Hello again, fellow 'footers! I've been away for a bit, and I've made some great life changes in my absence. I'm now living in California (closer to my quarry!), have a great new job, new home, and a FAT DSL pipe to surf the cyberwave with! I've been keeping up with things the best I could here at our beloved BFF, and I wanted to post on a subject that is STILL intriguing me, and others I hope.

What ever happened to TimberGhost and the Honobia story???

I know.... Most everybody has completely blown this one off, but this story really made an impact on me, and I still believe in TimberGhost's authenticity. Let's revisit this for a moment (and yes, I have Bip's permission to do so )

There are a few people in this forum that actually know TimberGhost personally (not me). When this story broke, those people backed him up with authority and conviction, and some of these people I have great respect for on this forum, and have gotten to know them better through pm's and email. The best part about TimberGhost and his story (beyond the obvious) is that he wasn't looking for the hype. I never once caught him in a lie or contradiction in his posts, and I don't think anyone else did either during their cross-examinations

I know what you all are thinking right now..... Since we have heard nothing further from TimberGhost, the whole thing must have been bullshit. But was it? He did not seem anything of the type of person to start a BFF food fight... hell, he even didn't want to post at first until invited and coaxed by other members that he knew.

My point? I want to know what's going on these days with TimberGhost and Honobia, an I personally invite him back to update us on what I feel may be one of the most incredible BF visitation stories/situations ever experienced (if legit). For those of you unfamiliar with this story, check it out in the archives "Siege at Honobia" (I think that's the thread).

Let's put the feeder tentacles out there and pull in what we can on this bit. I still think it was (is?) one of the most incredible events ever to be posted here at BFF. If it was BS, a friggin' award should be given, and a sci-fi book/movie should be commissioned at once! If it truly was (is) legit, let's bring it back into the light and give it one more crack.......

It's good to be back, my friends!

welcome back gg. i think you may have already been goen when i found this forum.

i dont know anything about that honobia thread, but i'll look it up after work tonight.

you're living near my hometown now! i was raised in napa, and very briefly lived in american canyon.

gael

Hey Liebling! Yes, American Canyon is right around the proverbial corner! Thanks for the welcome back....

By all means, check out the Honobia thread. If true, it's incredible. If false, it's fantastic shtick!

Definitely, Welcome Back GG

I read the Honobia thread awhile back. Spent a couple hours on it. Interesting, I may have to go back to jar my memory some

Thanks

I would like to read that thread. Could someone please post it as I tried to find it but must have overlooked it.

Thanks.

Here you go.

Thanks Bipto.

Hello GG!

I've wondered about Honobia off and on since it first became public. The first time I read it I was almost mesmerized by the story. I sincerely hope that there is some truth to this and that there is some sort of effort taking place to keep up with current events in that area.

To echo GG's request - does anyone have current information on this?

Good to see the firestarter back.


The only concern I have for the Honobia thing is, what were the results of the scalp sample being sent in and compared with the GCBRO DNA sample?

They did say they were going to do this. Will anything come about ?

I'm not trying to put out your fire before it gets started, but you might go here and ask him:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/200310

I believe this is his message board.

And, you would be doing yourself a favor if you get HIS version of the WHOLE story.

Hey GG!!! Good to see you back you bream-slaying ^#%$$@&^#

Thanks Spork77!!! I've yet to find the Bream out here in California, but I'm working on it

EasTexSteve- Have you forgotten? I'm one of the die hards who followed TimberGhost's story from the beginning. I've also contacted him personally through email for most of the duration of the original incidents. I'm quite familiar with his story, unless it has suddenly changed. What news do you have for us? Sounds like you have an opinion, but are leary to post it here. C'mon dude...... Spill it!

Heyyy, GG! Welcome back! I had you on a "missing persons" report a couple of months ago, wondered where the heck you and a few others had gone. Good to see you back!

GG, now that you're in the Vallejo, CA area, one of my old stomping grounds, some tips for things to do. Hit Marine World-Africa USA in Vallejo; great animal programs and, if they're walking the tigers, orangs, etc., you get to interact with them. Out by the airport is probably one of the greatest steak houses in the USA. Mad Cow Disease be damned, their steaks and menu is to die for. Oh, and don't forget the wine! You're in the Napa Valley now. Enjoy!

Mmmmmmm...... The madder the cow, the better

Thanks for the tips squatchwatch, I have no beef with living here at all!

And the wine..... Ahh yes, the wine....... *hiccup*

Hmm ... That's the anti-Carnation Cow.

(Carnation's a town about 20 miles east of Seattle, where the company started, I think.)

PS--You're right, a follow-up to the Honobia story would be interesting. E.g., have the BF moved on to harass any neighbors?

I was just suggesting that you get the story from the source. But, it sounds like you have already done that.

I'm not familiar with every detail, but I did meet the Humphrey's and got a general rundown of the events while sitting across a campfire one night.

Welcome Back again GG!
I'll let this one lay..but will lurk along in the shadows..

I also enjoyed the account posted here. I would really like to know if they got a pic of the metal gate that was bent back (or forward) ? Or any other things possibly Bf-related as to the house being broken into.

Isn't this the same story that was told in chapter 4 of Powel's book THE LOCALS?

Man that was a good read EasTexSteve. Getting the story from there really tells us way too much I think. In my mind it throws water on that ole fire thing.
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"but in their defense....the money may be used to off set casting material expense.

Only group I ever heard of that carries 600 to 700 pounds of plaster around when they get out on their annual roundup.

You need not worry about someone hurting their back carrying the heavy bags into the deepest of forests. They make all their castings next to the road. Drive up...dump the plaster into a wallow...drive off...next vehicle..."
from Monster...

You guys are too much! LOL! I guess misery really does like company.

This site should probably be renamed "We hate the BFRO" message board. Then everything would make more sense, cause right now it doesn't. What you are doing, putting things such as this garbage, into words, doesn't make them fact and I would hope that your more intelligent viewing audience here would see through your thin veil of misinformation, petty differences and cheap shots at other's who would attempt to do the same things you are... but are apparently doing better or are more successful at it.

The BFRO makes a claim and they show the evidence to the public that in their opinion backs it up. They even go out and solicit expert opinion on it. Now, can you say you do the same thing. I think the majority of your readers here are hoping that you do or will. That is why they are here.
From Rick Noll
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True, but how is this related to Honobia?

No facts, no evidence, just BS and mud slinging. The story is dripping with it.

Not much to tell. I wasn't there. Their story is consistent. Other than that, I can't fan the flames for you on this one. Would you prefer I play the BFRO game by calling the press, getting all the "who's who" in BFland together, and then stating that it MIGHT be or COULD be bigfoot related? Then, I suppose I could hire Bob Gimlin to head up some horseback riding expeditions down into Honobia in search of cud b*lls. Heck, we could even charge $800 a pop to any suckers that wanted to tag along!

However, as I understand, the BFRO WAS THERE and blew their chance at collecting any evidence. As I understand it, the Humphreys' couldn't even get the BFRO investigators to leave the front porch!



Ya gotta get off the front porch, Rick. LOL!



Boy, you BFRO guys seem to have a hard time dealing with skepticism.

Oh god, here we go again. :rolleyes:

Listen, I've only been here a month, so I don't know what kind of political BS has transpired in the past. But, this kind of garbage is completely asinine.

Insecurities, jealousies, cynicism, rivalries, one-upmanship... I don't care what the h*ll motivates it or what anyone calls it. It's just way too common and patently obvious, and doesn't further anyone's sasquatch goals under any pretense (i.e. truthfulness, honesty, critical thinking).

Please cut it out and play nice in the sandbox boys and girls.

I hear you, Jud. However, if you're like me, the more you find out about the historical charaters in BF research, the more you find out that everything that goes on today is just a continuation of the same old dance, just with new partners.

I'm not saying it's OK or anything, just how it's always been...

For sure. I still wonder what happened to the alleged scalp matter that was sent in to be compared to the alleged GCBRO DNA sample. I would ask Lansdale himself but that only works if it is discussed on his terms with HEAVY moderating during the session.

Right now I chalk it up to as much validity as the sample it is being compared with.


I have heard both sides of the story. I wish the one would speak up a little louder in their defence but some folks are not into that. I guess at this point, no evidence was collected, the claim cant be verified, and there is really no way to get to the bottom of this without a sample. Who is right? Who is wrong? I dont think it matters anymore with this case.

PS FWIW, the scalp matter I speak of was not collected from the Honobia shooting incident and I didnt mean to infer that it was. Supposedly it was taken during a hunting trip not related to the incident. But curious to know if there ever was a match

If my memory serves me right, in the very brief time frame the BFRO had the siege story on there web sight, they said they were going to look into buying property in the area and duplicating the situation for research purposes. Does anyone know if that idea went any where? Maybe thats were the $800.00 a pop to hang out in the woods with 120 of your closest friends is going to go.

It's not politics. It's called disingenuousness. It's called playing semantics. It's called doing or saying anything to make a buck.



Why bother playing? If you really want to know, just go to the link I posted above and ask Timberghost himself! I found the part about the "investigation" quite amusing. I know that going to the source for the answers might cut this thread short and not give you much to argue about, but I think you can handle it.

OK, I think I already know the answer to this already, but can't TG come here? He has an account. He's free to ask or answer just about any question he likes. It just seems logical since the one's asking the questions are here, not there.

That being said, I encourage anyone with a question for TG to go on over and ask him. While you're at it, tell him we got a chair pulled out for him...

In case anyone wants to read it, the text of the report is in the original Honobia thread I linked to earlier. If I remember right, there's more than one version.

Welcome back, GG! I don't have enough time to read this entire thread (I never have enough time, way too many threads to read!) oh shoot, I forgot what I was even going to say!!

Gotta get to the in-laws to watch football!

Been keeping up with this one for a while, since it's a pretty short drive from the 'stead. I've read a ton of posts on TG's site, for one can get a fair window into a person by observing how they represent their tale and respond to inquiries over time.

Yeah, TG is a pretty feisty dude, sometimes a bit defensive (who could blame him, really?), but seems to be an intelligent fellow who has his act together. I've asked a few people who know more about this than I do about TG, and he consistently receives high marks as a solid individual. After growing up and living as an outdoor enthusiast in Texas/Arkansas, I've become pretty familiar with all the types of good ol' boys running around here, varying degrees of redness on their necks. Like any group of people, some of 'em I wouldn't trust with fifty cents, others I'd trust with my life, or hell, even my guitar.

I think TG appears to be a trustworthy individual and I've not seen any reason not to take him seriously and treat him with respect. While I'd love to have more accounts of activity coming from his camp, I hope more that his family finds peace so that they can, like evey person ideally should, feel safe and happy on their piece of the land.

I'd have given a small, lesser body part to have been with them when the dung hit the air moving machine, and to this day would love to meet TG and go fishin' or something, LOL. Seems like my kinda guy.

Well.... I've gone to TimberGhost's website and personally invited him back to the BFF for a brief revisitation of the Honobia encounters. Apparently they want nothing to do with it, because my post never made it past the moderator, and was not put on the message board.

I respect TimberGhost and I really do believe the events at Honobia. Yet, the flow of information (or lack of it) is so damn stubbornly given that it pisses many people off bigtime, including myself. It appears that we won't be getting any new information about Honobia. I have read through the posts at TimberGhost's site, and have not gleaned anything spectacular regarding current events.

With that said........ case closed I guess. :rolleyes:

That is why most claims of any kind blow up on forums. It's way too easy to be attacked, to infer an attack when none was there, to get defensive and attack back, to look like you're trying to hide something or be evasive even if you're not. It's a true drawback to this kind of communicaiton. If there's a way around it short of previewing and rewriting every post, I don't know what it is.

Honestly, I have no idea what happened to TG. Could be crap, could be the real deal. IMO, it's entirely based on how he has presented his case and argued the objections, which has been rough.

IMHO, the very besy job I've seen of presenting and defending a claim was that done by DDA regarding the Skookum cast.

NOTE: Everyone who feels this is board exists to worship the BFRO can now feel free to roll their eyes in disgust. (I should just add that to my signiture...)

I think DDA did an outstanding job presenting his story and defended himself in a very patient fashion. Not once did he blow up on anyone who doubted his claim. I wish that could be said of other folks out there.

As far as making that BFRO worship? Nah, just shows what a good guy he is and an asset he provides to the org . They should be very proud to have him.

Yes Rick, we got the point a long time ago, in your eyes, the BFRO can do no wrong. :rolleyes:

In case you have forgotten, the BFRO had their hand in on this whole Honobia thing also, and Miles sure did a great job when he was there, didn't he.

I don't hate the BFRO, I'm just getting tired of hearing about them all time.

Whoops!

I guess my post did indeed make it up on Timber's message board. For some reason, I didn't see it this morning. My apologies for my erroneous statement earlier!

Now, let's see if TimberGhost will kindly enlighten us to any recent happenings at Honobia! C'mom Timber.............. pppppllllleeeeaaaaassssseeeee

GG,
Your post was approved yesterday when I found it. Just the same as Rick Noll's, whoever he is.

As far as recent happenings, other than hearing a few vocals, and a encounter last blackpowder season, I have nothing to report as far as "good stuff" goes. I did recieve a verbal report from some locals last winter of one of these creatures chasing two young boys back to their house, but was unable to find out any more than that about it. People in the area still hear strange noises, find unusual tracks, ect. but mostly keep a tight lip about what they see and experience after seeing what happened to my brother and I. Many of them confide in us some of the things they have seen and experienced, as well as new areas of activity, and we won't break their confidence.

I mostly stay closer to home these day's and focus on the creatures here close. I do try to get over to Honobia as often as I can but those creatures are much more leary than they once were. I suppose it's from being shot at.

All the good I can see in re-hashing all this is folks will get mad, me included.

And Skunkhunter. The hair sample I sent to Jim Lansdale we can't say for sure is BF hair. I said that from the start. However, my brother was tracking one of them in a creekbed for a little ways when the hair was found, and it was found about 7 ft. off the ground which made us believe the chances are good.

What I heard from Jim was that the lab would wait until all the testing was done on his DNA sample before trying to match the hair found in Oklahoma. The last time I spoke with Jim was about a month, or maybe a little more ago. He said the primate primers the lab was waiting for had finally made it, and they were about to re-start the testing. He also told me he agreed with the lab to give them time to write their report on the testing when everything is complete. He then said he would release the info he recieves from them.

Timber- THANK YOU for the update!

I'm not surprised that the activity in your area has subsided, with all the chaos associated with the shootings and confrontations that occured. Please keep us updated as often as possible on any activities you encounter. I know you don't really enjoy coming here to post, but the fact that you did once again shows your quality. Thanks man....... Morgan

Incoming OFF TOPIC:


I'll admit it, I have a PERSONAL problem with anyone that 'owns' a forum and moderates the posts BEFORE they're posted. You can use the excuse of 'it's your right to do whatever you want' but that's just a cover for something else in your mind-set that won't allow you to see, and more importantly, show all sides of a story. In MY OPINION, and yes, luckily I can express it here openly, your whole 'Bigfoot' story is SUSPECT now.

I'd take a clue from this board if I was you sir. I think Bipto and crew here have a very liberal 'light handed after-the-fact approach' and allow the 'heads to roll' where they may. The one exception being 'convicted trolls' and as much as that pains ME personally, I do understand that aspect.

Good luck out there as I'm almost sure you'll need it.

"Harry"

While I don't disagree with you, I will say that Net54 forums (if that's still what TG's using) have very limited tools to deal with those you don't want around. Screening posts is about it, AFAIK.

I'm not saying that's why TG does it, but there are some with Net54 forums that do it for that reason.

Fair enough. If that's the reason he has to then it's understandable. I do hate the overall format and 'interface demeanor' of those Net54 forums. Anything short of that I think he's got some 'splainin' to do.

"Harry"

Cool thanks for the update.

I recall that the hair was found while hunting or something of that nature and not positive on it being Sasquatch. At first I thought that, then remembered it was from an entirely different time, location, and event. I think I made a remark about that later.

To those that may think I said it was from the shooting incident.( heck maybe I did) Sorry about that, it was in fact from a hunting trip at another time and not related to the shooting. I remembered the possible DNA being sent in and I associated it with the shooting.

It's either moderate the forum, or give EB and his like a truckload of dirty bombs.
What would you do?
:rolleyes:

The man most definitely has a point. But TG, do you really think EB would care if those bombs were dirty or not.

Exactly what you did. Then I'd ditch Net54 and move to new forum from Invision that everyone's switching over to...

Actually I dont see Timber as the type to moderate things to his liking. I dont know, I never got into a pissing contest with him. Dont intend on it either.

Harry I know where you are comming from, most other Net 54 board operators moderate things to angle their view or argument. I dont think Timber does that.

I can name a few, but some folks here are still pals with them.

I don't change the wording on any post. If you'll go back and read thru the posts, I've allowed some pretty deep cut's towards me. I only delete those that I feel are a little too profane or demeaning to me OR anyone else. More times than not, reguardless of personal attack or not, I allow the post. It doesn't mean I reply to it.