I have been a little reluctant to post this encounter for a number of reasons:
1). I reported it to the TBRC some time ago, and have not heard back as yet.
2). I am not at all sure it was a bigfoot encounter.
3). I feel it might somehow lessen the credibility of an earlier encounter, posted on this forum already (Bigfoot Chainsaw Massacre).

Was not much of an encounter anyway, but here goes (condensed version, with I believe all pertinent info included):

I was deer hunting in the big thicket of East Texas last Nov. Near dark, I was in a clump of pines at the edge of a small field, and I heard what sounded like a tree or large limb being broken. Distance was maybe 300 yards. Visibility in this area is about 10-20 yards at eye level once you step into the woods, due to heavy underbrush.

I later heard a mumbling sound, sort of like a human chattering or whispering, but it seemed pretty loud and clean, and NO words were distinguishable. After 10-20 minutes of quietly listening, I said: Who's there?". No reply, the sound stopped for 10 minutes. Then it started again. It seemed almost human, but not quite. Seemed to change pitch also. The source moved, but I took it to be one individual, changing position. Not sure about that. After another 20 minutes or so, I decided to see who or what it was making the sounds. By now it was dark, so I turned on my flashlight, and went into the woods after the sound. It would stop, then start again, and seemed to maintain it's distance.

I never found the source of the sound or of the broken limb sound, but i did find a 20' area of grass that was flattened, like a bedding area. I left a calling card (Urinated), and left. Next day, I found no tracks, but the ground was hard, dry. No sign, save deer and hog sign closer to a nearby creek.

My question is: Has anyone ever heard of a Sasquatch or any other critter, making a sound anything like I described? I was directed (from the chatroom here) to a site to hear a sound called "Biggie.wav", and it was nothing like what I heard. I do not scare easily, but would probably not have went in the thicket after the source of the sound, were I less heavily armed.

This event led me to rethink my earlier encounter described in another thread, years earlier, and eventually led to me reporting it.

NOTE: I do not claim this to be a sasquatch encounter. I have no idea what the source of the sounds were, but can't imagine a human trying to freak out a lone hunter at night in the woods with a big rifle and big handgun. I had absolutely no alcohol in my system, do not use drugs (rarely even use aspirin), and do not hear things.

Three things. First, yes, that kind of vocalization has been reported, most famously on the Sierra Sounds CD. Two, that was, IMO, well reported. Three, how many more of these do you have in your back pocket?

Bipto:
I would like to hear those sounds, or a good description of them. Can you help with that?
I have spent a lot of time in the woods, for a working man. The two experiences I have described are the only ones I might attribute to bigfoot. Actually, the one I reported above, I have eluded to in the previous thread, I believe. It would seem quite odd to me that I would have an encounter in No. Ca, and then another in TX, over a thousand miles away, if I could attribute the second to Bigfoot with any certainty. I have never heard of a bigfoot making this kind of sound.
If you ever hear another report of an encounter from me, it will have occured after today. Not expecting any though. But I do return to that site from time to time. Nada so far. I did find a hair also at this site. It is black, and was found in brush at about eye level 5'6"). Looks like a boar hair to me, but the height at which it was found is odd. Lot of hogs there. Who knows? Never seen a sasquatch hair close up.

That particular area of Texas has had a lot of encounters and events that are Sasquatch related. Can you PM me with specific directions like nearest town or road? Im planning a research trip to that area and would like to know more.

I'd need to hear it to be sure, but that biggie.wav file sounds like it could have come from Sierra Sounds. Got a link? You can learn more about the CDs here: http://www.bigfootsounds.com/

Bipto:
Yes, that is the one I heard. Much more monkey-like than what I heard. It didn't sound excited, like that one either. It changed pitch, but never enything I took as alarmed or threatening.
Pulltab, I will get back to you in PM in a few.

BigStinkyfoot, there is a sound file called the "ohio talker", found HERE that may interest you.
More "human" than that sound..and I know someone who has heard a very similar sound to this.

Nightwing:
Thank you. That is it! If you take off the smit-init, and repeat it over and over, changing the order of the syllables, It would be it exactly. No part of the speech I heard was accented quite as much as the last two syllables in the recording (SMIT-INIT), but there was definate variation in tone and pitch.

Bipto, thank you for the advice, I took it.

I know of at least one other person who has heard that sound or something very much like it.

While on the Skookum Expedition, Dan Searle, Matt Moneymaker and myself heard something like it. Colobus called it Syllable Whispering and told me that back in the covered wagon days, plains crossers would mention it and if it was heard at night around a campfire that there be witches and demons about.

this is one of the stranger aspects of the topic, that's for sure!

To hear the person Nightwing's talking about tell the story, and try and mimic what he heard, is really something. It's fascinating and very creepy all at the same time. I really, truly believe that he heard what he heard, so therefore, I have to believe that they are indeed capable of at least producing sounds like this, whether there's any meaning or conscious thought behind them or not.

I would have to say that the vocalizations, both what we have reported here and what others have heard (howling, whistling etc.) are all forms of communication in some form or fashion. Maybe its a warning, maybe its territorial, maybe its for mating. That said, Im also certain that a lot of the sounds folks hear are mis-identified animals. However, Im familiar with Texas and what Bigstinkyfoot described and what I heard on the link provided by Nightwing, is not anything Ive ever heard. Its hard to say what exactly he heard because we werent there, but given the other details, it sounds very intriguing.

The person I believe Stacy and Nightwing are talking about is me. What you are describing is very similar to what I heard. I would not classify what I heard as a mumble just because it sounded clear and articulate, not mushed together (but at the same time I can not think of a better term to describe it). Like you said, it was more or less a seemingly random set of syllables put together. Unlike yours, what I heard did not sound like a whisper. There was also moderate inflection. The total vocalization length was 2-3 seconds.

RM:
Probably Whisper is not a good description. It was very clearly audible, but did seem to have some sort of "hushed" quality to it, like the one in the "Ohio Talker" recording. Each individual burst probably lasted 5-10 seconds, but were linked together by short pauses, and went on almost continuously. I heard maybe an hour of chatter, total.
I have never sen a Bigfoot track, but now carry a 35 mm. camera with me when in the woods. I also have started carrying a small box of plaster of paris to take a casting if I ever do see a track.

OK, this might be impossible to answer, but do either of you (DDA, too, I guess) feel that the vocalization was directed at you, specifically?

That IS hard to answer. If I had to venture a guess, I would say the communication or chatter was definately caused by my presence, but probably directed toward another bigfoot (assuming that is what made the sounds). I must add that this is nothing more than a feeling, and I do not feel at all certain about it. It did stop everytime I did something like speak or move, but it would resume in short order.

Edited to include the phrase "(assuming that is what made the sounds)"

Yeah, I'm not sure you'd be able to answer that question with anything other than a gut feel.

I suppose this kind of vocalization, whatever the source, is the root of the 'bigfoot language' speculation. Does anyone know if the human 'voice system' (larynx, tounge, pallet, etc) is significantly more advanced in it's structure than other primates? I'm wondering if another primate with similarly structured 'voice system' would make vocalizations that sounded like speech but would otherwise just be gibberish. Or does it follow that ours is as well developed as it is because of speech and that it wouldn't be structured as it is without brains able to produce speech? Hmm. Chicken or egg...?

I would like to carry some means of recording the sounds if I ever hear anything unusual again. I am new to Photography, but feel I have picked it up quite well. I do have a small mini-recorder that I used while in college. Is that sufficient, or is something more elaborate (expensive) required? Any other ideas what else I should carry? (within reasonable limits of weight and size). I do have a GPS. I will go to the Equipment section when I have the time, and look at old threads for ideas, but my time is a little limited for actively searching. Most of my time on this site is with me away from the keyboard, taking care of other matters, and checking the monitor as often as possible.

One thing I have been thinking about is why I was not threatened or run off by the bigfoot, or whatever it was. I have also been reading the thread about fear being sensed. I think this might be connected. I never felt malice toward the maker of the sounds, nor great fear. More curiosity than anything. Maybe it sensed that.

As a kid, my father delighted in putting me in positions where I was scared out of my wits. After a while, I became pretty nonchalant about "life or death" situations. I have been in several situations where I was pretty sure I would die, but also took it sort of passively (emotionally). Hanging steel for 15 years, I was constantly pumped with adrenaline. Maybe this has helped me handle it better. When threatened, I somehow feel solid inside, like I will prevail or parish, but likely prevail. Several others have commented on my seeming serenity in very scary situations through the years.

RabidMonkey, is there a thread or site where I could learn more about your encounter with the "talker"? The more I learn about this, the more interesting it all gets. Was I in any danger? I felt the definite flush of excitement that comes from doing something on the edge, but never imminent danger or death. Maybe you could message me with some details? If not, I do understand. It is very difficult to decide whether to talk about these things. Definately against the grain to do so in a Forum that is public.

i have one report where a sasquatch was heard while coming through the brush.....making a " throaty humming sound".......the animal was seen by about a dozen people(including some teens) as it passed between a jeep and a house under construction.........

BFRO has a terrifying report of a camper being circled all night by something that said Marc Roc Roc in a gravely voice. ( The campers name was Mark) The only thing he could come up with was that the being watched him as he and his friend were setting up camp earlier that day and calling out each others name. It heard this and repeated his name with ramblings, not knowing it was his name, necessarily. Not sure of the report # , have to check it out.

:willies: :willies: :willies:

Now THAT would be freaky! :hide:

That would be very uncool :help:

oh look, i just crapped my pants at work!


This thread gave me the chills.

I has read a lot of these encounters, with the vocals, and all, and some times, like in Bigstinky, case, I would not Put it past BF to be trying to bait you. As in trying to get you to follow them i do think that they are cappable of setting a trap.

If you are hearing a sound, and you go to where the sound was , and it keeps moving, but staying so you can hear it. I would think twice befor I went any further, with out back up.



Now for the guy who thought BF was saying his name, Oh CRAP LOCK and LOAD the 50cal... Dont let him follow you home... :willies:

All I can say is 'YIKES'. Creepy stuff, let's get out of here Scoob! :willies:

C

Dragoon,
I actually followed the sound a few hundred yards into the thicket. I moved very slowly in attempting stealth. Guess If you are right, I didn't make it all the way to the ambush they had set up for me. Do you think they would eat me? Might be a little hard to chew. You know, old ironworkers, not likely to be tender.

I wouldn't think them to be intelligent enough to set a trap. although if they can talk, who knows??? Do you happen to know where I cam find out more about people who have heard this kind of sound? Websites? Books? Now that I started talking about it, my curiosity is running wild.

BSF, do you have the Sierra Sounds cds? You can some of this type of sound on there. It would be interesting, if you do have them, for you to share with us how they compare with what you heard.

These things are so big, strong, and fast, that I don't see where they NEED to set a trap for a human. If they wanted someone who's camping, they'd just barge into camp and take them, or grab them off the trail.

But you're right - if I heard that sound, I'd think MORE than twice about following it!

Sujen

I was not unarmed, Sujen, and I like to think it would not be quite that easy for him. I feel absolutely certain I would have put a serious hurting on him, had he attacked me, assuming it was a bigfoot.

RabidMonkey's vocalization is the clearest recording of a vocalization I have heard. Too bad ya have to use Geocities to share it. Data restrictions cut me off half way through the site.

Are there any other clear vocalization recordings like that? I would love to hear them if there are. I am NOT going into the woods without a handheld analog recorder ever again.

edited for the following observation

I have listened to the recording over and over, and I can pick up, after knowing the situation, that it sounds as if the subject has knocked on the windows of your vehicle, or on the paneling, and is checking you out. I wonder if there was another creature in the area as well.

Rabid, you said that the recorders had been moved... was there any noise on the machines that would indicate this?

JayleeD:
No, I never even heard of the CD until QuatchWatcher told me about it recently. I may get it, but I am very new to this sasquatch research. My interest started when I heard the sounds described above, and slowly increased from there. It kind of snowballed or mushroomed when I found the good ole' Bigfoot Forums site. Here I could actually talk about it without too much ridicule. Before that, I avoided anything BF related like the plague, after my first incident (the sighting, Chainsaw Massacre)

The vocalization I heard was not recorded and the website is also not mine.

I know that, Rabid. This is why i want to know more. I can understand your reluctance, but just say the word, and I won't ask again.

Everytime I hear the Ohio talker or the muttering in the Sierra recording I get the willies.

Oops I misread.

:doh:

me too!!!!

good story!

Belle

This is a VERY farfetched idea and please no one think I am crazy for suggesting it... BUT the sounds you describe and the sounds in that talker recording sound alot like some native american languages... After all there are reports of Native Americans interacting with BF and I think it might be intersting to get a Native american linguist to listen to these sound clips.

Again I'm not crazy just a theory, no I wouldn't even call it a theory. An inkling? yea thats it.

You're not the first to suggest it. Personally, the use of language in these animals is a place I'm not willing to go without a lot more evidence!

A little levity.......does anyone suppose that the "Marc Roc Roc" might have been a dog with a cleft palate?....jon

Sounds like the old Peanutbutter on the roof of the guard dog's mouth trick, to me!

Oh! Sorry...

Poor wittle puppy dog!

Brian,
I think that I have talked about this a bit before but there is a huge difference between the ability to make sounds that have meaning to the listener and the use of language.
True language involves extensive mental processing and the use of value laden, abstract symbols. These may be oral, written, or in the case of sign language, movements.
I did a post somewhere on the board about Homo Erectus and language (HE was not linguate). I'll see if I can find it. It has a lot of info.
Jan

Here it is (if I did it right :
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...=20&#entry34150

The person who recorded the Ohio Talker did have the tape examined by several native american people, and something very interesting came out of it:

"Chief Graycoat,after listening to the recording was able to determine that part of the phrase, that sounds like "ETOOBESSIELAYSENTOOLOSMIT..INIT" has a meaningful translation. The 'Talker' is saying something to the effect,"We are watching" or it might be,"We are being watched", but this, if correct, implies, that not only the 'Talker' was present in front of my van, but more than one, was present at the site."
http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/page25.html

Very thorough report on the Talker is at this site, well worth the time to read. Sasquatch language isn't as uncommon as you might think

I also have heard a kind of jumbled speech as I was on one of my outings, finding a trackway and gleaning a casting soon afterward. You can read about it here. Oddly enough, after I heard the mumbling, the first thought that came into my mind was Native American as well. The events of that day are still perplexing to me. I hope to have a repeat of this occurrence in the future, so I can pay more attention to detail.

Here is another site which does a good job in detailing the happenings leading up to the recording of the "Talker":
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/...6591/page1.html

This is the part that has always bothered me about the circumstances which surround the recording:



Maybe the guy was dreaming? Strange I know, but nevertheless, it's interesting.

There are the folks that unknowingly record ghosts with tape recorders.
I dont remember the site off hand but they were are coast to coast am a few diff times.
Could be alot of things.

I have a hard time believing in the Sierra sounds. They appear to me to be multi tracks of baboon chatter and sea lion trumpeting, also walrus! Nothing unusual to the ear. However, the second cd, is by far much more interesting.
The Talker is very reminiscent of Inuit and Eskimo dialect in general!
But that is just my .20 cents!