Hello Fellow BF reasearchers,

I received a second-hand report that an elderly lady has witnessed a "tall, lanky, kinda skinny, gorilla shaped creature, with long arms, covered with red/brown fur head to toe" cross a dirt road on two legs in front of her car one night 2 years ago. This was in the Erving State Forrest (MA). She saw the same creature again last year crossing the same road early one morning. She said it looked right at her. The weird thing about her report is that she insists that it had a "Collie" like face. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Maybe she grew up watching too many episodes of "Lassie" or something....either that or we have some kind of skinny, bipedal "Dogfoot" walking around in the Erving State Forest.

To add to the mystery, in 2002, I found some bipedal foot prints in the deep snow (3 to 4 feet in some places, 2 foot or less in others due to snow drifts) crossing this same unpaved road, coming from the deep State owned woodlands, heading toward Laurel Lake. (a place full of summer camps only inhabited by humans from Spring to Fall) The prints were man-sized (size 12 shoe or so) but some of the prints seemed to have left 5 "toe-like" impressions in the thin crust of ice that covered the deep snow in some places. There were absolutely no "boot-treads" found in any of the prints.

I followed the tracks as far as I could and even video taped them. (I brought my wife to see them too. She thought they seemed strange.) There seemed to be no "drag" impressions left in the snow as a normal sized man would leave.

Who, (or whatever) left those prints lifted their legs high off the ground before placing the opposite foot straight down again. Very odd. The gait seemed about the same as mine. Just a inch or so wider between steps.

Alias "Davis Thomas King"
North Western/Central Massachusetts.

Just found some references to upright walking "dogmen" on a crypto site, does anyone one think there might be something to this lady's story of a "Collie" faced sasquatch? I found her story hard to belive myself, but this elderly lady said she saw the thing twice. The person who relayed the story to me lives on the same road as the elderly lady and seems quite credible. (And I did find Sasquatch like prints in the snow crossing the same road.) Does anyone know of any other sightings of a BF with dogilike face? I know it sounds kinda weird, but I believe there's some ring of truth to what these ladies are saying.

Anyone have any theories?

David Thomas King

So by 'collie' to you think she was saying the face was long and pointed? Did she imply the thing had a snout like a dog or just that it had a very long nose or what?

I seem to remember reading something about dog-faced encounters, but can't recall where at the moment. It's very weird, that's for sure...

Here's a very interesting review on the Fortean Times Web Board "It Happened To Me!" that talks about "Dog-headed men". Seems there's lots of reports out there....

Dog-Headed Men

Your post reminded me of some lyrics I posted awhile back about "The Dogman". Here is a link to that:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...=1336&hl=dogman

Also, while looking for that link I found another about Dogmen. Here is the link to that:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...c=631&hl=dogman

Hope this helps.

Bipto,

i'm not sure what she meant by "Collie-faced." I assumed a long doglike snout, like "Lassie" but maybe she was referring to long hair like around a Collie's neck and shoulders. I'll try to make direct contact with the elderly lady myself. There aren't too many who live on this road. She shouldn't be hard to hunt down. I'll keep you Posted.

David T. King

Thanks Pithecus and Angie for your "dogmen" links. I don't believe in werewolf stuff etc. But, the tall, lanky, long armed and hairy bipedal description sounds much like a Sas to me. (They are often noted to be tall and skinny and long-haired up in these regions) They are known as "The Watchers" here because they can silently skirt the circumference trees when you walk by and you'd never even notice them.

Maybe this particular Sas is deformed with a birth defect or something and has unusually elongated nose and mouth areas. Then again, maybe the Elderly lady has been "sippin" to much of that 50 year-old "Fermented Apple Cider" her hsuband hid out in the barn! (Just Kidding)

There's no doubt in my mind that there's some kind of uncatalogued bipedal primate stomping (or even 'tip-toeing') around the Erving, Northfield and Wendel State Parks (They're all Connected). They are rumored to look much like the wood-devil's of Coos County, NH.

David Thomas King

i havent read anything about dog faced men, but isnt there an egyptian god who has a jackal's head?

gael

Here's a post from Nightwing on this very Forum! (Thanks Angie)

Check this out...

I heard another "dog man" story while up at deer camp. Very weird legend here in Michigan, and this seems to maybe be a recent occourance. Seems some local guy was killed in his home, and the only thing the cops found was a torn off door and lots of dog hair and inside of his home was just ripped up.

He didn't have a dog...

He was killed by "stabbing" but nothing was stolen(other then his life), and the local rumor is that he was really torn up. Rumor has it(it's always rumors), that shortly before his untimely demise, he was babbling at the local bar about running into a dog man in the local swamp.

A swamp I have hunted in!

Now, he is dead, for no aparent reason. Unless, of course, "someone" or something wanted him quiet.

Spooky and weird.

liebling,

Yes, I guess in Acient Egypt the appearence of the dog faced man meant you were about to be escorted to the underworld. (Die) They were rumored to appear to elderly folk who were about to pass on...

Maybe the appearance of this dog-faced Sas was a signal that this elderly lady was about to...you know...bite the dust... I doubt it.

I don't believe in all that hocus pocus mythology stuff, but this lady insists she saw something very strange cross her dirt road—TWICE.

Anubus, No. North-Eastern wood-ape, quite possibly.

David Thomas King

Sasquatch was considered a Native American myth until European Americans started seeing them (and even now still considered a myth). Many tribes have stories and modern encounters with wolf-men, coyote-men, basically shapechangers. They can be good or evil. In fact, the thing in common with sasquatch is that there are stories of both lycanthropes and ape-people all over the world.

That would be Anubis. He was the guide of the dead as they made their way through the darkness of the underworld. As a patron of magic, it was believed he could foresee a persons destiny, in this role he was the announcer of death.

David T. King,
If you could get the book "The Beast of Bray Road" by Linda S. Godfrey, there is a lot of infor in it about the 'dogmen'. also some drawings you would be interested in. One is of an upright 'dogman' in a 2 legged walking pose. It has a face something like a collie, but much meaner looking! I got my copy from 'Amazon.com" for $16.95. Not saying all of this is true, but an interesting read.
Fran

why does this remind me of the movie dog soliders?

I don't know...why are we whispering?

I LOST MY VOICE
oh............. there it is!

I've seen plenty of folks around here I'd consider good candidates for the "dogface" moniker.

Thanks Fran for the "Beast of Bray Road" lead...a lot of stuff on the net too concerning this....

Highest Regards,

David Thomas King

http://scott-white.site.voila.fr/

Realy cool post, Chronic.

I notice you use the word "troglodytes" alot. Sorry to be ignorant of such things, but what exactly is a troglodyte?

David T. King.

Literally speaking, it means cave dweller. It was one of the three varieties of man in the initial catalog of biological forms put out 300 or so years ago by Linneaus (sp.?). It's where our "cave-man" image comes from, and is similar to the trolls of Scandinavia. The other type of man, homo sylvestris (sp.?), or "man of the forests," was closer to the "wild man" or Wodewasa of the Middle Ages, and to the almas of the Caucasus. But there's no cool shorthand term we can use for such creatures, except maybe "satyr," which has the wrong connotations; whereas "troglodyte" works nicely and implies brutish, thick and dull, making it a handy term-of-abuse.

Didn't a dogman walk across the grassy knoll?

Being from Massachusetts, I am skeptical of this dogman. Maybe the elderly woman isn't playing with a full deck, or perhaps it's a nomad Sas. I'd have to do alot more reading about dogmen to make a decision...

Bigman,

I agree with your assessment. I have a hard time swallowing the dog-faced thing myself. I'm currently trying to hunt down the elderly lady and talk to her first hand. Hopefully I'll find her, (if she's not dead or something) she lives on a dirt road that skirts the Erving state forest. Only a few people live on that road so she should not be that difficult to find. I'll update the story once I make contact with her.

Highest regards,

David Thomas King

Oh yeah,

What's the grassy "knoll thing" about? Lost me there.

Roger,

Thanks for the "troglodyte" definition. Appreciate your input.

D.T.K.

This dogman reminds me of the RPG "Traveller" where there's a race called Vargr. I've only been able to find one pic of a member of that race (it's on the cover of an album by The Lord Weird Slough Feg [don't ask me how to pronounce the last two words] called Traveller). Imagine this guy/dog/thing without weapons or armour. That's what I think of when I hear the word dogman.

I have a dog who is part collie. I think maybe she might have meant the lion-like spray of hair around the dog's face, not necessarily the nose, because all dogs tend to have long noses. Guess we won't know unless someone actually finds her (the lady).[FONT=Arial]

have you tracked this woman down? what she meant by "dog-faced" is hard to tell, could be a lot of things (hair around the head, snout, ears, etc). it could be that if you posed "monkey faced" to her she'd admit it was more monkey- faced than dog faced (just phrase it right so you're not suggesting it or pushing it.)

Yeah, I've thought about that a few times when I've seen your nick, Varg. I've been thinking that you either know about the game or might have some kind of relation (right word?) to Sweden since your nick, Varg, is the Swedish word for wolf.

DTK--

i'm curious to hear more about the "dogfoot" sighting, where'd you see it (link?)

Erving State Forest, it's near the town of Erving on rt. 2 right?

The 1995 movie "Last of the Dogmen" starred Tom Berenger & Barbara Hershey.


Bounty hunter Lewis Gates (Tom Berenger) is assigned to retrieve three criminals from the mountains of Montana. But when he discovers that the trio has mysteriously disappeared from the area, Gates does some research, and is surprised to find that 17 others have vanished from the same locale. So Gates, with the help of anthropologist Lillian Sloan (Barbara Hershey), attempts to unravel the mystery, which leads to the discovery an unknown -- and undiscovered -- tribe of Cheyenne Indians.


Nothing remotly Bigfoot or Crypto in this one but its entertaining ...

Actually, the movie wasn't that bad. Berenger plays it a little over the top at times, but still an entertaining movie. The big plus is that his dog is an Australian Cattle Dog named "Zip". I'm a ACD nut, sorry.

Anyone else out there think this is the dogman referred to above? This was taken is just north of Michigan in Quebec.

hi david thomas king wow thats sounds like a very interesting massachusetts sasquatch sighting. are you planning on going back to the sighting location with other nesra researchers with cameras to take photos of the area and look for possible sasquatch evidence. please keep me posted ok. also has there been any other possible sasquatch sightings or footprints discoverys in massachusetts lately i figueing becouse of fishing season and hunting season just around the corner that maybe sasquatch might be seen even near massachusetts. thanks bill green

That's the "beast of 7 chutes" picture. It does have a dog-looking kinda face, though.
I've not seen a blow-up this big until now. The white thing supposedly being held in its left arm, looks like it could be a white dog, looking up towards its armpit, with the white part above its arm being just the dogs head.

Woa, Sno. Check your atlas

St-Georges de Beauce is at least a thousand km straight line from Detroit. Quite a journey for Mr Dogface.

Not really that far if he hitch-hiked.

Columbus reported men with dog faces when he first came to the "new world"; he was in the Bahammas at the time. I think Columbus had to be a little crazy though. You know to think the earth was round And I'm sure months at sea without knowing if you'll ever see land again could make you pretty crazy.

BTW, just checked my Heuvelmans, and he mentions (under Cynocéphales) that Herodotus and Ctesias of Cline have described such creatures too. So did apparently Aristotle, but he was referring to an african monkey.

10-4
Larry K.

All this conversation seems similar to more recent discussion on bigfoot sightings being misidentified as werewolf sightings.

Link: http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=11897

Seems the dogface feature is another unique phenomena. Don't know whether this hints at a subspecies of bigfoot. Very confusing. Going from an human/ape appearance to a dogface is perplexing. The "collie" face the woman described reminded me of a B-movie from 1974 called "The Beast Must Die", as opposed to the creatures seen in "Dog Soldiers". Here's a pic of the werewolf from that film:

I'm glad someone refered to the Quebuec photo. IF its a BF creature, it sure does have a "dog-face".

That big blow up makes the thing in its arms look like a wolf pup being held upside down. If you want, you can see an ear hanging, and the tail drooped in front of the BF's hand.

Thanks for showing that photo, very interesting.

The first thing to come to mind when I saw this ebay photo was that it looked like it had a snout.

hi massachusetts sasquatch researchers here i think these 2 sightings should be definetly investigated and researched. any expeditions or trips planned to any of the massachusetts forests to look for possible sasquatch activity such as footprints etc. please keep me posted. thanks bill green

Wow! I thought this thread was dead in 2004? Who resurrected this one!? I never made contact with the elderly lady witness, but I did talk with a middle age female who lives on the same road. She's the one who told me the elderly lady's story. The area is a state forest / wildlife preserve in Erving MA, just off route 2. The area sports bear sightings often. I'd have to say that Ebay picture looks Baboon like to me. I'm highly skeptical of both the "dogfoot" sighting and the Ebay picture, but any area that can support bear is a candidate for the support of Bigfoot / Sasquatch sightings should they prove to exist. So I remain open to the possibility of Bigfoot activity in the area and drive through there often.

DTK

My humble opinion but all of these were/dogs/wolves/bears/ dogfoots/bearfoots/wolffoots/wolfbearfoots/ etceteras should be in the crypto section. These off topics stay at the top and the bigfoot topics are being shoved below them as second in popularity because these oddfoots obviously have some kind of following here.

Just my two

Good place for this:

no one but you :censored:

could it not be a snout but a showing of teeth and the shadows from the trees playing tricks. i also thought snout but i am leaning to a show of teeth at the picture taker. maybe the subject of the photo knew the photographer was there. just working thri some ideas here what do you think