followed over 1000s of track last week in one of my research areas, tracks come out of the forest line and cut across the fields.

photo of same track line

this one shows the toes, hard to get the lighting right in snow but non the less the toes are here.

I edited the first photo down to a more manageable size. The original big version caqn be found here: http://www.bigfootforums.com/uploads//post...4881614_big.jpg

[edit] forgot that this was EB's pal. please disregard anything I may have said.

Interesting track line. The spacing and lay out is intriguing.
One thing, however, is that they demonstrate classic thaw/freeze indicies..partiularly those that are actualy protruding above the snow level. This indicates some age, as well as the likelyhood of considerably expansion in size, and distortion of shape. Essentialy what happens is that tracks of a "normal" animal or human(I guess human in this case given the generalized shape and lay out), distort greatly when the snow thaws and then re-freezes...that this has happend here is obvious by the protrusion of the tracks above the surroiunding snow level.
In essense, they could be anything.
Any tracs in sheltered areas that might have escaped this effect?...if you could find some in such a place, you might get a better idea as to their origin.

edit..
Am working on the single track photo, and do find it interesting!
Will post an enhanced image shortly(I think I can get some more detail out of it).
Still nothing certain, but gotta give you credit for a very interesting find.
Any more details available?

Squatchworks, you were there.

What do you think they were?

Pretty spectacular if they are bf. I remember one of the first expeditions in the Himalayans for Yeti, tracks were followed similar to these and they found that where ever the tracks were protected from the sun, they became fox tracks. The sun would over time melt the four fox tracks out to look like a bi-ped track.

How old would you say they were? They look like they are drifted in.

OK, here is the "enhanced" track.
Indeed does look like toes, I can see 4 clearly, and the 5th could be somewhat offset.
Again of course, a series of tracks showing these characteristics would be better, as there is always the chance that a single track could be altered(not saying you did this, but just looking at it purely from a scientific direction), or, could have just been a "freak" chance of melt distortion...
My gut is that neither is the case, and there ARE toes there..

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Yes, snow presents some special problems, but one thing that melting doesn't substantially alter is heel to heel stride dimension. If these are bipedal footprints, a 5 foot plus walking stride (and it would be hard to interpret these as running, distortion or no) is rather suggestive. I'm not taking a position on what is depicted, understand, but these ain't Jim K's housecat prints. Gay-ron-teed on that point.

-Vern

Where were these pictures taken? How far away is the closest tree cover? Could you determine from where and to where the tracks were leading? What's the human polulation density like around there?

Interesting pictures. Need a little more info...

the photo of the track with toes is about 16 inches long, this track was in the smae linde of tracks but the area was procted better from melt off. There were other with toes but the digitial photos did not turn out well enough to keep. I followed these for over a mile and could still see the tracks going off in hte distance, was not need to continue to follow. Meldrum went over these photos with me and we both tried to figure out what other animal could have made these, we ruled out coyote hopping thru the snow, ruled out elk becuase elk tracks were near these and in no way matched, these tracks went on flat ground, up hills and down and keept the same stride for the most part. These were also found in hte same location that Prof Meldrum found a line of tracks when visiting the area a number of years back. The way the tracks stick above the ground show that a heavy object made the tracks causing the snow to compact and the surround snow to melt of first.

[edit] nevermind, we are the brainwashed BFRO worshippers here. Please disregard andything I said about casting these tracks.

[quote=VernF,Jan 23 2004, 01:49 PM] [quote=nightwing,Jan 23 2004, 12:30 PM] One thing, however, is that they demonstrate classic thaw/freeze indicies..partiularly those that are actualy protruding above the snow level.  This indicates some age, as well as the likelyhood of considerably expansion in size, and distortion of shape. [/quote]
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Yes, snow presents some special problems, but one thing that melting doesn't substantially alter is heel to heel stride dimension. If these are bipedal footprints, a 5 foot plus walking stride (and it would be hard to interpret these as running, distortion or no) is rather suggestive. I'm not taking a position on what is depicted, understand, but these ain't Jim K's housecat prints. Gay-ron-teed on that point.

-Vern [/quote]
No doubt there, particularly given the number of tracks(and I assume the stride length stayed relatively consistent).
Yep..very interesting for sure.

the tracks were found in the senic loop area of the foothills of walla walla wa, the track could be seen leaving the tree lind of morman grade about 2 1/2- from where i picked up the trail. the tracks were heading to blacksnake ridge which was no supprise to meldrum or me, we have know the movement patterns for some time., but nailing down when and were it happens is the problem. Mill creek road is bellow and population is sparce there. In one of the photos you can see my tracks next to the sasquatch track(yes i say sasquatch because meldrum and i both agree on it) my tracks and stride are much smaller, also human stradle the steps, bigfoot is directly on step in front of the other.

Very good, in fact, excellent

i have a can of snow wax to use on tracks in snow but the stuff is just to much of a pain to use, have tried other methods of casting in snow but it really is not worth the hassel. im waiting for all the snow to melt of to see if any impressions where left in hte ground, i dont think so but it will be worth a look.

For some strange reason, I was thinking this was in Iowa!
The location now sounds much better also..
And..gives me hope for snow tracks here(we sure have the snow now!).

When did you say you found these prints? From the way of the impressions and area around them I would say that they experienced at least one or two freeze and thaw. Do you know the tempature was before you found them?

Interesting in the third photo of the tracks, they seemed to be a cast of the actual impression (in snow and ice). Wonder what the age is on them....

I read a comment that somehow Squatchworks is suspect because he knows a certain researcher.

My comment is "so what"? Let his work stand on its own.

I believe his work is being allowed to stand on it's own.

And thanks for finally tipping your hand.

well, they look pretty good to me too, and i know of a couple of other researchers that have found tracks and knuckle prints in that area. another researcher and myself found some tracks similar to those while checking out a recent sighting in the coast range mtns of oregon. there was a snow storm here back in january, then an ice storm, we kinda deemed the tracks inconclusive, even though there was about a 3ft stride, and were compacted with the ice on top. the tracks themselves, showed no toes or anything identifying. i do have it on video, but i don't have the means or knowlege to get it on computer.

cool pics for sure, and if I may do a little teaching just some basic info and not meant to be critical so dont take it the wrong way, you said stride was 60 to 65" well a step is from say right heel to left heel, and a stride is left heel to left heel the track line looks really good its pretty much in a strieght line and that is a feature we look for in a series of tracks plus the fact that not too many people walking around bare foot in the snow. so it looks like the stride should be from 120 to 130" give or take. good work man.

Nice. Tried my hand at pulling something out of the image as well. Funny, it almost looks like either:

A) a diagonal track was stepped on by the more vertical one or

B) the foot changed direction during the weight bearing stage and slipped more to the vertical and made a double heel strike.

It is also strange that I couldn't pull up the halux. It kind of looks like it was filled in with loose snow, which is probably the case.