Hi all.
I was wondering if anyone has ever heard any stories of Bigfoot creatures attempting to communicate verbally either with humans or their own kind? I came across some interesting pre-depression tales in the writings of a man named J.W. Burns about this (I can post a link if anyone's interested). They speak of Sasquatches being able to communicate with people of the Chehalis Indian reservation via what the natives called "The Douglas Dialect." If anyone knows what this is or has any stories to share, I would greatly appreciate it!
-Redskelter
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Yeah, post that link Red. I'd be interested, thanks. 
Welcome to the BFF Redskelter 
I would like that link also. Sounds interesting. The only story I can think of where a BF is reported "speaking" is the "here chicky, chicky, chicky" story.
I would like that link also. Sounds interesting. The only story I can think of where a BF is reported "speaking" is the "here chicky, chicky, chicky" story.
Communication between themselves is 100% believable. Communication between themselves and humans would be extremely interesting. I'm referring to verbal communication, I'd believe some communication through gestures or actions would definitely be possible though. I'd also love to read the article you're referring to.
Thanks for your interest, guys! Here are those links you requested:
This was the first one I found:
http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/legends/jwburns.htm
And then a more thorough account of what the Sasquatch woman from the first article had said: http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/burns.html
I think you'll find those interesting! Meanwhile, I encourage any new stories as well. By the way, what was the "Here chicky chicky" story, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with it!
Best Regards,
-Red
This was the first one I found:
http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/legends/jwburns.htm
And then a more thorough account of what the Sasquatch woman from the first article had said: http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/papers/burns.html
I think you'll find those interesting! Meanwhile, I encourage any new stories as well. By the way, what was the "Here chicky chicky" story, I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with it!
Best Regards,
-Red
Thanks for posting those links Redskelton
Interesting reads!
This is the link for the "chicky story"
http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/stories/zoobies.htm
Interesting reads!
This is the link for the "chicky story"
http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/stories/zoobies.htm
There was a story of four hunters who camped on an island overnight and were entertained by a chittering Sasquatch all night just outside of their firelight. They also tried talking back to it to bring it into the light of the fire. The Sass left at dawn's first light.
Cherokee,
You wouldn't know where I could find a copy of that story, would you? Or, if anyone else has heard it and knows where it's been posted on the web, feel free to direct the rest of us.
Everyone knows Albert Ostman's story of being abducted, and to me it's one of the best stories ever involving Sasquatches speaking. According to his tale, he was kidnapped and brought to a Sasquatch camp in the mountains on Vancouver Island in the late nineteen twenties (the link to this story is
http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/classics/ostman.html as excerpted from Apes among us by John Green). Few people mention that he described the creatures "chattering" all night, but not in mere random babbling. They actually seemed to be speaking to one another, especially the large male that had captured him, who Ostman gathered was telling the others how he had been captured and brought back to their home in the mountains, much to the dismay of his Sasquatch "wife".
Of course, according to this account, he also says that an Indian told him about the creatures and called them Sasquatches, and Sasquatch isn't really an Indian word at all, so there's still grey area.
Ya never know, but thanks for all the help, guys!
-Red
You wouldn't know where I could find a copy of that story, would you? Or, if anyone else has heard it and knows where it's been posted on the web, feel free to direct the rest of us.
Everyone knows Albert Ostman's story of being abducted, and to me it's one of the best stories ever involving Sasquatches speaking. According to his tale, he was kidnapped and brought to a Sasquatch camp in the mountains on Vancouver Island in the late nineteen twenties (the link to this story is
http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/classics/ostman.html as excerpted from Apes among us by John Green). Few people mention that he described the creatures "chattering" all night, but not in mere random babbling. They actually seemed to be speaking to one another, especially the large male that had captured him, who Ostman gathered was telling the others how he had been captured and brought back to their home in the mountains, much to the dismay of his Sasquatch "wife".
Of course, according to this account, he also says that an Indian told him about the creatures and called them Sasquatches, and Sasquatch isn't really an Indian word at all, so there's still grey area.
Ya never know, but thanks for all the help, guys!
-Red
QUOTE(Redskelter @ Jan 15 2004, 12:05 AM)
Ya never know
Exactly.
QUOTE(Redskelter @ Jan 14 2004, 12:05 PM)
Cherokee,
You wouldn't know where I could find a copy of that story, would you? Or, if anyone else has heard it and knows where it's been posted on the web, feel free to direct the rest of us.
Everyone knows Albert Ostman's story of being abducted, and to me it's one of the best stories ever involving Sasquatches speaking. According to his tale, he was kidnapped and brought to a Sasquatch camp in the mountains on Vancouver Island in the late nineteen twenties (the link to this story is
http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/classics/ostman.html as excerpted from Apes among us by John Green). Few people mention that he described the creatures "chattering" all night, but not in mere random babbling. They actually seemed to be speaking to one another, especially the large male that had captured him, who Ostman gathered was telling the others how he had been captured and brought back to their home in the mountains, much to the dismay of his Sasquatch "wife".
Of course, according to this account, he also says that an Indian told him about the creatures and called them Sasquatches, and Sasquatch isn't really an Indian word at all, so there's still grey area.
Ya never know, but thanks for all the help, guys!
-Red
You wouldn't know where I could find a copy of that story, would you? Or, if anyone else has heard it and knows where it's been posted on the web, feel free to direct the rest of us.
Everyone knows Albert Ostman's story of being abducted, and to me it's one of the best stories ever involving Sasquatches speaking. According to his tale, he was kidnapped and brought to a Sasquatch camp in the mountains on Vancouver Island in the late nineteen twenties (the link to this story is
http://www.rfthomas.clara.net/classics/ostman.html as excerpted from Apes among us by John Green). Few people mention that he described the creatures "chattering" all night, but not in mere random babbling. They actually seemed to be speaking to one another, especially the large male that had captured him, who Ostman gathered was telling the others how he had been captured and brought back to their home in the mountains, much to the dismay of his Sasquatch "wife".
Of course, according to this account, he also says that an Indian told him about the creatures and called them Sasquatches, and Sasquatch isn't really an Indian word at all, so there's still grey area.
Ya never know, but thanks for all the help, guys!
-Red
Well, there is the famous Osterman story of kidnapping where he discusses his captors language, as well.
Here is an encounter as recalled by Bruce Johnstone Sr and related to Robert Alley and made available in Alley's book Raincoast Sasquatch:
QUOTE
On the 13th of Sept in 1955, two days before the opening of moose season, I was on the bank of the Unuk River with two partners, Ed Roberts and 'Tongass Pete' Bringsli.
We were camped at the bottom of Lake Creek on a little island called Bishop's Island. At the time, over 45 yrs ago,there was only one small patch of trees on the NW corner of the island, not all grown in like it is today. We had our camp there and had a good view of the timbered banks all around us and were quite comfortable
Just as it was getting dark,we heard a noise comming from the far bank,it sounded like a rising and falling series of barking chattering sounds. We answered back, but it waited a minute before answering and was moving along the edge of the trees. It was wailing and making different sounds, and I asked Ed, who had a lot of experience down south with coyotes,if it was a coyote, but he said not.
The sounds were all jumbled together and it sounded as though whatever it was, were trying to put words of sorts together, like it was trying to communicate with us. This would go on every minute or so.
Whatever it was circled around our camp in the forest without ever coming out. It sounded like it was trying to talk to us but didn't quite have the nerve to step out and let us see it. It wasn't real high pitched and was about as loud as us.,like a man talking in a normal voice.
The individual sounds themselves sounded a bit like the sounds made by Tahitan Indians I used to hear long ago,but it wasn't any of the native or white languages I have ever heard in these parts. None of us could figure it out and it quit just as it got dark. It wasn't a porcupine, or any kind of bird that I have ever heard in these parts. It was a bit like the chattering I heard one night in the bush below Bakewell Creek on Smeaton Bay,Misty Fjords, but a bit lower pitched. We didn't know what it was at all. I've never heard anything like it since!
Mr Johnstone's two reports mentioning a speechlike chattering should be noted for further comparison with the 1977 acoustic analysis of the Berry Johnson High Sierra tapes, which will be describer later in this chapter.
We were camped at the bottom of Lake Creek on a little island called Bishop's Island. At the time, over 45 yrs ago,there was only one small patch of trees on the NW corner of the island, not all grown in like it is today. We had our camp there and had a good view of the timbered banks all around us and were quite comfortable
Just as it was getting dark,we heard a noise comming from the far bank,it sounded like a rising and falling series of barking chattering sounds. We answered back, but it waited a minute before answering and was moving along the edge of the trees. It was wailing and making different sounds, and I asked Ed, who had a lot of experience down south with coyotes,if it was a coyote, but he said not.
The sounds were all jumbled together and it sounded as though whatever it was, were trying to put words of sorts together, like it was trying to communicate with us. This would go on every minute or so.
Whatever it was circled around our camp in the forest without ever coming out. It sounded like it was trying to talk to us but didn't quite have the nerve to step out and let us see it. It wasn't real high pitched and was about as loud as us.,like a man talking in a normal voice.
The individual sounds themselves sounded a bit like the sounds made by Tahitan Indians I used to hear long ago,but it wasn't any of the native or white languages I have ever heard in these parts. None of us could figure it out and it quit just as it got dark. It wasn't a porcupine, or any kind of bird that I have ever heard in these parts. It was a bit like the chattering I heard one night in the bush below Bakewell Creek on Smeaton Bay,Misty Fjords, but a bit lower pitched. We didn't know what it was at all. I've never heard anything like it since!
Mr Johnstone's two reports mentioning a speechlike chattering should be noted for further comparison with the 1977 acoustic analysis of the Berry Johnson High Sierra tapes, which will be describer later in this chapter.
*Abbrieviations in the above report are mine, for the sake or brevity in typing out the encounter.*
Another footnote!
The name Sasquatch comes from the Coast Salish Band which range from here in the Fraser Valley , BC idown nto northern Washington. They pronounce it' suhsq' ' 'uhtch. So indeed Sasaquatch is derived from their languege.
Wow!
Another great story. I wasn't aware that Raincoast Sasquatch was available yet. I've been waiting for that one.
I have in fact heard of the term sussq'uhtch, but I wasn't aware that the Salish Indians were the ones using it. Of course, whether or not it's the same spelling, it sounds similar enough to "Sasquatch" that Ostman wouldn't have known the difference, probably!
The truth is out there...
Another great story. I wasn't aware that Raincoast Sasquatch was available yet. I've been waiting for that one.
I have in fact heard of the term sussq'uhtch, but I wasn't aware that the Salish Indians were the ones using it. Of course, whether or not it's the same spelling, it sounds similar enough to "Sasquatch" that Ostman wouldn't have known the difference, probably!
The truth is out there...
QUOTE(Redskelter @ Jan 15 2004, 10:28 PM)
Wow!
Another great story. I wasn't aware that Raincoast Sasquatch was available yet. I've been waiting for that one.
I have in fact heard of the term sussq'uhtch, but I wasn't aware that the Salish Indians were the ones using it. Of course, whether or not it's the same spelling, it sounds similar enough to "Sasquatch" that Ostman wouldn't have known the difference, probably!
The truth is out there...
Another great story. I wasn't aware that Raincoast Sasquatch was available yet. I've been waiting for that one.
I have in fact heard of the term sussq'uhtch, but I wasn't aware that the Salish Indians were the ones using it. Of course, whether or not it's the same spelling, it sounds similar enough to "Sasquatch" that Ostman wouldn't have known the difference, probably!
The truth is out there...
Hurry out and buy it!
It is a goody!
OK, I posted this elsewhere to no avail, so hopefully this will elicit a response.
I've listened several times to the "Sierra Sounds" recordings, and some things strike me about the vocalisations:
1. At an early stage, the voice identified as "The Old Man" makes several prolonged sounds which, to my ear, sound remarkably like someone having difficulty starting a car engine or motorbike. Could it be that BF can mimic mechanical as well as animal noises (eg "Here chicky, chicky")?
2. The interaction between two voices in the recordings produce sounds which appear to be "consonants", particularly the letter "K" or a hard "C". This does not seem to be the kind of sound one would expect to hear from a large primate or other animal - I would imagine they would be largely limited to "vowel" sounds. This suggests to me a form of language, especially since the sounds do not seem totally random.
3. If the "Sierra Sounds" team spent so long up there, why was there not much more recorded material?
4. I recall reading somewhere, I think on a skeptical site, that a BF researcher dismissed these recordings as fake, saying he could produce similar sounds using his cupped hands - now THAT I'd like to hear...does anyone know if any successful replications of such sounds have been recorded?
Sorry for the long post, people - let's hear your thoughts (I don't mean telepathically...!!!)
I've listened several times to the "Sierra Sounds" recordings, and some things strike me about the vocalisations:
1. At an early stage, the voice identified as "The Old Man" makes several prolonged sounds which, to my ear, sound remarkably like someone having difficulty starting a car engine or motorbike. Could it be that BF can mimic mechanical as well as animal noises (eg "Here chicky, chicky")?
2. The interaction between two voices in the recordings produce sounds which appear to be "consonants", particularly the letter "K" or a hard "C". This does not seem to be the kind of sound one would expect to hear from a large primate or other animal - I would imagine they would be largely limited to "vowel" sounds. This suggests to me a form of language, especially since the sounds do not seem totally random.
3. If the "Sierra Sounds" team spent so long up there, why was there not much more recorded material?
4. I recall reading somewhere, I think on a skeptical site, that a BF researcher dismissed these recordings as fake, saying he could produce similar sounds using his cupped hands - now THAT I'd like to hear...does anyone know if any successful replications of such sounds have been recorded?
Sorry for the long post, people - let's hear your thoughts (I don't mean telepathically...!!!)
More thoughts on language and BF here: http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...=20&#entry34150
This topic intrigues me...
Jan
This topic intrigues me...
Jan
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