This is the most impressive Bigfoot chat room I have seen to date. Whoever is responsible for it, GOOD JOB! And the postings show a great deal of intelligence and thought behind them. Anyway, my friend Sherry passed this on to me and I have finally had the opportunity to read it. It is from National Geographic News, October 23, 2003. Moneymaker is quoted as: "Suddenly, there he was, an eight-foot-tall creature, standing 15 feet away, growling at me." Does anyone know more about this as this is the first time I have seen this claim put forth? He claims it happened in eastern Ohio. Might someone know what year??? Thanks, Daniel Perez

You know, I don't know the details of Matt's encounter...


Thanks, but it's a team effort!

Good job anyway to all of you..

Matt told me that he and somebody else were staking out the woods in the middle of the night, just of a trail they thought bigfoots used. I think they had night vision equipment, but not sure. Anyway, they heard something (a couple of somethings) approaching - I think he might have said that there was some kind of chatter going on. Anyway, the whatever it was sensed them before they were able to see it, and stealthily approached closer. Then he said it growled in a manner that in no uncertain terms to took to mean "I'm bigger than you, now GO AWAY !".

I honestly can't remember if he said if he saw them visually. Maybe he did but didnt mention it to me. In any case, it would have been a silhouette at best, given the conditions he described to me.

FYI, I edited the title of this thread for clarity...

Another Language? Is it Feasible?

Belle

I've read maybe two or three reports of people hearing 'gibberish' sounds as if BF were communicating. Also, the Sierra Sounds records have something similar - certainly the sounds are so complex that you would believe it was some kind of language.

folks I spoke with matt moneymaker around ten tears ago, on a Ohio trip he made and it was to my understanding that he said "built like a football player but tall like a basketball player' as far as any vocalizations don't remember that coming up.

was this the story from the 2000 BFRO trip to skookum meadows? if i remember right, they left Moneymaker up on top of a hill alone around 3-4 am after broadcasting calls all night. apparently a bigfoot was in the area?

Sort of off topic, but does anyone know if Matt has a brother named Chris who is a professional poker player?

I dunno. But I'll ask him next time I speak with him and let you know.

I think Moneymaker's alleged sighting is 100% bullshit, so this is why I ask. Can we find out anything more specific from the posters, such as a NAME of the person who was with Matt when this alleged encounter occured. Also, for those of you who have Moneymaker's e-mail address, you might ask him directly. I just found it odd and very weird that Moneymaker would divulge this information to National Geographic News but there is nothing in the BFRO website about it. Think about that for one damn minute. Why not????? If he had a "sighting" for what reason is it not listed in his site. As for the guy in Tennessee, Chris, the poker player who won $1,000,000 recently, I was told the Moneymaker clan is from there, so this might be a relative. I saw his picture(Chris?) and he looks like Matt, but I am not sure if they are related. Matt does have older brothers, but I don't know their names.
Daniel Perez

Well Daniel, since it's such a quandry to you, I'm left wondering why you didn't just ask him about it at the symposium when you had the opportunity to?

While were at it Danny.I've already asked several people to tone down the abusive languge this week..we do have kids who occasionally read this board .And several of the younger generation among recent members..please keep that ion mind..BS works just as well as actually typing out the word...

This reminds me of the *cliques* that we all used to see in high school..... From the sound of this, I guess Danny Perez and Matt Moneymaker are not in the same *clique*....!!!!!

Danny, this is obviously *BFRO country*......Criticize them and their affiliates at your own peril!!!!!!

BFRO country? get a grip... (take a look at some older posts)
Cliques? Maybe some, but then again, aren't they everywhere?

Then again some of us are not affiliated with ANYONE and
Perez's post still comes off as a little sour. Go figure.

Post some more supporting facts, a little less speculation
(who cares whether his brother plays poker, WRT squatch),
and maybe you'll get solid answers.
(No offense to Jaylee, that can be answered, but it's not
relevant here)

Got a beef with someone? Go to the source. If the source screws
you over? Then post that, but until then, why ask us?

I sure didn't mean to stir up anything with my question. I'll slink back into my hole now.

That is a load of crap. And for your information Quake, neither my nor Jim's post has anything to do with BFRO/nonBFRO. I asked a question and Jim told Danny to tone down his language. Now, if you've got a problem with that, feel free to PM either of us and we'll take it up there.

Ummm..Yeah..'cause even as a member I've never questioned or criticized the BFRO... oh..wait, Yep..after a thorough search of the forum..it seems I have.. And Jaylee there are questions and then there are relevant questions... for example :did everyone shower before posting today ? :rolleyes:

Hello All: In 1994 when Matt Moneymaker was in Ohio, he didn't bother to return several phone calls when I left messages, so I haven't bothered to get in touch with him since. As for the September 2003 Bigfoot Symposium in Willow Creek, California, I was not made aware that Matt alleged a sighting and only found out about it in the National Geographic News. While I am on, can you please let Paul Vella know I have misplaced his address and I would like to have it. Finally, I have a few extra copies of my newsletter, Bigfoot Times, for February 2004, so anyone wanting a copy, please drop me a postal mailing address. My Best, Daniel Perez

I will take a copy. I have sent you my address. Thanks.

jimf,

If I say "Yes" top the shower question... does that make me more credible?

(Sorry!... your "non relevant" question kinda struck me funny!)

Have a great day!

Donnie

Thanks Donnie..glad to help. .But it wasn't my question ...

I remember reading somewhere about a sighting by Matt Moneymaker. I forget where I read it but someone stated that he was the most "fearless bigfoot investigator" he knew.

Anyway I think it state that he heard a noise and saw a very large BF standing about 15 or 20 feet away....Matt shined a flashlight directly at the BF's face and it put it's hand over it's eyes like a person would do to shadow it's eyes. Then it supposedly put it's hands down and flexed it's chest muscles like a guy would do who is saying "you wanna fight"??...I don't remember the rest but I remember reading that somewhere....maybe on Bobbi Short's site???

-Janice

Oh...I also seem to remember a drawing of the BF that Matt did that was with the sighting??

Okay..I must have been confused..I found the article I had read with the sketch..I could have sworn it was attributed to Matt but I've never heard of this Jones guy...so anyway this is what I thought I had read....

Observed within the boundaries of the Berlin Lake State Wildlife Area, near Alliance, Ohio, in July of 1994. The sighting occurred around 2:30 AM. The witness, Brian Jones, said he stood approximately 15 feet from the "hairy man" and illuminated it with his flashlight for about 30 seconds. When first hit with the beam of light, the "hairy man" raised its left arm slowly and covered its eyes with its forearm. After a few seconds it slowly let its arm down to its side. It then tightened and flexed its chest and arms slightly, while squinting toward Jones with a stern facial expression. Jones (probably the most fearless bigfoot investigator in Ohio) walked away shortly thereafter. This drawing was made by Jones over the course of a few days, a month or so after the incident.

Here's the sketch:

Anyone have any info on this?



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Matt Moneymaker claims he is a corporate lawyer in Oxnard California. A short time ago, Mr. Moneymaker decided to enter and control the world of Bigfoot. His group is called (bfro), which soon became better known to most as BSro. Mr. Moneymaker is known for posting and spreading lies on his website. He is also known for threatening Bigfoot researchers, asserting that he is a lawyer and that he will ruin their reputations if they don't abide by his demands. He has posted malicious lies about Cliff Crook on his website. This is because he became green with jealousy over the Wild Creek Bigfoot photos owned by Cliff Crook. Mr. Moneymaker demanded that Cliff remove the Wild Creek photo from websites or else!! Or else he would post on his website that Cliff is a hoax and ruin his reputation. Mr. Moneymaker's malicious attempts to destroy the reputations and credibility of others has obliterated his own.


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Gee, that sound familiar...

Notice -- hands do not hang below knee level. Some have pointed out that Patty's arms are too short as they do not come below level of her knee, which seems to be a common aspect of many other sightings.

Might indicate diversity among this species if, of course, this drawing is based on an honest report and not a hoax. Just a thought.

GC...that is CLIFF CROOK!!(yeah, I am yelling..)
Nuff said bout' that..

Well I didn't write it..I just came across it! Ha! Ha!

Ok! I now know who this is! The sinking stuffed thingy!
There are getting to be so many to keep track of!
They are everywhere!

Didn't mean to offend your sensibilities there, NW!

I am an investigator for the BFRO.

I resent the assertions put forth in this thread that Matt Moneymaker is dishonest. That assertion is completely misguided and totally incorrect.

Although I was not with Matt during the experience mentioned here, I can assure you all that Matt Moneymaker's experience happened as he said. It is irrelevant that the experience is not mentioned on the BFRO's public website. There are many BFRO personnel encounters with bigfoots that are not mentioned on the website for a variety of reasons. Chief among those reasons is an avoidance of impropriety.

This forum is not served well with character assassinations and the like. In addition, research of this phenomenon is adversely impacted by this sort of behavior.

Truth be told - anyone can say that anyone's experience is contrived or fabricated and it doesn't alter the fact that the encounter happened. As most of my witnesses tell me, "I don't care if anyone believes me or not - I saw what I saw."

Matt saw what he saw.

Now - let's go look for bigfoot rather than shooting bullets at each other.

Assertations? There was only one!



I am sure that one person's comment does not reflect the opinion of every member of this forum. Better you take your problem up with the person who made the statement!



Now..that I can agree with..

T.T., remember that the forum does not speak with one voice. One person's opinion is not that of everyone's. And in any event, all I really see here is people coming to the defense of Matt, not trying to assassinate his character.

[EDIT] Or, in other words, what GC said!

I have read Matt's report on the BFRO website before (about 4 or 5 months ago).... now.. where did that link go?

pooh voice : "think, think, think...."

Dr. David Daegling e-mailed Matt Moneymaker w/ re to his sighting, but never received a reply to his question. Since Matt did speak with the National Geographic News, I don't see why he would not want to speak with a full qualified anthropologist, formerly from Yale. We just want to find out the details of this fantastic encounter, since Mr. Moneymaker has ALREADY gone on record with having claimed a sighting. If Matt saw what he saw, as Mr. Texas Track has stated, and Matt, being the most important personality in Bigfooting today, certainly we would want to know full details of his most fantastic sighting.

Ummmmm.... welcome.

Daniel, Dr. David Daegling may be a qualified anthropologist but his ability to question the Sasquatch phenomena leaves a lot to be desired. He has gone on record stating that the Patterson creature measurements are well within human measurements. Since that time he has been corrected with the fact that he was looking at the wrong figures. (this information will be published soon).

Now, you have also gone on record tasking other anthropologists who have either been duped or have made a mistake in the Sasquatch field and now pretty much discount anything they have to say. So why are you so interested in why Matt hasn't communicated with Dr. Daegling. I am sure that Dr. Daegling's interest is really being peaked by B. Radford for also being put on hold at providing evidence for him to look at and pander in some new Skeptical Inquirer expose.

When these guys don't get fed, just like sharks, they start eating themselves, including little ones from So Cal. I would watch out and don't get too close.

This was all the NG article said about Moneymaker:

Matt Moneymaker had been searching for Bigfoot for years. In the woods of eastern Ohio, he claims he finally came eye to eye with the elusive primate.

"It was 2 o'clock in the morning and the moon was a quarter full," recalled Moneymaker. "Suddenly, there he was, an eight-foot-tall creature, standing 15 feet away, growling at me. He wanted to let me know I was in the wrong place."


The report I posted was from the BFRO website....but it doesn't say it is Matt Moneymaker but some guy named Brian Jones. I was confused because I sware I had read that report before and it had said it was Matt Moneymaker...but whatever...however...it does say 2:30am...15 feet away...Eastern Ohio....is Brian Jones a psuedonym for Matt Moneymaker?

No, but I think Brian Jones may have been in the Monkees...

That's Davey Jones who was with the Monkees!!

Brian Jones was with the Rolling Stones!

There is no moss growing on either of them, at this time!

He wasn't in the Beach Boys?

You guys slay me!

nah Bip, that's Brian Wilson in the Beach Boys.

Dennis Wilson was with the Beach Boys!

Who are the Beach Boys?

And Brian, and Carl.

And Brian Jones and Dennis Wilson sleep with the fishes in Davey Jones locker.



(Well, Brian Jones died in a pool but that sounded better )

I'm starting to get confused.