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DEAR NITPICKERS:

It's interesting that 99.999999999% of the commentators on this list spend 100% of their time nitpicking over my book, The Making of Bigfoot, and ZERO PERCENT of their time disproving all aspects of the book.

For example, what does commenting on when the book was officially published have to do with you getting off your expansive or bonyl rear-ends and proving that Patterson was an honest man?

What does the smiley faces and the "pat, pats" on the back have to do with disproving that Morris sold a gorilla suit to Patterson? A mutual vanity society, could you be? Male apes beating your huge breasts to demonstrate your power and authority over nothing but your own fantasies and onanistic spewings that you leave on your keyboards?

What does your whining and complaining about the book being bought by the American public have to do with you disproving Harvey Anderson's story?

Why the incessant picking and scraping at your own scabs? Why the talk about the fact that an author makes money from selling a book? I mean, are you so incredibly stupid as to think that any commercial author isn't interested in making some money? I mean, are you so high and mighty to think that writers should remain impoverished slobs like yourselves? The entire notion that, because I am selling a book, I'm a fraud is not only abysmally dumb, but idiotic, vacuous, and moronic. It is the height of self-righteousness and arrogance. Why not slam Loren Coleman? He's writing books for money. John Green has just repackaged his books and is selling them on Amazon.com. Aren't they frauds, then? They must be liars, eh? As are any other Bigfoot "community" authors who write books, eh, fool?

The fact is you are lazy, thick-skulled and incapable of whole thoughts or analysis of arguments and facts, are you not? I welcome your disproving all the witnesses in my book, every one of them. Perhaps with a bit more exposure to reading, thinking, contemplation, and less time pumping your own shrieking, pounding, cacophonous wretchings into your ears, you might manage to construct an idea, and one based upon the evidence, as presented, but more importantly upon knowledge of human nature and the motives of con artists and unemployed bums who scheme and steal and leave society to deal with their messes? Or do you not mind a liar in your midst? Maybe you have a yearning to cheat and steal? Maybe the gflorification of criminality in our society appeals to your manhood, since no decent female would ever waste their time listening to a bellowing, spitting, and bitching group of nabobs such as yourselves? But perhaps you are drunk 90% of the time? Maybe you're doped up half the time??? Your vocabulary seems to suggest that it is composed of the words "liar," "lie," "fraud," "money," "debunker," "hearsay evidence," "allegation," "yarn," "stupidity," rubbish," "crap," "bu**s**t," and so forth. I'm not even certain if you can read. Maybe you pick out every seventh or twentieth letter; maybe you grow bored after reading a sentence and then turn to a bong? What could it be? What disease? Genetic? Self-induced? Too much sun? Arrested development? Or maybe just a state of continual stupor and inner anxiety, fear, anger, and hatred of the world of science, of even civilization? Perhaps you might be happier living deep in the forest away from the thinking world, where there you can mate with each other?

Maybe in the end, it's a simple matter that The Making of Bigfoot is the truth, something you loathe and despise in a time of advancing social decay? Who knows? You seem endlessly attracted to coughing and hacking out sputum and rambling, incoherent babblings that lead nowhere, but to your own self-praise? You don't get it. You just don't get.

Because you hate anything that is expressed in words, then when Bob Heironimus gets inside, fully clothed, in a Morris suit that has been modified as Patterson modified it, and he walks just like the "bigfoot" in the Patterson film, then that single image will burn its truthfulness and integrity deep within your brains. Eh? That is the only objective test that will satisfy a visusally oriented pack of... of...what do you call yourselves... but that image will roar in thunder and then doubting Thomases, the Patterson film will turn brown at the edges and the flames shall eat it alive until falls, black powder, into Bluff Creek.


Greg Long
The Making of Bigfoot

One deleted for double post...Two Greg..is it possible you could post to one of the current threads or topics concerning your book.,you or your associates instead of starting a new one everytime you post. ? Just a thought...this ones getting locked..

Let me respond to you in a more logical and courteous way than your post deserves. In doing so, I speak for myself and only myself. I am interested in the truth of the claim that Bob Heironimus wore a costume in the famous P-G film. That is all that interests me. The integrity of Roger Patterson, his finances, his peccadillos, are only marginally relevant to that issue.

If you can demonstrate a high probability that the claim of Bob Heronimus is true, I, for one, will have no difficulty accepting it. But at the bottom your evidence consists only of the say so of a couple of people I don't know from Adam. Under such circumstances one would like some corroborating evidence. And it appears that you have none of significance. The same logic that leads you to demand unquestioning acceptance of the Heronimus claim just because he says it is true must lead to the inevitable conclusion that every bigfoot sighting report is true--because someone said it was.

Your own integrity is very much at issue here--your intellectual integrity. You are said to have a technical background. Your failure to perform even the most fundamental imaging exercises and calculations to test your hypothesis leads one to conclude that you are either deficient in intellect or proceeding in reckless and wanton disregard of the truth you claim to pursue.

An example of the kind of easily performed imaging exercises you could have undertaken has been displayed on this forum the last two days. As simple as these exercises are, they have effectively falsified your hypothesis, and although you have clearly been viewing them, it is telling that you have not attempted to refute them. All the name calling you choose to indulge in won't destroy the effectiveness of these images. I hope they or similar ones will circulate widely. They will effectively relegate your magnum opus to the dung heap it appears to richly deserve.

All good wishes for your next project. I do hope you devote a little more 'critical thinking" to that one. If so it might be a success.

-Vern

Edited to remove Long's entire post. - Bip

Mr. Long I do not think that everyone here is a nitpicker. Many people that have a copy of your book (including myself) have expressed views on the subject in a civil and well thought out manner. In fact I liked many parts of your book because it fleshed out many of the characters surronding this event. Here are some thoughtful reviews of your work:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4575

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4692

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4395

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=4721


It would be helpful if you could answer some of the questions these reviews raise that is how "science" works...you have a theory and people attack it. If the theory stands up after questioning then you win a Noble Prize!

Wow Mr. Long left some choice words in his post that will be going into my Amazon review. Folks can see the snake for what he is.

Nice job Greg.

To be included in the review

Mr. Long,

I am personally grateful that our justice system doesn’t observe the same standards you propose as legitimate for determining truth. You repeatedly insist that “we” must prove your witnesses are wrong. Mr. Morris, for example, claims he provided a gorilla suit to Patterson, but he has not produced one iota of support for that contention. Nevertheless, you say Morris must be proven wrong.

In a court of law, no assertion of another’s guilt is accepted at face value. Somebody could swear that I murdered Jimmy Hoffa, but without some form of physical evidence to back up the claim, that charge would carry no weight, even if I had a poor credit rating and hung out with the wrong crowd in high school.

No, it is your responsibility as an investigative journalist to demonstrate the veracity of your assertions to the reading public, not to put the onus of proof on those you are attempting to persuade. You give the impression of never having taken English composition in college. Do you not understand the process of constructing a thesis statement and then marshalling convincing support for your position? You wouldn’t get very far in English comp if you attempted to tell your professor that it was his/her job to prove your thesis statement wrong rather than for you to prove it right, but that is the ploy you use with regard to your book and with those who question your opinions.

It is impossible, in practice, to disprove even the most outlandish statements.

I’m convinced that naked humans hide in the woods and stalk the nightmares of chimpanzees in a parallel universe. It must be true, because I said it’s true. Prove me wrong, if you don’t like it or don’t agree with me.

Obviously, the real world of thought and reason doesn’t work that way. I’d have to provide proof of my alternate universe if I expected anyone to believe in it. In the same way, you have to provide something more than assertions, accusations, slander and innuendo if you expect your opinion of the Patterson/Gimlin film to be taken seriously.

And no, I do not consider the contrived and cursory (at best) similarity between Bob H. and the Bluff Creek sasquatch as constituting any kind of proof.

In answer to your other question, yes, I have seen your book and read some portions of it.

It is beyond me why people waste time with this idiot savant who can only scream read my book...or....prove me wrong!
I personally do not think this 'snake oil' salesman is worth the energy it takes to prove anything he might utter, as right or wrong! He is just not that important! Please ignore him! He is just not that important! Don't make him so by playing this game!
Does anyone actually think that Mr. Long and Korff are so charming that they got a second appearance on the Rense Show by charm alone? Their story is a dead ender! It was opposition to their claims that made it necessary to have them back for a second show! If there was no opposition then there would be no second show. No extra publicity..no extension of their 15 minutes!
I know it is a reflex reaction when ideals are attacked to circle the wagons in defense! But Long and Korff are not a pack of hyenas...they are merely vermin. And you do not announce to the public that you have vermin. You buy a can of spray..squirt them..and then ignore them!
But..carry on as you will. I imagine it is a temporary respite from boredom having these characters around!
But bear in mind who you are wasting your time and wonderful talents on.....

A person who wrote a book, who is a nobody!

And when the dust settles he will still be a nobody!

Right now he has probably never felt so important in his life! I for one do not want to encourage him in his delusions. God Bless All!

very "Mature" and "Adult" response...

hmmmm....that 15 minutes is counting down

Aging like a fine cheese.

Seeing the beautiful, friendly, and EXTREMELY intelligent women here, I actually think this is a great idea! More pics, ladies!

We must have hit a sore spot this time, perhaps because no one is participating with Long & co.'s master plan to supply them with easily answered arguments. Good work people! I personally think these posts should be sent to Rense so Mr. Rense can see these guys for who they really are, where the insults originate from, and send the research people have been doing, as well.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This is absolutely the most friendliest site I have EVER been to. I've posted my own picture comparisons against the Patterson film, I and others questioned and even doubted the films authenticity, but I was NEVER insulted, nor were others. Why? Because I carried myself with respect, I respected others, and did not insult them or their intelligence, and that courtesy was returned to me. And nobody ever held that or any other disagreement against me! By contrast, Mr. Long, you and your associates have insulted people here and in the sasquatch field from the beginning. Did you think it fair they do not respond to you in kind?

You people here at this site are great, don't listen to this guy, and never apologise to him!

Greg, when you can learn to coordinate your associates, and make ALL your stories line up, then we might take you seriously. Until such time, as you can all agree on what the "costume" was made out of, when it was filmed, Who saw what and provide us with something a little more concrete than a bunch of "He said, She said" rhetoric, that you put forth as established facts, you're GOING to be considered a laughing stock with nothing more than an axe to grind, and hence, prone to ridicule.

I thought this was how you "Critical Thinkers" were supposed to operate?



-Sarge

Jim, since everyone's responding to this locked thread, I thought it best to merge them and reopen it. Don't need two threads when there should only be one when we aleady have 400 dedicated to this subject!

good job geraldo, i wouldnt read your book if it was GIVEN to me

go home, your momma dresses you funny
gael

Mr. Long,

Upside to free speech in the U.S.A.:

You can say and publish whatever you want.

Downside to free speech in the U.S.A.;

So can everybody else, and they are not obligated to agree with you.

Bottom line:

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Harry S. Truman

*Question to Judaculla: Was Long's opening diatribe and example of an "ad
hominem" argument?

See, what you don't seem to get Greggy, is that even though Loren is not most people's favorite person, he does make a whole hearted attempt to do some research BEFORE he writes a book. And, he doesn't scream and cry and kick the floor like a girly boy if someone disagrees with what he's written. I emailed Mr. Coleman about something he wrote in one of his books and told him I thought it was bunk. He didn't call me names, he sent me a very nice rebuttal email and explained his point. I changed my view on the subject.

This question is probably not necessary but, have you ever read one of John Greens' books? Apparently not or you would have taken some pointers on how it should be done. Mr. Green is "repackaging his books and is selling them on Amazon.com" because of the public demand that copies be made available. One thing about it Greggy, I don't think you'll have to worry about a second printing of your 'little tale'.



I've been called alot of things in my life, but never a male ape with huge breasts. Don't know whether to thank you or tell you to eat dirt. Either way, real cute with the name calling. Very mature of you Greg.

Good luck in your future "writing" Greg. I think you don't need to give up your day job.

Ah, but there is a key difference! They don't choose to write a book where the character of a dead man is assassinated. You did.

In other news, I must say I'm quite surprised by the venom in your post. IMO, the volume of your attacks on this community has increased in direct proportion to the damage it's doing to your magnum opus. Since the hole that's most recently been blown in the side of your thesis was done with a photo you yourself put in the book, you must be doubly aggravated. I appreciate your frustration. How embarrassing it must be to have been laid low by a mere internet forum! How sad that the analysis shown here is so beautiful in it's simplicity that anyone with a copy of MS Paint could recreate it after just a couple of hours of effort. How pathetic that you never tried to do it yourself (or if you did, you chose not to write about it) in all the years you've been working on your book.

Pathetic and embarrassing indeed.

Bipto, after our discussion the other night and reading this post by Mr. Long, I would suggest locking the thread and perhaps even suspending the posting privileges of Mr. Long. It is obvious that he made his inflammatory comments simply to get a rise out of us here. I cannot see anything other than a flame fest to be the byproduct. We all know that Mr. Long has absolutely no intention of backing up his outrageous claims and continuing a one-sided dialogue with him is not only an exercise in futility but a phenomenal waste of time as Grand Cherokee suggested. Jimf had the right idea and I would urge the other members of this community to ignore the the infantile meanderings of someone so obviously desperate for some kind of attention. Let him get it somewhere else.

This is, of course, simply my opinion. Your mileage may vary :-)

Hmm. Sounds like a poll to me!

Actually, I believe Mr. Long's opening post deserves a brand new designation:

argumentum ad tantrum

Gee cupcake, looks like we must be striking a nerve with you.

Argumentum ad tantrum is right, Jud.

You've convinced me....Convinced me not to buy your book.

Uhmmm..Why does it seem to me that some people are stuck in the past..I dont understand why everyone is taking the time to respond to this person. I have never heard of him. So that in itself tends to support my theory that he is not that great of an author or even a human being " looking at the way that he speaks to and about his fellow humans" I would say to you all that I would much rather read what you would "with great intelligence" post into the IMPORTANT threads and leave this guy to his lonesome..As to you Mr Long...Read my signature and understand people like you are the reason that Freud said those words...Good day to you Sir.

Mr. Long,

First of all lowering yourself to name calling and attempting to belittle members of this board are not in the least bit flattering to you, as a matter of fact it sounds like the rantings of a desperate man. You keep challenging us to prove that Bob H. was not the man in the suit. You challenge us to prove that Phillip Morris did not make the suit, or that Patterson did not modify it. You challenge us to prove that Patterson, Gimlin and Heironimus weren't all in this together. If anyone doesn't get it, it's you. YOU made the claims, YOU wrote the book, it's up to YOU to prove to US that what YOU say is the truth. We require more than anectdotal evidence or hearsay, we want hard tangible evidence. It's not up to US to prove anything.

We don't ask any more of you, than we would of any member of this forum that came here and posted the same claims you are making in your book. Because so and so said so, just doesn't make it. You introduced us to a costume maker, who claims he sold a gorilla costume to Roger Patterson, but you don't prove that the Roger Patterson he sold it to, is the same Roger Patterson affiliated with the film. At present there are 186 Roger Pattersons listed at www.whowhere.com alone, and the only thing I can guarantee you, is that none of them are the Roger Patterson affiliated with the film. Mr. Morris can't even verify that the person who used the name Roger Patterson, was in fact any Roger Patterson. I could use the name Roger Patterson and who would be the wiser? I could even sign the name Roger Patterson to a money order, it makes no difference I could sign it from Santa Claus and it would still be a valid money order. Since the whole transaction was done by phone and mail, he's never seen Roger Patterson except maybe in a picture. He doesn't even have the ability to say this is the man I did business with.

In your recent interview with Rense, you give us the impression that a large portion of the population of the Yakima Valley area of Washington has known of a hoax and not said 1 word in almost 40 years. Even the US Governement has trouble keeping things quiet, with only a few people in the loop.

I'm willing to look at your evidence, to listen to your arguments, but I'm not willing to accept it until YOU convince me with proof other than in the format you have presented so far.

Excellent post, moregon! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Vern,
I love it when someones "logic" comes back to bite them in the ass! I don't think it could be said any more simply than you did. If we're to believe or disbelieve simply on the "word" of credible sources, then I think we're all forced to believe based on the hundreds, if not thousands, of credible sources.

Kudos!

Certainly, everyone is entitled to an opinion!

So, for anyone that has read the book, I have not, maybe you can write a review on Amazon and include quotes from the childish, inflammatory post from Mr. Long!

Mr. Long,

You sir, are a booger!

You read my mind.

I'm not familiar with Mr. Long, or many of the other names mentioned in this thread, but I'm learning.

Seems to me that if someone says they were the ones who built the Patterson suit, wore the Patterson suit, and all they need to reproduce the Patterson film is someone to aim a camera, pull the trigger, and shake it up a bit, they can do it again and allow Disney, MGM, and everyone else to compare it to the original. They don't even need an isolated location or worry that someone might see them, like Patterson needed if he hoaxed it (even though Patterson's location was within complete view of a road).

Has Mr. Morris & Company done so? If not, why not? If they did it once (nearly 40 years ago), why can't they do it again to prove their claims?

As for Mr. Long's post, I must admit he has me pegged with a couple of his statements:

"...fear, anger, and hatred of the world of science, of even civilization? Perhaps you might be happier living deep in the forest away from the thinking world, where there you can mate with each other?"

Yup, that's me. I just wish I was living deeper in the forest, and mating with more "others". Also:

"The fact is you are lazy, thick-skulled and incapable of whole thoughts or analysis of arguments and facts, are you not?"

I'm not sure. I'll admit that I must be among the dumbest bunnies in the woods, because I don't understand much at all of what's going on in this world, and the older I get, the less I understand. I'm beginning to wish that I was a Sasquatch myself. They seem to be pretty good at avoiding humanity. I'm jealous.

A fellow could do a lot worse, from the photos I've seen posted in BFF, there's some fine looking babes who are members - smart too!

At least the thinking that was done out in the "forest" would be rational and not argumentum ad tantrum.

Dear Mr Long, speaking for myself, I have not heard one iota of tangible "proof" to lead me to believe that the P/G film is a hoax, IMHO the proof would be the monkey suit. Or at least a photo of the supposed suit that matches the image of the subject in the film. Just my 2 cents. Now that I have expressed my opinion, I am going to take a walk deep into the forest away from the thinking world........

Having Bob H. get in a Morris suit like the one that he sold in 1967 and do a reinactment has been suggested multiple times in this forum. It is a simple straight forward demonstration of the whole point of your book and even simple minded people like those poor mentally challenged inhabitants of this forum could immediately seize on that idea as crucial for you to prove your point.

If you have really spent as much time and money researching and developing this book as you claim (and I am willing to stipulate that you did), then it seems that purchasing a Morris suit and re-inacting the film, even with a video camera instead of film, would be one of the most cost effective ways for you to have made your point.

That leads most people to conclude that either you are not bright enough to have thought of the idea yourself, or you yourself believe it would be counter productive to your case.

Nightwing's work on this forum with the overlays and comparisons quite frankly converted me from a sceptic of the PG film to a supporter. You also have an opportunity to prove your case. If you want to shut up your critics and convert the unwashed heathens then that is where you need to start - with a re-inactment using a 1967 style/model Morris suit and other FX techniques available in 1967. In fact why not have Bipto, et al, work with you to insure an accurate and objectively witnessed demonstration. It would be good for both sides.

Yes, Mr. Long, some things I do need to see. Please forgive me for not being able to rise to the intellectual level you inhabit, but us mere mortals do need more than,"It's the truth and if you don't believe me, just ask me!" or ""Read the book!" Replication of results is a cornerstone of science. Replication of the PG film with 1967 FX techniques would answer a lot of questions.

Edited to add that touchanymonkeys and many others added to Nightwing's work with graphics, suggestions, and critical comments.

I dont know about locking it. It is kind of fun in a sick way.

This guy has been tying a noose around his neck for some time.

His last post was basically himself kicking the chair from beneath his feet. Now we are watching him swing and twitch. Yes its sick, maybe Korff and Moko will come and pull on his legs to speed up his death and end his suffering. I think they will botch it and make him hang even longer though.

I am pretty much done with him. I will try my best to lety him die a peacable death in cyberspace. (maybe)

I say lets buy him a one way ticket to Mars

yea, mr long convinced me to not buy the book, i never even heard of the fella until ray crowes meeting march 27th, he was arrogant, although he said he wasn't putting down bigfoot researchers, he was, told us that bigfootery was a "cult", that we needed ice cold water in our faces, asically anyone with credit problems, bounced checks, owed money couldn't be trusted...etc. he was also sweating a lot, now, i get hot easily myself, but the room was very comfortable, temp wise. i have video, i have proof, that he was putting down researchers and only wanting to sell his book.

To the colleagues of Mr. Long:

You’ve seen the comparison of limb proportions between Bob Heironimus and the subject of the PGF. Listen to what your eyes are showing you. There is no match, and there is no reasonable way to contrive one. At a minimum, you’ve got the wrong man. More than likely, you’ve got the wrong species.

If I were in your place, I would hastily disassociate myself from this work. Mr. Long’s coat-tails are going nowhere. The interviews and arguments are a rhetorical house of cards that is collapsing. You don’t have to be a part of that.

Given what you have seen here, a recreation will result in similar comparisons that will look equally ridiculous. Go right ahead and make fools of yourselves at great expense if you are determined to do so. I will treat the results of such a recreation with the same scrutiny I have already shown and will relish doing so.

Again, if I were you, I would focus on the long-term. This is one project. It will run its course much sooner than you initially anticipated. At the end of it, you will need something else to continue your careers. Is this farce what you want on your resume of accomplishments?

Be realistic and think about it.

Where did he go anyway...Just like a juvinile to run up and hit someone and then run and HIDE...Heh.. Just goes to show.

Still waiting......................When is Heironimus going to "get inside the modified Morris suit and do his BF dance." Until then garbage in garbage out. :

well put, Gael!!
that's the bottom line....don't BUT it....don't READ it!!
(and I can say this thanks to those who posted reviews of the book and ponted out it's tacky treatment of Roger and Bob... )

And I'm still waiting to read that rebuttal. Dang, I just knew it was going to be a blockbuster too.

I thought the original claim was that they were going to put him in "THE" suit.

Here's the deal folks: as emotional as we'd all like to get at Mr. Long's most recent posting which blasts all of us in the BF community, stop and think-what good would it do to blast him back? Would it make us feel good temporarily? Maybe, but ultimately it would leave us empty. Our cause is not served by getting into a p*ssing match with Mr. Long, or with Mr. Korff or with Moko. It only brings us down to their level and makes us no better than they are. The best thing we can do is present the facts, and ignore Mr. Long and company. They're not really even on their 1st minute of fame yet because hardly anyone outside of our community knows who they are. When and if their t.v. special airs, and they fall flat on their faces attempting to recreate the 1967 PGF, they will fade away into obscurity and we will never hear from them again. Long just wants us to respond emotionally to him, to get a rise out of us. Our only option is to take the high road and not give him that kind of power.

Thats why i'm not bothering to even read this trivial thread. What a waste of time.
The man puts out a book, with NO evidence to support his claim, no original suit, no reciet for said suit, no explaination how a man can produce those tracks with so much "cement" strapped to himself. :rolleyes:

A friend the other day said a new word to me (not about me, just in conversation) and i had no clue what it was exactly, ... until now.
The word ?
Oh yeah,...

F*cktard.

If the cement shoe fits ...


(Hey BF, it felt good, and i feel rather full right now, cant tell if its from dinner or being slappy )

Rob, I salute you for your restraint.

.....then is there hope yet?

I agree with Jud!!
And as far as Mr. Long is concerned, like I stated in another post, he is getting what he deserves!!
KEEP DIGGING YOUR OWN GRAVE GREG!! I for one, along with many others will be more than happy to bury you in it!!

Or maybe, just maybe, the GL/KKK crew are the ones "turning to the bong"????

BREAKING NEWS..................

EXCLUSIVE! LEAKED from a mole inside the GL/KKK team..............the COVER of their NEW MAGAZINE(which is mysteriously only available in Amsterdam!)

Maybe it's just me, but experience has taught me you don't sell a lot of books by spitting in people's faces.

Holy moley, is that VOL?

Things are back to normal. Vol is back.