I have always wondered how many important militarypeople and government involved people that actually claimed that they have seen BF?

Isn´t there a military base in Washington where plenty of militaries claimed to have seen the creature. If 200 people at the same base have described seeing the same bipedal ape wouldn´t it be likely that they sent some people out to investigate the whole thing.

Is it possible that there is some sort of official conspiracy going on?

Define important military people...

Beyond that, sure it's possible "200 people at the same base " have seen something,
and almost as likely that 199 are having fun at someone's expense.

As always, enthusiasm should be tempered with a HEAVY dose of skepticism.

"Official" conspiracy? Rare, at best...

Over the past few years spy satellite information gathered during the Cold War years in Turkey has been leaked/declassified regarding "anomolies" seen on Mt. Ararat. Investigators have gone up there, and some believe they have found Noah's Ark.

Already the God-haters have slithered forward asking why U.S. Government is wasting taxpayers resources "looking for religious artifacts".

This illustrates that the U.S. Government might have possession of lots of information that they don't release, and there are a number of reasons for withholding such info. They may very well have satellite photos of sasquatches, and are withholding them so as not to reveal the capabilities of their satellites, or they simply don't want to give the environmental community any more political fodder with which to persecute private industry, the economy, or the military itself.

That's politics.

They are big but I don´t think that they are that big!

I was mainly suggesting that perhaps a bunch of militaries reported what they saw to a superior. If one person claimed he saw a BF they will laugh at him but if 50 people saw that the same thing then it can´t as easily dismissed.

Hey everyone --

Ironically enough, someone else suggested this on another Bigfoot forum as well. They went one better, and even claimed that "Men In Black" type characters stop people from reporting! I responded as rationally as I could, but, being a moderated board, my comments never saw the light of day. Oh, well.

I decided to share the original message and response with some friends of mine. One of them is a tech writer (among other skills) and his response made me nearly snort my coffee out of my nose. I just have to share it:

"Um....

Um.........

Hmm

So, um, the reason we can't prove bigfoot is because the government
is working dillegently to keep it a secret?

This is because, um, uh... Because the nation would break out in a
panic and riots would break out if people knew there was a large,
dangerous, furry animal out in the woods? i guess i feel relieved. i
know when i go camping, i leave my lantern on at night to protect
myself from bigfoot, who apparently are scared of the light. Maybe
they're vampires. If i knew for certain that there were no bigfeet in
the forest, just bears and mountain lions, i'd sleep like a baby.
Hey, wait...

So why doesn't the government keep alligators, pike, bobcats and
wolves secret? Hell, they show those off in zoos and pay National
Geographic to make documentaries about them. And i can name at least
two recent attacks made by lions and tigers escaped from preserves.
The government acknowledges them but not bigfeet. Why? The only
beings i can think of that the government has denied the existence of
are aliens, the mob, domestic communists, terrorists who have
infiltrated our country and presidential mistresses. Hey, wait a
minute, i know! Bigfoot isn't simply a monster, it's an alien vampire
communist monster that belongs to the mob and plots the overthrow of
the government! And it's sleeping with the president!!!

Good lord, no wonder they keep it secret!"

Hope you enjoyed that!

Avindair

Not really sure what you mean here. Are you saying that Bigfoot is not big enough to be seen by a satellite ?
The US government has some satellites up there that can read license plates. They can read a news paper laying on the ground some where. They can see a person and are able to tell one from another with them. If they can do all of that and they can then they damn sure could see a Bigfoot walking around.
Now the thing is about the only reason they would do it if they just happened across one some place. And that I feel would be a million to one shot.
Say on some military base some place they had a report that someone was coming on the base some where. They went a few times and could never see who or what was setting off the alarms. They could move a satellite there and keep watch on the area while the satellite is in position to watch that base. They could very well capture a Bigfoot on a satellite in a picture that way.

Remember what we can see by say the Terra satellite or others that are public is not anything close to what the government can see from theirs.

I do think that if the government could hide things like Bigfoot. UFOs I do think they would. In a post the other day I talked about this same thing.
Bigfoot if it was found to be true would cause many problems threw out the world.
Take religion if Bigfoot was found to be closely related to humans (I think they would be) then that would just be another thing religions would have to explain away. They already have a hard enough time explaining why we are so closely related to apes, Monkeys and pigs as well as other things. If it was proved that Bigfoot is closer to humans than any other thing on the earth then that would mean just about every thing in the Bible is false. If one thing is wrong then every thing will be wrong in it. No half way crap as far as I feel. To me you believe in god and the bible or you do not one or the other.

Also if Bigfoot was found to be real the governments in the US and many others where they live would have another problem. That problem would be crossing borders. Many sightings are around the borders. If Bigfoot is crossing the border all the time then anyone or thing else can. In this age with all of the security that is going on seeing that they can not protect the borders is not a good thing. The USA government likes to tell us that we are nice and safe and do not have to worry about illegal people bring a bomb in and killing us all. Now most of us that does our own thinking know damn well that no way they could stop anyone or thing if they wanted to come in. But the biggest % of people think they are safe and sound in their homes. Hearing that something as big as Bigfoot comes and goes as he pleases will tell them that anyone could do the same thing.
Then you have the amount of land that would need set aside for them. If it was found that they are endangered and I think they they are. Then the government would need to spend billions protecting them and setting land aside for them to live in peace. If the government can keep them being thought of as a joke and note real then they save them billions. That is why I feel they do not give out grants and such so real scientist can really look into the subject. They will pay millions for someone to study to see if cell phones will cause more accidents. But not one penny to try to solve something that a few hundred thousand of their people have seen. I say "few hundred thousand" for a few reasons. I feel maybe 1 out of 10 sightings get reported. And a lot of them get reported to places like sheriffs and stuff and just gets tossed in the trash. So I would say maybe 1 out of 100 sightings gets reported to a online sighting data base.

I could go on and on about why I feel the governments would want Bigfoot as well as other things not to be found.

Government conspiracy? With UFOs, yes. With Bigfoot, no.

The existence of Bigfoot isn't outside the realm of rational thinking. There are large primates in the world, so there's precedence. There are fossil records of large bipedal creature. So if/when Bigfoot is "discovered" it can be rationally explained, (more or less) and won't upset the human psyche.

UFOs on the other hand are more difficult to explain. Now you're talking about a lifeform supposedly more intelligent than humans, thus would upset the little throne we have set up for ourselves here on earth. If the .gov had evidence they would have good reason to not release it to the sheeple...

Polemic, urban myth, and nonsense.
Just what we need.

Are you referring to "Operation DEEPFOOT"? Quick, wrap your head in aluminum foil so the MIBs can't find you.

I confess, Bipto is the leader of the secret agency in charge of "DEEPFOOT".

I'm sorry Bipto, I couldn't take it any longer. They focused their mind control rays on me and.... OHHH THE PAIN!!! MUST....HOLD.....OUT....A.... LITTLE....LONG---

For your review:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/04/26...k.ap/index.html

Just one of many such stories. Sort of like the sasquatch; some believe, some don't.

I'm kinda curious as to what You mean by Your statement as well...

We get rid of some of the conspiracy theory nuts, and almost right
away we have more.

License plates? Newspapers? Gott in Himmel, you people amaze me.
You've been reading too many Clancy novels...

Actually at the beginning of the Afghanistan war, it was widely reported that we sent Mullah Mohammed Omar a pic of his own license plate as part of a psych job.

The technology we have now IS pretty amazing- a guy I know used to work on B-52 avionics and loved to tell how it's IR system could see tracks on concrete like 10 - 15 minutes after someone had walked by.

Also, let's not forget the online satellite services we have now- I can see my driveway VERY clear at full resolution, and if civilians have technology like that to play with, you can expect the secret Government stuff to be at least 10 - 15 years more advanced than that. Just like the Cadillac night vision system- back in Desert Storm that was cutting edge thermal imaging, now we can get it for luxury cars and SUVs.

-Sarge

More Ararat review, including information on the U2 and the KH-9 and KH-11 high-resolution spy satellite photos:

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/anomaly.htm

Or was it the suggested reasons for withholding information? That's classified information.

NSA & DoD satellite capabilities? That's classified, too.

Also, notice my words in my 10:02 AM post:

"some believe", "might have possession", "may very well have".

Suggestions, all. I don't claim to "believe" in government conspiracy, but I guarantee the government knows things that you don't, and they're not willing to inform you of such until they damned well feel like it (or it's leaked).

Sgt F, not all overhead photo's are from satellites. Take that for what
it's worth.

Huntster, unless you work with those systems, you'll never know for
sure what the capabilities are.

Rumor and innuendo surrounding technology constantly amaze me...

Serious business, you are right about the government having more info gained by technical means than they acknowledge. It is undoubtably true that in some areas they have less info than they admit. That's the whole point of the game, keep your rivals from knowing just what you know and what you are capable of. It's not a specific plan to hide the knowledge of a crypto from the public.

You don't specifically have to work WITH those systems to see their resulting products.



Agreed.

That's it, you're out. Send back your decoder ring immediately.

Semantics. By stating "work with those systems" I mean both the
operator AND the analyst. I'm sure you get the picture...

You don't mean the Enigma Jr. with the three twist ring indicators and special hypersonic spy whistle do you?

Indeed, I did.

i came out of law enforcment and i don`t believe they would use the time and energy/man power for the purpose of say hiding the exsistence of bigfoot

by the way glad to be back after a 3 month absents. moved and did get my home computer up till a few days ago do to remodeling my new house but it`s great to be back up and running

at the risk of being flamed;

if there was a conspiracy i think it would be because if a bigfoot were acknowledged by the government and recognized to be closer to human than ape (imo it is..or somwhere inbetween) then it would point more towards the darwin theory of evolution than to the creation theory. this would cause an uproar in the american society who are (as a majority) 'god-fearing christians' .

no, i didnt put a lot of thought into that....it occured to me just now, while reading this thread.

i'm sure i'm wayy of base, as usual
gael

A government conspiracy, huh? Closer to human, huh? Hmmm...

Reckon a sasquatch would be more likely to vote Democrat or Republican?

Reckon a sasquatch would be more likely to vote Democrat or Republican?

No, I'm pretty sure he'd vote for the Green Party.



Sorry, but joke was right there!.

Avindair

Which one are you?

Neither. Just occasionally got to look at some pictures.

None had apes or humanoids in them.

UFOs, neither.

Micahn - how exactly would the existence of sas threaten Christianity? I'm a Christian, and I see no threat whatsoever. Even if sas is genetically close to us, what does that matter? No biblical contradiction that I can see.

Yeah, same here. I mean the Bible speaks of giants, so who knows?

WILD THOUGHT TIME! What if BF is the tribe of Cain, cursed to carry the mark of the sins of their father, forever shunned and ostracized by the rest of humanity? Hmmm?

Remember Cain was a farmer (read vegetarian) who brought only vegetables and grains to sacrifice to God. Hmmm? BF is a vegetarian ...

Cain beat his brother to death. Hmmm? BF is big and could easily beat a man to death ...

Cain was marked so all who saw him would hunt and drive him away. Hmmm? BF is viewed as a monster by some, to be driven away or destroyed ...

Then you have hairy Esau? So hairy as to be named "Hairy". Hmmm? BF is hairy ...

I think my head hurts now.

Funny how this thread has migrated from government to religion; the two prohibited subjects of discussion at civil gatherings. Oh, well, I love violating taboos, so here goes:

I'm with Manetheren. Although Manetheren didn't elaborate on his/her line of thought on how sasquatch fits into religion or Christianity, I'd like to point out something that I've noticed over the years.

Many folks tend to relate the physical characteristics of man with the biblical passage "created in His image and likeness", so a creature like a sasquatch (or a Neanderthal, or a Giganto, or a Cro-Magnan, or anything else that walks bipedally) would be a "man".

I disagree. I believe that the "image" referred to in the passage is spiritual. I believe that biblical creation occurred when "Adam" (man) was "created" (transformed) into a spiritual creature. That may (or may not) have coincided with man's bipedal graduation.

Several species out there display higher intelligence than other creatures. Dolphins are clearly more "intelligent" than alligators. Canines are clearly more "intelligent" than sparrows. Yet none of the more intelligent creatures on earth (which are mostly mammal) participate in spiritual activity (praying, sacrifice, ceremony, etc.) other than man.

I believe there are also "degrees" of spirituallity. Indeed, we even see that among men. Perhaps the beginning levels of spirituallity has already begun among other primates, cetaceans, canines, etc.

I suppose as we learn more about sasquatches, we might find that they are a spiritual creature. I doubt it, but I could be wrong. There have been no reports that I know of describing spiritual activity among them. They are clearly very intelligent. But I don't think that they have been "created" spiritually yet.

Note to self: Do not post while tired and grumpy.

I concur! I believe that when you read those words, that such is indeed what they represent. The bible is a book of metaphors. Every sentence must be interpreted. Not taken literally.

On another point...

Bf a threat to religion? Hardly! (Without getting into the whole soul debate again.) There is no percentage for a religion to cleave onto Sassy! For any reason! It is just a monkey!

Bf a threat to politicians? Hardly! (Bf does not vote! Therefor, there is no vested interest in his existence. And there is no large lobby of support crying out on capitol hill (in any country ) to draw attention to whatever meager rights we as, mere, fellow inhabitants of this planet, might bestow upon him if he ever were scientifically proved to exist!

BF a threat to security? Because of his human like characteristics? Like what...???
Characteristics which make him more akin to man then ape? Like what...???
Characteristics which would make him a threat to, peoples.. sense of security? ...religious views?... and their place in the food chain? Like what...??
All the above stuff would be giving the old forest ape an awful lot of power and influence with has absolutely no basis in the reality. IMHO

Hunster, Grand Cherokee -- Ditto what you said.

Monkeys have tails, sasquatch doesn't.
Monkeys can't swing from branch to branch, apes/humans can.
Monkey skeletal structure is more similar to a dog or cat, they move in the same 4 footed way, except monkeys run in the tree tops and a dog runs on the ground. Look at the shoulder of a dog, monkey, and human.

Sasquatch ain't no monkey.

Well gee, chronic! Guess you made a monkey out of me then!

Nor is he (On the other end of the scale!) a kindly forest dweller overlooked by society, who is waiting for his citizenship papers (dual)! So he can go to his first Communion.

I do believe that you will find more simian then secular in that Bipedal Stew!

I do believe there could be a conspiracy on Bigfoot. There has on the roswell ufo, so why couldnt there be one on bigfoot. The FBI,CIA,NSA probably has some valuable information involving bigfoot. Do to the less people there are that believe in bigfoot the government does not need to worry about the problem that much, but still probably needs to keep it cofidential. to the public. I think the government is scared to tell us somethings because some people might get scred or riot.

And the X-file Premier episode Conspiracy Award poster goes to...

I am glad the thread was hijacked for the good of the forum. I was waiting for the moon conspiracy and Marylin Monroe's murder to somehow git tied in to a BF conspiracy.
I thought the X-File/ Interdimension BF crowd had their own BF forums at another site? :rolleyes: