I just completed a search of this video on the BFF. Not much has been discussed about it. Anyone have comments on it. There are a few sites where one can view it:

http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/bf_redwds.html

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/films/redwoodsfilm.htm

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_article.asp?id=93

I have noticed a few things about it and wondered what other people have seen in it.

Shot under highly suspicious circumstances, (not unlike the Patterson film) that there was an agenda.

For the Playboy film the agenda was to promote the film (a spot on Leno for a film that there is no way that would get that kind of exposure).

Now the fact that the film maker decided on a Bigfoot hoax as a stunt did show a lot of imagination. It would be interesting to see if anyone associated with the film had any connection to the Bigfoot community.

I won't even comment about the suggestion that Sasquatch genitalia is displayed.

From the Real Player video (really, why even bother with that crap?) there is no way to see anything even remotely resembling evidence.

Have to work on it.

Not quite ready for prime time yet.

I'd like to snoop around a little on the possibility that Orygun brought up: Does anyone know the names of the witnesses or cameraman? I'd like to dig into their backgrounds and see if we can connect them to BF related persons prior to the event.

check out the bottom link...to the article about it...
I remember thinking that the bottom of the leg looked like a baggy pant leg of a costume...but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it just looks like that.

It is shown on a Mysterious Encounters episode....from what I remember...parts of it are.
I'll have to go check it out. It's intriguing. The genitalia thread (General Discussion)has an interesting gif by Primateer.

Is it wrong that I'm afraid to look?

When the film subject moves behind the tree, the foot flex is rather interesting ....

Let's just say there are some things even ol' M.K. can't find in the P/G film!

Actually, that's a joke. I don't recall the genitalia thread...

Oh man, you forgot this thread?



http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=2722

Shocking, isn't it?

Steve,

you look at the witnesses and cameraman. I'll dig into that playmates background and figure out her "agenda"


Official womanizer of the BFF. (The things I do for kingdom and country).

Looks pretty "iffy" but that's from a crappy internet version. I haven't seen a good video copy. Overall, the thing's appearence reminds me of Cookie Monster, with a baggy look to the 'skin.' But that might be due to the low resolution of the web video. The floppy thing is reflective, and reminds me more of a dead fish than a semi-erect primate penis. Even monkey penises are pretty rigid when partly erect.
The lame commentary doesn't help much either: "It's a fu-----Sasquatch!"
Sounds like something off a bad sci-fi movie playing at 2:00 in the morning.
Just my thoughts.

I will be discussing this more at the Texas conference.

Cool interpretation, DDA.
The head to me always looked like a guy with a ball cap on with the hood of a jacket pulled up over the cap. Gives the peaked skull appearence plus the "brow ridge" courtesy of the hood of the jacket and bill of the cap.
"I want to believe" but I just can't with this film...at least the versions I've seen of it.

Very interesting work, Rick. I had heard elsewhere that the "penis" was actually a piece of grass; I would have never thought it to be a drawstring. When it was examined by Dr. Jeff Meldrum on "Mysterious Encounters", he said it was questionable and a possible hoax. Keep up the good work, Rick.

Before the subject moves off the road, up behind the tree, where we only see a foot being lifted out of the headlights, shows what might be that strap on the foot having torn and thus dangling beneath the foot.

I have a copy of the enhanched footage and to me it seems like the guy is having a hard time seeing while walking in the costume, almost seems like a drunk trying to keep his balance. Costume wise i think Freemans is much better. I can also clearly see shoes in the redwood footage. I have always said this one is a fake, but you have to remember that i had a up close sighting of two bigfoots so i think I might have an advantage on seeing differneces. Meldrum and I have disagreed over this video, guess he went to the sight and took mesurments, still im not convinced at all with this one.

Yea, I remember that thread.............I started it way back when I was a youngin

I think Meldrum said that the film subject was 7 or 8 ft tall, didn't he?

Also, I think Scott Herriot also ivestigated this claim and seems to think that he knows who might have pulled the stunt (I think he said that...)

What ever came of this...specifically, what did DDA say about it at the TBRC conference in Oct?

With so much going on, I didn't get a chance to talk about it. I brought a DVD to show seperately from my talk and discuss what was on it but we didn't get the chance. I think next year will allow more time for things like this. I wanted to discuss the video aspect of Bigfoot research using several different videos... this was but one of them.

great. Thanks for the update. I was just curious. I think the torn strap and the shoe outline give me a good indication of where it's at.

DDA, that was a great job finding the bent-drawstring thing, which is obviously no genital. And your outlines look right also. I would consider that video a dead issue after your display.

Did I just say display..

So first the Snow Walker, now this...nothing personal, but how credible should Jeff Meldrum's work be considered now that two videos he's authoritatively given thumbs-up to appear to have been rather easy-to-reveal hoaxes?
Doesn't exactly fill one with confidence, does it?

Didn't they all get horn-swoggled once or twice? Seems there was just a thread about Grover Krantz championing a footprint that was faked as "the best one ever."

I think the point they ought to take on it is to not jump on stuff before it's gone over with a fine toothed comb. I don't remember the snow walker footage, but the Redwoods footage, I could *never* be sure of what I was seeing in it. The quality was so low.

Ah.. at least we'll always have Patty.. speaking of which, I just noticed that her hands hang at about the same spot mine do. I thought they were supposed to reach closer to the knees?

BFRO media page



The Snow Walker stuff is halfway down the media page on the BFRO. It's already been stated a very, very long time ago of Meldrum's acknowdledgement that the video was hoaxed. As for the Redwoods footage, I really would like DDA to elaborate more.

How so?

Sorry Rick, I apologize for not being more specific. You said that you weren't able to get around to discussing this at the TBRC conference either, and I was just wondering if you might be able to add more here about what you were going to say and found out with your analysis of the video.

I thought that anything you had to say might once and for all put this video "to bed" so to speak. The gif that you provided here does say alot though...thanks.

Edited because I no speaka da english too good tonite!

Well, I cannot speak for the people involved since all I have is their video, from start to finish of course but it does look like a couple of manufactured artifacts on the video of the purported creature. I am still working with the video because there are actually three spots of interest. Then there is the actual height as measured by Jeff in a daylight picture.

I was just going to use all the video's that I have been working with to help tell a story of how people can do it better next time.

For what is is worth - I see that 'Redwoods footage' as a poorly done hoax. I was suprised when Jeff Meldrum told me that it may be authentic. The fur extending so far out in front of the foot was a giveaway IMO. It is true that some apes have a lot of loose hair in places on them and it will flop around, but this alleged creature wasn't moving fast enough to have thrown its fur so far forward over the food in my opinion. The foot even looked like the one Plillip Morris makes. The measurements Meldrum can only be considered if certain rules of perspective were implimented. I have a feeling they may not have been, but in all fairness I wasn't there when they took them.