Hi there,

I just stumbled upon this forum and I have a question for you all...

Have any of you viewed the SHADOWLANDS BIGFOOT page and observed the picture of a bigfoot that was supposedly taken by an off-duty game warden? Its the picture from above the creature with it looking up.....has this been debunked? I do not see any reference made to this picture or its use any other place and so wonder if it has been dis-credited.

Its a pretty cool shot, so I would think it would be more widely known if it had been taken seriously....

Thank-you all for any replies...I thought some of you could shed some light on this for me.... :roll:

I've seen that picture in the past and I did read on one site (can't recall which one at present) that it was proven to be a hoax.

I can't help but think of it as a "Too Good to be True" type photo myself. I'd have to say though, even though it's supposed to be a proven fake, it's still a good job of doctoring a photo. :wink:

Link for the search impaired. The Shadowlands Bigfoot Page 8)

I've been trying to come up with something funny to say, like "that's as fake as a <funny thing>" but I guess I'm not very creative this morning. Oh well. Bottom line, FAKE.

...Pamela Anderson's chest?

Oh well, it was worth a shot.

Thank-you for your replies!

What photos or films are considered ( by most respected bigfoot researchers) to be authentic?

In this day, with so much technology, can any photo or film be trusted?

If not, then how can bigfoot ever be proven?

I know some of these questions have been haunting folks for a long time, but just wondered what others opinions are?

Also, did anyone read on the California Bigfoot Encounters site about the recent report from a trucker who talked to a bigfoot and interacted with it? Do you all believe it? (it took place in Texas in August 2001 its under Whats New? May 19th I believe)

Thanks to all for your thoughts.....

Ha Ha Ha!!! Pamela Andersons' chest!

Well, the Patterson film is most certainly authentic. Technology simply didn't allow for it to be faked at the time. If minds were as open as they should be regarding bigfoot, this film alone should prove it's existence.



I haven't read the report, but will go look for it. On the surface, I'd be very suspect of someone claiming to have 'interacted' with a bigfoot, not because I don't believe the creatures are incapable of it, but because if they were inclined to interact with us they would have previously. There aren't any reports of interaction that I've ever heard of (though I'd be happy to be corrected).



The hell, you say! I'm crushed...

msfit32, I saw that report about the trucker who says he had to stop in the road to avoid hitting a small Bigfoot. Reports like those make me very suspicious about their motivations around filing such a report. I smell a rat here...or a "wolf in sheep's clothing". The report describes very human type behavior....the actions of the "toddler", the "father" and the "mother", I suspect to have the reader "identify" with the creatures. The report also suggests the presence of a much larger group nearby....possibly to have the reader think they have a large support group at hand, ready to pounce in case of trouble. The report concludes with the statement denouncing the notion of killing one...probably the only sincere statement in the entire report. It's much too tidy a package for me.

It reminds me of a report that simply reads "I saw a Bigfoot washing a wound on his chest in a stream. I looked like he had been shot with a high-powered rifle at close range". No futher information, no location, no follow-up....come on now, just what kind of people do they think they are dealing with here?

And Pamela Anderson's chest IS real, it is, it is, it is!!!

I am giggling as I write this.....

Well.....ya know....you guys believe in this crazy, National Enquirer-made monster called "bigfoot" so I guess one could not be surprised you were taken in by Ms Pamela.......Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! :wink: So I won't burst yer bubbles.....

O.K.- seriously then (still chuckling)....

I too, am suspicious of stories like the Texas "sighting"....What do you think of the supposed recording of a "bigfoot" talking on the NORKA website? I mean I would like to think the guy is nuts or a victim of hijinx, but he seems like a pretty cool dude....

I guess that I am trying to believe that if so many folks have seen this creature, that it may exist, but there are so many tricksters and all, that other times I think that I'm nuts to even consider there is a large, undiscovered, smelly thing running around in our forests.

To be honest...as an avid hiker and camper living near the Sierra Nevada Mountains and playing in them alot, I am NERVOUS about this creature being there watching me. I don't like the idea at all. OK I am a wimp sometimes, but I do not want to think about large monsters roaming around my tent when I am camping. Roaming in the DARK I can't see in the dark. Heck, Ive had marmots scare the daylights out of me at night when I am camping.....they make NOISES.

I also want to think the only thing to worry about when I'm walking and hiking in the forest is my own clumsiness or a momma bear...or the absolute scariest thing for a women walking alone sometimes....A MAN...(actually that is what I worry about the most when I am hiking alone, sad isn't it?)

For some strange reason, it is easier for me to consider them out there if they are a natural, biological animal-type creature. I definitely don't buy the supernatural stuff with UFO's and such. The idea of them "talking" or having human-like intelligence is kinda freaky and a really hard for me to swallow, too. Human-like means they could be very cruel and have motives beyond curiousity when they show up at campsites and homes. Not that all humans are cruel....I mean its just that humans are complex and hmmmmmm....we often have ulterior motives for stuff? Animals are kinda basic and usually will leave you alone, unless you look tasty and they are hungry....

So enough rambling, this all started when I stumbled onto a bigfoot website and became intrigued with all the reports....you then start to wonder what pictures and accounts are for reals.....

Hey, Msfit, what Texas "sighting" are you referring to? I'm in Texas, the upper Texas coast to be exact, and I'm very curious. I know there have been sightings in the area of the Big Thicket, but don't know of anywhere else, except maybe the "Lake Worth Monster" (probable hoax, so I hear).

I shall be awaiting your reply.

Hi Ella-

The Texas report was under What's New? ( this is from memory, so if I am wrong, forgive me) on the Bigfoot Encounters-California Sightings website. I believe it was May 19th. I don't know how to do those link thingies, sorry.

That website is very well organized and updated regularily from what I've seen the past few months.

Cheers!

Here's a link to the report in question.

Anderson County, Texas sighting

Personally, I suspect this is a fabricated encounter. Aaaaahhhhh...the tenderness of mom and dad with their toddler! The depth of emotion as mom reached in the cab of the truck and gently stroked mutha trucker's beard! Such soulful eyes, such tenderness.

Sorry, but all my whistles and bells go off when I read something like that. Quite honestly the first thing I think is, "BS!".

But who knows? Maybe this guy has got nerves of steel or he's slightly brain damaged enough to not know to be EXTREMELY nervous with having a Bigfoot reaching through the window of his vehicle. :roll:

I've seen that photo on Art Bell's web site, among other places and all I can say is:

FAKE! HOAX! It doesn't even look real!

There are plenty of real Bigfeet around without having to create a hoax and not a even a good hoax at that!

re:shadowlands bigfoot picture ,yes im sorry it is to good to be true it was actually a still photo from a special about bigfoot on A&E about 2-3 years ago,oddly enough their goal was to note the response and probability of faking a bigfoot pic. and pamela's top parts were fake but now they're real again.

Welcome Jim,

Pamelas' top parts are still too good to be true, sad to inform you males. She had said parts REDUCED and REPAIRED not completely deflated.......

And so bipto doesn't make an off-topic split about Pamela Andersons top parts I will mention bigfoot.....

So you have seen the shadowlands pic was a hoax huh? And just what WAS the response to the pic? Did most respected researchers go for it?

No fairly few of the respested ones a few dubious ones did but(this is if memory serves)I think it was found out fairly quickly

Far as I'm concerned, people who create hoaxes need to get a life!

:bump:

the second oldest thread in this section.....
we can still revive this baby with some comments about Shadowlands or some other dubious reports or photos....

"Have any of you viewed the SHADOWLANDS BIGFOOT page"

For some reason I can't access that page, so I am unsure which photo you are talking about.
If it is the blobsquatch posted above, then yes it is considered a fake.
If it is the picture of the creature standing in water looking up, then yes, it is a fake, the greenery surrounding the "creture" is called Duckweed, and is very small, making the subject about 5 inches tall, a very good model, but a model nonetheless.

"What photos or films are considered ( by most respected bigfoot researchers) to be authentic?"

The Patterson Footage
The Memorial Day Footage
The Freeman Footage
And another film that I still can't find the name for, but a guy goes into a wooded copse to relieve himself, but instead comes running out of the copse at top speed (from the left side of the frame) with a terrified look on his face, looks back over his right shoulder (to the left of the screen) and a figure runs quadrupedally from the copse on the right of the screen to the copse on the left of the screen where the guy just came from, suggesting that the guy saw a Squatch in the copse on the left, and the Squatch in the copse on the right went to see if its friend was ok after encountering the little crazy person.

"In this day, with so much technology, can any photo or film be trusted?"

New films and photos are suspect due to the ability of any common person with a computer to manipulate them. However, films like Patty, made before the advent of the PC, can be considered genuine.

"If not, then how can bigfoot ever be proven?"

At this point there are a few ways to prove BF exists:
1. A qualified researcher goes out to live in the forest for 30 years to befriend and study them
2. A live capture
3. A discovered body
4. A kill shot

Please note that all of these scenarios require an actual specimen, the only adequate proof.

"the California Bigfoot Encounters site about the recent report from a trucker who talked to a bigfoot and interacted with it?"

I am unable to locate that report, can you supply a link?
To make a link in a post, simply copy the URL from your browser window while on that page, then paste it into your post as is, the system will automatically make a link out of it.

"but because if they were inclined to interact with us they would have previously."

Perhaps, however if they are individuals in the manner that humans are individuals, there could be an individual who is more curious and less afraid than the rest.

"There aren't any reports of interaction that I've ever heard of (though I'd be happy to be corrected)."

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=1091

And there are more, some currently ongoing and under investigation with little public information available. BFRO likes to keep things under its hat.

"What do you think of the supposed recording of a "bigfoot" talking on the NORKA website?"

Again, I was unable to locate this. Can you supply a link for the search impaired?

"I do not want to think about large monsters roaming around my tent when I am camping."

In my opinion Sasquatch are not monsters, they are forest creatures just like squirrels except really really big

There is no proof of a BF harming a human, but there are reports of them intimidating humans in their homes by slapping the side of the house, and reports of rock throwing that misses the human by a few yards, the apparent intent being to make the humans go away as opposed to harming us.

In my experience the most dangerous creature in the forest is a single man, so be sure to carry your fishing knife with you at all times.

However, I think you are in more danger from bears and cougars than you are from Sasquatch.
Bears and cougars have animal intelligence and can be very dangerous, there are reports every year of humans being harmed by them, but there are no modern reports of humans being harmed by Sasquatch who seem to see us as people too. People to avoid for the most part. If one comes into your camp it is probably out of curiosity, not bad intent.

I hope this helps set your mind at ease

"I definitely don't buy the supernatural stuff with UFO's and such."

Neither do I.
I do believe that there are extra terrestrials, simple mathmatics proves that beyond a reasonable doubt, however, I do not think they have anything more to do with BF than they do with squirrels.
The paranormal things ascribed to BF I also do not buy into. To me these are merely minintrepretations by a frightened witness.

"The idea of them "talking" or having human-like intelligence is kinda freaky and a really hard for me to swallow, too. Human-like means they could be very cruel and have motives beyond curiousity when they show up at campsites and homes."

The current information suggests that they do have different personalities the same as we do, and general attitude towards humans seems to be regional, as well as different from one group to another.
I see this much as humans having differing political views, some BFs think that we are ok if left alone and avoided like the plague, other BFs think its just too much fun to scare the beejeebers out of us by slapping the sides of our houses.
Again though, there are no modern accounts of a human being physically harmed by a Sasquatch to the best of my knowledge.

Her chest is probably Bob Heironimus in a suit.

ZZ, welcome to the forums. Please note the date of the original post here; it was just about 3 years ago. Most of us here know that the pictures that Cliff Crook tried to pass off as real are a hoax and there have been many discussions here about them. Take you time and cruise through the forums, you’ll find lots of good information.


On the fence myself with the Memorial Day and the Freeman footage, the P/G film has stood on its own so far IMO.
The film you’re thinking of is the Prince Edward Island footage, there are a few discussions about it here. My opinion is that it’s not a BF.


Not really, there were plenty of hoaxed films and pictures before PC’s became popular. I’m not so sure any are genuine; again we have many discussions here on that subject.


See here

That’s a pretty classic account. There are many more than that, most of dubious origin.
What are your sources for the BFRO keeping things “under their hat”?

I know you're new here but I think if you take some time and look around the forums here you’ll find many qualified individuals and discussions about anything BF related that you can think of. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

In a previous occupation - I had the pleasure of meeting and talking to her on more than a couple of occasions. She is a truly sweet person who is kind to those around her and considerate of her protective staff. I cannot say that about many other "stars" I had the (dis)pleasure of meeting.
Although she would no doubt be used to jokes about her "attributes", I just thought that as a gentleman, I would step in and give people a little look at the total person.
With her love of animals and inquisitive mind - it would not surprise me if she was interested in the Sasquatch phenomenon as she is originally from BC.
If you are monitoring this board Pam - it's me - you straightened my tie once and were surprised it was a "clip-on". Remember your joke?

http://theshadowlands.net/bf.htm

this link has been working for me....it's nothing special. Guess it was new back in 2002 when this thread was current.

I agree about the Cliff Crook photo....fake.

I'd like to hear more about Rockinkt's tie adjustment by Pamela Anderson...

Hi Blackdog

"ZZ, welcome to the forums."

Thank you

"Please note the date of the original post here; it was just about 3 years ago."

Yes, I didn't notice that until after I posted, I thought the newest topics were at the top of the General disscussions page and I didn't think about checking the date, sorry bout that.

"Most of us here know that the pictures that Cliff Crook tried to pass off as real are a hoax and there have been many discussions here about them. Take you time and cruise through the forums, you’ll find lots of good information."

Thanks, so far I have greatly enjoyed my time here, although I have spent way too much time here and at CZ in the last two days.
I visit 4 forums at CZ, occasionally others if I have time, but not often.
So far the time I have been able to spend here has been solely in the general discussion board, but I will try to use more of my time to peruse the entire site

"On the fence myself with the Memorial Day and the Freeman footage,"

The Memorial Day footage looks way too much like a guy in a suit to me, except for this one still that I just can't seem to simply dismiss, the leg is extended while the subject is in mid air, and the leg itself has the most peculiar shape.....

The Freeman footage, I know it could be a hoax, but something about it seems real to me, I just can't put my finger on it yet.

Of course you are talking to the person who got excited over the hoax BF photos at CZ a few days ago too, so my opinion on this one may be all wet ;D

"the P/G film has stood on its own so far IMO. "

I am in complete agreement with this assessment. It is the best proof we have short of a body.

"The film you’re thinking of is the Prince Edward Island footage, there are a few discussions about it here. My opinion is that it’s not a BF."

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I am so tired of typing out the whole scenario every time I discuss that footage!
It is good to know what its title is

"Not really, there were plenty of hoaxed films and pictures before PC’s became popular."

That's why I said "can" be considered genuine. It definately depends on which photographs are being discussed

"See here"

Thanks:) I had already figured out most of that, I was sharing my discovery that adding actual links to other sites is accomplished simply by pasting the URL into the post I discovered it on accident yesterday, I didn't know how to post a link so I just pasted the URL into my post and it came up as a link, which I thought was just too cool, CZ has a different format where the link is inserted by use of a special box.

"What are your sources for the BFRO keeping things “under their hat”?"

CZ. We have members that watch the BFRO regularly and post new stuff at CZ. The video of the Squatch hut and the Squatch itself gesturing at the videographer appeared a few weeks ago, then vanished as "being under investigation". In other words, they do not publically publish some Class A accounts until after they themselves have investigated it, mostly to keep rumor in check, and to keep the nut jobs out of it until the investigation is complete.

"I know you're new here but I think if you take some time and look around the forums here you’ll find many qualified individuals and discussions about anything BF related that you can think of. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised."

So far I have been very pleasantly surprised. CZ was the only BF forum I visited because most of the others were filled with such negativity I just didn't want to deal with it. But the people here seem to be much like those at CZ, friendly, kick back, yak about our favorite cryptid

Actually I was pointing you to a thread on how to use quote boxes. It's a lot easier to differentiate between quotes and the writers comments.

For linking there is a button labled "http://", Thats an easy way to link and use different text for the link.

Some of the features on the board you won't be able to use (like posting pictures and the chatroom) until you get moved to "Members" status. Someone will take care of that soon, I'm sure.


[edit] A speel chacker is not one of them

LOL!

Yes, when I have specific replies to specific statements I have become used to putting the statement in quotes and inserting my replies. It may take me some time to get used to the cool functions here

I'm having a problem with the smilies though, the wink looks like a sneer.....

Ok, so let me try to figure this part out:



Well, if this works he way I think it's going to, then you just successfully taught me how to do this



Ok, I'll try that right now too!

My Home Away From Home

WOOOHOOOO!!!!
It looks like it's working so far



Ah! Ok!
Thank you so much for the tutorial Blackdog! This stuff is pretty cool!

Now to post and see if I did it right.....

WOOOHOOO!!!!!

IT WORKED!!!!!

Thank you so much!

You bet....

I see you have "Members" status now too.

In the Administrivia section are tutorials on how to do just about everything else around here.

The threads with the most recent posts are at the top of the forum listing, regardless of the thread's age. Bigfootdad obviously had some time on his hands and when dumpster diving!

Wow, so this was msfit's first post here! Ya know, she never did come back last summer like usual... anybody ever hear a word outta that girl lately?


oh ps... Pam's boobs ARE still fake.

Whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa,...! Wait-a-ding-dang-minnit, here!

ZZ, you joined *after* I did, bud. Howcum *you* get t'be a full-fledged-card-totin'-*Member* already, with all rights-n-privileges, and I don't?! I mean I *thought* the time of test was likely a test of time, but obviously I was *wrong*.

Have I pi**ed somebody off, or what? - <sniff-sniff>

(Guilt trip working? ) - Seriously, though,...what gives?

Hi Foggy

I was celebrating my ability to correctly operate the functions available to me before I got member status.
I still don't know what member status does yet, but I'll figure it out.

As to my recieving it before you did, I am curious about that too.
I hope it is rectified soon.

I dunno what's up with that either SOFoggy, but I will check it out for you.