This is in response to the E I recieved from Jonathan. I live in Old Fort, North Carolina. It is an extremely small town with a population of about 800. About a year ago I bought a new house. It's in the woods well away from town ( not that 800 people is much of a town )!!!!!!!! Right after I moved in I started hearing strange sounds at night. There is "gibberish" that I can't really understand. It kind of sounds like talking but I can never make out any words. I have heard some screams that are so blood crudling that I've actually went into the woods with a flashlight to see if a woman was hurt. My children often play outside until 9 or 9:30 pm ( if it's not a school night!! ) and they have repeatedly seen something that they call " The Brown Man ". They say he is bigger than a man and he is brown in color and all he does is stand at the edge of my front yard in the treeline and watches them play. They are not afraid because he has never ventured into the yard and if they try to approach him he runs away. Even though I have heard the strange sounds I'd never seen anything until last September. It was about 11 pm and I had to go to the pumphouse to get my toolbox. The pumphouse is not actually in my yard it is behind the treeline at the back of my house. The kids were playing a cd really loud and they were dancing around the house ( three kids can make alot of noise !!!!). I stepped out the front door and walked around the corner of the house and there he was. BF was standing not 5 feet from my sliding glass door. He was standing in the shadows looking in the door like he was totally fascinated with what my children were doing. I was so shocked that I just stopped and stared. He saw me at the same time I saw him. He was about 15 feet from me. There was such a shocked expression on his face that I now think it's funny but then I was kinda shook up. He turned and ran into the woods. I've got no real idea how tall he was. My brother is 6 foot 4 inches tall and BF was alot taller than that. I would guess at least 7 feet. He is brown in color ( 'bout like a Hershey bar.) I have searched the woods repeatedly and I've never found a footprint but that's not surprising considering the ground cover, leaves, rocks, etc. I've never been "into" BF until that night but I now own a night vision device and I sometimes sit in the backyard after the kids are asleep and just try to see him again. I have seen him at a distance. I just hope to get a photo one day. Anyone else seen anything in NC?????

My goodness, I'd be terrified to let my kids play outside that late knowing that some "monster" was lurking around.

Did you find anything when you took your flashlight and went looking for the woman that was hurt? I'd be too scared to go out looking after hearing that kind of screams.

If I were you, I'd warn my kids about this thing.

I'm confused. You said,



but then you said,



I guess he's never come into the yard when the children are out playing, right?

Hmmm...

You were not the least bit concerned that your children reported seeing a "brown man" watching them play? Quite honestly, I am having trouble with that.


RW

Right. He has never ventured into the yard with any of us outside. When they first started telling me about him I thought that perhaps they were seeing a bear so I warned them not to get to close. Every time they'd see him they would run in the house calling for me to come and see. He'd always be gone by the time I got there. Now they just kinda take it in stride. It's not like he's here all the time but he is here often enough so that they are getting used to him. The one time I saw him peering thru the door is the only time I know for a fact that he's been in my yard.

Like I said I thought it was probably just a bear. Or perhaps the private investigator my ex hired in hopes of getting full custody of the kids.

Take this how you want...But don't dig a hole so deep you cant climb back out..just a thought..

Sooooo.... :rolleyes:

You are perfectly okay with a bear or a strange investigator watching your kids?


Ok.....NO!


RW

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If I even had a thought there was a bear in my backyard, I'd be calling someone pretty fast!!!

Man, exes suck don't they?

My brother had an encounter in the Gray's Creek area of Fayetteville.

I've read a few reports here in Australia of yowies approaching houses with children. They seem to find kids interesting.

Can you give a vivid description of the sasquatch, Tsali? Besides the height and color, can you describe the proportions of the limbs, how thick or thin the hair was, the facial features? The shape of the head, the neck, etc?

What he said.

Oh, and welcome to the board, Amy!

I don't think I'd let them out in the yard if ANYTHING was lurking in the shadows.

Uffda

I think I read somewhere that Yowies are more aggressive than our friendly nieghborhood Sasquatch. Do you think there is any truth to that? What kind of reports do you hear?

Old Fort N.C.-----That is near Black Mountain, isn't it? My daughter and I came through Black Mountain last year on our way to Tenn. from Va. , and we got on Black Mountain in the daylight hours, and I never want to go that way again. Evidently it is one high part of the mountain, it was raining off and on and by the time we got to the top of Black Mountain, probably about 1:30, after lunch time, it was so foggy and dense, we could hardly see the road. It's not called Black Mountain for nothing. It must be at a high point in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and I think it is near the Pisgah Nat. Forest. I have read of a few sightings in that area and also I believe I read one from around Hickory, N.C. , but can't remember where I saw that report. That part of N.C. does have quite a few bigfoot reports out there. This is interesting, and may be well worth looking into!
Fran {Just my 2 cents! ....}

Tsali, I sent you an "E", so get back in touch with me.

BLACKTALON

First of all let me say that here where I live bears are almost as common as people. I live in the mountains, right beside the Pisgah National Forest but just for the record it's not just bears. We have tons of wildlife and recently there have been reports of big cats ( panthers????????? ) so we know how to deal with situations when they arise. I cannot keep my children indoors 24/7 just because there are bears in the woods anymore than a city dweller would keep their children indoors all day because of muggers. You just have to know your neighborhood and how to deal with situations that are likely to present themselves.

Yes my town is right beside Black Mountain. I work in BM and you should try to drive the mountain at 5 am in snow and ice and fog. It's a pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for his physical features: Like I said it was dark and he was standing in the shadows. There were two things that stuck in my mind. First his arms were way longer than any person I've ever seen. They were pretty close to his knees. Secondly he was covered in hair that was really thick all over his body except for his face. One other thing that stands out in my mind is that when he got into the woods I didn't hear him like I'd expect to hear another animal. If I'd startled a deer or bear or even a wild turkey I would have heard them crashing thru the woods at least as far as the creek. I know my children were making quite a bit of noise but once he got out of sight I didn't hear anything. ( To me this implies extreme intelligence for an animal. Kinda like he was trying to be quite so maybe I wouldn't try to follow him?? )

Amy, have you reported this the BFRO?

Tsali, I live in Black Mountain! Please read Blacktln's email! I would like to speak with you if at all possible!

To some of the others that have replied, Tsali does live right next to one of the largest black bear sanctuaries in the region. To have a black bear walk through your backyard is not uncommon, but as commonplace as seeing a racoon or such in this area. I live just up the mountain in Black Mountain, NC and have seen them strolling around in the city limits. You don't really "call anyone" if you have a bbear in your backyard around here. You'll get preached at about being bear aware and how property owners should have bearproof garbage cans, hang bird feeders 8+ feet off the ground, etc. as to not attract them. And not letting your children play outside, ever, just because you live in bbear habitat is just.........well.

Alot of people don't think of North Carolina as having wilderness, but we've got a couple of very big tracts of land just to our north at the foot of Mt Mitchell (highest peak east of the Mississippi) with only 2 very rough dirt roads running through them. This has been an area of extreme interest to me for a very long time. It's just not easily accessible unless you are on foot, and alot of the hiking trails are not publicized and hard to find, vs. the heavily visited Great Smoky Mtns to the west. But reports still generate from the Smokies too...

This is my first post on BFF, but I've been reading this forum for a very long time. I tend to stick with smaller groups, and spend more time out in the field rather than on the puter, but have enjoyed reading what all has been up here for some time. The saga continues.....

J. Brown
Black Mtn, NC

First... Second.. thats I mighty good detail to notice form somthing in the shadows...Danger Will Robinson!! Danger..

Tsali,

You still haven't stated why you were not worried that it might have possilby have been a private investigator watching your children. Were you not concerend that:

A. He might report back to your ex that your children were playing outside at 9:30 pm unsupervised?

B. He might have been a child molester or other horrible piece of human garbage?

Honestly, any parent with any brain would show a little more concern that their children were being watched, either by a bear or worse, a human that they did not know. That the kids were not afraid of "it" is really no excuse.


Something smells here and it isn't a sasquatch.....


Redwolf

What smells is overly critical people....9-9:30 EST in September in western NC, it's still daylight/dusk. Old Fort is in the middle of prime black bear habitat and locals don't think much about bears being around, they are a part of life here. The private investigator comment seemed to be made in retrospect of the events that had already taken place.

As far as children go here in the WNC, parents don't shield them from nature and keep them locked indoors. I guess you just need to be a local in the mountains of NC to understand that.

Welcome to the board JW. Have you had an encounter near Black Mountain too?

Uffda

It's a fine line that runs between 'overly critical' and 'inordinately accepting'. This is just an internet forum, not an investigatory group. Anyone can come here and say anything they want (and with a small amount of understanding of the subject, they can say something fairly convincing). It's not like people don't hoax bigfoot sightings, right? This board will usually err on the cautious and critical side. It's just the nature of the people who post here to keep the BS to a minimum.

All that being said, I still encourage Amy to take her report to the BFRO where she can talk to a local investigator who may be familiar with her part of the country and any other activity thereabouts.

I don't care how familiar you are with with bears, letting your children play in the vicinity of any large and wild animal is just irresponsible, IMO. There is no way to rationalize the situation.

I have three children of my own, and I agree with Wildman!!
Wild Animals are unpredictible, and no matter how familiar you think you may be with them, exposing your children to a potentially dangerous or even deadly situation is IRRESPONSIBLE to say the very least!! :rolleyes:
That being said, I'm not implying the encounter didn't happen,If it did occur, then I agree with Bipto, you should report it to the BFRO for further investigation!!

"I don't care how familiar you are with with bears, letting your children play in the vicinity of any large and wild animal is just irresponsible, IMO. There is no way to rationalize the situation."

Well.....living in the NC mtns, we just don't lock children indoors because we live in bear country. The BFRO doesn't have local investigators in our locale....NCBigfootinvestigations does.

Bipto, I know this isn't an investigative group wanting to really get to the bottom of things as investigations go from reading this forum for 2 years now. My "bad" for thinking that anyone here would ever want to really know the truth behind such postings.

Going back to my own local group now, they are nowhere near as condescending and vicious as this one....

Well thank God for small favors, and that this one didn't take too long.

Yeah, I don't think we should ever get to the bottom of this particular report...which is why I suggested submitting it to the BFRO.

But maybe that was just my condescending way of trying to hide from the truth...

I didn't say that all children living in the mountains must stay locked up. I was stating that if someone has a strong suspicion that a large wild animal, possibly a bear or sasquatch, is apparantly stalking their children, then as a parent they need to be responsible and get to the bottom of it. A little parental supervision doesn't hurt. That's all I'm saying.

Hold up now JW. My Great Uncle got his guts swiped out by a Mountain Lion on a hunting trip near Lenoir NC many years ago. Let me tell you, that is a very creepy story about that hunting trip and how that animal stalked him and his Brother. I know for a fact that "locals" in the mountains of NC do take wild animals seriously, including Black Bear. They might be an everyday part of life, but they still pose a threat to young children, and most parents understand this. My Father did anyway when I was young and we were visiting the old homeplace in the mountains. He would always carry a pistol when we were there. I remember an incident when I was around 6 or 7. My Father saw a Black Bear come out of the brush and in between me and my Mother and the house, so he had to fire off a shot to scare it away. That Bear was pushing it's luck. I didn't see the bear, but I heard it grunting tearing up through the underbrush after he made the shot. I'll never forget that incident. As far as you stomping back off to your local support group, well, if you come in here with a holier than thou attitude, then your going to get your jowls slapped. Simple to understand really, not rocket science.

Welcome Tsali and JWBrown, it is good to hear from fellow sasquatch enthusiasts!

The following story is true, and only happened two years ago. Why you should worry about bears and you children:


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Bear Attack in
Great Smoky Mountains National Park

Great Smoky Mountains National Park officials report that the victim of the black bear attack on Sunday afternoon was Glenda Ann Bradley, 50, from Cosby, TN. Bradley was an elementary school teacher at Jones Cove Elementary. Her companion is her former husband, Ralph Hill, 52, also a resident of Cosby. The attack occurred between 2 p.m.-3 p.m. in the backcountry at the intersection of Little River and Goshen Prong Trails about 2.5 miles from the Little River trailhead where the couple parked their car. The couple entered the Park around noon. Hill left Bradley to fish on an island on the Little River. A short while later he went to look for Bradley and located her day pack. He discovered her body about 40-50 yards off trail. He noticed two bears, an adult female weighing 112 pounds and a yearling female weighing about 40 pounds, guarding the body. He tried to run off the bears, but the adult female showed aggressive behavior towards Hill. He went to seek additional assistance and a hiker ran to get help at the Elkmont campground arriving at 5 p.m.

A Park Ranger was immediately dispatched to the scene and arrived at 6:05 p.m. Fifteen minutes later two other Park Rangers arrived. The Park Rangers observed the bears still near the body and shot the bears with their service weapons. A total of 17 Park personnel responded to the incident. The bears were sent to the University of Tennessee of Veterinary Medicine Department for a necropsy. The woman's body has been transported to East Tennessee State University for an autopsy. Park officials are almost 100 percent certain that the two bears were involved in the attack but the necropsy will confirm this fact. It appears that this was an unprovoked attack. According to the victim's family Bradley was an experienced day hiker who was familiar with the Park. Bradley's day pack which contained food was not disturbed. The adult female bear had been tagged in 1998 by University of Tennessee wildlife biologists for research purposes but never had shown any aggressive tendencies towards people before. By all indications this bear was truly a wild bear. But most past human/bear conflicts in the Smokies have been as a result of bear's either being fed human food and becoming habituated to human food. In the past decade, the Park has become increasingly proactive in both reducing available garbage in front country areas and providing effective food storage alternatives in the backcountry. Managers have also stepped up education programs to teach people about responsible food storage and to avoid conflicts with bears.

Acting Superintendent Philip A. Francis, Jr., said that " We want to stress that there is no indication whatsoever that Bradley did anything to provoke this attack. The fact remains that bears in the Smokies are wild and unpredictable animals. We will continue to reinforce the message that human food obtained by bears can lead to injuries." Four adjacent backcountry campsites 21, 23, 24, and 30 are still closed pending confirmation that the bears were the cause of Bradley's death.

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By the way, Tsali, thanks for sharing, I for one, really appreciate it. And, you're not a bad mother just because you are familiar with and understand the nature that is surrounding you.

Edit- Also have to add---Who ever said that the kids were unsupervised? There are windows in a house to keep an eye on your kids not to mention that she probably came outside to check on her kids on occasion and also, she does have ears to hear them. It doesnt take much to check the area for tracks. I know that I look for tracks of cougar especially. Most animals leave sign, including bears. It is not normal for bear to attack people, I dont care what 2% of articles you post, especially in areas with other people present. And, I'd definitely rather have my kids in the vicinity of a squatch than some strange human on Main Street. :rolleyes:

Not overly critical? Hmmmm....Maybe not for you few. Bip, I am surprised. If an eyewitness cannot even go to others of the same interest, then who can they go to? This crap is just making it too damned hard to share knowledge. If you dont want to listen or ask questions without throwing in your stupid quirks, then you'll never get anywhere as far as BF is concerned. :rolleyes:

Hey Vol, good to see a Tennessean in here. I think you are the only one I've ever seen reading all the drama that goes on in here over the years. You know that mountain lions don't exist in NC!

As for the "holier than thou" comment, that's the main reason I feared joining this group, is because that's what I've been seeing them act like for a looooonnnngggg time now just dropping in here and there and reading the posts. If you make a statement, or other contrary to group belief, they will beat you over the head with it rather than engaging in civilized conversation and run you out the door rather than wanting more information, etc. and trying to be helpful to people like me who honestly try to get out in the field and collect more info.

There were only a couple of people who tried to ask Tsali about the BF, the others just instantly pounced without even asking for more info. Is this how things work these days? Yeah, yeah, I know.....shoot first and ask questions later. Even people living in the big city of Minneapolis no where near the back country of NC jumped and started screeching "call the BFRO and leave our board"!

Pithecus,

I remember when that was going on. On a local hiking board at the time, it was stated that after the autopsy, bacon grease was found inside the boots of this lady. Supposedly she did have a $500,000 life insurance policy payable to her husband.

This is a crazy story and of course, posted on a message board. But I never remember any type of follow up story on the local news.

I still feel safer hiking in bear country than I do going to Charlotte, 2 or more people a day are always murdered within the city limits there and much more scary.

Hi Dayglo,
I'm not sure if yowies are more aggressive then bigfoot, though I've read that there seems to be 2 types of yowies one larger and more aggressive then the other.
Heres a website based in Australia that has some reports etc, they're real friendly.
www.yowiehunters.com/

I think that the skepticism comes from the way that some stories are presented. And when they are it's the fault of the writer and the sceptic. And by fault I don't mean it in a bad way.

Someone posting a story about their siting will try to present the incident as best they can. Unfortunately details can be left out. Details that the writer thinks relevant but that skeptics experienced with hoax stories will notice.

The skeptics need to be able to carefully ask questions and the witnesses will hopefully be able to provide additional details.

But immediately dismissing a story because not every single detail was included is not very nice. At least give the writer a chance to respond with details. And realize that not everyone will write the most detailed observation the first time out. By gently asking pertinent questions you may get the details you think are lacking.

Hopefully we will find out more about this event. As there are other members in the vicinity they may be able to visit the site and provide pictures and other evidence.

Tsali.. Drop me an email.. singlespouse@asheville.com Thanks, Yeti

Unbelievable. Where did I say "leave our board" or anything like it, exactly? Where did I say whether I believed Amy or not? How the hell can I, from the 'big city' thousands of miles away, pass judgment on a story told to me over the internet by a total stranger? Show me where I have.


I'll ask again, where did I pass judgement on this person? Show me. And what do you want me to do about the posts of others? Warn them? Ban them? Tell them to check their brains at the door and accept blindly whatever is put before them? Jesus, Ang, I'm surprised right back at you.

Going into the woods, unprepared, only adds diversity to a predator's diet. Having grown up in the way country, the woods and potential danger was always there, whether it was from simple accidents or black bear, coyote, feral dogs, etc.

My brother and I were taught early to beat feet from anything dangerous and report back immediately. No, my parents didn't let us run around the woods at night, but we were allowed to play in the yard after dusk, especially in the summer.

It may be difficult for non-country dwellers to understand how far from civilization you can live in this country, but letting your child (at an appropriate age) play in the woods is no worse than letting them go to the neighborhood park. There's probably a bigger chance that your child will be critically injured playing organized sports than being preyed upon by a bear in the woods. You can't shelter them forever nor will they "stay locked up" voluntarily; for some strange reason they think it's their world to discover. For the most part, evolution has done a good job of hardwiring them to react as an adult would want them to.

Now, as far as human predators are concerned, no parent can take their child to Wal-Mart without facing this danger and the danger increases the closer to civilization you come (predators go where the prey are). In that light, living in the deep country offers some protection from this scum due to population density.

Now, with respects to this report, if the police don't investigate, someone should. If it isn't BF, then who is stalking this family? Any investigative activity will drive away an unwanted visitor, if only to send them looking for easier prey.

I'm inclined to agree with you on that, but my proximity to a big city has apparently fogged my ability to perceive right from wrong...

I'm sure someone who never visited New York (or even wanted to) would be shocked to think about parents letting their kids walk several blocks to a park or basketball court to play around unsupervised. I'm sure it's the same kind of shock someone from New York would feel about someone letting their kids play in the backyard where bears (or something else) has been seen. You gotta make decisions about that kind of stuff yourself and I wouldn't want anyone passing judgment on you for it.

Bipto,

I'm sure this is not the case Living close to a city doesn't change morals, it does change sensitivities though. Different jungle environments do impose different trains of thought; bu after the initial period of adjustment passes and the danger-meter recalibrates, it's all the same.

As I stated, I grew up in the woods. Since then, I've lived in Nagasaki, San Diego, Atlanta, and Virginia Beach. I think the experience I gained in the woods as a child has allowed me to navigate the big city pretty well.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
I don't recall seeing anyone call her a bad mother
And Angie, NO-ONE understands nature so much that they can always predict
the behavior of wild animals!! Thats why they are WILD ANIMALS!!
:rolleyes: Just ask any Animal Behaviorist!! :rolleyes:

Wow, this is really something.
Everyone who has decided to make negative remarks concerning Tsali, just back off will ya? Tsali is unknown to everyone here, and to immediately become overly sceptical from the start, is not the way to go. Tsali might be pulling everyone's chain, and is sitting back reading these pages laughing her butt off at what she started. Then again, she might just be sitting on the "holy grail" of what we're all looking for. Or, it could be a classic case of mis-identification. We just don't know, yet. A local investigator is getting involved, "as we speak", and work is in progress. So be patient, and wait and see what happens.

Think on this scenario, there is a person who is having real, honest to goodness BF encounters on a regular basis. This person tells a friend of the situation, and asks about information on the subject. The friend says, lets check the internet, and read up on it. So they do, and find a "group" of like-minded people, that have been involved in this subject for many years, all the way from arm-chair research, to actual field work. The person thinks, hey, this is just what I'm looking for, maybe I can learn something. So, they "post what they know, the best way they can". WWHHAAAMMOO! They get "slapped across the jowls" from the get-go. The person says, well, I'm not going to talk to anyone else about this, because if a large group of BF enthusists come down on me, then God only knows what the average person would think. Well, the person keeps their mouth shut, and never tells anyone again. Then the greatest find in scientific history goes undiscovered for even longer, or that person's skeleton is found years later in the woods, near thier home, with multiple broken bones, and crushed skull. This paragraph is just an attempt to illustrate what could happen with the stuff like whats gone on here in the past. It is a shame.

Back about a month ago, a young kid posted here about an encounter, and finding a possible graveyard! Well I was skeptical, just because it seemed a little too fantastic, and the personn was just a kid. I didn't jump in and go all over the guy just 'cause of what I thought. The QuatchWatcher handled it great. He told the kid something to the effect of, Hey, I live just a little ways away from you, can I come up there in a day or two, and do an investigation? The kid started backpedaling immediately. Good on you QW!! That was a good way to handle something like that. Well, guess what, an investigator has already been in contact, and the beginnings of an investigation, have already been started. So much for the BFRO.

So nobody thinks that I'm siding with anyone here, just because I'm fom NC too, I want it clear that I'm not. I'm just stating what I believe is the right course to have a take on things. If Tsali is bieng honest, then maybe something wonderful will come of this. If not, then give her enough rope to hang herself with. We can always tighten the knot. But for what it's worth I hope it's true, I really do, but for know, I'm bieng objective. And that is my UNHUMBLE opinion.

Riding the fence here,

BLACKTALON

I agree BLK!! I never meant to come across as not believing her story. I can't say either way because I obviously wasn't there. I do however find it interesting, and if its the truth, then I also would like to hear more info. about it!!

I do too, Tarran. The guy doing the investigation is a straight-up person, who is not one to easily fool. He'll do the best that he can, and be honest, and OBJECTIVE, without JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.<---Not yelling there, just making that part important. And good luck to the NCBI. Just because they're not well known, doesn't mean that they don't know what they're doing.

BLACKTALON

I also agree with you blk. I would like to see a follow from an investigator on this activity.

And just to be clear, rural kids play in the woods, always have, always will. Kids are much safer in the woods with the "lions and tigers and snakes" than they are playing outside in the cities with the drug dealers, drive by shootings and child molesters. Personally I think parents who let their kids play in city parks need there heads examined.

You people are as off the mark as the people you seek to critisize! Of course rural kids play in the woods. Who said they didn't? And there is something to be said for the fact that they are probably safer then in big cities! I did not see one poster argue that!
What was being dealt with in this string was not the perils of living among bears, snakes, and the great outdoors etc! It was about a wild creature stalking one's children, to the point of coming onto the property and approaching the household! Peering into windows!
If this was the behavior of a bear or cougar..we would not be having this conversation. The offending animal would soon be put to a final solution! And no! The kiddies would not be told to go out and play unless they stuck very close to the house, until this was resolved.
Squawking that "I would rather have my kids playing where there is a Bigfoot, then in some big city playground!" is just emotional crap!
If you have a situation of concern, then it must be dealt with.
And I imagine that it just offended peoples sensibilities that this creatures stalking methods was not raising any warning flags with the reporting person.

Amy! I wish you luck in getting this matter resolved! Nobody is against you or your children, or the Bigfoot. It was just the expression of legitimate concerns, that set some people off, who think that this board is too hard on people who drop by with new reports. In this case I think they over reacted badly!
I am sure that no one intended to offend you as a legitimate reporter.of what was happening on your property.