Hello,

I just read on California Encounters site, under May 28 (Whats New?) referencing Dr Benson: "the greatest evidence may well be a 1996 video of unidentified subject crossing mountain ridge near Canadian border".

Does anyone know what they are talking about? Has anyone seen this video clip? If so, where can I see it at?

Thanks for help!

I'm not positive if this is the same footage or not but I believe it might be. It's worth a laugh anyway!

Just monkeying around.

Yes, I saw that video....I thought it was not even cute actually...even for a maybe believer like me it was kinda insulting for some reason....

I really want to know what this 1996 video that the article referenced is....if it is perhaps the greatest evidence of all, then it must have been kept under wraps for no one to have heard of it here. Unless FOX has somethin' to do with it.....(hope not)

I will start new post about the two FOX videos....I have questions about those also.... :roll:

Here's the link to the story mentioned on the Bigfoot Encounters site.

This line struck me as odd:



I have no idea what video he's talking about here, but IMHO the greatest single piece of evidence is the Patterson film.

Does anyone at all know about this film? I would really like to see it. Apparently, it's well-known enough to be employed in an upcoming Discovery Channel documentary, and well-known enough to be casually mentioned in conversation by this Dr. Benson, but simultaneously obscure enough to escape the knowledge of the nation's brightest, most up-to-speed sasquatch (lay)enthusiasts (that being us). That's just not acceptable. :wink:

what i as wondering is do you think it lends or takes away from the credibility that no one has seen this video yet?maybe the $$$ wasn't there until now?(oops that was a different thread )I did like the "Ontario ape" Video for one reason it shows how hard it would be to fake an actual good video by an amatuer without some hollywood help.

Its VERY intriguing isn't it??? Here is another "sound bite":



I think the fact that it HASN'T been known is actually reassuring.....I mean if someone would go to such HUGE trouble to film a HOAX they would be stirring the pot bigtime.....if I was your average camper who happened to catch this bizarre thing on tape and have no clue what it was I would tentatively (?) approach the park service or ? somone in authority and then perhaps they were told to contact BFRO or Meldrum or some other "researcher". A saavy "expert" would have that thing studied to the hilt before releasing it....too many times even they have been fooled. A true bigfoot researcher is not in this for fame or fortune, but to discover the truth and for scientific interest and research.....why throw another hoax into the fray...all of us who think there is something to the bigfoot legend DESPISE hoaxes.....it only roadblocks the truth......

Also, the folks who filmed it might not have had a clue what to do with it, but like Arkansan and jimf and jeff....once you see or experience this strange thing you want to know more.....and then maybe they saw something on TV or an article about sasquatch and it clicked....they could have had the movie for years....

Possibly,Msfit or maybe if its not a hoax they were also afraid of being accussed of being hoaxers or subjected to ridicule?Either way I'd love to see the actual vid and judge for myself.

I have been looking for information on this video and have had absolutely NO luck. Either no one knows or no one's saying. I just wish they would show the darn video already....

I just found a new video on this sitewww.burnettweb.com/bigfoot/movies.htmhas anyone else seen it?if its real it looks more like a gorilla than anything like its moving on al fours .the only 1996 video I could find was the "snow walker"

Interesting how in both the Redwoods and Prince Edward videos, a non-sasquatch related movie (in the case of Prince Edward, some sort of home video) is being filmed at or around the time of "encounter." The Prince Edward video looks like a poorly executed hoax, replete with a "surprised" cameraman blurting a line of supposed consternation usually reserved for comic book characters and the Hardy Boys: "What the--"

The Redwoods video has an air of verisimilitude to it, in that the people involved seem genuinely shocked and dismayed by what they're seeing. The "sasquatch" in question, though, looks like someone in a hastily constructed suit, all sloppy and ill-fitting (click to view the "enchanced" version of the clip, and you'll be privy to what is either the world's first glimpse at sasquatchian...er...genitalia...or the hoaxer's belt coming undone). A woozy, stumbling gait, too. I suspect that a few members of this film crew were in on a hoax, with the rest truly frightened and taken aback (listen to all those F-bombs!). Publicity stunt, probably.

Hey Inrepair,yeah The only thing that really makes me wonder about the P.E.I. video is the fact it appears to be on all fours,I would think that as a hoaxer you would have it move at a run upright,the other thing that makes me wonder is a really old case from the early 1900's about the "Traverspine Gorrilla's".I honestly don't know what to make of the redwoods vid,I originally saw it on Jay Leno since then I,ve watched it more than a few times and still can't come to any real conclusions about it.

I think the same about the P.E.I. film. It is strange than anyone would be able to accomplish a hoax like that. No person I know of can run on all fours especially at the speed the subject in the film does. At first I thought, ok, this is a bear, but that doesn't fit either as the bear gets up near the edge of the woods and continues to run on 2 legs without faltering. It lends for more investigating.

I don't have an real good opinion on the Redwoods film...it is too iffy to say the least. There really isn't anything clear in the video. Kind of like looking at those pictures on those websites. Ok, so you say there is something there, hummm, if I try hard enough I can see it...but it is still just a shadow. This one IMHO would be the best candidate for a hoax out of the two.
Of course, none I have seen yet can beat the bigfoot chasing the cat...LMAO!!!!!

ARKANSAN:
you mean the drunken bigfoot chasing the cat!!

What clip are you all referring to? The one where something is on all fours? What is it called on the above link? Can't find it.....

The one on all fours is called 'The Prince Edward Island' video or P.E.I. for short. It is on the link listed above (E.W. Burnett's website).

Well now I see we have changed to a new page already, so here is the link MsFit... http://www.burnettweb.com/bigfoot/movies.htm

here you are Msfit,if you dont have a quicktime player you can get one at the site it will connest you to apple to download it best of all its free its five frames up for the link.

I don't claim to be a video or photographic expert or anything, but I thought I'd do a little at-home analysis of the video in question. Here's a shot of what I think is the clearest frame in the video showing arms moving etc:



Now I'm zooming in on the figure:



Now I'll invert it for better contrast vs. the background:



Not bad, huh? Let's zoom in a little closer and invert it again:





I'll admit the first time I saw this video I thought it was hokey. For some reason the guy's reaction seems fake to me and it also seems to happen just prior to the figure coming out of the trees. However, to my untrained eye, the close up analysis looks pretty convincing.

• The head is the classic conical shape.
  
• There appears to be a face in the image, best seen in the inverted close ups.
  
• The arms appear quite long - longer than a human's.
  
• When viewing the video, the figure appears to be moving more fluidly and quickly than a person would in a costume.

So now I don't know. I'm skeptical by nature and I'm always assuming the newest great bigfoot picture or video is faked, but this looks pretty good! It could be a very good video of a gorilla...

Comments?

P.S. The link for downloading Quicktime is, oddly enough, http://www.quicktime.com

I agree Bipto My first thought was that it was a Gorilla,which still makes it a cryptid for being way out of place,I also found the book that mentioned the traverspine Gorillas it was actually Newfoundland and not P.E.I. my bad in 1913(which should actually put it on a different thread )

Bipto, we've got ourselves a blob....better copyright those stills quick !!!

Its just too hard to see what really is going on ....I haven't been able to get the movie to work at home yet....I try again tonite.....

It's not as blobby as it appears in the stills. Download Quicktime from www.quicktime.com and watch the video.

Still looks like a gorilla to me...

OK I cant even figure out how to download it ....I am a computer dummy...and I only have Windows 95 on this puter so I don't think its compatible.....

Anyway, if you guys think it is a gorilla, then it would have to be a hoax....gorilla? On Prince Edward Island?

Msfit, go here:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

Check the box for Windows, then click the download now button. Ignore all the stuff on the right about your email address. It should start downloading immediately...

K, I got it to dowload and I watched the movie....it was like SO shakey and I couldn't understand what was being said? Why was the filmer just pointing conveniently at the place everything would happen? Who was the guy that was running? He was looking over his shoulder to the left and the thing came from the right? This does not make sense to me....

Don't quote me on this, but I seem to remember that the guy running from the left was a staged thing - like they were filming a movie of something. The figure from the right was an 'extra'. Not that that makes any more sense...

This is about as clear as mud ....

I think they were staging something alright.... :wink:

The story behind it was...
They were filming a shot for a movie where some bad guys were supposed to be put in later running out of the woods on the left after the man that is seen running in the film. This was supposed to be an action movie. I don't know if it was to be a home movie or what. Just that it was a movie.

The problem with this being a gorilla is that not even gorillas are bipedal. All primates run on all fours to my knowledge. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. They do have the capability to stand upright on 2 legs for limited periods. However given the speed of the creature in the film, I would argue that if it is indeed a gorilla, and it was actually in a hurry, it should have been running on all fours the whole time.

Bipto, I have to say what an excellent job you did with that photo analysis.
Can I send my photos to you in the future???
Do you mind if I ask what program you used to make that analysis??? Mine weren't near as clear as yours when I tried it.

Thats the one problem I have with alot of the photos and vids they never seem to have the story that goes with them.I really do think it was a gorilla,especially after looking real close at Biptos enhancements,I think it is moving on all fours, I'm not seeing where it moves on two legs,am I missing something?

Hummm, I will have to get back to you on that one. If I remember correctly when I watched it a while back the creature in the film appeared to get up on two legs before it reached the other side and maintain that stance as it disappeared into the trees. It has been a while since I have seen the actual video. I can't watch it right now. I don't have quicktime reinstalled since my last restore and I know better than to attempt to download it while it is rainy outside. It won't stay connected long enough to complete the download and will just stress me out.

Anyway, even if it is a gorilla, why is there a gorilla running loose on Prince Edward Island? That seems odd.

I don't know. I've watched it numerous times, and I'm still unsure as to whether that...whatever...is falling to all fours. I think the two things throwing me off are the tall grass and the speed of the object combined with the jerky camera work. Couldn't it be someone in a suit fitted with long, gangly forearms? If anything, it looks like someone dressed up, running slightly hunched over, albeit at a good clip. Either that or an escaped gorilla (I believe that, while typically quadrapedal, gorillas can go bipedal for brief periods of time). Either way, it doesn't appear the archetypal sasquatch.

I was using Macromedia Fireworks. I grabbed a screen shot of the frame I liked, then blew it up in Fireworks. If the Quicktime vid had been a higher resolution we could have possibly made out more detail, but it's intriguing just the same.

After watching the vid full-screen on my bigger monitor, I think you can make out that the figure may be upright just prior to its coming into view. Also, I mentioned earlier that the cameraman seemed to react before the figure comes out. He doesn't; he reacts very soon after the figure is in view.

But why didn't the 'actor' see the figure prior to its running into view? They seem to be across the clearing from each other before the director called action...

I'm not saying this is a fake. I don't think it is based on the motion of the figure and the proportions of its arms, etc. However, I don't feel certain it's a bigfoot either. Still looks awfully gorilla-like to me.

Are you certain it went down on all fours, bipto? What's my problem, then? I feel really boneheaded admitting this, but I still don't see quadrupedal motion in the locomotion of the "creature."

By the way, I, too, thought it odd how quickly the cameraman reacted to this thing's appearance. No period of stunned silence, just an immediate "what the--?"

That "what the" really gets me. :wink:

As sure as I can be considering the quality of the film. The figure appears to be 'leading' with its front limbs and pulling itself forward with them until its back limbs are in front when it uses them to push forward.

At the end fo the day, I'm trying to balance the convincing, fluid motion of the figure against the incredibly quick 'what the' reaction from the cameraman.

In his defense, when the figure first appears it is almost immediately behind the 'actor' from the camera's perspective. If the cameraman had been focused on the actor, he could very well have seen the figure that quickly. Also, it's hard to see the figure at first as it emerges from the trees though this is due to the poor contrast in the video. It may have been easier to see the figure through the view finder of the camera if it was a black and white image.

I don't know, now I feel like I'm defending them. I could be full of it. :rolleyes:

OK, I went a screwed with it again. This time, I think a possible face is more easily seen. I'll list the original, the inverted, then the new one:





Again, you need to view the footage to get an idea of what you're looking at here...

Well, it does look like its running like a gorilla does and the whole "story" is fishy to me, but what do I know?

FYI, a year and a half later, I still like this video. Not sure it's a bigfoot, but it doesn't look or act like a guy in a suit to me...

Thanks a bunch Bipto, I really appreciate your efforts here.

It's definately intruiging if nothing else. I agree it does have a gorilla like motion...but I just can't fathom (especially now with this deep freeze like cold we're going through) a gorilla being here and surviving.

I believe the video in question originally for this thread is the Memorial Day clip shot by Lori Pate at Chopaka Lake, Wa.

Where can we download this video, IF we can?

Thanks.

"Harry"

You can get it here.

You'll need to have QuickTime installed.

Wow.. I had never even HEARD of this video before!

My thoughts exactly!

I remember that video now. Could easily be argued it's a furry dog, black bear, woolybooger, Erik Beckjord....any number of things besides Bigfoot.

"Harry"

The nose/face looks wrong to me for it to be a bear of dog. Those animals tend to have a more pointed muzzle like face. This thing, despite the picture quality, doesn't seem to. Besides there are no bears on the island.

(note: there are LOTS of bears in our nearest provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, however said bears would have to either swim the 9 miles of the Northuberland Straight to get her, or cross the ice in winter, when they would typically be hibernating. That doesn't mean they couldn't get here, in fact I emailed the Dept. of Wildlife and Fisheries biologist on his opinion and will post it here if I get reply.)

Because I'm convinced it's not a bear or dog my intial reaction was to shout "hoax!" However after watching it over and over, I can't honestly say I think it's a guy in a suit. Indeed, I'm more puzzled now than ever.
It's hunched over, loping almost on all fours gait does suggest a gorilla.
But that raises another question that's already been asked.....what's a gorilla doing in PEI?????

I made a little project for myself tonight where I attempted to tweak the colors on the video so the figure would be more visible. Also, I zoomed in 200% and shifted all the frames so the figure stayed in the middle of the playback window as opposed to running across it. This makes it look like the camera was following the track of the figure and might make it a bit easier to see its movement.

I have clipped the bits at the beginning and the end where the figure is not visible. Also, in the process of doing all this, the soundtrack is gone.

Anyway, here it is. It's about 5.1 MB and you'll need QuickTime, as usual.

Woods Video (200%, color adjusted, tracking figure)

Let me know if this seems at all useful.

I also changed the name of the thread to make it more descriptive.

I'm adding to the 'possibles': My ole lost Uncle Floyd - last we heard he was heading 'north', Jimmy Hoffa, the very rare PEI Giant Panda and of course Eyeore.

"Harry"

P.S. Bipto, I know you're putting in some true effort and I promise I'm not trying to trivialize the clip....much. Pay no attention to the man behind the screen as I just can't help joking about it. It could be something very real and I surely won't be the final arbiter of that.

[EDIT:P.P.S. Okay I watched the enhanced clip over and over (looped it) and well, there's something 'interesting' in there I must admit. I won't take the jokes back but I have changed my mind a bit. ]

Crap! I can't watch the new improved Bipto version here at work and will have to wait 8 hours until I get home.


BTW, I don't mind your humour Harry. Reading through old threads, we sometimes get a bit too serious by times. Your levity provides a nice balance.
That being said...I'm still extremly curious about the footage.

Don't worry about it!

Since it's just a video, there's no way to ever really know one way or the other in my book. We don't have all the information we need about it to make any final judgments. Who are these guys? Are they available for further investigation? Has anyone done that investigation? Has any independent party been to the film site? What's on the rest of the video? Etc., etc. It's kind of like the Myakka photos that way. More questions than answers...

I just find it interesting, that's all. It's a compelling little clip.

Here too: http://dugost.tripod.com/temp007/woods.mov

RayG

the thing that makes me curious is not the creature per say, but the actions of the humans involved. the guy running into the field from the left... has it been established where he is running from... why he is running? he keeps looking over his LEFT shoulder... but the critter appears on the right. were they shooting some kind of home video where acting was involved and the creature just appeared?

also... he runs after the critter to get a better shot, but then the movie ends... i'd like to hear more of the dialog that happened afterwards, and why wouldn't they see some kind of activity in the brush afterwards? was it just THAT fast? i'm sure at the very least we'd see disturbances in the foliage or branches moving from the movement....

i believe the critter is legit because it was FAST and on four legs like a gorilla... but my curiousity is peaked on what the humans involved were doing out there, and why they acted the way they did...

P