Suppose this race of intelligent creatures has been on the earth as long, or longer than we have. They could have long ago created an intricate underground habitat, or settled in pre-existing -but unknown- caves and caverns. It could be their elusiveness is due to their living under the ground.

The forrests could be riddled with hidden entrances and exits that allow them to come and go unseen, and seem to disappear without a trace.

We think we know all there is to know about earth, but do we know if there may be huge caverns far below the forests of the Pacific Northwest?

A friend of mine who is a tracker/hunter and I were talking about hunting one time. We were not talking about bigfoot at all, but he mentioned that certain animals that live underground a lot of times will stink very badly. Bigfoot eyewitnesses usually report a foul stench along with the sighting.

Could it be that "bigfoot" lives underground?

It is always a possibilty. This is a theory that rears it's head here every now and then. Personally, I think there is plenty enough wilderness out there in which the Sasquatch can remain elusive, they wouldn't need underground travel.

ekimlaw-
Having grown up in western Pennsylvania (Cambria, Somerset and Westmoreland counties) where there have been a number of sightings I have heard the underground theory before. Back in those parts they say that it is possible for the creature to travel in abandoned mines and in the many caves that riddle the mountains there.
That is just one theory as to how it gets around in an area with a larger population without being seen too much.
Now I live in mid/northern California-out of the frying pan so to speak-and am looking forward to my first California camping trip. Our family is going to the Trinity Lake area next week and I have been doing all the on line research I can about that area.
Nice to be here and I look forward to corresponding with many of you all in the future!

i think in areas around volcanos both dormant/dead or active there r alot of caves tunnels ect and other areas where the geology lends it self to tunnle formation that this is a possibility. afterall humans cant avoid exploring a new cave so why not.

Wombles spring to mind !





Did you guys ever get the kids tv show 'The Wombles' ? - I'm guessing it was just for British TV

haha. Imagine a bigfoot just going around picking up humans rubbish... Maybe that's why they haven't been caught yet, it's because when you're in the deep woods searching for them, their back at your campsite picking up your rubbish...

Sure hope they showed the Wombles in America... or my post will make no sense whatsoever...

It is always possible that the Sasquatch lives underground. That may explain why they "disappear" so quickly in the middle of the forest. Very interesting theory, ekimklaw.

Smokey Sassi says . Only YOU can keep our forest tidy.

Ain't that the truth !

The Wombles Official Web Site !

That's cute Paul.
I have never seen the Wombles here, but my daughter is a big fan of the Teletubbies.

That is cute! We don't do teletubbies anymore, my guys have moved on to BooBah if you know who they are. Kinda like teletubbies but WAY stranger

O.K. sorry back to topic........I've wondered about the underground dwelling also. I know here in NC there are thousands of old gold mine shafts all over the state.

My 2 cents worth.

Like ANY part of the Bigfoot phenomenom... it may be correct that when available they DO use underground for travel and shelter. WHere I am in Northern Indiana, it's not logical because our geological makeup doesn't allow for it, but southern Indiana would due to limestone makeup of the area. Southern Indiana is riddled with caves and the like, while here, none. It would certainly explain why some areas have higher incidence of sightings or vocalizations, and places like mine are more annual or seasonal.

Don't let anyone tell you it "can't be". Just as there's diversity in our cultures and developement, it's highly likely the same case with Bigfoot.

There ARE NO BF experts... just BS experts.

Keep those eyes and ears open. Oh yeah, an open mind ain't so bad either. :-)

A good question, I think, and I'll relate two instances that lend some credability to this...

My son was communicating via email with someone he contacted from the site AboveTopSecret.com. This person was formerly an MP at Andrews AFB, he told him, who's job was to monior the large drain-pipes, I think, that surround the perimiter. They did this via video cameras that were mounted in the drains. He said that they saw BF regularly taking up residence in these drains and every once in a while, like him, reports would surface about it, after these men left the service.

The other instance is that when our activity here started, I would scratch my head wondering how BF would get around without being seen, specifically across roads and highways. One of our guys was out having a cigarette in front of his house one night and heard the scream, so he went to go check it out. What he discovered was that it was coming from one of the storm drains on the street. That's when we started to check out some of the openings to these drains pipes and I found evidence of tracks and paths around and leading from them. That was also where I once found the jaw-bone of an animal, probably a deer lying in the run-off from the drain.

So, it doesn't necessarily have to be a cave.

VA,

Wow they got it on film? Wouldn't something like that get leaked out to the public? If I had access to something like that I'd try to smuggle a copy out anyway I could

NO. They do not hide and travel under ground. End of story.

redog-- Care to elaborate on that? What makes you so sure that they don't? Just curious, thanks.

Once again, an absolute answer to something noone could possibly have an answer to. Noone is saying they "have to" or "always will"... only that it is a possibility. TO say they don't hide or travel underground as some final, absolute answer is intellectually silly.

"My son was communicating via email with someone he contacted from the site AboveTopSecret.com. This person was formerly an MP at Andrews AFB, he told him, who's job was to monior the large drain-pipes, I think, that surround the perimiter. They did this via video cameras that were mounted in the drains. He said that they saw BF regularly taking up residence in these drains and every once in a while, like him, reports would surface about it, after these men left the service."


Uh.....I was stationed at Andrews and I can assure you (I had a Yankee White security clearancem which means I could go anywhere on the base) that there are no such drains that are video surveilled. Someone is pulling your son's chain and if need be I can get my friend who was a security forces (Air Force "MP") at Andrews to vouch for this.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Not to mention that Andrews is pretty much surrounded by ghetto and Interstate 495 on one side and suburbs on the other. Not exactly prime squatch territory

I beg to differ...

Although these animals have been reportedly witnessed portrayib what some might consider high intelligence, to my knowledge they've NEVER been seen (atleast not reliably so) making use of fire in any way, shape or form...

This being the case, how would Bigfoot navigate underground?...

By feeling the walls?...Sorry, I've spelunked so much in the past and seen (and encountered myself) so many dangerous circumstances in caves that it's simply NOT GOING TO BE A VIABLE MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION...Period...

If You disagree, please, I'd be more than happy and willing to take You underground, in any of the multitudes of caverns here in my area, leave You in a safe spot and await Your immenent arrival (or more likely, death) back outside...

I'm 6ft 4 and a big sturdy guy...If I can't navigate through some of the cave systems I've seen, in effecient manner, then sorry, Bigfoot isn't gonna do it either...People need to realize that once You get within a certain depth of a cave, You're then in total darkness...Nothing, and I mean -nothing- is casting any amount of light off at all...Your eyes will actually, after a certain amount of time, begin percieving phantom lights (usually looking like tiny little blurred bursts) that aren't even there, as the cones and rods inside Your eyes try valiantly to take in this absolute blackness...Within this total darkness nothing can see...Not bats (hence their radar), nor cave crickets (hence their huge and lengthy antanea for feeling their way around) nor even cave rats (whom simply navigate by a combination of touch and scent)...Notice none of these animals are bigger than a human fist...

In that same vein, the idea of a Bigfoot navigating around in the total darkness of a cave system, as a means of travel, is what's truely intellectual silly in this instance...

As for using cave mouths for shelter?...Sure, I'd believe (and do, in fact) that's highly probable...Almost any large animal will use cave mouths for shelter (humans included), so why wouldn't Sasquatch?...

"Although these animals have been reportedly witnessed portrayib what some might consider high intelligence, to my knowledge they've NEVER been seen (atleast not reliably so) making use of fire in any way, shape or form...

This being the case, how would Bigfoot navigate underground?..."

[SIZE=7]Ok.... so, we know so little about them to not leave room for things we don't know about yet. <?>

Some have speculated with the reports of Biggy making both high and low frequency sounds, he "could" use them to echo locate his way thru dark environments. ?? I don't know... maybe, maybe not. Since we just don't KNOW, why not agree to leave the "absolute answers" until we HAVE REAL information to work with and not just speculation. This is exactly why arguements and bad feelings abound on this board. A few hundred years ago flight was "IMPOSSIBLE" ... now we know better. We can even 'fly' around the world in a space shuttle once every 90 minutes or so. Let's give the facts time to surface instead of setting them in stone before they're even found.

While you make some good points Randy, I think it is presumptive to categorically deny that it COULD be the case. We don't know what their eyesight capabilities are, how acute their other senses are, and as someone else mentioned, the posibility of adapted sonar techniques.

Any large wild animal that can rapidly disappear, must either go up (tree, mountain, etc.), hide behind something, go inside something (cave, lair, etc.) or go underground.

I guess the only other possibility is that it is able to change from a solid to a vapor.

Correction on the Andrews AFB... sorry, my son has just said that he remembers telling me no such thing, although, I do remember the story. Maybe it wasn't Andrews, well, my bad.... if I can find anything on that, again, I'll see what I can dig up.

Other than that, the other instance I mentioned still holds.

I'm always sceptical of reports of people and animals living in caves, because all of the caves I've ever been to have been damp, cool, and dark. Not the kind of place I'd want to live. But then again, I suppose I'm speaking with the benefit of 21st century living standards

Caves do maintain a constant temperature year round (about 5 degrees C I think), so they are cool in the summer and not cold in the winter). One of the caves I've been in had evidence of prehistoric human habitation incredibly deep inside, so even primative humans have travelled deep into caves, beyond the natural light.

That said, I don't think Sas uses caves, except in winter. Wouldn't this put it in direct conflict with bears as well ?

Eyesight capabilities has no bearing what so ever in this discussion, in the debate over whether Bigfoot may use cave systems for transportation...Why?...Because once You get within a certain depth of a cave (even in You're lucky enough to have a section here or there that has light pockets), the simple fact is the majority of the system is going to be in total darkness...Total darkness means there is NO amount of light, period...0.0000000% light...There is no amount of super vision capable of transforming total darkness into a visible light spectrum allowing an animal to percieve via sight...With no amount of light, and it accepted pretty easily amongst us all that these animals do not make use of fire, then even if they had super X-Ray vision or what have You, they simply can not see to make their way - period...

A sense of smell alone too wouldn't allow for an animal such as this to traverse in total darkness over any distance...Most caves have air pockets in some chambers, while there may be light drafts in others...The problem with using the sense of smell in a cave becomes dyer when You begin using it for transportation...Cave dwelling animals that usually rely on their ability to smell as their main sense, almost always use it for searching out and aquiring food...These animals live the entirety of their lives within these catacombs (quite often never leaving the very room/section of cave they were born in) and usually never experience light at all...

Bigfoot does not have radar (or it's underwater equivelent - sonar)...Why must we always attribute such things that simply aren't seen in the rest of the animal kingdom (and lets not forget that no land animals of Bigfoot size or larger use any of these methods for navigation) to Bigfoot to explain away those things about it that we don't understand?...

Assuredly, there are many large land animals (Elephants especially) that have in the last two decades, have been found to use low frequency communication...Perhaps Bigfoot indeed does this to some degree, I don't know and won't claim to have any idea pertaining to such, but the use of low frequency communication and applying it to be used as some form of radar is quite the stretch of the imagination indeed...

I don't discount the possibility of Bigfoot making use of bushes, trees (if it's indeed large enough to sustain the weight of an animal that size), behind natural geography or inside the mouth of a cave for the purpose of hiding itself...In fact, it only makes sense that an animal, any animal for that matter, would do just that...

Once more, I don't discount that these animals may make use of caves for shelter (but primarily the mouths of the caves, only so far back as the dark zone begins)...I believe that too makes far too much logical sense to be discounted...I'm only voicing my opinion (a strong one in this instance) that Bigfoot do not use cave systems as a method of transportation from point A to point B...

And as for the signs of human habitation being found deep within caves, this isn't surprising at all...Humans have been using pine resin torches for tens of thousands of years...Each pine torch can last MANY hours, if properly treated...

Case in point - I live in the town that happens to have the second largest cave system in the United States...One of the first modern men to "discover" the cave (i.e. explore it in any real depth) managed to spend 2 days, nearly 1/2 mile into the first section of the cave, on 3 rather shoddily put together pine resin torches...Being as pine is so plentiful in almost all areas, it's not surprising that human artifacts are found miles within caves such as these...

The real question should be this - When Mammoth, Mastadon, Smilodon (sabre-toothed cats), Giant Ground Sloth and all our more mundane native animals of this continent (Bear, Cougar, ect.) have had their remains found in droves, why hasn't Bigfoot bones been found as well in caves, if they make use of them in such a manner?...Caves are excellent natural vaults for keeping records of animals that have made use of them over time, in either leaving remains of those that died there, or in tracks being found where the animals walked through a wet spot here or there...To my knowledge, no such suspicious record of either have been found concerning Bigfoot...TONS of such records exist for all the above mentioned animals, and even more so for the human animal, but none to my knowledge for Bigfoot (or even something along cryptid lines)...

Of course, I'm also willing to conceed the obvious - Mabey we simply haven't found it yet...

^ Gotta agree with you R.H. You make an excellent arguement.

R H reminded me of a show i saw recently about elephants who live or traverse in caves. they do so to find water and to avoid predatoes. i will do a little reserch on this subject. before everyone kills me elephants are known the predadated upon by large cats in some parts especially the smaller of the two african i believe.

i did some reserch and i was wrong. the asian elephants r smaller. the cave elephants go into these volcano caves to look for salt. they go pretty deep and actually use their sense of smell and touch to find their way in the dark. they use sounds below the range of human hearing for communication and maybe along with their hearing to find their way in the dark . these elephants were driven into the caves to begin with due to being hunted by the elephants other known predator,man.all i did to reserch this was enter cave elephants in google ang got a whole page of links. i add this cause it is interesting how a nother large animal uses caves and finds its way thru the dark. and with no super powers.

As I understand it, bears only ever shelter in caves on the northern side of mountains.

If this is true, then a Sas could simply use those on the south sides.

The elephants were entering the caves to get at salt and minerals, not traversing to avoid predators or living in them. [Ooops! you found that already before I could post!]

BF using caves as shelter makes sense. BF using subterranean passages as some sort of undergound highway system sounds like escapist sci-fi. I'm not a spelunker but I have known some. All of them with any experience have stories to tell that give me the willies about the tight and dangerous spots thy have been in. I have been in several large caverns on tours and I just can't buy into the idea that a creature as large as BF could, or would, wend it's way through the incredibly tight and dangerous spots it would have to negotiate just to get what would be a comparatively short easy distance via surface travel. That is assuming the cavern system had seperate or multiple openings. Many do not. Even if, on the outside chance BF has sonar or self illuminating eyes, that makes no sense.

Where are the BF footprints? Surely if BF travels in such a manner there would be footprints in explored caves. Footprints in caves, under the right conditions, can last centuries if not millenia. You would think that some would have been found in a cave somewhere. Over thousands of years of BF cave exploring and traveling they should be as common in known caves as stalactites and stalagmites.

As for total darkness - no night vision device known to man will do you any good in the bowels of a cave because there is NO light to amplify. You either bring your own or do without.

Too many problems attached to that theory for me to buy into it!

Let me clarify.

I did not really mean to suggest that BF's travel in packs through places like Carlsbad Caverns, like some kind of bestial spelunkers...



All I mean to say is that they may live in burrows, or dens. I'm not suggesting that they live, stay, exist, subsist underground, but that they simply may use underground burrows or dens for hiding, safety, etc.



Surely you'll concede that many animals burrow underground. Badgers, some foxes, prairie dogs, moles, meerkats, and even a kind of owl. They seem to exists fine in this below-ground darkness. It's called adaptation. There are kinds of birds that nest inside trees, in total darkness, and do just fine. Also, beavers live just fine inside their dams in nearly total darkness. Snakes also live in holes.

When, in my original post, I asked if there may be caverns under the pacific northwest, I simply meant that if there may be huge caverns like that, that remain unknown to us, how much more difficult would it be to find individual sasquatch burrows and dens scattered throughout the region that may be no bigger than your average living room.

That isn't accurate at all. In mountainous regions of Alaska bears actually prefer south-facing slopes, because they are the first to thaw and the first to grow green grass, which is their prefered first food after hibernation. In non-mountainous regions bears will hibernate under uprooted trees and even in shallow depressions in the ground.

One October (right after the first snowfall) a friend and I happened on a small black bear who had begun hibernation with his fanny sticking out from under an uprooted tree root.

Another friend found a hole in the ground during a moose hunt, and figured it was a bear den. He returned that winter by snowmobile, crawled into the hole, and shot the bear with a 10mm Colt Delta (yeah, he's crazy, but that's an old bear hunting tactic used by Alaska Natives). They caught hell pulling the thing out of the hole (the entrance was just a couple of feet across). It turned out to be a 7'3" black bear boar - one of the largest I've ever seen.

As for sasquatches and caves, there is a cave on Prince of Wales Island (Southeast Alaska) actually called Kushtaka Cave. Kushtaka is a name used by Natives in the area for sasquatch. Prince of Wales is well known for it's network of caves, and Robert Alley records at least one alleged sighting in just such a cave in "Raincoast Sasquatch".

But I agree with Randy; if used by sasquatches, it would likely be just the entrance areas, just like bears and other creatures use them.

Bigfoot sightings happen all over the world. If they did spend a lot of time under ground one would have been found by now I feel. We humans can not leave a hole un looked into. I know when ever I spend time where caves might be I always carry a flash light and at the least shine into them just to see if I see anything. Even if they done a very good job of covering the holes one would have been found by now chances are. Someone would have been walking along and stepped on a cover and known something was wrong and looked into it.
So I just do not by that Bigfoot would be hiding in holes all over the place. I have no problem at all in thinking that they would use a hole them found and could fit into as cover. I have no problem thinking that Bigfoot could spend some time in caves, But I do not think they would go very deep into them. No animal does unless they are built for it. Even Bats that lives in caves to not go all that deep into them unless a opening is not far away. I am been into a few caves (Around Southern Indiana) that has bats in them and after a short distance you no longer see the bats hanging. The one cave I know that holds the most bats has since been covered with a grate to keep people out of it. But what them fools did not do is go deep enough into the cave to find the 2 other ways into it :-) One is half way back up the hill behind a very big tree and it is a hole that a man can just crawl threw lol. I can and have still been into this cave after the gate was put up and the people who put the gate up have no clue. They put the gate there because the bats are a protected species (Indiana bat I think it is called) And live in this cave year round. But again only close to the ways in.
The area of this cave also has had a few Bigfoot reports happen around it over the years.
My point is here is a cave that has 3 different entries that I know of that is a very big and deep cave. I personally have been more than a mile into it and know others who have went a lot deeper into it. My father as a young man and some friends spent 3 days in there and figures they went over 2 miles into it. That was with a lot of crawling between places you can stand. The main "Mouth" of it you can walk for maybe 1/4 mile plus before you have to crawl under the first low place. I have never seen a Bat or anything else deeper than that first crawling spot. That is until you get to the other ways into it and around both of them you will also see bats and other things. Two of them are on GCBRO in green county Indiana. One sighting there is less than 1/2 mile from the main cave Mouth and the creek it is by in partly feed by the stream coming out of the cave.
The other sighting there is maybe 1 mile to 1 1/4 miles away as the crow flies but only one road between them. I could easily walk between them and cross that road unseen without never leaving the cover of woods but to cross the road.

Well anyway I just do not by that Bigfoots would be living underground. But hey who knows I have been wrong before and I am sure I will be wrong again :-)

LOL


Woodsy Windigo says, "Give a whoop! Don't polloop...er...pollute!"

The elephants in question do not use the caves via reasons of transportation from one point to another...

These individuals in question, known as the Elephants of Mount Elgon, only travel around 150 meters into the caves in question, so that they may take part in consuming the salt deposits found there...They -do not- use super powered low frequency communication in some manner of radar to get around, instead feeling their way as they use their sense of smell at the same time...They instead use their ability to communicate at low frequencies to reassure one another as they make their way into the area where the salt lies...Although unprecedented before, this still doesn't add anything to a debate concerning the idea of Bigfoot using caves to traverse distance, from one point to the other...

150 meters doesn't even equal 500ft...Considering the immense size of the cave in question (one that would be completely and utterly obvious to any passer by), the fact of an animal scenting salt (or anything for that matter) coming from it isn't surprising at all...One should realize that the vast majority of caves simply aren't that big (neither outside nor inside) to allow for the same to occur elsewhere...

Just curious, and I ask that noone take this question the wrong way, as it's not intended as such, but how many people here actively go spelunking or have some amount of experience underground?...

Ah...Well in that case, the idea of Bigfoot "denning" in caves for shelter doesn't seem unplausible at all...

Quite a few reports of sightings that would point to that idea in fact...

My favorite being of a hunter here in Tennessee whom took refuge in a cave mouth when a thunderstorm began rolling in...A few moments later, the man heard what he believed at first to be another hunter walking around the edge of the rock face, coming towards his own position, with the same idea...Then, as he turned to greet this new hunter, instead he was met with a large unknown cryptid who looked as shocked to see him as he was to see it...Supposedly, it stood there for a brief moment, the two individuals looking at one another, before it finally turned and took it's leave...

I've often wondered if (considering the sighting was indeed factual) the hunter inadvertantly may have run a Bigfoot away from his "den", never to let the poor animal return for fear of there being a home invader there...

<Raises hand. I have done my share of spelunking, Randy. I used to go a lot when I was younger, and I there are many places that I would like to go back to again. There is a hidden world down there. Many people do not realize what they are walking over, hidden under the ground beneath them. One of my favorite caves is in Castlewood, VA. We took wild tours of the cave on a couple of occasions, and still haven't explored every nook, cranny, and wormhole. The area around the main entrance is fascinating, and has probably been closed off from the public by now, as the creek ended in a large whirlpool where the water churned down into the ground right in the middle of the field. There was a fence around it to keep the cows out, but I can imagine what would happen if someone fell into it. The main entrance appears to be huge, but when you cross through the fence and make the long walk through the cow pasture and over to the huge hole in the bottom of the cliff, you are met with a dead-end at the back of what appears to be the main entrance. The first time we visited there, we were perplexed, as we had heard that the cave went for a long way underground, and it was a good one. Apparently the main entrance had closed off with silt years ago. Just by chance, we searched around the edge of the main entrance and found a low-hanging overhang that held the key to exploring the cave. This small, hidden wormhole was the only way to get into the system. After crawling through on our stomachs for about 100 yards across small to medium loose rocks, and through standing, shallow water, it opened up to a large cathedral-shaped hallway, with boulders that look like they could fall on you at any moment. Many had already fell and are laying on the floor, and you must crawl over them. This "hallway" ends at a large room, with a large crevasse in the far end. Across this large crevasse is a natural bridge, but it doesn't go anywhere but to the other side of the wall on the other side. You must then tie off and climb down into the crevasse for about 20 feet or so. Then, when at the bottom, at the far end of the crevasse, the cave continues. This is what we refer to as the "Spiral staircase". You follow a gouge in the rock and it seems as though you are actually cork-screwing down into the earth, through solid rock. The ceiling here is about 15-20 feet high all the way. At the bottom, the cave continues left, and the stalactites and mites are simply gorgeous. There is one place that we call the "Crystal ballroom", it is an offshoot room that is accessed by crawling through a "jail bar" set of stalactites/mites. The floor of the room is slanted upwards towards the ceiling, and is actually a flow of calcite, with the stalactites/mites being yellowish-clear calcite as well. When you shine your light on these formations, they glow like crystal. Sadly, many of these have been broken off and taken as souvenirs down through the years. Continuing on through the passages, there is one spot that apparently comes close to the underneath of the High School located above the hill where the cave entrance is. It is apparently an old sink hole that had closed up, because there is very old traces of trash where it had been thrown down there from years ago. One time we were in that spot resting, we could faintly hear kids playing above us, and we were a long, long way back into the cave, so we surmised that we were very close to the football field or track. There are many wormholes and offshoot passages that are very interesting, and no doubt some of them continue. Our stopping point in the cave is a large waterfall. You are already following the creek for a long way, up to your armpits in some places. You start to hear the waterfall as you come closer and closer. By the time you reach the waterfall, there is a ledge to walk upon so you don't have to wade the creek. Upon arriving at the waterfall, there is no apparent way to get up to the top of it, and this is the path that one must travel to continue in the cave. One of these days, I am going back to figure out how to proceed. I have been to many other local caves as well, and I know a lot of secret spots that are well off the map. I have seen a lot of interesting things in these caves around here. Like an expedition marking on a wall from 1947. I thoroughly enjoyed caving, and hope to get to go again in the near future.

Great post there Volsquatch.... you made me feel like I was there... and I'm quite closterphobic!!!

First post here! You are a great bunch of folks and have quite a civilized board that's I enjoy reading.

Like my "handle" implies, I, too am a caver and have been exploring caves for 15 years. The possibility that BF uses the entrance areas is plausible. Any other use, especially for movement or migration is not likely as others have said.

One thing I'd like to mention is that cavers are a vocal group and, like the BFF, we have our own forums, regional email lists, national and regional and local newsletters, etc. Never in all my years have I heard of a caver reporting seeing a BF (underground or above ground). It would seem to me that if BF frequented the caves regularly, that there would have been at least one chance encounter.

Another thing is the footprint issue. As has been pointed out here, footprints left in cave deposits can last for 1000s of years. We routinely see human prints in caves that we can date (by association with torch fragments) to over 4,000 years ago. It would then seem that any BF tracks would be preserved as well.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

Well after many days of not reading up on the posts I see that some wish to believe that Bigfoot could travel underground. What? Some secret underground passages that we dumb humans just haven't found yet? Hmm. OOOKKKK!! I know I am being a little sarcastic but please. The question was asked so I answered. Again. NO. I don't even want to go into the logistics of this. Has anyone EVER seen one traveling in a cave? What about droppings? Footprints? Well maybe they have sonar so they can get around without dropping into a hundred foot hole. Or something. I don't think they can vanish into thin air and I don't think they are aliens and no I don't think they have some secret underground system. Sorry if I have offended anyone.

live underground?
doubt it.

explore a cave for multiple entrances/exits?
tasty knowledge for a curious escape artist!

I've always thought them to be subterranean since a kid thinking of Trolls. Nowadays, I still give that belief some credit, but it seems the mere mention of underground BF's gets blown off by the experts.

For me, living underground and maybe spending a good deal of time in the canopy’s (to escape, rest) of some of our more densely pack forest seems to be one the more reasonable answers for why none have been caught, seen or filmed more often. Technology is improving to a point where just being elusive won’t quite cut the cheese IMO.

I think for them to travel underground regularly and over any great distance they would have to be actively constructing their own tunnels, otherwise they would be confined to natural caves/tunnels, which is quite limiting.

The idea of Sasquatch "dens" is feasable, after all, bears do the same.

Interesting idea: so-called Sasquatch "bowers" (shelters contructed of branches). It occurs to me one of the reasons we don't find skeletal remains would be that an aging Sasquatch might possibly pass away whilst sick or injured in his/her bower. Naturally the bower would eventually collapse around the body, both concealing it and maybe speeding up decomposition.

also: I've heard about this Andrews AFB footage too, supposedly the security personel pass the time by watching the BFs wandering around the remote areas of the base. Whether or not this is true I don't know, but certainly interesting.