Nothing to see here...just a bear...

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And another general article like the previous...interesting notes about earlier tracks though...

Those wooden feet certainly got around!

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OK, Daniel Perez sent me these 2 clippings by way of "burned out Xerox"...so they're kind of hard to read.

BUT...in trying to confirm these via the Newspaper Archives website, I discovered that my "Corporate Firewall VS. Newspaper Archives" code problem has gone away spontaneously! This means I am back to accessing the site and can find new stuff!

...AND I found about 8 stories related to the rash of "escaped ape" sightings in Ohio in the early 1930's that are related to what Daniel sent me.

These first two he sent are pretty hard to read. I'll start cleaning up what I found tomorrow!

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And the other...

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OK, I found 13 stories related to a 3-year rash of sightings in Ohio when I searched for the stories Daniel had sent me.

Those "dang escaped apes from the traveling circus'" strike again!

Here they are in order...1930 to 1932

"..large ape..."

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"Huge animal...lumbered away..."

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...Sheriff places little credence in the existance of the ape...



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...Huge ape...tracks found...

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...stump torn apart...

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...large gray animal...peculiar style of RUNNING...

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...dog would not attack it...

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...animal ENTERING THE HOUSE through the back door!...

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OK, these next two are GREAT! A year later...

The typical "LOOK FOR AN NEW ANSWER" when the one encountered doesn't feel right!

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Ahhh, Bob H., the early days!!!

Once again, look for a "real answer" when you don't like the existing one...



"...certain members of the group insisted it really was an ape..."

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Oops, this one was supposed to come before the "fur coat in the Apple tree" story...Aug 11

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...fences torn apart...chain around neck?

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And the last one I found regarding these Ohio 1930's sightings.

It was amazing how much I found when searching a specific date/keyword, like "escaped ape + 1930-1933" that I didn't come across before.

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Peter's exped...1971

Is that a backpack?

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Kill or not to kill...even on TV it's a divider!

But wait, almost ends in tragedy? Do I smell a costume? Bob H.?



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1960...Sir Edmund and philosophic musings regarding the existence of Yeti...

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1960...Sir Edmund and the 1,000 pound problem...

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1961...Sir Edmund and the hard-headed men of science!

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Well, this is a surprise to me. I assumed all the bf researchers on these boards had already seen these archives??

1911, a Colorado "Weir Wolf" lurks...

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1950, Illinois..."huge mysterious animal...nightly raids...50 dead animals...badly slashed carcasses...awful roar"

Yep, sounds like Sasquatch!

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OK, these next two are not really Sasquatch related, but I thought they were timely based on the chimp attack story and the continuing "suit mess."

This first one attests to the danger of keeping creatures against their will...it's from 1913

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Looks like the bent-knee suit technique was known well before Bob H.!

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Alright, these next two are hard to read, but I think they're important in gaining perspective on people "finding solutions" to unknown problems.

Also, the 3rd hand nature of many of these accounts allows for their easy dismissal...IMHO.

The Rev. says it's a groundhog, but R.B Gauley stands by his story!

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The original Bob H!

A Deacon in a Buffalo coat and red stage whiskers suffers buckshot in his rubber boots...all to keep his berries safe?

And a $2000 reward goes up in smoke...

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There sure were a lot of escaped apes and wildmen around in Ohio in the 20's!

The 3rd hand nature of this one is without much substance alas...man or beast?

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Now this one is a more straightforward account...and consistent in the "common details"

"appeared to be well-fed and at home in the woods"

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Found a few more today that I will hopefully get to tomorrow.

This one was interesting...1852...Sasquatch in Panama...well, OK a "wild man" yeah, I know...

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Kind of like this wild man. The woods were full of them!

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I found several more of the "typical" wild man stories...

Some of these were pretty beat up so I had to re-touch them...

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Another capture? These old 3rd hand accounts usually seem a little "off" to me.

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a small red blanket....

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Another...wild man.

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And another...

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...and the now typical "dogs under the bed" routine!

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This one is a little hard to read, but a good one...it's got a sense of humor about it.

Handled a 10-foot stick like a pipestem and hurled a 100lb rock!

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1924...An account of the Ape Canyon story.

"...trick of throwing their voices!"

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1889...I didn't know a hoax could eat a dog!

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1921...more of those dang wild men in the swamps...

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1889...wild boy captured...Texas

"They could see that it had a human face, though the brown body was covered with long, tangled hair, and the nails of the feet and hands so long and curved as to be claws."

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Mysterious apes from nowhere...nothing to see here...move along...

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Tirademan: I just realized there's one small but important item you should be on the lookout for, regarding the PG Film. It is little a notice anywhere of the broadcast of the PG Film on TV. Some newspapers carry summaries of the content of the previous day's TV highlights, or anyway have a columnist who comments on the prior day's highlights, and/or who previews the current day's upcoming material. A remark on the PG film might be only a sentence or two in length. Such summaries or commentaries aren't common, but I remember having seen a few from time to time.

If, as Long and Morris claim, a highlight from Patterson's film was shown in news broadcasts in Yakima and Charlotte NC, that implies it was made available to stations nationwide. Thus at least one newspaper in the country should have made a mention of when these showings were occurring. This would then establish a date when these were first shown. Long quotes Morris as having seen the TV sequence in October, and implies that the film was shown in that month by the Yakima TV station too. That seems awfully fast to me--and somewhat unlikely behavior by a person who was hoping to entice audiences to pay to see the film. Loren Coleman has stated that it would not have been technically possible for the film to have been distributed to TV stations before December.

I've tried to nail this down as follows: I contacted a museum in Yakima that has a clipping file of unusual doings in their area, but I turned up a blank there. I've also drawn a blank with ex-employees of the Yakima TV station, and with two e-mails to the Yakima TV station & one to the Charlotte TV station. If no clippings can be found for a broadcast of the film in Oct., but only later (hopefully much later), that would put a dent in Morris's credibility (it would establish that he was willing to embroider things in the interest of improving the drama of his story, since he claimed he definitely remembered it was October, only a couple of months after he'd shipped the suit)--and in Long's investigative "chops."

Roger, if you look at this very thread, on the bottom of PAGE 11, you will see the early stuff I found on Patterson and the film. Unfortunately, it does seem to confirm that the film was AT LEAST talked about in the media October 27th (see Wisconsin clipping about snow-woman) and then Sanderson mentions actually VIEWING the film in NYC the week of November 25th.

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ps-let me know if there is anything else I should search for...!

Thanks, I'll go searching. Unfortunately your "page 11" won't match mine, because I'm only up to 10 pages in this thread, having configured my settings to send me the longest possible "pages" (since I have broadband).

A mention of the filming in the press on Oct. 27 would be natural, since Patterson had "told the world" on the 20th. The question is, Was his film broadcast throughout the nation on News programs within ten days? Coleman says it's impossible.

As for Sanderson's viewing the film in NYC on Nov. 27, that was as part of a private screening, I think, not as something he watched on the Nightly News. What I'm very curious to find is when the first mention of a TV broadcast of the film occurred.

EDIT: I've located the Sanderson 11/25 article, which contains the following statement (near the top of col. 2):

That suggests that neither the film nor stills from it had been released to the public prior to that date. Even a novice would have known not to give away a valuable image that he later hoped to sell. And surely those who advised Patterson at DeAtley's house in Oct. 22 and thereafter (Green & Dahinden) would have told him not to let broadcasters have his film without paying for it. It would be good to hear Green's comments on what Patterson's intentions were about licensing his film, and whether he'd have been likely to give it away to News programs.

Another point: Why would experts at NYC's Museum of Natural History and the Bronx Zoo and the Smithsonian bother to attend "private screenings" if they'd seen it the month before on TV?

If it turns out, as I suspect, that the PGF wasn't shown on TV for at least five years, and then not on News broadcasts but only on specials like "In Search of," Morris's halo will drop down around his neck, where it belongs. But we have to "nail this down" with documentation to make an impact on the mainstream researchers who are monitoring this site. We can't just say, "It stands to reason ...". We need more.

Roger, I'd have to agree with your logic about the film not making it onto TV that fast.

I'll search more and see if anything else comes up.

Maybe someone familiar with TV broadcasting of that era could help "fit the timeline?"

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OK, found some more...I'll start with 3 WILD WOMEN stories...

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