These have all been taken by me in the past summer. I feel they are all perfectly natural..but they demonstrate how common this sort of thing is. Many were taken just walking in the woods, some were from our recent Michigan outings.
All were taken as refererence, and I do NOT claim or think they are in any way bf related.
Just for your viewing interest.

Here, trees were broken and "woven" together...one was hanging from the center living tree upside down. A rough, but visable "Tee Pee" formation. My assesement: wind damage, and/or human intervention.


Here is a bit more "elaborate" tee-pee type thing. Several large sticks as well as some smaller ones were tightly knotted in almost a "Top knot" thing..again, teepee shaped. The apex of this knot of sticks was tighly compacted, and interwoven. I think this is a naturaly formation also, primarily due to a couple of larger sticks having fallen in a "tripod", then smaller ones over time piling onto it, demonstrating how nature can form a "made" object.
Note, it sets back in a type of natural "tent" formed by overhanging brush...this would jump out as a "bf nest" to some..but again, I think it's just how the brush grew.


Another "tee Pee" This one made of larger, freshere(still green) small trees. All of these were broken off and "upside down" the tops to the bottom, and a couple jammed somewhat into the ground. This one even is "tied" with green, limber branches. Again, likely wind damage, and chance tangle after they fell.



Two trees broken and "tied" and jammed into the ground. Green living brances are twisted and woven around the "X" point, holding the two older limbs together.
Again...wind and falling through the canopy did this, I suspect. See detail of cross point below.



The following are from our Michigan trip.
First, a "woven" gate. Tree tops are intertwined, and form an arch over a small stream. (stream happnens to be the site of a BFRO listed sighting)
Wind, again, or snow possibly.


Broken sapling(2-3 in. in diameter) at same site as above.


Smaller, cleanly snapped trees. These were on the ridge west of our camp. Found while doing "test" knocks to see how far some of the knocks we heard were coming from. Likely bear or possibly deer.


Of couse, can not have this thread without the worlds most perfect tree twist!
Taken from top of ridge south of our latest michigan outing.


This one is from last spring, found in the same st. game area as the ones that led off this post. Small tree broken in two places and "tied" to form a triangle shape.
This I belive, was human based due to the elaborate nature of the thing.
Likely a hunter or hiker just messing around or marking a trail.



I believe these do show how common this sort of thing is....most woodlots will have numereous "formations" some of which seem very "artificial"...yet I think they are natural. Nature can be quite creative.

The pic of the twisted trees is cool looking.

Great thread & pictures NW. If anyone remembers all the rage in the 90's was teepee formations, twisted branches etc. etc. (keep in mind people these so-called formations help give fame to M. Green who saw them everyplace ) well a friend of mine who I was with took pictures of different formations & then posted them online & underneath the pictures just put "very unusual don't ya think" well all we heard was how BF could of formed these, some people were saying they could definetly tell they were formed by BF etc. since we didn't say where they were taken, we let the air out of the balloon they were taken in New York City's Central Park in the Heart of Manhattan. Need I say more.
Thanks again NW for your pictures, it speaks for itself.

I almost did that with these B22...but figured to avoid the claim of pot-stiring by just telling where they were from!

Hey NW, On my way up to a very remote area, a few miles out of Lucerne, Wa. on Lake Chelan, I saw a lodge pole pine tree, about 4" in diameter, twisted downward and sidways at roughfly 90 degrees. It did not look like a blowdown from a storm. I was going to take a picture and post it here but I couldn't find it again on my way out of there 3 days later. It could of been anything. What struck me funny though was, it was a live tree and too big of a trunk for a human to twist. Also, it was only 4 feet or so off the ground. If someone had a picture of something similar to my description, I could verify it better. Oh well, next time I go there, I will get a picture.

The Blobs are going to be mad at you, NW!

Great thread! It isn't often that somebody who is pro-something will come out and shoot a whole section of "evidence" in the foot. You don't expect it, but it sure is refreshing. Mental integrity is a wonderful thing!

Keep up the good work! It's stuff like this that adds credibility while it reinforces objectivity. You can't ever go wrong when you stand up for the truth and yell, "The Bigfoot has no clothes," as it were.

(I know you're not saying that BF couldn't possibly be behind some tree twists. Well he could, but taken by itself, it is not sufficient evidence.)

OK, went back to the same state forest as I did the other evening to do some scouting for deer season, and took these pictures. Again...these are natural, but show how easy it is to find "evidence" if you want to.
The Tepee formations were in great evidence...but not suprising given that if enough limbs fall, some will land on one another.

First, a two sided Tepee formation..


A better Tepee, complete with sides and looking like it was put together like a puzzle. Again, this happens when limbs fall and slide down one anther, stacking like pick up sticks.


Top part of above "tepee".


Smaller tepee, 3 sided.


Elaborate stick formation on side of larger tree. Sticks and limbs are intertwined.



couple of different views of above formation




another small tepee/formation..


More to follow....

seems the Bipto has instituded an image limit!...have to continue on another post.

Part 2,

A "tree arch" across the access trail. Tree tops are intertwined. Wind did this, as the trees whiped around in a storm, more than likely.


close up of above intertwinded arch, showing the wind damage, and how it twisted the trees together as they likely whiped back and forth.


Hey, I found another of the pretzel trees, just a bit smaller!!! There were numerous trees like this, but this was the closest one to the larger one I have posted before.



A coule of arches.
small one.


Large one, with top "held down" by larger logs. I have seen this often called "evidence"...it is evidence that sometimes larger logs fall on smaller trees, but nothing more.


view of top of arch above, with "anchor" logs..


finaly, a nice tree break, on a larger green tree, about 6" in diameter, and about 10 feet off the ground.....wind again..


close up of break point.


I will add again..this is NOT an effort to mock this type of thing, or declare that no "evidence" of this kind is BF rleated....but it is an effort to show that nothing is out of natures abilities..and that even in those places where tracks or such is found, this sort of thing can't really be used as evidence...as tracks or no tracks, these things will be there anyway.
Again, these were found in less than an hour, with no effort other than to be observant of the area...and I could do this every day of the year in a different place, I suspect.
Just from this thread alone, think of the website I could build.....and think of what I could have implied, had I written this just a bit differenly.....

Very good pictures, NW. I also have seen many limbs seemingly stacked as your photo's show. And, yes, I agree they were most likely a natural occurance.
I have made many a debris hut for an overnight stay in the woods. And if I would
of came across some of these tepee like formations your pictures show, I would of had a head start on my dwelling.

As far as the 90 degree branch breaks, I would agree that they are probably wind induced. Where I would pay particular attention is,
"any sideways twist in the break" I'm strictly spectulating here, I just feel that once a branch of lets say 4.0" in dia. is broke from the wind, that the wind might not be able to also cause a side twist configuration, such as the break I saw 2 weeks ago. Another interesting thing was, this pine tree was a stubby and stout 7 or 8 footer, and there were alot of other bigger and smaller trees around it that were undamaged. What I'm saying here is, the trees that some of your pictures portray are tall and skinny, thus more suseptible to breakage from swaying action of the wind. I'm not sure the wind could of broke the tree I observed. Now, I will definitely have to get a picture of it. Sorry, I don't have one. It will be awhile before will be able to get back there...

Good stuff Nightwing!

I think you should always take into account any internal damage or weakness caused by insects, etc. when looking for reasons one tree breaks while another close by doesn't. I'm not saying that none of this is evidence of bf, just that there could be many reasons for a tree to break in the wind.

Great pics, NW! Thanks for those!

When you mention "teepee" type limb formations...

I agree most are probably natural in origin...

But when you may wish to investigate further is when the limbs are from trees that are not overhead, or even nearby...

If you find such a limb formation under a tree, the first thing to do is to look up... if the tree has no limbs of similar diameter... or if the limbs are of a different species, then further investigation may be warranted...

I have seen such formations under very short trees... with taller trees quite a distance away... such formations under those circumstances would be a one-in-a-million chance of ending up in a teepee formation... but if that's the case, you would sure want a pic of it anyways... it would really be sumtin to see... no?

And... as always... you gotta remember there are folks hiking around out there with nuthin' better to do than to build stick teepees...

I remember those fond days of my youth... hiking the woods... building stick teepees with non-indigenous tree limbs... ahhh... good times...

I think Jaylee has a good point....even those mysterious "individual" trees(btw, none of the trees in these pics were near other fresh broken trees), likely had some weakness at the point of the break.
As to side twist or any other twists...once a tree is weakened, and starts to whip around in a violent wind, it could easily be twisted in a manner that looks imposible after the fact.....but is quite possible. Heavy winds, swirling through a forest, can do weird stuff. I think what happens is that trees can even "spin" almost in the right conditons, and this sets up the twists.
Again...this is not to say none of the alleged tree evidnece is squatch related...but declaring it so is simply unscientific. And again...the simple fact that this stuff is found in every woodlot..cannot be forgotten.

gotta go to work, but RB, mostly hunters in this area...but point I could have found these just as easily I think on private, non-hiked land.

Work? What the heck is that??

Well... ok NW... but be careful out there walking around on private land...

They shoot tresspassers in Texas...

Especially if they mess with their stick teepees...

Some of them teepees are summer homes for folks from Oklahoma, ya' know...

I agree that most things found in the woods are natural occurances. Some aren't though as the pic below shows. I don't know who or what made this formation. I can say the area isn't easily accesssible and is to "thick" to be hunted in.

That had help forming, fletch (human or otherwise). Did you take the picture? What state was it in?

I agree with all of the above too. I see lots of these things here in the woods in Europe and I'm pretty sure they are not made by any bigfoots!

I took the pic myself in Beauregard Parish Louisiana the last part of last year.

Dont' know fletch..given the two large trees, and the two smaller ones being bracketed..I can see those piling up over time...and those are not really much different in "aritficialness" than the "clear" tepee I found. And regardless...I think that attributing ANY of this.."aritifical" or not, to a sasquatch is a HUGE leap..one with not a shread of evidence that I can see.

You can't see it in the pic but some of those limbs are green and were broken recently. Also the limbs were all of an equal length. I'm no mathemetician but the odds of that happening should be out there. Like I said in my post, I dunno what did that, I wasn't there to see it. I just know I had to work my butt off to get into there and can't see someone being so bored as to work their way into there just to stack limbs up in that fashion. I'll be the first to agree that every odd formation, twist,break and bow isn't squatch. Some of it is though IMHO. I've taken pics of tracks where I've had a siting and been there and heard tree's being broken when there was no wind and no machinery in the area. I've also found bows that have had the tops jammed into the ground and when pulled lose, sprang upright. I and two other men could not push the top of the same tree back into the ground far enough to get it to stay. Again, I dunno what did any of this as I didn't see how it was done, but it does make me wonder.

well not wanting to argue..but still, nothing I have seen is beyond nature to do without help from any primate..human or otherwise. Sorry..but that pic just looks like a slightly uniform pile of sticks. At most..maybe a bored hunter did it..
But, again..Not one person has ever come fourth with any evidence that sasquatch has ANYTHING to do with any of these..so even IF they are 'artificial"...why assume that a so far unproven ape did them, instead of the very well proven population of Homo Sapiens Sapiens?
Guess we will have to agree to disagree..but you have to admit, that looking at almost any of the photos on any of the many sites that trumpet this stuff...non of it looks much if any more "artificial" than the stuff I posted.....
I'll continue to add to this as I see them...I suspect I will have quite a healthy little collection by the time deer season is over!
Again..I don't say that none of this could ever be squatch related..only that to date, there is simply no indication that this is the case.
Oh..and tree tops driven into the ground are a common occurance after a thunderstorm down draft...again, wind is a fickle thing!
But..guess we will have to agree to disagree...untill solid evidence of the "squatch" theory is forthcoming.

What ever happened to using objective research? We all know that finds of this nature cannot totally be attributed to Bigfoot unless one is seen making these formations. Even though, some of us choose to associate these things with Bigfoot activity, without verification. It is my belief that some of us have entered into the realm of stagnation due to the acceptance of non-verified Bigfoot evidence, as being legitimately related to Bigfoot. There are ways to verify the validity of finds like these; however, the process requires time and documentation. To present something like this from an area you have only visited once or twice, in my opinion, is perfidious and perfunctory.

Not looking for an argument N/W. Pics seldom show what one see's with the naked eye and it's hard to make someone see what you did. The area where this particular pic was taken had a siting. Not by me but by someone I trust. To get into this area I had to use a machette to hack my way in to get in far enough to be able to move around with some semblence of freedom. It's pretty "thick" in there and to hunt with anything beyond trapping would be an exercise in futility. I agree no one has anything to prove squatch does or does not do anything. Then again, not all of us have been exposed to the things others have. All I have are suspicions, not proof of anything. Then again, I'm not out to prove anything to anyone, just compare notes and maybe add my two cents in on what I have experienced. [edited in] Wind can be a fickle thing but I'm talking about trees maybe ten foot tall in a pine forest. Again, you can't see what I'm seeing so it's a bit difficult to explain what is going on. These bows are always near a water supply that is potable and never a distance away from it. Why would the wind only blow near this water supply? The "formations" I find suspicious are always in an area where I find small 4 toed tracks that are seldom over 4-5 inches long as well as adult sized tracks. The twists and breaks I find that are suspicious are around this area like a perimeter. Green tree's that are up to 5 inches across and twisted near in two are something that arouses my suspicion when there are no machinery tracks around. These are all in a centralized area maybe a mile to a mile and a half across. Not scattered hither and yon.

Good point. I've spent over two years, almost three in the exact same area. Guess what. Each year was a repeat of the last. Same little odd bows, twists, formations, sounds and tracks always start at around the same time of year. To bad a person can't live in a national forest. It'd make things easier.

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fletch, we will indeed have to agree to disagree, I think.
I go by what I see, both on the net, and more importantly in the field, personaly. And what I see, just does not add up to sasquatch...at least to me.
You may only find this "evidence" in certain areas..but that may well be due to local conditions, topography, soil moisture(tree bends may well be very effected by that factor), or other local factors...but, those same "artifacts" ARE to be found elsewear. IF there was any kind of consistent "thing" being found ONLY in association with tracks, previous sightings, or direct witness of manipulation..THEN I would have to give some serious thought to it..but as long as I keep seeing and finding the same stuff everwhere in the woods, I won't be able to accept it as being likely sasquatch related, unless there is far more "connection" to the phenomenon then now seems aparent.
That last paragraph kind of sums it up for me..and is the reason I started this thread.
So again...I really do wish you good luck..and believe it or not, would LOVE to eat crow on this issue!
But bottom line is that you and others who belive this is sasquatch related, have only a "gut feeling" to go with...and given the universaly common nature of the evidence type discussed, I personaly just don't see it as being more than of passing interest.
Again...friendly agreement to disagree seems the best course here.

Hey ppl,
Great site i just stumbled upon it yesterday and i havent been able to stop reading it. I have seen all to often limb snapping and manipulation first hand over here in australia, I was wondering if over their (usa) you also get what we call treee bites??? I asume they are going after grubs in the trunk as 95% of the ones I have seen you can see the hollowed out wood where they have been. Also some of them have very visable k9 teeth markes in them and we dont have any bear or other large animals that fit the picrture. I would attach a pic here of what im talking about but i dont know how. Anyways ppl go get em ....

Lol ok i got the pic on the web. Its not the best camera but u got the idea .. the trunk if about 12 inches wide and "It" took 5 distinctive bites to get at the grub

Hello. Has anyone ever seen a yowie do this tree biting? Is it possible that something other than teeth could make the "canine" marks? How could you tell it took 5 distinctive bites to get to the middle of the tree?

Thats cool N/W. The world would indeed be boring if everyone thought alike. I'm pretty much doing what you are though, going with what I see: but I have to add in what I'm hearing as well. I know what you are saying on the bows however. I saw them by the thousands over the years in La. and most do have an explanation be it a deformity, storm, machinery or whatever. It's like I said in a post on another board, you would have had to be in the area for the time that I have to be able to "see" what is making me so suspicious.

There are so many critters over here that will chew on trees and rub them it would be an even bigger debate than gun control I think. I have found the bark peeled from pine before but I couldn't begin to say what peeled it.

Good enough Fletch.
Like I said in the beginning...I don't rule it totaly out...just most of it!
And I respect that you don't flat out call it bf evidence...just that it is of interest and suspicion to you.

To be perfectly honest i dont know if anyone has "seen" this behavior as our yowies seem to be very aware of their surrounding and seem to "know" when there are ppl around. If anyone has I would have to say Dean Harrison or 1 of the other AYR team would have and I know that alot of his research has never been released to the public.
The "official" line is black cookatoo's (parots) are doing this sort of damage but they only eat seeds from 1 type of tree and its not this one. There are other reasons y this bird has been ruled out but it would take up to much space. The only other animals of any size are koalas (only eat gum leaves) and maybe the odd possum (they only eat flowers and insects) and nothing has teeth the dimentions of the marks left behind (some are the size of your index finger) and are definatly not from something small.
I wish the picture was clearer .. starting from the top of the bit there are "steps" starting from the top to the center with 5 clear differant levels on it.
The day this was taken I was out with a member from the AYR and he said it was one of the best he had ever seen and was taken in the middle of a "hot spot" where a number of encouters have happened.
Im going to get a better camera so I hope to get some better pic's of what im tying to show in the future.

Because it took 5 bites to get to the center of a tooties roll pop?

Nice Pic! Would love to know what did that, irregardless(or regardless depending on who ya are!) of what made it. Where is Martin?


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