Great story though.......I hope it's not true........ Ripped apart!

Hi first time posting...

Ok If this was true were is the evidence that they collected before the first guy got "Rippped apart"

As for the second story were are the bones that they found?

I dont think that this is real, good story though.

TKD

:rolleyes:


That's not even good fiction. It's stupid-testerone-induce-teenage-fantasy fiction.

Redwolf...who won't tell you what hubby said about the 1200 grain slug.....it's unprintable

Ok...I stopped reading at the claim of what weapons they were carying.
Weatherby NEVER made a .458...they made a .416 and a .460..
And had they made one..the claim of a 1200 grain bullet is nearly impossible. The bullet would have needed to be so long as likely not allow ANY room for powder in the case.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt....a .460 weatherby will not load a bullet greater then 500 grains, due to seating depth..any larger/longer, and insufficient powder room remains for safe fireing..
I'll say it.....this one is pure fiction.

Hey Red, your hubby and I did a GMTA from 2000 miles!

WHOPPER with cheese!...Holy Mackerel does that guy have some bad luck or what?...and yet, the Sasquatch never touch him...yowsers!

LOL Yep.

When I read your post to him, hubby said "now that's someone who knows their #@% about guns".



RW

Can anyone here say "Serial Killer"?

Ha ha! That was my thought, too! This guy is the Norman Bates of the forest!

Sujen

serial killer.

Can anyone here say "Serial Killer"?

could be ??
wouldn`t get me out in the woods with that guy for all the money in the world

how many others.can u say dahmer. jeffrey dahmer

You forgot the Chianti wine & fava beans..............

He lost me when he said he worked on the Queen Mary in Los Angeles instead of Long Beach. Guess I'm just picky that way.

1200 grains works out to about 2.74 ounces.

OUCH!!!

People who write fiction involving guns should really do their homework first. :rolleyes:

Hell, the Barrett Light .50 shoots a bullet that is "only" 380 some odd grains.....Unless he was hunting with an antiaircraft gun, he's a liar......

Here's some key thing to look at when reviewing the validity of a story.

One, do all the facts sound correct? We can allow for minor (I mean minor ) discrepancies, due to typos or ignorance. But if a report contains a lot of little details (there is a difference between minor details and little details) (caliber of rifle, weight of bullet, etc.) the details had better be correct.

Another, can the facts be checked? This story is old enough so that it would take some effort to dig up the police reports of the incident. Given that, it's not worth the effort to factually dispute the story. This is commonly used when people claim to have been involved in "Special Forces" operations and tell some grand tale, knowing that it's difficult (if not impossible) to verify the facts.

And lastly, frequency of events. If a person repeatedly is involved in fantastical scenarios. This is very Munchausenian. Certainly something to be aware of.

U.S. military 50 caliber FMJ is 650 grains.

1200 grain small arms round?

That's fantasy.

I wish I could find that weapon, Perhaps he was using the terminator gun system.lol

1200 grains? Was this guy packing a rocket launcher? Holy hell!! If the facts on the gun and ammo were correct, then maybe this story could have been somewhat believeable. But who had the camera and film on the second outing? That would have been something I would have kept safe. And why wouldn't these guys just leave after the got some good prints and video anyway? Sounds fishy as hell.

not to disagree with you nightwing but i'm under the impression that the 460 weatherby actually is a 458. Weatherby just added the sales tax to it. Could be wrong though, bu thought i read that in one of my Capstick books. MM

But it still uses a 500 grain slug, which is just a wee bit short of the 1200 grains the writer claims. In interests of complete fairness, though, some rifles have been built that use insanely huge bullets. The .700 Nitro Express (created solely to one-up the .600) uses a 1000 grain slug. I have an article somewhere about a British gunsmith named Giles Whiteholme (sp?) who used a Greener harpoon gun as a basis for a gargantuan single shot rifle he built. It used a metallic black powder cartridge that was (brace yourself) 8 gauge and fired a shell (bullet or slug just doesn't cover it) weighing 1880 grains! The rifle weighed over 20 pounds. The Brits used guns up to 4 gauge in the muzzle loader era (a time when 10 gauges and .577s were honestly considered to be light guns) for large, dangerous game. A 4 gauge would (theoretically, at least) fire a profectile weighing 1/4 pound.

yup, samual baker used a 4 gauge nicknamed "baby" used a 4 ounce ball and 2 HANDFULLS!!! of black powder. i have a great story from him using it when his bearer accidentally double charged it, he shot a buffalo with it and pretty much rearranged his nose and facial features plus a dislocated shoulder to boot, them old timers were sure tough, i thought my buddy's 338 kicked like hell lol.

Cool! Have you read Baker's "Charge of Sixpence?" At least, I think that's what it was titled. In a nutshell, he was facing a wounded water buffalo and was out of bullets, so after dumping a heapin' helping of powder down his muzzle loader (I think it was a 10 gauge) he tore off a piece of his shirt and wrapped a bunch of coins in it and loaded it. He shot the buff as it charged at virtual muzzle contact distance. Not waiting for the smoke to clear, he hauled a$$. The buff, though still alive, didn't catch him.

I bet he used "Buffalo nickels".

One of the sporting good stores I used to work in years ago had what they called a "punt gun" hanging on the wall. It was roughly a four-bore that mounted into the oarlock of a punt and was used back in the days of commercial water-fowling. The thing was just frigging huge!!

Poor Daffy and Donald and the rest of the quackers when some dude turned that monster loose on a flock

I am by no means a Weatherby expert but cant you load .458 Winchesters ?


The .416 has quickly become one of the best all-around cartridges for Africa. Developed by Roy’s son, Ed, the .416 is a necked up version of the .378 exceeding the power and energy of the .416 Rigby, the Remington .416 Magnum and the .458 Winchester. The ideal choice for the single gun African safari or Alaska’s big bears. .416 Weatherby Magnum is available in Mark V Deluxe.

Myself the only rifle I own is a rem. model 6 pump 30.06

Not NW, but hubby took the bait.

Two different guns. The .458 was developed by Winchester and has a straight case The .460 was developed for Weatherby and it has a bottle necked case. They are not interchangeable.

NW???

Mr. and Mrs. Redwolf

GuyInIndiana,

That's the samething I was thinking. :rolleyes:

Well gang, your both kinda sort of right....while they are not interchangeable, both the .460 Weatherby and the .458 Winchester are both of the same nominal caliber....both use .458 diameter bullets.

Thew .460 designation was one of Roy's marketing gimmicks for Weatherby...he used it with a lot of their calibers....the .378 is really a .375, the .224 is actually a .224, but its the same bullet used in a common .223

Metallic cartridges aside, I thought the 3" brass shot shells for the 10 ga. were pretty good as well. Not to say that they never built a 3" brass hull, but I've never seen or heard tell of one until somebody recently brought them back out for the cowboy shooters.

Have seen them in 2" and 2.5", but they were pretty much gone from the scene by the early 30's or so.

And the same problem that killed them back in the day, supposedly still persists.....they're allegedly a pain in the a** to reload and too damned pricey not to.

Question: Would anyone happen to have a picture of either of these two bullets? Thanks!

Which ones?

Oops! Sorry! The 3" shot shells or the 3" brass hulls.

Edit again!! Brass 3" shot shells!!!

You know I thought I posted a post on this topic last night. But looking tonight I do not see where I posted. WOW my memory must be going out on me big time :-(

Oh well do not feel like typing it out again lol.

I also think this story is false. The guy had the guns right as they are made but the 1200 grains is just to much lol. A gun that could fire that thing would knock someone for a loop when fired lol.

I am not sure what I really think about Bigfoot killing people. I do think it is possible and a lot of people do go missing in the woods every year never to be seen again. We really have no way to tell what happens to them.
But I do think that if someone was tore apart by any animal more of a report would have been done on it then just that. It would have been all over the news and every thing else I feel.

So do I think that Bigfoot could kill and prey on humans ? Maybe. We will never know until they become a known animal and enough funding is given to the right people to really study them like they should be studied.

Angie...here's a pic of a couple of OLD brass Winchester 10 gauge hulls. Length given for these two was 2 1/2" and 2 3/4".

Also while I was digging about found some info that there was a small run of brass hulls in 1964, no reference however if they included 10 gauge in that. I lean to 10 gauge being doubtful, because it had really faded on the market until the introduction of the steel shot regulations a few years ago...but wouldn't take that to the bank

Edit for addt'l info: Dug a bit deeper, and found only one brass 10 ga. hull being done in '64 was imported from Fiocchi and was a 2 7/8" which was considered the standard in 10 ga. and not 3".


Also forgot to mention a little secret, brass hulls are designed for blackpowder loads and not smokeless....not to say that it can't be done, but your not gonna be able to load to the pressures of a plastic style hull.

Thanks a lot Adamsclimber!

The reason that I was interested is because I do believe that I have seen one before. Years ago, one of my dads hunting buddies had one. I was very impressed! Also, it may not have been a 3" but it sure was big!

Thanks again!!!

Not to go astray of the subject, but when is the last time any of you guys have seen a woman mention 3" and "big" in the same sentence???

You read my mind Fish.

So, you're telling me that 3" isn't big? Now I'm really confused.



@ Fish

I'm surprised he showed it to her!

It was probably because it was not a common thing back then, you know!

[Sorry Angie...but Fish got me going and it is running away with me!]

This guy has the cash resources to charter planes, rent helicopters, buy expensive guns, obtain a drug dart gun and all the other equipment he refers to? And just when exactly did the Yerkes Primate Institute start providing massive doses of primate tranquilizers to any jackleg who requests it?

Partners with mysterious backgrounds that can't be confirmed?

Something this traumatic and memorable happens not once, but twice to this fellow and he doesn't have anything but memory to support it? No reports, no newspaper articles, no field notes, no print casts? Nothing was kept? Any that might have been kept were lost while moving?

That's just the start of a whole bunch of incredulous questions!

[edit] ohhhh, I'm so bad.... please disregard!

Very good points there my friend. The one thing that really struck me as odd about the second supposed happening...why did his hunting buddy go so far from camp to relieve himself?

Ah, indeed the bullet diameter is the same in both the .460 weatherby and the .458 win..but the cartridges are NOT by any means interchangeable, and due to the shape of the case(not to mention the size), fireing either in the other is imposible.
IF he was refereing the to the weatherby round, I am sure he would have called it a .460..as that is it;s official name. If he is simply calling it by bullet diameter...then you would have to change the names of many popular rounds!
I think in the creation of his story, he got the momenclature between the two rounds mixed up. As has been pointed out however..the really damming remark was about the alleged bullet weight. 1200 grains in a .458 caliber bullet is essentialy impossible.
As to brass Shotgun cartridges..yes, they existed, primarily as BLACK POWDER cartriges..and then only due to material availability.
Using the fact that the hull was brass as some sort of indication that it was over-pressured...just serves to make him look silly to anyone who knows about what brass cartridges were for. They were brass because in those days...that was just what such things were made of.
In a shotgun, the large majority of the pressure is taken by the chamber of the firearm..really little by the cartrige..so brass, paper, plastic..really makes little difference(Modern 3.5" magnum shotgun cartriges are more powerfull than anything of equal gauge from the past..yet, they are made primarily of plastic...).
IT's still a nice tall tale..but that's all, I believe.

Another oddity was the forensics crew refusing to go in and do their jobs. They've analyzed homicide scenes before. Why not this one?

yeah! was the dudes ripped up body just left there in the woods? no one had the nerve to clean up the scene and bring the dude out for a burial or for evaluation?

and the cops never connected the fact that this dude lost two partners in the woods? i'm also thinking serial killer....sure hope all his cronies have the sense not to go bigfooting with him.

and wheres the evidence they got? hair, tracks, photos of tracks, etc

gael

Ah ha! I should have known better! Now I'll dig myself in a little deeper and admit that it is the brass that I like so much. Big brass cartridges are cool! Thank God I wasnt talking about silver bullets!

An Angie-ism

She likes 'em Brassy and Bold!