Hello friends. I'm glad I found this. Others who are just as fascinated about Bigfoot people as I am. Yup, people. I've got a link for you guys that is relevant. A Native American Spiritual Teacher named Red Elk. www.redelk.org or www.redelk.net He has knowledge on many things, including the Sasquatch people. Think what you will about what he says about these people. Much of what this man says has made me think of ALL THINGS differently. I think a lot on this forum have an open mind. I realize this isn't provable data, but so what! Proof, scientific evidence, the dark side doesn't want this information out. For whatever reason, they'll stop at nothing to suppress it. They get to the evidence before anyone has a sniff. Anyway this is what many N. Americans know.
These Sasquatch are FULL OF STEALTH. They know you're coming waaaaaaaaay before you do. Why? They live outside. think of how much uncharted land there is in the world. Inaccessible to us land. Red Elk is quite humorous and I asked him about "Skunk Apes" and he said that they are the same as Sasquaatch. "You'd smell if you lived outside too. Excellent swimmers." Why do you think sightings are stumbled upon. Children seeing them. Children are no threat to them. I know I'm jumping around here, sorry. They also live INSIDE THE EARTH. No skeletons, etc? maybe that's why. caves, sinkholes, etc. inaccessible to us! Also these "openings" are sometimes "guarded" by cougars, snakes, etc. I think expeditions should try to focus on rocky mountainous areas, caves, etc. It is difficult to trek in some of their conditons. Their prophesies also say that these people will emerge one day. There's more info, but I'll just leave it out here and if anyone's interested, I'll give the rest. A true researcher will at least check stuff out with an open mind. It gets more "radical"from there.

interesting stuff tychris, but ot be honest he lost me at the bible stuff. some of his other topics look pretty good tho.

where exactly on those pages are the bigfoot-related topics?

gael

There's a really long interview linked up on his website. Somewhere in there he talks about these beings. It says Spectrum news or somthing. A good book to read pertaining to stealth and "invisibility" in your surroundings is "The Tracker" by Tom Brown Jr.
I know when people hear Bible quotes, we instinctively think of the hypocrisy that man has attached to this book. "Seek and ye shall find." We can't limit ourselves.

Welcome to the BFF's tychris.



Oh, by all means, go ahead and lay it on out for us, we're listening!

that sight it amusing and kinda wierd......

Hi tychris, I'm familar with Red Elk, and have known of him for a number of years now, he use to be a regular guest on the old "Art Bell Show". I even visited his web site, and forum for a while and posted a few messages. There are a few things that bother me about him, but this is neither the time nor place to discuss that, and I leave it up to you and others to discover for yourself, and make up your own minds.

What bothered me more than him, was those who frequent his forums. A large amount of them seem to be very young, and now outfitted with an Indian sounding name, and a flair for making common English sentences sound like Indian talk with attention paid to word choice and cadence, they believe the wisdom of all the generations of Shaman's have been automatically bestowed upon them.

I'm going to have to say it's more on the weird side that the amusing.

I'm also gonna have to say that my open mind has a filtration system, at this site ain't getting past it.

UFO

I'm going to venture that a swimming pool or trampoline would make a similar impression... or better yet a buried septic tank...

But seriously, put down the peyote and back away slowly...

I'm with Orygun on that assessment.

The Red Elk site also set off a few of my BS alarms. Sorry. He would be more credible if he didn't have such a mixed bag of all things "out there". The warning to all people of earth hit my funny bone.

I know a guy in San Francisco who would love this guy!

In looking at the picture of the two teepees on the first page, you know the ones with the "faces" above them, I see quite a resemblance to the sort of work Nightwing did with Photoshop. Hummmm.

Weeeelllllllllllllllllllllll, I just went and previewed the sight. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time thinking I was going to see a picture of Blackie, Sheba, and Fox inside the mothership adjusting the knobs on the hoogeedoobee fintabulating pyramid locator.

Hmmmm..I think I had better stay away from this one...

Q: Does Bigfoot exist?
A: YES! Our original earth (human) beings. We are DNA'd into our shape form and (advanced) stage via people from other planets out of BIGFOOT STOCK. Adam and Eve were the first (successfully DNA'd) Human Beings. Bigfoot is our living "ancestors". Why aren't they often seen? Because these brothers have evolved into abilities that go different from our own. They are masters at stealth/invisibility. THEY ARE ALIVE. THEY ARE STILL HERE.



Q: There is no God! If there was, why all the killings and wars!
A: On the contrary. YOU might not believe in HIM, but HE BELIEVES IN YOU. That's why you exist. He's made you from His thoughts. You exist because of this. Wars, killings? He warns us, if we do not trust, rely and adhere to him ... LOVE Him, or you will get a "reward" you will not be happy with. He also says, if you DO love him, etc., your life will be cake and honey. It's all up to you. He's a better father than a man-father. HE KEEPS HIS WORD. He knows your heart, and you can NOT Con him!


No contradiction here. He tries to please to many people. No wonder why he lives in a trailor, the native americans don't like him, and he has an ols swimming pool outline in the grass as a ufo landing site.

Que paso ?

O-o-o-okey dokey.

-Vern

Okay,

I read his 'Great Vision'. It seems it is doom, despair and agony on me, unless you live in Northern Minnesota. By 2008 he claims that 5 nations will overtake USA and we will lose the war. My wife and I are slowly building a business. Wonder if it is all in vain. Should be digging a hole to hide in, maybe.

Didn't find the link to big foot, mainly because I don't much like reading reactionary drivel and tired of it. If I am wrong not to take this guy more serious, I guess I will be one of those that have my hair coming out in clumps. Wait a minute, that is already happening. Can a bald man go balder?

Some of it is way out there stuff. Red Elk said on one of Art's shows that 80% of the listeners wouldn't believe what he spoke of. Even with all of the radical stuff out of the way, why hasn't the media caught onto any of this? Well, it is more and more, but no real attention is turned toward it. The BBC had a (I thought) smoking gun a few months ago. "Siberia find revives yeti legends." Truly objective Scientists can't avoid it either. "Forensic Expert Says Bigfoot Is Real."
Even with these stories, a global suppression of the truth is evident. My guess is sightings have increased over the last ten years, and "they" give us enough to "shut us up". Red Elk receives harrassment sometimes daily because he speaks truth. Whether anyone believes it or not. We are all "monitored" pretty closely. The best paranormal website I've found for news stories like these is www.coasttocoastam.com Who knows. Maybe Bigfoot people will one day help us find out who and what we are. May all our journeys lead us to the truth!

May the force be with you

Good afternoon everyone,

I had hoped my first post on this forum would be about Bigfoot but I can't stand by while this man is touted as a "native religious" man. He is what we call a "plastic Shaman" who mixes and matches Indian religion in the name of duping gullible wannabes into accepting him as a spiritual leader.

http://www.indianz.com/talkingcircle/messa...208&whichpage=1

This thread over on Indianz.com (of which I'm a member as well,) goes through some of the more disturbing fake medicine men, plastic shamans and wannabees out there.

Red Elk is not seen or accepted as a spiritual leader or even member of a tribe by other Native Americans. He is rude, obnoxious and bullying to anyone who doesn't accept his "enlightenment" (sort of like a fake Indian version of EB.)


Ok, with that said and out of the way. I just wanted to let you all know that I thoroughly enjoy this forum and have come across a wealth of information both about Bigfoot and looking for the creature. I feel Bipto, the mods and the majority of the posters here have been extremely professional, the arguments and discussions for the most part have been civil and thoughtful and the entire atmosphere of the place is exactly as a forum of scientific debate should be: argumentative yet informative, with a touch of humour to offset the seriousness of the subject.

Thanks for letting me in and with that said, here's to hopefully contributing a little to the community I've garnered much insight from lately.

G. Tieyah, AKA Moopitz
nativewanderer@nativeweb.net

Why be so defensive? Listen, we could debate endlessly back and forth on all of this stuff. All I'm saying is here's another possible source of info on BF. Is he controvercial? Yes he is. This thread's for people of an open mind. Let's share what we've heard. "Proof" or no proof. Thanks for the comments.

Interesting thread. I'm scratching my head right now.

Hi Moopitz, first of all welcome to the Forums. Second of all thanks for your knowlegeable input on Red Elk... I thought it was just me! Although I have North American Indian in my heritage, my great-grandmother on my mother's side was a Potawatomi, I am, regrettably, pretty naive when it comes to the culture. The last thing I wanted to do was show any disrespect to someone who may be a revered Shaman of any of the Indian Nations. I'm happy to see that my thoughts were more in agreement with those on the site that you posted, than not.

Hi Tychris,

Sorry if I came out of the starting block strong. My main concern is his portrayal as a native religious man. I'm a member of a native watchdog group that's trying to keep track of people exploiting native american religion and identity (sort of an Indian ADL if you will.) So that's my main concern with him.

However, His theories on bigfoot and anything non-native oriented (crop circles etc.) are his theories and therefore their validity is up to the individual researcher to determine and not for me to decide.

f you wish to debate further his "native" religious aspects, then may I suggest we do it by email and not here as this isn't the place (or you could hop over to www.Indianz.com and we could do it there.)

But as to his bigfoot theories, again, I'll let others decide the validity of those claims as I find his information a bit too far out there for my tastes.

Again, hope this adds a little light about the man and how he is percieved. I know it's an "ad hominum" posting but I thought people should know.

G. Dravin Tieyah
nativewanderer@nativeweb.net

"Think for yourself. Question authority."

Hi Moregon,

Thank you for the welcome. I've been lurking on here for a few months, joined in January but haven't been able to join in like I had originally hoped, a situation I think is now rectified.

I was in the middle of trying to formulate my thoughts so that I can post my "not sure" encounter over on the relevant thread but had to address this situation first. I'm wanting to have that posting up sometime this evening after I get home from work (yes, I'm reading through the forum on work's time.)

Again, thanks for the welcome.

G. Dravin Tieyah AKA Moopitz
nativewanderer@nativeweb.net

I visited the site, but was unable to access the sasquatch information because you need to be a member to read threads, and I'm not sure if I want to commit to that yet. I'm a little suspicious when it comes to things like that. However, though I don't agree with some of the things that Red Elk has been quoted as saying, I have known Native people who've told of sasquatch's supernatural abilities, and it has paralelled my own experience. I know that's not necessarily a popular view here, but there it is.

As far as Red Elk's heritage, and that he's not even a member of any tribe, therefore he must not be a real Shaman or Native religious man, I'd have to disagree. I don't know Red Elk, and I'm not saying he is a medicine man, but to say he isn't because of his race is wrong. And Moopitz, I welcome you here, but the site you directed me to was so politically and racially charged I can safely say I'll never go there again. The discussions about and enjoyment in the "F U cracka!" picture, the endless "Census # papers" and discriminating over blood percentages, whose ancestors left the reservations and not welcoming someone who would like to rediscover their heritage, and overall rascism is something I've just plain had enough of for several lifetimes.

Vent and background time:
As some of you may know, I'm white, or to be more precise I'm Irish/ Scottish, with a little bit of English, dutch and German in the mix for extra flavor. Who knows, I may even have African, Native American, and Asian in me for all I know, but so far I'm very happy with who and what I am. My wife is Native American, Diineh. I go to the sweatlodge, my wife is a sundancer. I've been interested in sundancing for a long time, I've helped to turn a garbage dump into a sundance ground. This was an incredible amount of work. But you know why I can't? Because I need to show a census # to dance. It doesn't matter that Mexicans are dancing, though they don't have a census #, but I can't because of the color of my skin. It doesn't matter that other people who are native drink alcohol before or after the dance, or take drugs, even though it is forbidden. Let them dance, their skin is brown. It doesn't matter that I don't do any drugs, don't drink, help out at the sweatlodge, donate my time and money, help people there when they need it. This isn't how all sundances are run, the best have representatives from all races. I won't go into other ceremonial as well as personal rascism I've received from Natives AND whites. But enough about me, how about my uncle, he's Irish, he's married to a Diineh lady, my aunt. Harvard graduate, dug deep into tribal history and past treaties, government and tribal records going back more than a hundred years. All to end long standing disputes and basic red tape the government uses to get the current generation of Diineh off the reservation so they can strip mine the land for copper. He presents this to the tribal leaders, and what do they do? Sweep the whole thing under the rug. He helps them politically, financially, physically, and they take all the credit and don't pay him a thing, while they roll in the dough. All because he's white. He also lives the medicine way, as do I, both having visions and using good medicine, but can he participate in the sundance? take a wild guess. This isn't a blanket statement, the best people from any race are tolerant and respectful of others, and our families on both sides have welcomed my wife and I with open arms. And the best ceremonies with the most healing I've been in have not only had participants from every race, but have been lead by people from different races including native.

The saddest part about the whole thing, is that in more than a hundred years nothing has changed. It doesn't matter if you're white, most tribes can't even get along or agree with each other. Too busy squabbling over the scraps the government gives them, if they'd just once look up and see how our greatest victories have been won after we put aside our differences and worked together. The battle of Little Big Horn, where the Cheyenne, Sans Arcs, Miniconjoux Sioux, Oglala Sioux, Blackfeet and Hunkpapa Sioux all fought together in their greatest victory. One of their leaders, Crazy horse, was often mistaken for being white while young, I wonder where he'd fit in today's political arena? Quanah Parker, half white and half native, last commanche chief, great warrior and spokesperson for natives who made excellent victories for his people on the battlefield as well as politically. The Iriquois nation, six tribes brought together by Deganawidah, the peace-maker. Do you recall his prophecy? The three serpents, and when the final battle rages between the last two the world will shake with the changes. Those that have learned to live with Mother Earth will remain here on Turtle Island, they will be from all races, the Rainbow Tribe. And indeed, if you know the medicine wheel, it has four colors, Red, White, Yellow and Black, representing the four races, all working together in the sacred circle.

The best advice I've ever heard from any being is this. "It doesn't matter what you are, it matters who you are."