That's the story...from what I remember, they were supposedly shooting some sort of video as an assignment for a class, or something like that. The guy's being chased by the "bad guy", and that's the direction he's looking in.

that makes perfect sense to me then... and the bad "acting"

but i still am wondering why the tape cuts so abruptly... i would have liked to see the "chased" kid's reaction to being that close to something seemingly so large...

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Not to split hairs here but he keeps looking over his RIGHT shoulder (our left)...and...the creature appears on his LEFT (our right).
Anyway...without talking to the creators of the film and/or AT LEAST hearing the actual story of what they were doing, I'm not sure we can decipher much more. Right now I'm with SPANDEX (your new nickname..no offense ) in thinking they were two unrelated things that collided at the same spot i.e. "were they shooting some kind of home video where acting was involved and the creature just appeared?"

"Harry"

That's what we're led to believe, yes.

I also want to know what happens when the cameraman chases after the figure. In my mind, that is a glaring problem that really keeps me from accepting this film more. That and all I've ever heard o it is hearsay. I've never seen the story directly reported.

To quote myself.



Those questions are the ones that help with its authenticity for me.

You know, I just can't seem to get over the expression of the running man. Maybe I'm looking into it a little deep, but it kinda looks like he might have a smirk happenin....I just wished we had a little more to go off of. I guess unless we can actually get someone in a fur suit to kick up some dirt on all fours we're not really going to be able to gauge the speed correctly, although it does look fairly quick.

why am i Spandex?

anyway... does anyone know how this film got circulated? where did we first get the heads up on this? i would think it had to originate from someone who has access to the guys who made it. being able to find out more info on these two guys would be helpfull. i mean we can figure out that they were making a school project... but we don't know if they've made other similar types of "movies?" (i.e. made a monster movie for fun once and desided to take it to a new level?)

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I've gotta tell ya....

With the "x"es there in your name, everytime I look at it, I read "Spandex Farmer!" I know it's not right, but that's what pops into my head. Sorry! LOL

*sigh*

oh well, thanks for clearing that up. well, because i normally use hotmail... i couldn't register for use of this board. then i signed up "pandafarmer" for my work email... but of course, not ever using my work email for anything besides intra-office... i goofed on the correct spelling...

thus was born xpandafarmerx

and thus is born spandexfarmer



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This is from the old Sasquatch NW board from Oct. 8, 2001:



(incidentally, this was posted by BFF's own Rick Noll - He got it from the Art Bell site)

You can find some early discussions on the PEI film here. History does tend to repeat itself... I saw some of the same discussions then as now.

Hoax or not, I've always liked the PEI film. Simply because if it IS a BF, then it shows a behavior which goes against many common perceptions. I think too often things may be too quickly dismissed because they do not meet pre-conceived perceptions of what BF is or how it acts (I like the Myakka pics for the same reason). I'd be very surprised to find out that all BF are big, lumbering creatures like Patty.

Bip.. Your blow up is great. It really seems to show something using it's arms as it flys across the clearing... It really looks like a gorilla. Very interesting.

Interesting that the discussions haven't really changed that much either.

Interestingly, nor have many of the participants.



Edited fer the uzuall stoopud typoz.

I watched the video about 100 times. I think the guys reaction is authentic, I would probably do the very same, but at this point, I think it's irrelevant for me.

When the creature comes out of the woods, it's definitely bi-pedal. It seems to remain so for a few steps, then once it's in about the middle of the field, it seems to use both its hands and feet to move. However, with the grass being that tall, it's hard to tell for sure.

The creature is not very big though... the path it ran across is the same spot the guy ran through obviously, so I took some screen captures and lined up the grass and trees to get the height right. I came up with a height of about 5'9'' to 6'0 from his build and some other characteristics. With that being said, the creature looks to be in the vicinity of 5'3" to 5'6". If it's bent over some, then that may add another 6 inches to its height. So ultimately, I don't think it's over 6' tall.

Here are the images:

Here's a smaller version of the previous image:

Because I have a 'bad habit' of making up nicknames for EVERYONE I know (and those I don't know also, it seems) and everytime I look at your 'handle' I see SPANDEX. No offense....truly.

"Harry"

[Edit: Stacy I missed your post before I wrote mine and you explained it very well.

Hey, I recognize some of my old posts (Skyfox), from George Karras's old board that Titus brought up.

When this video first came out in October 2001, I probably looked at it a couple of hundred times, and still believe now as then, that the whole scenario could have been staged with a trained pet chimpanzee. Chimps are known to run upright for short periods of time, and move as quickly on all fours. And it still looks like a chimpanzee to me.

I still want to believe its a Bigfoot, but have my doubts. As Cloves said, there are no bears on P.E.I. and the possibility of a Bigfoot living on such a small island, with such a large population of people and not having more sighting reports from people through the years, makes the whole idea of it being a Bigfoot quite inconceivable. But who knows? Stranger things have happened. Maybe someone should get Jane Goodale to take a closer look at it. I'm sure she could easily tell if its a chimp or not, with her many years of experience working with chimps. And hopefully we can get more info from Cloves if Nathan answers his email. It still is an interesting video.

if you think about it... look at how thick that critter is. if it's on all fours, it would be definately in the mid-high six foot range totally upright...

even if mid-six feet is small for a BF/monkeybeast... it's still bigger than a racoon and would probly scare the crap out of me if it came tearing out of the woods like that.

P

I totally thought it looked like a monkey or ape of somekind at first too. It really looks like it's loping along on all fours with it's feet flying out behind it.
However, when watching Bipto's new enhanced version. (looped it and watched it over and over till I was bug eyed ) It now looks like to me that it's never on all fours. What I thought were it's feet....to me look like it's arms/hands as they swing backwards. If you concentrate on the lower half of the creature, it looks like it's always on two feet, albeit hunched over.
I feel like an idiot swaying back and forth on what I think this is. Sheesh, I've only been a member here for what..ten days? and aware of this footage for a shorter time still. Already I'm obsessing over it. I can only imagine what life is like for folks more curious than I, and whom have had an actual sighting. ugh.

With regards to Nathan and the email, still no reply. But I did get a response back from a biologist about bear and deer on the island. Here's what he said if you're interested.
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Renee,

The black bear was native to PEI but was extirpated during the 1920s.
Bears aren't prone to extensive swims in salt water so haven't crossed
during their active periods. You're quite right that they wouldn't
cross on the ice because of their inactivity during winter. Deer are
not native (they only arrived in NS and NB within the last 250 years)
but were introduced in the early 1950s by the Fish and Game Association.
The introduction was a failure.

I've attached a Mammal List for PEI indicating their status: present,
native, extirapated, introduced, etc.

If you have any further questions just let me know.
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So there you have it, no bear or deer. As indicated he did attach a list of PEI mammals. (I can post that too if anybody wants a look) What impressed me most is his timely reply and willingness to help me out. Pretty cool. *shrug*

After watching it over and over, Its very believable to me. I can see this being a hoax and I could also see this being legit.

The Creature moves very fast, looks like it uses its arms to help it catapault across the field even faster then it would have on two feet. The speed in which it moves is the most interesting thing to me. It moves FAST. Sure a person could run at that speed.... but in a big fur suit and hunched down like that and still making natural movements???? It looks very natural, whatever it is. If it is an ape, then what the hell is it doing on that island?

I think that this very well could be a bigfoot, a medium/smaller one. It moves fast, the people didn't see it until it broke from the treeline, its on some island that you would have to swim to, it hunkered down to avoid being seen as much as possible.

The idea that is uses its arms to propel itself makes complete sense to me, the arms are VERY long, longer then a humans, and it very well could drop down and use its arms to accelerate for short periods of time.

I dont know if the tape was doctored up and the creature was added in with effects, but that thing sure looks like some non-human to me.





EDIT- After watching it even more, I am more inclined to say thats this a real thing. The way it makes a run after the actor runs out of the area makes a lot of sense to me. It probably saw the guy standing there, waited for him to move and once the actor ran away and had his back turned the BF/animal made a run for it but didnt see the camera man standing right there. It made a run for it the moment it had the oportunity to do so, just as the actor ran away and wasn't looking.

Also the backround noises after the creature ran by get my attention, someone is calling out, it seems like some genuine confusion.


Maybe this is how they always move about and this is why we miss them? We just walk by, dont turn our heads as they sprint across the trail or meadow behind us?

Does makes you wonder, doesn't it.....

Hmm. So maybe we should carry our camcorders pointed backwards...?

Excellent enhancement job bipto

When watching it frame by frame, it seems like the unidentified subject was sitting on the edge of the clearing the whole time, though I may be looking initially at shadows. After watching it numerous times, I can't say I see any legs on this thing, and its arms appear to be God awful long. Either it has stumpy little legs, which seems to contradict most sasquatch sightings, or he's tooling around in a wheelchair.

Bipto, when you created your enhancement, did you add anything as far as color goes? One thing I found disconcerting about the original film clip was the lack of any color, other than absolute black, of the object in the film. It just didn't seem to look right.

I'm not convinced we're looking at a sasquatch, or a bear.

RayG

If you view the film one frame at a time, you'll see the actor is looking over his right shoulder at the very instant the unknown object is behind and to his right. There seems to be no reason why he wouldn't be able to see it.

RayG

No, I just messed with the curves to lighten it up and add contrast.

When you viewed the original, was there any natural lighting or contrast? If I understand you correctly, you didn't add any color, but you did add light/contrast to the curves?

RayG

I'm wondering why the "thing" ran out into the open area. If it was already hidden in the brush/woods, why not just run the other way, AWAY from the people?




[edited to fix quote - Paul]

Jaylee,
Do you think perhaps it was lured into chasing the runner when it broke from cover? A game or predator response to a running figure? Then it saw the others, made a recover and got back in the trees?
It sure seems like a real animal (of some sort). Very fast.
Bipto's enhancement is great.
It does look like a gorilla moving quickly along the ground using it's arms and hunched over althought it seems to be standing when it breaks cover. I can't see anything that makes it impossible to be BF, perhaps a young one...except it's location. However, there are a few other reports from PEI and Raincoast Sasquatch has a whole chapter on swimming BF.
Jan

Hee, hee, hee! Perhaps wear our clothes and caps backwards and walk backwards too? What a great idea. All BF researchers would be easily recognizable to other researchers....and of course the authorities...
Jan
Oh if only I could spell...I love this edit function.

If there are no deer on the island, would there be enough for a sas (and perhaps more than one) to eat? I know there are lots of other smaller animals and vegitation but the thought just crossed my mind when someone (cloves?) posted about no bears and no deer.

Very good possibility Jan. I think it looks like a gorilla or an adult chimp, but can't figure out if it actually is bi-pedal at the start or at the end of the video.

By the way, good enhancement Bipto.

wait.. was this video shot in PEI or in Newfoundland? I'm hearing both.. Newfoundland seems more likely to me, but i guess PEI is possible...

Like many, I've been watching Biptos clip over and over... What ever the damn thing is it's definitely using it's arms to help in moving across that opening.

And if nothing else, this clip illustrates that if video is going to be used as evidence, you're going to have to be pretty up close and personal for it to be "conclusive."

(obviously, the term "conclusive" is used tongue-in cheek here... )


Damn... Too bad RB's not around to try that out on.

That's exactly what I thought, it's definitely of similar 'motion' to a guy RACING in a wheelchair. GOOD call RayG.

"Harry"

yeah the footage was supposedly shot in PEI, not NFLD.
The island isn't something you could swim to very easily either. We're talking about 9 miles in deep salty water with decent currents.

Here's a page witha few aerial pics of the island to get a feel for the typical terrain.
typical terrain

Here's a map on the maritime provinces so you can get a feel for the size
canadian maritimes

the island itself in it's entirety
PEI

like I said in a previous post, the island just doesn't seem to be feasable habitat for an animal this size. Reasons being....

• land area the island is Canada's smallest province...but has a population of about 130,000 people. So technically it's one of the most densly populated provinces for it's size. More people should equal more sightings right?
• tourism that sounds stupid at first, but one has to realize that next to agriculture and fishing, tourism is PEI's biggest industry. There are hundreds of campgrounds, some of the best golf courses in the entire country and an extensive trail system used by bikers and hikers that stretches from one end of the province to the other. Thousands of tourists cross the Confederation Bridge to come to PEI every summer. Again..more people..out doors should equal more sightings.
• food sources While there is loads of vegetation, a big animal like a BF needs protien and is most likely an omnivore. Without a readily available meat source ( like deer..and we've already established that there are none) a BF would have to resort to what? Local livestock? Where are the stories and accounts of livestock predation?

that's just a few things I came up with. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to think that there's BF in my backyard...that way I might be lucky enough to at least catch a glimpse someday. However, the whole idea of "BF being on the island" just doesn't sit right with me when I try to be objective about it. *shrug* What the hell do I know?

MAN that's a beautiful place!!

And more.

it truly is a beautiful place. Sometimes I take it for granted.
Glad you checked out the links Harry!

I wanna go!

ROAD TRIP!!!!! pack your camcorders and monkey suits.

hey Bipto, the pictures without the ocean kind of remind me of rural wisconsin/minnesota in the fall... you agree?

P

Yeah, except for the ocean, they do look a lot like the rural areas around here.

Thats what I thought...looks very much like the Southern and central Great Lakes farm country.
And no deer???...what a waste! Looks like Great deer country.

deer had been introduced twice and it had failed both times. Not sure why.
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Prolly cause all the BF were eating them hehehehehe

After watching the video clip over and over, back and forth, slow and fast speed, frame for frame I am convinced this is a bad hoax.

1) When the creature emerges from the woods he running fully upright in a sprinters posture, just like the actor in jeans.

2) The creature never runs on all fours. He gets down low as if trying to conceal as much of himself from the camera and uses his arms to help push through the high grass.

3) The person running is supposed to the subject of the scene yet the camera man keeps the camera focused on the middle of the meadow as if anticipating something is to occur there.

4) The actor runs to the right assuring there is a clear shot of the meadow.

5) When ever you are videoing something your attention is always on what you are videoing yet the creature barely makes his appearance and is not even halfway across the meadow when the camera man says “what the….did…holy sh*t……” His reaction to the creatures immediate appearance is very suspect. How many of you the first time you saw the video clip noticed the creature before it made it half way across the meadow and you had the advantage of knowing something was going to happen?

6) The camera man did not know what he had just saw nor did he know its temperament but he didn’t hesitate to go chasing after it, unless that is he knew there was no harm. I’m an avid backpacker and I have yet to have any animal cross the trail that I immediately go chasing after to see what it is.

Watch the video clip again watching for #3, #4, #5, and #6.

I agree with you but not for your 3rd and 4th point. He was making an amature movie from what I heard. If that is the case then the camera would probably not follow the subject the way you said he would. He wasn't making a home movie where the person your filming is dead center.

The 4th point just goes back to the way it was framed.........but yes either way we do get a clear shot of it like it was meant to happen.

1.) I'd agree with that.

2.) I could be convinced that it never runs on all fours...BUT there's definitely some sort of anomaly as to it's 'locomotion' in general across the meadow. The swinging of the arms seems quite unnatural (especially at one point), and maybe even counter-productive for somebody who is 'running' as fast as it appears that 'thing' is.

3.) I think you're right about that. They possessed no apparent filmmaking skills if they were in fact making an 'amateur film' at all. The fact the camera wasn't on a tripod is a bit odd for the same reason.

4.) I give that one a thumbs down as running directly into the camera isn't logical even for the amateurest of amateur filmmakers.

5.) Good point BUT he doesn't say it (the comments) SO EARLY as to make it totally obvious he KNEW what was to come. He did react as if he might have seen it VERY soon after it came out of the woods but I think there is 'enough' of a 'lag' in there to not base any conclusions on it.

6.) True. Even more 'telling' is he NEVER put the camera down from his eye even for an instant to 'get a better look' with his naked eye right before he heads off to chase it nor during the very first part of it. It's 'possible he could have VERY briefly 'glanced up' over the eyepiece but there aren't even any MINOR camera movements at that moment in time that indicated that either.

It's a HOAX.

"Harry"

here's a facial blowup

Expert analysis of the previous photo.

ITS Moe!! Homer's bartender!!

Hmm...

Its a match. Mystery solved.

dang, that is a good match. Top notch, GrandCherokee!!




edited for proper credit.