brakes and turn them off to an extent - not only can you generate surprising strength but speed also.

But more than anything it's down to simple body mechanics. Another thing I've learnt from martial arts is just how important body alignment is - a 'weak' female can be stronger than a 'strong' male if she uses her body correctly.

The difference in body plan between an adult human male and an adult human female is much, much less than the difference between a human and any other primate, and yet look at the strength difference men and women. It's not surprising that apes are much stronger than we are. They regularly hoist themselves effortlessly up trees with their arms.

I wonder what the comparison between a humans legs and an apes arms would turn out like ? Probably much less difference. When I used to work out, it wasn't unusual to push 500kg on leg press, where I would be having a very good day if I got near pressing 100kg with my arms and chest.

...but, yeah. A Bigfoot will be one very strong beast !

Bigger brains don't mean more cunning or give an advantage. An elephant has a much bigger brain than humans but I don't see Simba doing algerbra. On the same note a tiger has a smaller brain than a human but put a human and a tiger together in the jungle and I'll give the advantage to the tiger. Ok, throw a gun in the mix. Does a gun give an advantage? Yes and no. We have a tool to kill with but it doesn't make you stronger, faster or smarter. It would give alot more confidence, maybe more courage but it doesn't give you an edge in the cunning dept. Put together strength, speed, cunning and you have a powerful adversary. Bigger brains and guns don't necessarly mean winner in a conflict. IMO.


*post not: I'm not wanting or trying to turn this into a, "how hard would it be to kill a BF thread," just answearing the commit Jack made.

This isn't documented but, I lived in Lake Tahoe and was driving down a road at Night and a Ford Econoline van was in a ditch to my right and people came out in front of my Land Rover screaming in a way I've never heard before! I stopped and ran to the front of the van with two buddies along with the other people and there was a woman under the right front wheel. She was pinned but not crushed. I freaked!
Myself and the two other guys lifted the the van up enough to get her out. We took her to the emergency hospital and she was ok. The next day I could barely move and my hands where black and blue.

Same thing happened to my husband years ago, a friend was working on his car and my husband was just sitting there talking to him and having a cup of coffee, when he saw the jack give way. He lifted the car alone for about 5-15 seconds and the guy got out. Hubby got a severe hernia.

Funny thing is we were talking about this last night.

There is a large amount of untapped strength within us. I am sure of that. Very interesting experiences, Maheekat and Coco.
BSF

All in all I think if someone goes toe to toe with a full grown sassy they can pretty much count on being planted in the ground up to their ears...

Spoil-sport! I was beginning to consider challanging one to a fist fight.
BSF

Before that happens my untapped power will go into my getaway sticks!

Why that would be lude-e-cris BSF!!!

They say a healthy human can cover 23ft. in 1.3 seconds. How fast could a BF cover this distance? How about 50 ft.?

If fighting something much stronger, you have to use that one area where we excel over everything else... (well most of us anyways...) The brain. Does a chimp or sasquatch know to kick someone in the pills for an immediate result? I think not. If I ever had to tango with one, I'd kick him where it counts and make a quick escape only to laugh about it for years to come.

*wakes up from dreaming about the odds of this actually happening*

Eth:
It would be a good idea to have photographs before someone were to share an experience like that in THIS forum. I like the idea though. It may just drop him like a big dog, and raise his voice 12 or 9 octaves. Bet he would be watching for that one the next time, though.
BSF

Great, now I have this mental picture of sassy on his knees, eyes bulging yet having the voice of that 70's entertainer "Tiny Tim"... :pinch:

The thing about pain is, while it can be debilitating, it can also have the opposite effect by monumentally pissing it off. As for the hidden strengths we have, it's simple adrenaline as well as pain tolerance. Much of what we don't do isn't because we're too weak, it's because it would hurt us. Case in point, the posters who mentioned bruised hands and hernias. The people in those incidents obviously have the strength to do it, but in normal life it hurts, so they don't do it. In an emergency, though, adrenaline kicks in. Not only does it increase strength, it decreases felt pain.

You are right, Guy, my husband heard the tissues tearing in his lower abdomen and he knew exactly what was happening but he didn't feel pain instantly. BTW, my husband is tall and thin and not really strong but he is ahtletic.

I saw an adult Gorilla at the Washington zoo VERY casually pick up a truck tire (like from a big construction site truck) and pull it apart, twist it, stretch it, etc. like a rubber band. The Gorilla was just sort of sitting there and was probably using just a fraction of its strength. Was really scary when you think about it. That thing was strong!

Carlie

If kicking him in the b*lls didnt work you could always resort to tickling. This is one instance where their large feet pose a serious disadvantage to them.

On a related note, has anyone seen that clip of a chimp that was on some talk show, got really mad, and picked up a huge couch and threw it into the audience? Needless to say that left a mark on several unfortunate people in the front row. It was pretty amazing.

Side note: Avoid sitting in the front row of any show where monkeys and furniture are present.

In the movie Harry and the Henderson's (One of my favorite movies about bigfoot lol) they do kick him in that so hurtfully spot. He does scrunch up in pain for a few sec then turns very mad and goes after the guy who done it to ripe his head off lol. Luckily in the movie they did not have him do that as someone stepped in to stop it but the point I am getting at is it did not work out all that well for the guy.

We really have no clue what would happen if a Bigfoot is kicking in that spot or anything else. Sure it might hurt it like it does us human males but who can say how much ? For all we know it may do nothing more then piss it off and it do a lot more damage to the human then it would have before.

I for one would say playing dead like with some bear attacks would be the way to go. It all would depend on what was happening and all but I think that might be the best way to go.

I have an old natural history book from the mid 1950's that tells of the strength of Orangutans: they have been known to take a crocodile by the mouth and rip it apart. In the same book it refers to Mountain Gorillas showing no agitation at the presence of a Leopard in their midst! And the Leopard didn't take any liberties with them!

What we need is a few cases studies on primates. I propose that one of you kicks in the groin a lemur, a chimp, an orang, and a gorilla. That should give us a good range of results that we could extrapolate to the male sasquatch.

If he looks like this... ...you did it right!

Not me though; I'm an armchair researcher only.

I got the lemur. I need two volunteers to hold him for me. Maybe we should wrap him in duct tape first, so's he doesn't explode when I connect. Could get messy.
BSF

Where? Oh Where, did my thread on relative strength turn into a primate nut-kicking discussion? Man your gone for just a little while....... and BSF wackin' a lemur in the nads. :doh:

I hear you, Mike. Where oh where do I get these sick notions, anyway? \
BSF

I don't know my friend, but kicking a lemur in the nads while someone is holding it is one thing....duct taping it and kicking it. Now thats sick!










*somewhere a person with PETA says, "I know they aint talkin' bout that!"*

Chimps and humans are so closely related, I think the strength of Chimps is really amazing. Chimps live in a habitat where they have moved away from their supposedly previous upright locomotion to knuckle walking. The knuckle walking is useful because the animal can move through the forest undergrowth at a speed that no human could match. The Chimp arms are used in conjunction with the legs in locomotion and the arms are used extensively in climbing and moving through trees. Consequently chimps have huge powerful hands and arms. I remember seeing a gorilla up close and it was astonishing how very large its hands (and head) was. Humans are very well adapted to persistence hunting and although we are not strong as a chimp, I will bet that a well conditioned athlete or a Bushman could out distance a chimp in the open and in the heat. Having huge arms and great strength comes at a cost. Our ancestor walked down a different path in an evolutionary sense.

Like the one guy said. It would be interesting to see how humans legs and Apes arms measure up against each other. Get a good power lifter type of person that has some very strong legs and they just might be able to life more then a ape could with their arms.

So maybe that Russian tale I quoted awhile back about an avdoshki pulling apart a grizzly by its hind legs isn't so mythical after all.

So who's gonna teach me when man went from hunting/gathering to tilling?

How did that happen?

Why did it happen?

Why isn't sasquatch included?

Why did "we" go beyond the wild while sasquatch stayed wild?

Who is the wiser of the two?

Thousands of years later, with "you" being the "wiser", now what?

Are you happy?

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Now there are some good questions that seldom, if ever, are addressed!
Too many assumptions are made in these areas.

I was going to suggest that Bipto gets a second URl called 'employeeproductivityonline.com' or something just in case someone checks your browsing history

Let me pull out a calculator...

1,260
135

For each pound it weighs it can pull 9 1/3 lbs
so 900 • 9.3 = 8,270
HOLD ME!
Even as an estimation that's scary!

Great idea! Or how's about adding a PANIC BUTTON like some game sites have. You click on it and an Excel Spreadsheet pops up.

THis is probably kinda pointless posting this cause this thread's old....but I'll do it anyways....just for the heck of it.....

About 'kicking em where it counts'...that doesnt work on everyone or everything (Monks train so it doesnt effect them....plus if it's a lady BF...then well...you know)

As far as strength goes, I heard on a documentary about primate strength that a orangutan can crush a human skull as easily as we can crush a grape....

I have, somewhere in my vast collection of books, an artical about human/animal advantages....granted that the book is about 30 years old (so the information might be out of date) It said that they trained a chimp to lift weights. it easily lifted over 800lbs....

There's been a few times in my life where I forgot what was possible and just did it anyway. For example my minivan weighs near 3000lbs empty, 2/3 of that is on the front wheels. In this situation it was also on a 10 degree or so downhill slope, so even more of the weight was on the front. I was trying to rotate the tires for the first time, so I try loosening the lug nuts first of course, on the front tire, on the downhill end, they won't budge, stand on the lug wrench, bounce on it, won't budge, use 3ft cheater, stuck, bounce on 3ft cheater, stuck, jack it up on the cheater, bounce on the van, stuck, drop it down again ... get totally apesh!t mad with it, haul up on the cheater with more strength than I theoretically possess (Having momentarily forgotten what's possible) and the front of the van jumps 1 ft in the air and 1 ft to the left, and I jump back amazed just in time for it to miss my staggering foot on the rebound as it bounced back. So now I'm just blinking, staring at it, thinking "That didn't just happen!". So I'm a total believer in humans having more strength and reserves than we normally use.

And btw, if I ever get into fisticuffs with anything big and powerful, I'm gonna try for punching the heel of my hand to it's nose. If you're in close, could also try stomping the instep, gouging eyes, etc, bugger fighting fair.

Maybe it has something to do with humans having the power of reasoning and a wild animal does not and there brain has no limit switch when dealing with brute strength so they don't really know there own strength plus we are lazy by nature.