These are a little hard to read...oh well.

Snakewoman...

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1884 Iowa...Wild Woman seen...unearthly scream, hair black as jet...

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1958...Yeti steals a rubber boot!

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1892 An Uncanny Monster...Monkey face, nine feet tall, 15" footprints...where have I heard these things before?



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Tiradman, I just want you to know how much I enjoy this thread. The archives are awsome! I really enjoy the ones from GA. There was a post earlier in the thread about cows being eaten in Bridgeborro GA . I have heard some of the stories of the Bridgeborro monster growing up and I never thought it was reported in the news. Very cool! Keep em coming!

Well, it's kind of amazing how much stuff I've seemed to have missed!

Roger, I did find some interesting Patterson stuff...and I'll keep looking!

Based on what I can glean from these articles...it seems that it first appeared on TV in this special in 1974.

Here's a great ad from Roger's original tour (?)

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Here's the first showing of this Rod Serling TV special in 1974...

I believe they are referring to the Patterson film.

Interesting note about a track hoaxer!

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And a follow-up showing in 1977 that illustrates just how popular the original showing was!

Anyone want to guess as to this photo? Wallace?

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Thanks Mike! If you read through these newspaper stories, it seems that just about EVERY kind of behavior is noted! Something I find very cool, as it tends to disarm the skeptics IMHO!

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Attaboy Tirademan! (I believe this is only my third "attaboy" post.)

I will e-mail the Smithsonian & NBC and ask if the publicity press releases or advertising for this show claimed that it would be the first TV showing of the Patterson footage. But I'll wait a week first, because I suspect you will uncover a clipping reporting this claim, which would save me the trouble of composing the e-mail, and spare the recipients the trouble of researching this topic in their archives.

It makes sense that Patterson would have waited until the value of the film-showing rights had been exhausted (and sold to someone else!) before he devalued them completely by selling the TV rights. It also makes sense that this show wouldn't have received such high ratings if it hadn't been able to tempt viewers with the promise of never-before-shown-on-TV footage that 99% of the audience hadn't seen in a theater. But I want to find an explicit claim made that this was so.

Then it'll be up to Long & Morris to provide evidence that this wasn't the case--we won't have any reason to simply take their word for it. The burden of proof will be on them. They'll have to examine the logs of the Charlotte TV News broadcasts.

Perhaps a clip from the film was shown at the Yakima station--and only the Yakima station--prior to 1974, as described in Long's book, pp. 328-30. Patterson might have wanted to make an exception to his policy of keeping the film under wraps, in order to prove to his neighbors that he'd been right. (And, BTW, despite the context Long put around KIMA-TV employee Robert Clem's responses, Clem indicated to me that he couldn't put a date on when the film was shown. He doesn't remember it being October, and never told Long that it was.)

PS--About the hoaxster: This was Rant Mullens, presumably, or maybe Harry Truman. Note that he made tracks with his crude carvings in SNOW, a point debunkers like to omit. (One of Stanton Friedman's "Four Tactics of UFO Debunkers" is this: "What the public doesn't know, I'm not going to tell them.") Experienced BF investigators would not have been fooled by Mullens' tracks, and Believers generally place little credence in snow-made tracks, except for ones with long strides (surely lacking in Mullens' case), stepped-over fences, and other supporting evidence.

OK, more on the Patterson film showing. This is a preview article, 5 days before the special.

This one does say "make their debut" and Peter Bryne will "present the film footage..."

I guess Peter may be a good source to ask about this.

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Two years later, a film.

"Parker 8mm film?"

Is he referring to the Patterson film?

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Here are ads from that film...

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And a year later it hits the TV...

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About the same time, Florida takes note...

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This book review is interesting as I have this book! This is the only other place I've seen it mentioned, other than a review clipping that was in the book when I bought in online...

Also, this article was printed in conjunction with another WA 1982 story featuring Grove Krantz that I'd already posted.

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This is a man in a suit... but not produced by Marx. The show had costume clad people for re-enactments of sightings and to show what the creatures did.

OK, found some more on the early seventies stuff!

Another Patterson film ad!

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And another movie ad of the time!



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More info on the Myths ratings...

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Seems there was a rash of Pennsylvania sightings in 73...

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Similar article on the PA sighting...

...had a bead on it!

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And an article that was mostly about UFOs (which I cut out), but it did mention the upcoming 74 Myths special and the 73 PA sightings...

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Bigfoot trap!

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I'd posted this Marx film article before, but I found another which included some actual local sightings related in it...the entire right hand column you see here. So it makes Marx seem more legit!

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This is good info. I'm trying to obtain a videotape of this show. If anyone has a copy of the show, would they please view it and report if a "first-time-shown-on-TV" claim was made on tape--and would they be willing to sell me a copy of it?

I want to see if the voice-over or narrator claims that the PG Film is being shown for the first time on TV. (Except for exposure on the news in Yakima to prove to Patterson's neighbors that they were wrong to doubt him.) If so, that would expose Morris's dramatic account of his viewing it a mere three months (at most) after his selling the suit to be a super-size embellishment (at best), and open the door to speculation as to how many other such "garnishes" he's piled onto his narrative. Indeed, it will open the door to speculation as to whether his narrative is ALL "garnish," and ZERO "beef." "One lie spoils 1000 truths."

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It's interesting that Lumberjacks, one of the few occupational groups that systematically indulged itself in this sort of extravagant mythologizing, apparently did not count Bigfoot among their Legends. I guess one could argue the implication of that either way.

Dr. Bob Walls wrote his thesus on just the topic - Sasquatch and the Logging Subculture.

It's also interesting that in the logging community here, past and present, there were was no mythologizing other than what some men could do with their fists and muscle or how good a team of horses were. American history and mythology has always included things bigger than life where as Canadian history appears to be the facts and nothing but the facts. Consequently, American history is much more readable and interesting to those not generally interested in things as important as history. It's fascinating and again I think, a matter of culture.

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I think DDA might have a copy? (sorry if I'm being presumptuous DDA!) Of course, I'm just guessing becuase of your comment about the "gorilla suit photo" in that previous post...

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SOME GREAT FINDS.

Just goes to show you that the documented sightings have been happening long long before the Patterson film. Despite all the effort by some to try to prove that the film was a hoax, they still can't explain what these people were seeing and why the descriptions sound so much like a sasquatch.

I just found an online source who's sold and shipped me a VHS tape for $15. Unfortunately the other online source that offers this tape hasn't updated his trade list for four years, and hasn't responded to my e-mail, but he's the one with a dozen other Bigfoot items.

TM: On another thread you've posted lumberjack's stories of critters with gorilla-like faces. But the rest of their behavior is obviously a deliberate tall tale and Mythic, not realistic--and not reflective of BF behavior.

DDA: You posted a mention of a book or thesis on Bigfoot among lumberjacks. Is this item for sale anywhere, or posted online? If not, what (in brief) is its "take" on this matter?

And I just keep finding more...

An interesting Yosemite "sound" report from 1956...

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(SnoChoJoe I haven't forgot about getting you the PDFs...)

1946 Tennessee...force a square peg into a round hole.

A 100lb red dog roaring like a lion and preying on livestock?

Sasquatch, they're out there, they're real!

Just think of all the history that will have to be reconsidered!

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And a nice bedtime story from 1936 to read to your kids...especially if you believe in the "wildman."

It's also interesting to note he was made fun of BECAUSE he believed it was a "normal" animal making the screaming sounds!

Wonder what the tracks were...I'll guess I'll have to search for the next episode!

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What? Someone say something? I thought I heard my name...

HA!

OK, so I found the next two Bedtime Story episodes...I can "Photochop" them and post them if anyone wants me to...but the ending sucks though, unless you're a skeptic!

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Please do! I love this stuff!

OK, the last two episodes of the "Bedtime Story"

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The end of the "mystery." I won't spoil the ending but...

Something about the display of fright (even by a dog) and the "answer" don't line up to me!

Even though it's fiction and is just a kid's story, it has the same kind of tone that scoftics sometime use...look for any reason except Sasquatch! I wonder why?

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Unfortunately, I think the scoftics will actually point to these old accounts and try to use them to bolster their claims.

They'll argue that since these newspaper accounts have been available to the public for a long time, it's "no surprise" that people use the same descriptions. Or that hoaxers "know what to do."

One thing scoftics forget about (and why I laugh at the idea of Bob H. "learning and doing a special walk") is, what are these hoaxers trying to imitate if not a real animal? Someone's fictional suggestion?

Again, to the scoftic, any solution is better than the obvious...that Sasquatch is real.

I say Occam's Razor cuts deep.

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And another dose of consistency from 1922...Naturita Valley Colorado

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OK, I guess this Game Warden has got it all figured out... :doh:

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"A check of neighboring insane asylums and circuses disclosed no missing inmates or animals."

Amazing!


Thanks for these articles Tirademan. This is one of my favorite threads.

Thanks JayleeD...here's a couple more I found yesterday.

IL 1949, Gooseville Monster, detemined posse, looks like a bear, and a giant bird to boot!

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Tibet 1959, Mi-Gyo, mummified corpse of a Snowman Baby...

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I wasn't going to post this story, but it seems kind of appropriate in regards to the "Sissy Scientist" thread...it's from the Atlanta Constitution 1902.

Agasi the giant gets outwitted by the Planduc...an old tale from Indonesia.

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OK, here's an interesting one...1870's, Mark Twain "interviews" the Wild Man of Kansas!

Interesting physical description...seems like the papers had it right!

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And a Swiss team follows Shipton's path...1952

...along with another "capture account!"

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I'd skipped posting this one in the past, but upon re-reading it, I realized only one woman claimed it was a "man."

Multiple sightings and the authorities went tracking with dogs...

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OK, these 3rd party accounts are a little frustrating! Huge monster killed, OR, 1870

This one is also a little sad...I'm not too into traps...

And this is either a Sasquatch story with some wrong details or the worlds largest wolverine/badger/? story with some wrong details!

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