Thanks Stoney and Jaylee. Many of the stories I found could just be crazy people, or even as you say, persons afflicted with that hirsute disease.
Sometimes though, specific details come up over and over that interest me. Things like large size, hair covering, ferocious aspect, incredible speed or strength. Often long sharp nails, or bright and unusual eyes are mentioned.
I am certainly not going to say they are sasquatch sightings, but post them just the same. I think having more background helps, as it shows the varied nature of human recollection.
Here are a few vague stories I found recently that could be anything. One thing I will say is that they did cause enough of a commotion to make the newspapers!
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Full Version: Amazing Historical Archives Found!
This is long overdue, but I finally got around to looking at the CD Scott sent me - it is simply beautiful.
I printed a copy of it out, put it in a ring binder, and spent a wonderful few days reading through the clippings.
If you haven't already done so, buy a copy of this CD from Scott - he has put in an extraordinary amount of work on this project, and it shows in the finished product.
Well done.
I printed a copy of it out, put it in a ring binder, and spent a wonderful few days reading through the clippings.
If you haven't already done so, buy a copy of this CD from Scott - he has put in an extraordinary amount of work on this project, and it shows in the finished product.
Well done.
Just want to add this story about Googling the National Archives
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Googling the National Archives
The search giant adds content from the U.S. National Archives to its video offering, and has a shot at getting its text too.
February 24, 2006
Search giant Google’s efforts to become a major supplier of video content over the Internet got a big boost Friday when it announced a pilot program with the U.S. National Archives to make historic movies and documentaries available online for free.
It’s the first time that the independent federal agency, which collects documents and materials generated by the federal government, will put its films on the Net. The move is in keeping with its decision to make its content more freely and widely available.
The program will offer 103 films from the collections at the archives, ranging from NASA documentaries, to motion picture films from the 1930s, as well as government newsreels. Among the footage available are a film of the first landing on the moon by astronauts in 1969 and a newsreel of the Japanese surrender to the allies during World War II.
“Our new strategic plan emphasizes the importance of providing access to records anytime, anywhere,” said Allen Weinstein, Archivist of the United States. “This is one of many initiatives that we are launching to make our goal a reality.”
Mountain View, California-based Google leads the search industry, fielding 40 percent of all search queries in the U.S. in December, according to comScore Media Metrix. Yahoo, which holds second place, represented 29.5 percent of searches.
But Google’s video efforts had been lackluster at best until it launched a video store earlier this year at the Consumer Electronics Show (see Yahoo, Google Add New Choices).
The Next Frontier
Video search is widely perceived as the next frontier that startups and Internet giants will fight over as increasing amounts of video and video ads make their way online. Forecasts expect video ad dollars to hit $1 billion by 2008 (see Online Video Ads Surging and Video Search’s Buried Treasure).
But the search giant has a chance of getting more than just video content from the archives. The two are talking about extending the relationship to “textual holdings.” And that might have a bigger payoff for Google down the road.
Putting the archives’ text holdings on the Internet could add more content—and more credibility—to Google’s Book Search project, formerly called Google Print, which has been mired in controversy from the very beginning (see Publishers Sue Google). While Google wants to scan and make searchable online the text of every book in the world, critics have argued such a plan would violate copyright laws.
A relationship with such a storied institution as the National Archives might help quiet at least some of the critics.
Of course this comes a bit late for Scott.
The search giant adds content from the U.S. National Archives to its video offering, and has a shot at getting its text too.
February 24, 2006
Search giant Google’s efforts to become a major supplier of video content over the Internet got a big boost Friday when it announced a pilot program with the U.S. National Archives to make historic movies and documentaries available online for free.
It’s the first time that the independent federal agency, which collects documents and materials generated by the federal government, will put its films on the Net. The move is in keeping with its decision to make its content more freely and widely available.
The program will offer 103 films from the collections at the archives, ranging from NASA documentaries, to motion picture films from the 1930s, as well as government newsreels. Among the footage available are a film of the first landing on the moon by astronauts in 1969 and a newsreel of the Japanese surrender to the allies during World War II.
“Our new strategic plan emphasizes the importance of providing access to records anytime, anywhere,” said Allen Weinstein, Archivist of the United States. “This is one of many initiatives that we are launching to make our goal a reality.”
Mountain View, California-based Google leads the search industry, fielding 40 percent of all search queries in the U.S. in December, according to comScore Media Metrix. Yahoo, which holds second place, represented 29.5 percent of searches.
But Google’s video efforts had been lackluster at best until it launched a video store earlier this year at the Consumer Electronics Show (see Yahoo, Google Add New Choices).
The Next Frontier
Video search is widely perceived as the next frontier that startups and Internet giants will fight over as increasing amounts of video and video ads make their way online. Forecasts expect video ad dollars to hit $1 billion by 2008 (see Online Video Ads Surging and Video Search’s Buried Treasure).
But the search giant has a chance of getting more than just video content from the archives. The two are talking about extending the relationship to “textual holdings.” And that might have a bigger payoff for Google down the road.
Putting the archives’ text holdings on the Internet could add more content—and more credibility—to Google’s Book Search project, formerly called Google Print, which has been mired in controversy from the very beginning (see Publishers Sue Google). While Google wants to scan and make searchable online the text of every book in the world, critics have argued such a plan would violate copyright laws.
A relationship with such a storied institution as the National Archives might help quiet at least some of the critics.
these articles are amazing. i've only read through about 1/3 of them and will probably break down and buy the cd. your work collecting them is commendable. not that you need any more work to do, but have you thought about plotting them out on a map and see how they overlap with more recent reports?
a couple things on the st. paul caves...and the two found in france.
here is an article from minnesota public radio about some teens who died in the same caves you were asking about. the falls and these caves are not that close together, although there are caves alll up and down sections of the mississippi. the wabasha street caves are some of the biggest and most well known. as the crow flies, the falls are about 10 miles from the wabasha caves. if you followed the course of the mississippi, it would be further. fort snelling is about midway between the two along the river.
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/feat..._ap_cavedeaths/
when i was in school, i read a book called 'the wild boy of averyon' by harlan lane about a deaf boy who had been left by his parents in the woods. it was quite common for children who were born with disabilities or deformities to be left in the woods. just watched the movie 'emmanuel's gift' (http://www.emmanuelsgift.com) and was surprised to learn it is still common practice in some places. searched for more information on the lane book and came across this:
http://www.feralchildren.com/en/index.php
a couple things on the st. paul caves...and the two found in france.
here is an article from minnesota public radio about some teens who died in the same caves you were asking about. the falls and these caves are not that close together, although there are caves alll up and down sections of the mississippi. the wabasha street caves are some of the biggest and most well known. as the crow flies, the falls are about 10 miles from the wabasha caves. if you followed the course of the mississippi, it would be further. fort snelling is about midway between the two along the river.
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/feat..._ap_cavedeaths/
when i was in school, i read a book called 'the wild boy of averyon' by harlan lane about a deaf boy who had been left by his parents in the woods. it was quite common for children who were born with disabilities or deformities to be left in the woods. just watched the movie 'emmanuel's gift' (http://www.emmanuelsgift.com) and was surprised to learn it is still common practice in some places. searched for more information on the lane book and came across this:
http://www.feralchildren.com/en/index.php
Thanks Paul, Tug and Autumn. I'm getting backed-up on posting my newest finds!
I'll start with these two Roger Patterson/Vance Orchard articles. I'd posted one in a different thread already, but I'll post it here too.
As for plotting these onto a map Autumn...I'm planning on making the stories more "fuctional" to look through. I'm talking to a code warrior friend of mine about creating a website as it'd be easier to update and I could also break out the stories into different "subjects" so to speak. I'll keep everyone posted. Updating the book before Pocatello might also be a priority!
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And here is the follow-up with Roger.
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I'll start with these two Roger Patterson/Vance Orchard articles. I'd posted one in a different thread already, but I'll post it here too.
As for plotting these onto a map Autumn...I'm planning on making the stories more "fuctional" to look through. I'm talking to a code warrior friend of mine about creating a website as it'd be easier to update and I could also break out the stories into different "subjects" so to speak. I'll keep everyone posted. Updating the book before Pocatello might also be a priority!
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And here is the follow-up with Roger.
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QUOTE(Tirademan @ Mar 28 2006, 07:01 PM) 
Updating the book before Pocatello might also be a priority!
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Are you saying you will have "hard-copies" for sale at the Rendevous. I know I want one.
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Well Tug, I'm going to try to make it up there, and if I do, I'll try to make some hardcopies available. I doubt that I'll have an updated version with the new additions though.
I have to calculate if I can afford to stay in "temporary retirement" into June and make it up there!
Here's an interesting story I found about South America whilst perusing the Library of Congress website.
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I have to calculate if I can afford to stay in "temporary retirement" into June and make it up there!
Here's an interesting story I found about South America whilst perusing the Library of Congress website.
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I found some really cool stuff the other day. Canada 1934, an amazing full-page article, and the original California expedition?
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OK, even though it's pretty beat up, this is an interesting very early Jerry Crew article, along with the photo and a local op-ed piece.
In light of the Wallace claims etc., and considering this initial report, if they faked anything, it seems they had their details down in 1958! Love the cartoon though! Anyone suggest a pogo-stick?
If you've got a copy of Big News Prints, there are two good follow-up articles from 1958 on page 74. One involves the two crew member's road-crossing sighting that followed these track finds. They're also posted in this thread...somewhere way back there!
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In light of the Wallace claims etc., and considering this initial report, if they faked anything, it seems they had their details down in 1958! Love the cartoon though! Anyone suggest a pogo-stick?
If you've got a copy of Big News Prints, there are two good follow-up articles from 1958 on page 74. One involves the two crew member's road-crossing sighting that followed these track finds. They're also posted in this thread...somewhere way back there!
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I'm getting way behind in posting new stuff!
Here's a couple more from the 60's. Not a lot of new info, but good to see nonetheless.
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Here's a couple more from the 60's. Not a lot of new info, but good to see nonetheless.
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And some more Patterson stuff. They mention it having a strong oder? This article must have been written before they showed the film in Vancouver, even though it was published after?
I'd posted several follow-ups to this 76 kidnap story earlier in this thread. This is the original story...they eventually concluded it was a hoax because she smelled too good.
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I'd posted several follow-ups to this 76 kidnap story earlier in this thread. This is the original story...they eventually concluded it was a hoax because she smelled too good.
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Loren Coleman had posted a story about Menehune tales from Hawaii on Cryptomundo. I'd never heard of them so thought I'd search...found some fluff pieces regarding them. Interesting artwork!
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Loren wondered about pre-WWII Menehune stories...I searched and found these two mentions.
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I found a couple of Jerry Crew articles today. One is a less beat-up, but slightly edited, version of an Oct. 5th Oakland article I'd previously posted.
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Found this yesterday, an early De Loys ape article. Gives some more detail than what I'd read before...
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OK, I've got 43 more stories lined up and ready to post! 
Good thing I just got DSL! (which is REALLY helping me find more!)
But most will have to wait as I'm getting ready for Idaho.
On that note, here's a start with an Idaho theme (this event had been mentioned in a previous news story, but without the detail) and a tough puzzle from Kansas for the skeptics that prompted Mark Twain's "The Wild Man Interviewed" attached. :popcorn2:
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Good thing I just got DSL! (which is REALLY helping me find more!)
But most will have to wait as I'm getting ready for Idaho.
On that note, here's a start with an Idaho theme (this event had been mentioned in a previous news story, but without the detail) and a tough puzzle from Kansas for the skeptics that prompted Mark Twain's "The Wild Man Interviewed" attached. :popcorn2:
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OK, one more for the Idaho folks before I get there! I don't know what it is about April 1 and sasquatch stories! 
This could be made up, but again, it has the same ring to it that most stories from that time period have...except for the hatchet in the forehead dead wild man part! :new_weirdsmiley:
Oh, and a good early encounter from Oregon...
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This could be made up, but again, it has the same ring to it that most stories from that time period have...except for the hatchet in the forehead dead wild man part! :new_weirdsmiley:
Oh, and a good early encounter from Oregon...
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Here's a few things I found at the Library of Congress website. One shows how "wild men" were generally well-known in the media and sideshows of the times (at least in fiction).
As an example, here is a 1925 serial reprinting of "The Valley of Voices" by George Marsh revolving around the mysterious Canadian Windigo. I'm not sure if I've got the energy to Photoshop the other 13 installments!
And the other is an interesting story about an orang that they call "Jacko." I found in my searches that Jacko was a name used quite often for apes in general. Notice the mention of it lighting a fire!
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As an example, here is a 1925 serial reprinting of "The Valley of Voices" by George Marsh revolving around the mysterious Canadian Windigo. I'm not sure if I've got the energy to Photoshop the other 13 installments!
And the other is an interesting story about an orang that they call "Jacko." I found in my searches that Jacko was a name used quite often for apes in general. Notice the mention of it lighting a fire!
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And a couple classic "lion" hunts.
I add these as some of the facts in the cases are interesting to me...49 inch stride, four toes with claws, parts a dog wouldn't eat. etc. etc. I realize they mention a tail, but it doesn't sound clear that they actually saw that or not. Who knows...
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I add these as some of the facts in the cases are interesting to me...49 inch stride, four toes with claws, parts a dog wouldn't eat. etc. etc. I realize they mention a tail, but it doesn't sound clear that they actually saw that or not. Who knows...
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He threw a tire iron at it! :new_weirdsmiley:
...and does anyone feel like tracking down this purported California bigfoot PHOTO from 1968?!
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...and does anyone feel like tracking down this purported California bigfoot PHOTO from 1968?!
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Daniel Perez had recently found this Nov. 5 article by Al Tostado and reasoned he was the author of the original story. Chris Murphy had that original clipping as well. I cleaned it up, added mastheads, and re-typeset the article that Daniel found. Here they are, along with a Vance Orchard article of the same time period.
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OK, continuing on with the Patterson theme...here's some stuff I found that came right after their film. I'll try to post what I have in chronological order. Be aware though, that I've already posted a bunch of Patterson articles. These are just recent additions to the pile! Daniel Perez caught what I overlooked...that this is David of Hancock House fame.
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ps- I already see that I've gotten ahead of myself...I've got a few more 1967 stories to post!
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ps- I already see that I've gotten ahead of myself...I've got a few more 1967 stories to post!
More on the Patterson/Gimlin film.
Thanks to Jerry Riedel (tugboatwa) for some of these...I finally got to them Jerry!
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Thanks to Jerry Riedel (tugboatwa) for some of these...I finally got to them Jerry!
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Awesome.
Thanks Lu.
Here's some more California stuff from the late 50s and early 60s...great cartoon!
I'll post a REALLY interesting set of articles from 1964 tomorrow.
The pint glass is calling...
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Here's some more California stuff from the late 50s and early 60s...great cartoon!
I'll post a REALLY interesting set of articles from 1964 tomorrow.
The pint glass is calling...
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OK, here are those California articles from 1964 as promised! Samuel Brewer would be 81 years old...I wonder if his kids still have those footcasts? Also an early desert sasquatch story!
Happy 4th! :flagusa:
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Happy 4th! :flagusa:
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More articles courtesy of Jerry Riedel (tugboatwa)...one about Grover, thanks Tug! :eek3dance:
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These are the rest of the new California finds.
An interesting series from 1927...where a wild man is faster than a deer or rabbit (while barefoot), but alas, is only an insane prospector!
...or maybe a nude professor!
And kind of a strange cat tail...pun intended! Feet as big as pie tins?..that is a big cat! :new_weirdsmiley:
And a nice Peter Bryne article with original art!...I want to see that PHOTO!?!?
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ps- Bigfootdad is camping with his family in Pinecrest (site of the dump story) this weekend! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
An interesting series from 1927...where a wild man is faster than a deer or rabbit (while barefoot), but alas, is only an insane prospector!
...or maybe a nude professor!
And kind of a strange cat tail...pun intended! Feet as big as pie tins?..that is a big cat! :new_weirdsmiley:
And a nice Peter Bryne article with original art!...I want to see that PHOTO!?!?
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ps- Bigfootdad is camping with his family in Pinecrest (site of the dump story) this weekend! :new_thumbsupsmileyanim:
dbdonlon wondered if I'd come across any more 1924 Ape Canyon WA stories that weren't in my book. Thanks to his prodding, I did a narrow search and came up with some new and interesting stuff. Nung-Nungs? Two different descriptions of ears. The one story was reprinted in many newspapers so I included a few of the headlines that went with it. Here you go...
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OK here's the deal. In my opinion these news articles from the past are pretty overwhelming to say the least.
It is obvious to me that either the average "Scientist" whether they be a self described "Saskeptic" or whatever, is either in denial of such articles, or they simply refuse to read them.
The common threads that run through the articles, describe BF's to a tee as the average encounter that occurs today would be described. The commonalities cannot be dismissed.
Often persons in denial describe the BF phenomenon as an invention of society, in which the members of society themselves invent the idea of BF in an effort to feel that there are still in fact mysteries out there.
Well it appears, that this invention has existed since before the inception of this country. When automobiles and automatic coffee makers were as much a mystery as the idea of bigfoot.
Once again, the Scientist adheres to the idea that the simplest explanation is the best, only when it fits what they choose to believe, or fear to believe.
Thoughts?
P.S. Tirademan continues to deliver. Kudos. These finds definately do not get the attention that they deserve, as always.
It is obvious to me that either the average "Scientist" whether they be a self described "Saskeptic" or whatever, is either in denial of such articles, or they simply refuse to read them.
The common threads that run through the articles, describe BF's to a tee as the average encounter that occurs today would be described. The commonalities cannot be dismissed.
Often persons in denial describe the BF phenomenon as an invention of society, in which the members of society themselves invent the idea of BF in an effort to feel that there are still in fact mysteries out there.
Well it appears, that this invention has existed since before the inception of this country. When automobiles and automatic coffee makers were as much a mystery as the idea of bigfoot.
Once again, the Scientist adheres to the idea that the simplest explanation is the best, only when it fits what they choose to believe, or fear to believe.
Thoughts?
P.S. Tirademan continues to deliver. Kudos. These finds definately do not get the attention that they deserve, as always.
QUOTE(nightscream @ Jul 8 2006, 09:46 PM)
OK here's the deal. In my opinion these news articles from the past are pretty overwhelming to say the least.
It is obvious to me that either the average "Scientist" whether they be a self described "Saskeptic" or whatever, is either in denial of such articles, or they simply refuse to read them.
The common threads that run through the articles, describe BF's to a tee as the average encounter that occurs today would be described. The commonalities cannot be dismissed.
Often persons in denial describe the BF phenomenon as an invention of society, in which the members of society themselves invent the idea of BF in an effort to feel that there are still in fact mysteries out there.
Well it appears, that this invention has existed since before the inception of this country. When automobiles and automatic coffee makers were as much a mystery as the idea of bigfoot.
Once again, the Scientist adheres to the idea that the simplest explanation is the best, only when it fits what they choose to believe, or fear to believe.
Thoughts?
P.S. Tirademan continues to deliver. Kudos. These finds definately do not get the attention that they deserve, as always.
It is obvious to me that either the average "Scientist" whether they be a self described "Saskeptic" or whatever, is either in denial of such articles, or they simply refuse to read them.
The common threads that run through the articles, describe BF's to a tee as the average encounter that occurs today would be described. The commonalities cannot be dismissed.
Often persons in denial describe the BF phenomenon as an invention of society, in which the members of society themselves invent the idea of BF in an effort to feel that there are still in fact mysteries out there.
Well it appears, that this invention has existed since before the inception of this country. When automobiles and automatic coffee makers were as much a mystery as the idea of bigfoot.
Once again, the Scientist adheres to the idea that the simplest explanation is the best, only when it fits what they choose to believe, or fear to believe.
Thoughts?
P.S. Tirademan continues to deliver. Kudos. These finds definately do not get the attention that they deserve, as always.
As an addition to my last post, I just wanted to clarify that I didn't want to sound adversarial, I think it came out that way.
I just wanted to mention that it seems that those that choose not to open their minds to the possibility or probability of the bigfoot phenomenon, seem to many times go out of their way to point out that which supports their view, than that which opposes it.
You will not find any news outlets, whether they be your local yocal Seattle news channel or a national news outlet, pointing out that 500 news articles dating back to the beginning of this country describe encounters with Sasquatches, whether they be described as "Wildmen" or something else as having been printed.
What you will find is that as soon as something happens that does not support the existence of Sasquatch's comes out, it appears in the news very quickly, as was the case when the alleged Manitoba hair was proven to be Bison. That particular story was published in a humorous light, and the fact that it was printed or mentioned at all illustrates my point.
How humorous are these dozens upon dozens of news articles dating back to past centuries, which describe numerous encounters with "Wildmen, covered in hair, huge in stature, and often screaming"!? They will receive no mention by the mainstream media I assure you, as humans are much more predictable than our aforementioned friends.
I just wanted to mention that it seems that those that choose not to open their minds to the possibility or probability of the bigfoot phenomenon, seem to many times go out of their way to point out that which supports their view, than that which opposes it.
You will not find any news outlets, whether they be your local yocal Seattle news channel or a national news outlet, pointing out that 500 news articles dating back to the beginning of this country describe encounters with Sasquatches, whether they be described as "Wildmen" or something else as having been printed.
What you will find is that as soon as something happens that does not support the existence of Sasquatch's comes out, it appears in the news very quickly, as was the case when the alleged Manitoba hair was proven to be Bison. That particular story was published in a humorous light, and the fact that it was printed or mentioned at all illustrates my point.
How humorous are these dozens upon dozens of news articles dating back to past centuries, which describe numerous encounters with "Wildmen, covered in hair, huge in stature, and often screaming"!? They will receive no mention by the mainstream media I assure you, as humans are much more predictable than our aforementioned friends.
Well, Nightscream, this thread is buried so deep here at Bigfoot Forums, they probably can't find these stories! :laugh: But I agree, I'd love it if skeptics/journalists/scientists would read through all the stories I found and comment on them in regards to whatever point it is that they're trying to make.
Here's another one for the record books...the first sasquatch novel? 1863.
I found the clipping below from 1892 and did a search online for the book. It turns out it's in the public domain and is available online to read! See the link below.
I went through it quickly and the premise is a bunch of trappers going to the Rockies to find the "Wild Man of the West." Interesting descriptions of the "man" in the novel. The start out 40 feet high, Paul Bunyan-like, and then bring it back down to "reality" as they continue their search. At one point they discuss their idea of what it is. "You mean he's not hairy all over?" Lots of hair, 8-10 feet tall...stuff like that. But, at the very end, it turns out he's _____ and it's a love story. :doh:
(blank left for those who don't want the ending totally spoiled!)
1863. The Wild Man of the West; a Tale of the Rocky Mountains
Robert Michael Ballantyne (1825-1894)
http://www.athelstane.co.uk/ballanty/wildmotw/wildmotw.htm
Author's Bio:
http://www.athelstane.co.uk/ballanty/ballabio.htm
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Here's another one for the record books...the first sasquatch novel? 1863.
I found the clipping below from 1892 and did a search online for the book. It turns out it's in the public domain and is available online to read! See the link below.
I went through it quickly and the premise is a bunch of trappers going to the Rockies to find the "Wild Man of the West." Interesting descriptions of the "man" in the novel. The start out 40 feet high, Paul Bunyan-like, and then bring it back down to "reality" as they continue their search. At one point they discuss their idea of what it is. "You mean he's not hairy all over?" Lots of hair, 8-10 feet tall...stuff like that. But, at the very end, it turns out he's _____ and it's a love story. :doh:
(blank left for those who don't want the ending totally spoiled!)
1863. The Wild Man of the West; a Tale of the Rocky Mountains
Robert Michael Ballantyne (1825-1894)
http://www.athelstane.co.uk/ballanty/wildmotw/wildmotw.htm
Author's Bio:
http://www.athelstane.co.uk/ballanty/ballabio.htm
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QUOTE(nightscream @ Jul 8 2006, 11:06 PM)
What you will find is that as soon as something happens that does not support the existence of Sasquatch's comes out, it appears in the news very quickly, as was the case when the alleged Manitoba hair was proven to be Bison. That particular story was published in a humorous light, and the fact that it was printed or mentioned at all illustrates my point.
Mm, I believe the hair was from the Teslin, Yukon, sightings. The sample turned out to be from a long-dead Wood Bison. Most of the stories tended to ignore that and make it appear the Tlingit can't tell a bipedal animal from a quadruped. Some people assumed the hair was planted.
Wood Bison were thought to be extinct at one time too:
http://www.yfwmb.yk.ca/comanagement/mgmtpl...an/history.html
I also find it interesting that the negative stories make the press nationwide, and almost instantly. And, it seems, "Bigfoot" maintains it's tabloid status for the majority of people.
Are cracks are starting to appear? Who knows? Investigators in the past thought scientific resolution was near too. A tough question, "What is resolution?" is what I took away from the Willie Preacher panel in Pocatello.
Here are some Texas and Oklahoma stories I found after Craig Woolheater asked me about my dirth of Texas finds. He had sent me these Arkansas stories a while back too...thanks Craig!
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Are cracks are starting to appear? Who knows? Investigators in the past thought scientific resolution was near too. A tough question, "What is resolution?" is what I took away from the Willie Preacher panel in Pocatello.
Here are some Texas and Oklahoma stories I found after Craig Woolheater asked me about my dirth of Texas finds. He had sent me these Arkansas stories a while back too...thanks Craig!
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QUOTE(Tirademan @ Apr 1 2005, 11:00 PM)
OK, I guess this Game Warden has got it all figured out... :doh:
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wolfman here! looked into this report. It's from my home town. So far nothing.
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QUOTE(Tirademan @ Apr 1 2005, 11:00 PM)
OK, I guess this Game Warden has got it all figured out... :doh:
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wolfman here! looked into this report. It's from my home town. So far nothing.
Thanks, Wolfman! That's an old one from 1926. You might want to see if your library has the local newspaper microfiche for that date and bracket around it, unless you've already tried that! There could be an earlier story about the girl's incident itself, but I'm guessing. Just sounded like the game warden came up with his own conclusion regardless of evidence.
Here's another one from Texas I just found last night...pretty early, 1850!
tirademan
OK, this time its the wild man of Navidad Texas...kind of strange story, sounds like a transient that they caught might be responsible for some of it...sorry this one is hard to read.
tirademan
ps- if anyone is interested, I've got black and white hardcopies of my book, Big News Prints, for sale at my website now:
http://www.mcclean.org
tirademan
ps- if anyone is interested, I've got black and white hardcopies of my book, Big News Prints, for sale at my website now:
http://www.mcclean.org
Here are some new finds from New York and New Jersey.
tirademan
tirademan
T-man, I gotta say thanks again. No doubt, you really have already made a lasting and significant contribution to this study. You must have the definitive work-in-progress collection/database of possible historical sightings anywhere. A continuous record of sightings throughout the country for the entire existence of the nation. All before this current era of study by all of us assorted fruits, nuts, and berries. I haven't bought this from you yet because I wanted the complete version, so just tell me when that is, ok? I'd prefer to pay you more for a book. Upon discovery, be prepared to sell the heck out of your collection.
Thanks sojouner, I'm not really sure when I'll do a second edition of the book. Since I'm self-publishing small quantities, they are expensive to make, which makes the price kind of high. If it gets bigger it will get more expensive and some people already balk at $30. I do know I'd basically have to start over with the layout, so it will take some serious effort as well.
Unfortunately, my first priority this fall will be to get a job! :new_whistle:
The book is nice because it is organized. I'd like to create a website that is too. Posting here has been great, but a site that contains regional breakdowns, with search capabilities built in, would really help. I could also add new stories much easier than updating a book! It's going to be a big project though, and I don't know when I'll get to that either.
Just so you know, the CD-R I'm selling does have 142 new stories on it that aren't in the book. The Big News Prints book on the CD-R is also in color and is in high resolution at 300dpi, so it will print out clean and not like the 72dpi .gif files posted here, if you're so inclined to do it yourself.
Here are a couple of odd early "gorilla suit" photos I found at the Library of Congress and the related information that came with them. Gorillas picking lettuce in Oregon?
tirademan
Sunflower carnival parade
Poley, H. S. (Horace Swartley)
CREATED/PUBLISHED
1898.
SUMMARY
Sunflower (Flower) Carnival Parade, Colorado Springs, Colorado: two people wear animal costumes inside a cage on top of a horse drawn wagon, a banner reads: "Gorilla of Darwin Fame." Spectators with wagons and bicycles line the street.
NOTES
Title supplied by cataloger.
Inked on negative: "77."
SUBJECTS
Parades & processions--Colorado--Colorado Springs--1890-1900.
Another Gorilla suit photo 1934
Lettuce Field with a man in a gorilla suit, Kent, 1934
Title: Lettuce Field with a man in a gorilla suit, Kent, 1934
Photographer: Clark's Photo Studio
Date: 1934
Caption: The gorilla costume was for promotion of the Kent Lettuce Festival. In the Kent Advertiser-Journal (May 31, 1934): 'Publicity Ape named "Bertha," a valuable lettuce field worker.'
Description: two people, one dressed as an ape, standing in a lettuce field. The field is in front of a house.
Also known as 'White River Gardens.'
Notes: The proprietor of Clark's Photo Studio was L.W. Clark (Lloyd W. Clark). [Note taken from R.L. Polk & Co.'s King County Directory, 1911-12.]
Unfortunately, my first priority this fall will be to get a job! :new_whistle:
The book is nice because it is organized. I'd like to create a website that is too. Posting here has been great, but a site that contains regional breakdowns, with search capabilities built in, would really help. I could also add new stories much easier than updating a book! It's going to be a big project though, and I don't know when I'll get to that either.
Just so you know, the CD-R I'm selling does have 142 new stories on it that aren't in the book. The Big News Prints book on the CD-R is also in color and is in high resolution at 300dpi, so it will print out clean and not like the 72dpi .gif files posted here, if you're so inclined to do it yourself.
Here are a couple of odd early "gorilla suit" photos I found at the Library of Congress and the related information that came with them. Gorillas picking lettuce in Oregon?
tirademan
Sunflower carnival parade
Poley, H. S. (Horace Swartley)
CREATED/PUBLISHED
1898.
SUMMARY
Sunflower (Flower) Carnival Parade, Colorado Springs, Colorado: two people wear animal costumes inside a cage on top of a horse drawn wagon, a banner reads: "Gorilla of Darwin Fame." Spectators with wagons and bicycles line the street.
NOTES
Title supplied by cataloger.
Inked on negative: "77."
SUBJECTS
Parades & processions--Colorado--Colorado Springs--1890-1900.
Another Gorilla suit photo 1934
Lettuce Field with a man in a gorilla suit, Kent, 1934
Title: Lettuce Field with a man in a gorilla suit, Kent, 1934
Photographer: Clark's Photo Studio
Date: 1934
Caption: The gorilla costume was for promotion of the Kent Lettuce Festival. In the Kent Advertiser-Journal (May 31, 1934): 'Publicity Ape named "Bertha," a valuable lettuce field worker.'
Description: two people, one dressed as an ape, standing in a lettuce field. The field is in front of a house.
Also known as 'White River Gardens.'
Notes: The proprietor of Clark's Photo Studio was L.W. Clark (Lloyd W. Clark). [Note taken from R.L. Polk & Co.'s King County Directory, 1911-12.]
Here are some more early East Coast stories...a little wildman captured...wow!
tirademan
tirademan
A couple more in no particular order...Canada 1892 gorilla seven feet high? hmmmm...
tirademan
tirademan
QUOTE(Tirademan @ Jun 27 2004, 11:05 PM)
Hello all, I think I've found a huge historical archive...And I think I've only scratched the surface!
How's this for a story? 1839 Captured 8' 3" Wildman with 2 "cubs!"
It's one of the most historically interesting stories I found, and one of the oldest. Sorry, but the left margin was cut off to start with (of course!) Maybe someone can access the Boston Times archives around this date? Read the DETAILS of what it looks like! WOW! I've found SEVERAL stories of captured wildmen from the around the country 1800s with interesting descriptions and will share them as well.
I may need to create a web page to show them all. (Unfortunately my 100 year old grandmother passed away on Saturday and I'll be occupied this week at her funeral in Wisconsin.)
Even though they "prove" nothing, the do show how far back these stories go and how they describe truely similar events across many years. I even found one where "a student" was speculated to haved donned a robe to scare people, and was "lucky he wasn't shot by the monster hunters!"
tirademan
How's this for a story? 1839 Captured 8' 3" Wildman with 2 "cubs!"
It's one of the most historically interesting stories I found, and one of the oldest. Sorry, but the left margin was cut off to start with (of course!) Maybe someone can access the Boston Times archives around this date? Read the DETAILS of what it looks like! WOW! I've found SEVERAL stories of captured wildmen from the around the country 1800s with interesting descriptions and will share them as well.
I may need to create a web page to show them all. (Unfortunately my 100 year old grandmother passed away on Saturday and I'll be occupied this week at her funeral in Wisconsin.)
Even though they "prove" nothing, the do show how far back these stories go and how they describe truely similar events across many years. I even found one where "a student" was speculated to haved donned a robe to scare people, and was "lucky he wasn't shot by the monster hunters!"
tirademan
tirademan,
What happened to Mr Lincoln's and his specimans? If he submitted them for scientific examination as the article suggests, why weren't these animals classified and why are we still looking for bigfoot? Did you ever find anything else relative to this story? I suppose the answer is obviouse because we still trying to prove our collective case. I was curious as to your thoughts?
QUOTE(tims @ Jul 24 2006, 04:23 PM)
What happened to Mr Lincoln's and his specimans? If he submitted them for scientific examination as the article suggests, why weren't these animals classified and why are we still looking for bigfoot? Did you ever find anything else relative to this story? I suppose the answer is obviouse because we still trying to prove our collective case. I was curious as to your thoughts?
Tim, that is one of the best/worst stories I've found! Best in terms of detail, worst in terms of when it came out! It was published on April 1, 1839. BUT, I will say that none of the other stories on the page with it were of an "April Fools" nature.
So, is it real? Who knows, but I've not done an exhaustive search for follow-up stories at the Boston Public library. That is where my friend found the original unedited story. It was reprinted in other newspapers later as news, so that also seems to indicate it wasn't a joke, but follow-up would be great. I live in L.A., so it's not possible for me to do it.
You can read the unedited version from The Boston Times on page 26 of this thread. Post #635.
And just to keep this thread complete, here are some Florida stories I should post here.
tirademan
Here's a 1969 Minnesota Iceman article I found recently that I know people will like.
It might even make people fight! :eek3dance:
tirademan
ps- I'm a Packer fan, sorry Bipto!
http://www.packerpalace.com
It might even make people fight! :eek3dance:
tirademan
ps- I'm a Packer fan, sorry Bipto!
http://www.packerpalace.com
Here are a couple of interesting stories. One recounts the Winsted CN flap of 1895 and claims it was fiction with some great illustrations. I'm not so sure after reading what I'd found earlier (posts #166 & #167 in this thread). Also, Bobbie Short's site, www.bigfootencounters.com has links to 2 other related stories.
And a golden, er goose, and a grey ghost attacks!
tirademan
And a golden, er goose, and a grey ghost attacks!
tirademan
QUOTE(Tirademan @ Jul 14 2006, 04:57 AM)
QUOTE(wolfman @ Jul 13 2006, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE(Tirademan @ Apr 1 2005, 11:00 PM)
OK, I guess this Game Warden has got it all figured out... :doh:
tirademan
wolfman here! looked into this report. It's from my home town. So far nothing.
Thanks, Wolfman! That's an old one from 1926. You might want to see if your library has the local newspaper microfiche for that date and bracket around it, unless you've already tried that! There could be an earlier story about the girl's incident itself, but I'm guessing. Just sounded like the game warden came up with his own conclusion regardless of evidence.
Here's another one from Texas I just found last night...pretty early, 1850!
tirademan
Don't worry abou it Wolfman...at least you're looking! I'd keep trying the library.
I'll check again too for more CN finds...in the meantime, here's some others.
tirademan
I'll check again too for more CN finds...in the meantime, here's some others.
tirademan
Here are some more Canadian stories...a nice full page of Weetekow for you!
tirademan
tirademan
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