Korff has published an article in Skeptical Inquirer which is essentially a repeat of the Long allegations-He says about Long's Book-

"Sadly, the reaction by many bigfoot researchers has been not only negative, but outright hostile. Unable to disprove these damaging revelations, they have resorted to everything from name calling to threats of violence and lawsuits to accuse everyone of being liars"

He then goes on to equate bigfoot believers with flat earth believers-

Too bad SI didn't do a real analysis instead of just publishing Korff's take. They seem too eager to swallow his stuff in the rush to debunk, rather then do a fair look at Long's allegations and the counterpoints thereto.

The same issue wastes several pages debunking a Weekly World News story about Montana cops shooting a bigfoot. (complete with WWN cover photo of dead BF stretched out in front of cop car).

Now THAT is lame...

I guess the tabloid pictures fit their speal for that one!

You mean that wasn't a true story.

I don't know which is funnier... the WWN running that story... or SI wasting paper and print to prove it false.

hey everyone good afternoon. everytime i hear kal korff on the xzone he realy ticks me off etc when he talks about the p/g filmfootage & the people involved with it. he thinks he right about everything when actually he wrong. opinions please.

I personally am not familiar with this gentleman, but I do in general have an issue with a lot of skeptics. Not all skeptics mind you, just most of them. There tends to be a certain down nose looking arrogance about them. They know it all and anyone who believes in Bigfoot is basically "unqualified" to form an opinion or even have had an encounter. I think it's one thing to not believe, that's well and fine, but why so many skeptics devote so much energy into trying to convince people that it doesn't exist because they don't believe in it and they don't believe any evidence to be valid let alone exist.... OK fine, don't believe, but why the animosity, why get so bent that other people have seen things in the woods that were unidentifiable.

With all that said there are definitely a few Skeptics that really add a lot to the round table brainstorming and offer very valid viewpoints in a dignified way, but for every 1 good one there are 4 that are just plain jerks.

Wow!!! If Bill Green is ticked off at someone............... that speaks volumes. While I know little of Mr. Korff I must now come to the undisputable conclusion the guy nothing short of a small minded cold wet blanket.

I'm not sure we can label Korf a total skeptic. I have the feeling that he is a person that has his own agenda, and will push, prod and bludgeon it forward any chance he gets. Kinda reminds of a fearless BF hunter we know.

I share the same opinion as you Bill. This was the guy who was previously claiming Jerry Romney was the man in the suit at the P/G filming. This bloke changes his stories like other people change their underwear.

I don't think I even know how to define a "skeptic", unless it would be as a partisan in an argument who has decided AGAINST a proposition... in other words, as a person every bit as close minded as someone who has decided the AFFIRMATIVE is true.

Hope that wasn't clear as mud!

There are folks who have simply decided that Bigfoot CANNOT be real. That is their starting place. Given that, then it stands to reason that any photo/film must be faked (or a misidentification), that all the footprints MUST be faked or misinterpreted, that all the eyewitnesses are either liars or, again, making misidentifications. They see no problem at all, for example, with offering six entirely inconsistent stories explaining HOW the Patterson-Gimlin film was faked, changing over time. Don't care for Explanation A? Well...here is Explanation B. Don't like B? Try C. No? How about D. Or E. Or F. Never mind that A, B, C, D, E and F differ in all or most details. They agree in the only detail that matters - that the film was faked.

OF course, there are Bigfoot afficianados who occupy the opposite end of the spectrum - no question. However, THEY are generally seen as the ones relying on faith, or lacking intellectual rigor, or refusing to examine the evidence in an open-minded way. We are led to believe that "skeptics" are made of sterner stuff.

Clearly, not so.

Shadow

Let me try to give you a different slant since I fall into both camps ( personally believe they probably do exist but professionally have to use a lot of skepticism) A lot of the problem has to do with the connotation of the word rather than the dictionary definition.

As you pointed out, many of those referred to as skeptics ( those who have decided such a creature simply cannot exist) would be more correctly described as scoffers as they scoff at the idea with no real evidence to support their view ( using the old "absence of evidence = evidence of absence logic")

They are no different ( as you also stated) than those at the other end of the spectrum- the ones who just "believe" ( equally with nothing to substantiate their belief outside of whatever their individual acceptance standard is)

Neither view is accepted by legitimate science as both operate from a premise of personal bias.

Skepticism is nothing more than refusing to accept something on "face value" but subject to the standards of testing and review as applicable. Thats why any legitimate scientist must have a yin/yang ratio of both belief and skepticism in order to have any legitimate credibility.

The scientist must obviously "believe" the subject of his research ( otherwise why is he pursuing it) but he must use legitimate skepticism as a barometer ( quality checking of his study) and as a fence ( to keep his emotional beliefs and motives from coloring his research)

I think the disconnect here is more from viewing a skeptic in light of the colloquial definition rather than the dictionary definition.

You see this a lot when emotions get involved and it becomes a battle between what would be called evidence versus belief. ( go to UFO boards- you will see it clearly)

Believers are viewed as fools- skeptics are viewed as close minded- both are true to a point- the truth is in the middle in the yin/yang relationship of both.

With this one caveat- when belief and skepticism meet at loggerheads, for scientific credibility, the fruits of the skepticism ( since in its correct application would be the result of some form of evidenciary review) should trump the desires of the belief as belief is a personal state and not required to be shored up by fact or theory.

A good scientist would have a belief/skepticism ratio of about 49-51- enough belief to motivate him and enough skepticism to keep his heart from telling his head what to think.

hey lyndon & squonk yes i totaly agree with both your replys indeed. thanks bill

I guess my gut feeling is Korf could care less if BF or the PGF is real or not. I get the impression he was insulted by a BF enthusiast once and he's been on some crusade ever since. All you have to do is read any of the unprofessional crap spewed by him to realize that -- can't remember where and what media it was, but they guy started out by calling his critics "the penis gallery" because "peanut gallery" was too good for them, or something along those lines.
I don't see the guy as a skeptic. A good skeptic will want to see all the evidence, and balance it dispassionately and accept whatever the outcome is. Korf clearly has an agenda, and I think that agenda is to boost his ego.

hey everyone i guess kal korff is makeing alot interesting news over at cryptomundo im sure we will hear or see more about him. thanks bill green opinions please.

There may be a better place to post this, but I couldn't find one.

Anyway, I stumbled across some references to KKK today and was amazed once again that this guy is allowed to run around loose in what is otherwise, I'm sure, an innocent and unsuspecting country, the Czech Republic.

How his blather and bluster serves to earn him a living is completely beyond my ken.

Here's just a few of the videos he has posted about himself.

Dinner with a roomful of hot Czechs.

Colonel Korff's warnings to an American DA.

The worldly-wise Korff instructs about the mysteries of buttons.

Kal's Korner, “expressially” for you.

That dude is FOS

Wow. Those videos are about as exciting as reading Greg Long's book.
See the incredible scene of Kal entering the building!
See the riveting walking up the staircase scene!
See the dining room table, set for dinner!