Ok just for the sake of this topic lets assume we all agree Bf is territorial.(even if you dont think so remember in this thread YOU ARE )how far do you think a bf would be able to move in a given day taking in to account: cover, food needs,water,avoidance of us,and other possible factors?I would hazard a guess of about 20-25 miles a day based on the above reasons also in certain areas he would have to avoid densley populated areas, like downtown Plant city for instance which would also mean that at certain times of the day he would have to rest and move mostly at night while trying to avoid some of the heavier travelled roads(no matter how strong he is I'm convinced a fast moving Mac truck will end the controversey once and for all )opinions?

I'm guessing the majority of their movement would take place at night. Since they've supposedly got nocturnal vision (or at least much better night vision than us), they could take advantage of the cover of darkness if they really wanted to truck it. I'm thinking more like 35 miles per 24 hours, give or take 5 miles. :wink:

Of course, if they wanted to make a direct trip from point A to point B with few or no stops, it could be signifigantly more than that.

Remember, native american runners could travel up to 100 miles in a day. That's bookin' it!

Hi all.

There is a couple different areas in washington that have more reports than other areas of the state. Skamania county and the Olympic Penninsula these two areas are divided by I-5 which is skirts the cascade foothills. I have been thinking about if these Sasquatch travel inbetween thes two territories. I concluded that if they are doing this they go along the rivers that run under the road. Walking under the bridges of the Cowlitz and Skookumchuck rivers. Using the waterway to its best advantage : cover, food, and a way to avoid human contact (night time) no one monitors a river at night.

What you think?

thanks ken

One of the reasons I'm asking this is I'm trying to make a data base map of sightings for Fl.(trying to seperate the good reports from the bad)Hoping that he has a territorial range in a square miled area as Krantz suggested.it would certainly make an easier serch pattern than waht I've been using.

In that case, let me ammend my answer. As far as territorial range is concerned, I'd guesstimate it to be anywhere from 150 to 200 square miles. That may sound like alot but even if we go with your travel estimate of 25 miles a day that means they could still travel from one end of their range to another in 6 to 8 days.

Twenty five miles ???? BWAAA HAHAHAHAHA

I've backpacked 20 miles in one day ..... well, alright, i WAS younger and in alot better shape

Ok, given the fact that sasquatch move at a higher rate of speed (normal stride) than a human, and significantly faster than a human running, and seem to be able to maintain speed (walk or run) across different topography (steep slopes or flat ground)... i'm going to venture that they can make approx 75 miles in 10 hours, easy. Although, i dont think they go that far, at least not around here. My main study area is actually less than 200 square miles, with the clan i watch in an area of approx 20 miles long, with varying widths.

But it would boil down to food, water, cover, human intrusion. If they feel comfortable, then they would tend to stick in one small area, if all the right circumstances are there, but if humans start walking thru, then they leave, or move deeper into the dense growth.

I recall a set of tracks, which was deemed the same animal , found in upper oregon, and almost-middle california. Thats several hundred miles apart. Perhaps some migrate, some dont ... maybe that particular animal was a lone male, seeking out another clan or females to start a clan of his own. *shrugs* Who knows??

cute blob fishy ... like "The eyes of the Forest" kinda thingy

Wavin'
RobUstes

Let's not forget one important point here and that is an organisms ability to dissipate heat, especially when traveling high rates of speed over long distances. I pointed this out in a post several months ago but will restate.
From descriptions Bigfoot is most likely a highly efficient anaerobic animal. That is adapted for intensive bouts of work involving speed or strength for relatively short lengths of time. Most physiologists put the the 50/50 ratio of aerobic to anaeorobic work at about two minutes of high intensity. Above that time and aerobic energy pathways begin to dominate. One limiting factor to maintaining high aerobic outputs for many minutes is heat dissipation. If you can't get rid of the heat build up in your body core efficiently, you will begin to slow down.
The ability to dissipate heat is dependent on two importants things:
1. Number of sweat glands per sq. in.
2. ratio of body surface area to body mass.

Humans have quite a bit more sweat glands than other primates and Bigfoot probably does not have the amount humans do. Bigfoot is also covered by a large amount of body hair which further restricts heat dissipation. His size is another give away-at 7/8 ft. tall and 400lbs +/_ 100 his ratio of body surface area to weight is quite low. The best distance runners in the world have low body weight with large surface area, they are SMALL! ex. Haile Gebresalassie of Ethipopia(world record holder in the 5K and 10K) is 5'3" 112 lbs. Even the world record holder in the mile Hicham El Guerroj is only 129Lbs, 5'9".
What does this mean for Bigfoot? He most likely is capable of great feats of strength and fast movement for up to 1/2 mile even over steep terrain. He is unlikely to purposely attempt to travel long distances say over five miles at a high rate of speed because he simply could not do it without experiencing hyperthermia and cardiovascular collapse.
I'm not saying he couldn't travel up to 75 miles in a day but it would have to be cool weather(say under 60 degrees) he would not be far from water at all times and he wouldn't be that fast. Plus I don't think he could even travel a few miles faster than a well trained human.
The caveat here is of course how many Bigfoot hunters are highly trained people( I mean the ability to run, say 10 ,miles under 50 minutes), not many I presume. Plus Bigfoot would have the advantage in travelling through brush that humans or horses would have a hard time in.

all this math is nice but......i've seen only 2 animals at night... the rest were in the daytime.....of the 200 or so folks whom i've interviewed over the years...the vast majority saw animals during the day......

I JUST DONT GET IT!!!! If you really have this 'clan' narrowed down to that range...then why doesn't everyone get together and stake the h-e-double-toothpicks outta the place and FINALLY catch a bigfoot or at least take a video of the thingie.....with all these folks seeing 'em....WHY CAN'T WE FIND ONE FOR REALS ??

Sometimes that really bugzzz me......if they are for reals why aren't they known to science...and not just here, but in Russia (Almasty) or China (Wildman) or the Himalayas (Yeti) etc etc....why all these legends and stories all over the world and nothing to show for it??? I mean the evidence is quite convincing, but lets be honest.....everything we have so far COULD be faked......its highly unlikely, but it COULD be.....this COULD be simply a legend and some highly imaginative hoaxers and don't put anything past a determined goof-ball who loves to pull yer leg.....

Anyway sorry for the rant, but sometimes the mystery isn't fun anymore and I reall start to wonder about the whole bigfoot thing again...... :roll:

(Must be Wednesday or Sunday.....those are the days when I think anyone who believes in such a silly thing as a bigfoot, is completely looney....myself included!)

BTW Lycurgus....interesting facts you present.....thank-you for that physiological explanation......or however you spell them scientific words....

.But the Main queston is, were you trying to not be seen by anyone daytime travel could be nearly nil at most points.add 10 miles per each directional travel,for instance hes going north to a certain watering hole but on that 30 mile journey which he could straightline in a matter of hours he has to wait on traffic to clear,go an extra 15 miles out of his way to avoid poulation areas,rest eat and sleep as needed that is why I was guessing 25 miles travel,sorry should have been clearer.

I'm workin' on it
but they always know when your comein'.

Yeah, whats up with that ????

Its interesting how in some reports, if they are to be believed....the bigfoot thingie approaches the witness/plural witness'.....

But I guess, bears for instance..have the same differences in personalities.....some bears will approach people or raid camps and others are quite shy.....I wonder if the reports of bigfoot thingies who come up to peoples are mostly of males? I really wonder about reports like Missouri Mo Mo who was very aggresive and other reports of quite hostile behavoir......BIG bad males????

And howcome researchers hardly ever actually see em? All your hard work for naught ....no fair greenhorns get to have all the shock ...I mean luck .....

Msfit
Its all about Comfort Zones ..... if the animal feels comfortable being close , when IT wants to be ... then it happens. But if we try to force anything, they flee.
They are keenly aware of their habitat, whats where and whos who. Birds are our biggest enemy in the research gig. They shout out to the woods that we are approaching, and the sasquatch hear this. Thats why you wont get close to one in the daytime, unless the animal is familar with you and it wants to be gotten close to.

Big Bad Mo, may be just an animal defending territory (juvi's in the area? a sick animal?). I know they have different personalities, just like humans or dogs. Some play wiht dogs, some kick dogs. Some like humans, others dont. Some are really curious, others run before you get close enough to know they were there.

I think alot of it has to do with how they were responded to by humans. The "bad tempered" ones, i speculate have been shot at, or people see them and scream or throw things.

I have to agree with Rob in that they probably have different personalities. Even dogs have different dispositions. One dog might run up to you and lick your face and wag his tail and another one of the same breed might attack without warning. With dogs, it depends on their former encounters with humans or any kind of training they have had or if they percieve you as some kind of threat.

One thing I can say about your statement of surrounding these creatures and capturing them is that this is much harder than it sounds. Once you are out there in the woods near them and your hair is already standing up on your neck, and you really have no defense against this big powerful creature, let alone a whole family of them, well then you start to get the picture. Are you brave enough to take them on? I'm not.
It would take a well thought out plan and some really powerful weapons and a lot of brave people to undergo such an endeavor. And even then, at first glimpse of your weapons, they are going to flee most likely and when you start circling them, they are going to know it and they are not going to let you corner them. They will be more likely to corner you!
Remember us humans are in "their" domain out there. We might could out manuever them in our own backyards, but they will best us in theirs.

Look at the link i posted it includes a movement speed and other stats.

have a look

ken