Here's a link to a purported sighting by military personnel-you may or may not find of interestSighting link

HOLY SHIAT!


Nice.

I better count this guy in my small group of people that I would bet on vs sassy. The other is a hs friend and now ex-army ranger.

The sighting was actually reported to The Bigfoot Information Society. They have a nice database of sightings, though I dont like the way they are catalogued.

They do have a credibility rating, to see what the reader thinks about the veracity of the report. out of 5 "feet," this story got 3 1/2 feet. That's not the first story I have heard out of Fort Lewis. A former Army grunt recently told me that he was standing firewatch over his unit's encampment, with the order to pop a flare every 30. On his second flare, he said he saw a large dark figure duck into the brush, but couldnt be sure as to what it was. He, too, had heard other stories from other grunts about "Bigfoot" in Ft. Lewis.

That's bold! Going after a Bigfoot at night, with a k-bar, and alone, requires a level of self-confidence, or a death wish. These guys are pretty highly trained, and in excellent physical shape. My best friend as a kid became a SEAL when we went into the navy, and I could imagine him doing something like that. "Wish I'd skinned it" kind of illustrates their confidence in their ability to complete what they start out to do. Wonder if the report is true?

Has anyone heard anymore about a BFRO report down in the south where a team went in to protect a crashed chopper and had a most delightful experience. The last that i had heard they were trying to locate anyone that had been on the team.

that is the last I heard too..
Great story though!

It is an interesting story and who knows how true it is. However, I do have a problem with a couple of things. The writer of the story claims he's an officer. However, throughout the story he repeatedly misspells words. I know this is really being nitpicky, but after reading many officer's reports in the military for 20 years, I can tell you, they don't make spelling errors such as that. Every officer's report I've ever read was written very well. No spelling or punctuation errors at all. This report just tells me it's not what it's made out to be. Maybe he's embellishing the story a bit. Maybe he really wasn't the OIC, maybe he was just a regular grunt..hard to say. Or, maybe Army officers aren't as well educated as the other services(I don't want to get into a pissing match with the other services though).
I just don't buy the story 100%.

Uffda

Well I noticed the spelling too, and i wish I could say that I agreed with you on your statement of how officers don't misspell. I have read the writings of Officers in all the branches, confirmed as such, and many had the proficiency of our writer here.

The thing that made me wonder was why in the heck was an officer on point? I may be wrong about today's military but in my day, even with force recon, the enlisteds went in front.

I think its BS.

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Especially the Officer In Charge. The OIC wouldn't be the one to [do the killin']. I too think it's a BS story.

I can tell you honestly that I spent twenty years in soldier boots and even though I was a reservist that story requires hip boots to get through.

1) Was he a Ranger, LRRP, or SF? He describes himself as all of the above. He describes the team as 12 members so that would spell SF A-team to me as a guess. Very professional organization Army Special Forces, though as noted he is not very articulate and does not come across as a professional. I was a trainer for OCS at one time. They get giged for spelling I'm sure.

2) As some one already pointed out a team leader/OIC, especially in an elite unit is not going to be walking point and taking out sentries. His job is to maintain command and control of his unit not risk himself taking down a sentry. Definite red flag.

3) He also mentions that he was wearing an army issue ghillie suit. I graduated from sniper school and like everyone else I made my own ghillie suit. To the best of my knowledge the army does not issue ghillie suits.

4) Further more regarding his stripping off his ghillie suit while running full speed is literally impossible. :doh:

5) Once again why would the OIC run off, leave his troops, and then go on a tangent during an SF exercise when he should be rallying his unit. Not likely at all.

What you have there is a BS story from a yahoo/wannabe IMHO

Good points Paul! I am a Jarhead so I had no idea how the heck the Army does things, and couldnt make a judgement, except about the officer on point thing. The ghillie suit thing should have struck me as odd as well but I missed that one.

Perhaps a polite email from a former Army grunt, explaining the problems with the story might be in order. I think we should point out obvious tall tales like this to sites hosting them.

If you read down several posts after the original, you will see several other SF soldiers tear his story up.

Probably not true - too many holes.

Good read though.

Paul R, (and the rest of you military guys) thanks for jumping in and explaining some of this stuff. I read the original post by the guy, then read the follow up posts. Frankly, all those "initials" gave me a headache.

The SF and the OIC and the OCS and the others made my head go.... . I'm glad we have some people who know how the military operates and who can decypher all these things.

Thanks for pointing that out about the comments later on.
There were some good jokes in it.

But I have to say it is definitely a fabrication by someone with a Rambo fantasy. No doubt in my mind.
I am actually surprised though that more stories don't come from military people especially from Yakima and Ft. Lewis. I wouldn't doubt that official reports would not be made while in the service for fear of ridicule and damage to one's career.

OCS= officer candidate school ; sort of like officer basic except that it is high stress and designed to weed out those unfit to command. my job was to create stress in the candidates

OIC= officer in charge

SF= special forces; green berets

The army loves acronyms as much as they like changing them as soon as you get it figured out.

It was that SF one that threw me for a loop. Some guy who posted after the original poster said that nobody in the military would ever post it as S/F. Ah, the military....a whole different world.

Here are a couple of links to reports that, in my opinion, reflect real soldiers and real special forces soldiers giving a plausible report.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1258

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=6486

The second report, regarding the SF people, was at least written by someone familliar with how SF and the army in general operates. Right down to the senior non commissioned officer, the team sergeant acting as "the voice of reason" to his captain.

Wether true or not these are at least believable.

The the story your talking about, The Bigfoot tried to drag the dead bodies away during the night from the crashed chopper. The ended up firing off a bunch of blanks I think it was as well as flares to scare the animals off if I remember right.

The report that your talking about has been talked about a few times over the years here as well as other Bigfoot related forums.

Went to find it for you and all. They even include pictures of the crash site and all.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=2393

michan,
Thanks for that link. It was very interesting.

I was not shocked at all about the soldiers having their own ammo. Though strictly against regulations it is very consistent with my own experience. Likewise it is also believable to me that they would form a "code of silence" about the alleged BF incident. Soldiers are very good about avoiding unnessicary complications and explainations. The military being very complicated and regulated as it is.

I don't know if the bigfoot story is Bravo Sierra or not, but I know better than to imagine I know what SF personnel (commissioned, non-comm, or enlisted) do or don't do.

My experience is that they do damned near any and everything. Indeed, the more bizarre and impossible is what they like.

My wife's cousin was a Seal (one of the founding officers of Team 2, when they transitioned from UDT to Seal). One of his many stories was a bit more than I could take. Lo and behold, I got the story about this very act from a published book.

One never knows.

I read the report, but I find it not very credible. The guy can't get his military facts straight, so how reliable is the report? Security officers stay with the Tactical Operation Centers on the battlefield, not out actively engaging enemy, and security officers are S-2 not S-1 in the military office designations. Someone has seen too many movies. :rolleyes:

I'm just a mechanic in the nasty gaurd, but it was suspicous to me that he said he had a senior nco, but did not refer to him as a ncoic (non commissioned officer in charge) . He used all the other lingo but neglected to use it here. I enjoyed reading it. I often wonder if a well trained team could capture a sqautch, or would they end up being hunted themselves. I guess the problem with that is that we don't know where to find them consistantly, we don't know if they travel great distances or if they have a yard, we don't know how many of them you'll be in contact with at once. Just not enough known right now.

I spent my time in the military, that story came off like a Tom Clancy novel from the start, total BS IMO.

Fascinating, or not so, that the Army put a lid on the story.

The Army puts lids on ALL stories.

How would we know if the Army put a lid on the story? It's much easier to say the Army put a lid on the story than to say it never happened to begin with.

this person is probalbly some pac clerk that is living out his fantasy world on the forum, someone already mentioned this but military issued ghile suit what a **cking moron!

PAC wouldnt doubt it.

I met a guy who claimed to be a "special forces ranger." I about kicked his ass. Then I coined him and he had no clue what was going on.

Now if he mentioned buttpack, pickle suit, fartsack, mickey mouse boots, MOPP gear, pro mask and other terms, then it may be a little more credible.


I wonder if some of those above terms are still used?

yeah they are SH,all terminology the same, except maybe Pickle suit? have not heard that one before. let me know what it is, rain gear?

Nighthunter, did you check out the vets photo album? You should add to it. We need some new blood in there other than us has beens. Maybe you and a sweet stryker?

Not only is the spelling bad for an officer, hell it's bad for a 4th grader. If you can't spell "thought" and "probably", you need to take the short bus back to grade school. And why do all these reports from 'military' personnel have to point out how BIG they are, and brag about how great they are. Most of the people I've met who were special forces, which is not many, they all were very down to earth and never bragged.

Yes I realize this topic is close to 3 years old.

Well as a Marine Recon that did encounter one of these things, it sounds like a wannabe talking, I have caught a few on line and in person SEAL SF and Recon Wannabes. One the Gullie thing is BS.

In defense of the author though, a lot of SF guys a recruited from the Rangers to go to the SF.

Any resonsible officer would have gotten the men out of the area if they saw a 8 foot animal in the woods and they had no ammo. This guy is a bad officer or a liar.

When I saw mine the last thing I thought of doing was going after it with a knife. imagine it as tall as Bart the bear with wider shoulders







My reaction was like that of many people, it suprised the poopies out of me. The only thing about being a Recon SF or such is that because you move through the woods alot your more likely to encounter these things.

Squatch C., what do you think about my statement above, about how real seals or rangers ect, never brag?? The few I've met didn't tell me they were S.F. or even in the military. Someone else had to tell me. . .I walked into my favorite bar a while back & sat down. The drunk next to me says "look at this!" at held a ring with his fist attached that said Navy Seal. He then preceded to brag up a storm. I looked at him and said no way you're a Seal. Of course he argued, yada, yada, yada. Anyways, after he left, the bartender told me he was never in the military, and had just gotten out of prison. . .The point to the story being, when he started to brag, or just the fact he showed me the ring (a complete stranger), I knew he was lying.

Sgt. Dan I know you are a large man and the author of this story claimed to be pretty big, but I am told most SEALS or SF guys are avg height because big guys have stamina issues. I work out with a former SEAL, (as far as I know). He's my size, about 5'9" 190#, but put together a bit differently, if you know what I mean. He is like most Military professionals I've met, low key, to the point, doesn't brag, but isn't shy about his service. Most of them are proud of it and deservedly so.

I think Military guys probably do run into BF's during training because even hunters don't practice crawling silently through the brush 3" at a time. I'm sure BF isn't used to us approaching that way, and probably gets a bit unnerved by it.

You asked SquatchCommando this??!!!???




I can't wait for his response.

Lol, well maybe they only brag online.

I know that's not true. Special Forces brag big time, and they have plenty to brag about.

If you're one they brag to, you have to take it with a grain of salt. I do.

But they have a remarkable record with me. As information becomes declassified, I find that their outlandish stories were very, very true.

And I've heard some outlandish stories..........way more wild than sasquatch reports............

Actually, it gets kinda' scary.......



Yup. That's rampant.

But when you confirm that the individual was indeed SF, you'd better reconsider the story, however wild.

It was likely real close to being the truth........

Really??? Well, like I said I've only met a few. My Boy Scout leader (yrs & yrs ago) was a former Green Beret, and I only heard him talk about this once (being a Green Beret). . .yes, I'd say they have PLENTY to brag about if they wanted. They are an entirely different breed, and I appreciate & respect what they do for us, braggart or not.

My wife's cousin is married to an influencial Seal. He was one of the founding officers. You'd never know it.

He drinks like a fish (but hasn't drunk me under the table yet......) He's short (always has been). Now he's rather portly (his shortness contributes to that appearance).

But I can attest that he's the real thing.

He brought Rudy Boesch to my house (here in Alaska) well before Rudy became known from the "Survivor" show. (Rudy was his NCO, and "saved his life" at one point - I still haven't gotten that story, but I'm sure it was the Cuban Missile Crises.........)

I've seen his medals, decorations, plaques, etc. I've seen the "trophys" from Vietnam. I know of his reunions.

You'd be surprised............

"You'd be surprised............ "

I rather doubt that I would.

You are pretty close to being accurate.

Navy SEAL

You're a Seal. You know.



Close is good enough if you're tossing grenades or nukes........

I had a friend who had been a Ranger. He didn't exactly brag about it, but if you put a few beers in him he would talk. One afternoon, we were at our favorite pub, and he pulled some cards out of his pocket. They were the ID cards of all the Iraqis he had killed in Gulf War I. There were about 20 of them, as I recall. He said he would have been court-martialed if he had been caught with them (apparently it was a violation of some international law or treaty to take a fallen soldier's ID card).

Tell us a little about yourself N.S., that is if you don't mind. I'm sure just about everyone here would like a little background on an American Hero.

So are we to assume none of this is true? The thermal image of Sas would be very helpful in expeditions. Are the Sas picked up thermally? I have not heard definate proof if they are or not.

Why wouldn't an animal be picked up by thermal imaging? I thought any living creature could be seen thermally.

Sujen

Polar bears are hard to pick up on a thermo due to their coats.At the detroit zoo I had talked one of the polar bear keepers their who was answering questions people had to ask about the polar bears .They had a exibit that explained how they tracked the polar bears in the wild .They also had some thermo Eqiepment and she explained that in the wild with the thermo's the only thing that one can see is their nose,so they would look for these spects on their thermo.Polar bears are well insulated and their coats retain their heat very well.So who is to say that A Sas does not have this feature in the winter times of year.The only way that we will ever learn about these creatures is to either capture or kill one of these creatures that can be studied.Foot castings,photo's or any other evidence realy means nothing until we have an actual creature that can be studied.
Mark A

Thanks, Julio! I learn something new everyday here!

1) A thermal image of a creature on the forest floor in a thick forest of big trees with a tall canopy is almost impossible to capture from the air

2) A thermal image isn't well defined.......it might be a sasquatch, a moose, or a bear