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Fishbone35
I'd just like to say that I don't know Mr. Steve Hyde but I'd sure like to meet the man one day so I could shake his hand.

I got this from a good friend some time ago and I really should have shared it here a while back. Oh well, better late than never.

Take it to heart, folks. This guy speaks volumes of truth.

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SIX THINGS A NEW BIGFOOT RESEARCHER SHOULD THINK ABOUT

by Mr. Steve Hyde

I want to state right up front that I don't consider myself a particularly smart
person or a very experienced researcher. I do however try to learn from observation and
the successes and failures of others. If you're new to the field of Bigfoot research it's
vitally important that you learn to develop this ability. You can learn a lot from watching
what other people in the so-called "Bigfoot community" do, from what brings them good
results and also what gets them into trouble. What follows are a few of the things that I
have observed and learned over the years, and that you need to consider if you are new to
this field. I hope that you will find them helpful.


1.BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE, HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

It may seem an odd question, but now is the time to ask it. Just why do you
want to go look for Bigfoot? Your answer may be that you simply want to satisfy your
own curiosity, that you want to see it for yourself. That's fine. Or you may want to prove
that it exists. That's fine too. But you need to ask this of yourself, because your answer
will greatly affect how you go about the quest.

If you only want to satisfy yourself, then congratulations! You're the one that will
probably have the most fun doing this. Only you know what your standard of proof is and
it can be as high or as low as you want. If you're out in the woods and see a strange
shadow or hear an odd noise or see that faint mark that just might be a track and it
makes your hair stand on end, maybe that's all that needs to happen for you to be
convinced. That's great and nobody should have a problem with that. But you need to
realize that your experiences are not going to matter to anyone but yourself.

If you're out to prove the existence of Bigfoot to someone other than yourself, I'm
afraid you have a much tougher journey ahead of you. It's no longer your own standard of
proof that must be met, you must now meet the standard of proof of whomever you're
trying to convince. Even if that other person believes in Bigfoot's existence in the same
manner as you, he or she may not interpret your evidence or experience the same way
you do.

If you're going to prove the existence of Bigfoot to the world at large, you'll have to
meet the standards of proof of the world at large, and the world looks to the mainstream
scientific community to set those standards. And science demands concrete physical
proof. If you claim to have discovered a previously unknown species of animal, you will
have to produce substantial physical proof sufficient to be able to describe and classify it
with scientific rigor. The only proof that will accomplish this is a body or a substantial
piece of a body. Mainstream science has always demanded this, and it always will. You
might as well get used to that fact now because it won't change, no matter how badly you
may wish it to be otherwise and no matter how frustrated you may get at not being able to
find it. Your only available options are to kill or capture one or look for one that died of
other causes. Nothing else will do; not pictures, not casts, not hair, not trace DNA, not
tape recordings, not film and not stories. You will discover quite quickly that the Bigfoot
"community" is sharply divided between those who convey a willingness to obtain a
specimen by deadly force and those who object to harming the animals on moral grounds.
Although both sides can present good arguments to support their viewpoint, when it
comes to proving the animals exist the researchers willing to kill or capture a specimen
are the only ones who will have a reasonable chance of accomplishing their goal. Those
who object to this method are left with the option of chance discovery of remains, the
possibility of which is extremely remote.


2.BE WARY OF PEOPLE. YOU WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT HUMAN NATURE THAN YOU EVER WILL ABOUT BIGFOOT.

This occurs in a number of ways. As with any group of people who interact with
each other, there are always the fusses, fights and squabbles, the making and breaking of
friendships and alliances. One thing you will learn is that the Bigfoot community is indeed a microcosm of society in general. Human weaknesses abound in this field. You will encounter the typical variety of ordinary folks, intellectuals, nut cases, pricks and morons.  But there are some individuals to whom you should be particularly wary. There exists in the world a large group of people who think that anyone who believes in and/or spends time researching Bigfoot (or UFOs or paranormal phenomena) is by definition an idiot. There are a number of people within that group who decide to try and take advantage of the "idiots" by jerking them around psychologically for their own amusement. Look at any of the numerous Internet message boards and you'll see this happening. The most common tactic used is to bait someone into an exchange of personal attacks. This will quickly draw others into the fray, and any ongoing civil discussion degenerates hopelessly. The instigators usually try to portray themselves as believers of some sort, but it becomes apparent pretty quickly that they have little or no real knowledge of the subject. You will also encounter "eyewitnesses" who do the same thing. They will contact you and report a sighting or experience just to mess with you. The best policy is to blatantly ignore them. When they don't succeed in baiting you they will disappear.

There are also a number of people who try to take advantage of the "idiots" by
making money off of them. These people generally take great pains to elevate themselves
in stature among the believers by constantly extolling their own virtues, exploits and
discoveries but never seem to have any evidence to back any of it up. When questioned
they become extremely defensive, almost to the point of hysterics in some cases. And
they always seem to be trying to sell you something, be it a book, a membership to their
organization, equipment, knowledge, merchandise, whatever. And cases of this are
becoming more prevalent. Again, ignoring them is the best policy.

As for the cynics (I differentiate them from mere skeptics), know that you will
always have the advantage over them. It's very easy to be cynical, especially about a
subject as elusive and complex as Bigfoot. Cynics think there is very little risk involved in taking their position, but there is one great risk. It is impossible for them to prove that
Bigfoot does NOT exist; there is no practical way for them to do that. It is entirely
possible for you TO prove it if it DOES exist, if you find that elusive body. Then you can
pull the toilet handle and make them all swirl down into the septic tank of irrelevance, and the last word would be all yours.


3. BE OBJECTIVE. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THEORY AND A
BELIEF.

People's ideas about Bigfoot are much like people's ideas about God. Each
person has his or her own unique concept, and it will range from quite logical to seemingly drug-induced. I'm quite sure you have your own opinions about Bigfoot, but if you're going to be a good researcher you will need to consider your opinions in the light of theory and not of belief. The reason is simple; if you consider your opinions to be a working theory, then you can be flexible and modify or change your theory as necessary to fit the empirical evidence you gather and analyze. If your opinions constitute a heart-felt emotional belief, then you will tend to stick to that belief regardless of any evidence that would contradict it.

At present my own working theory of Bigfoot is that it is a quite normal animal, a
species of ape somewhat similar to the great apes we are familiar with. I call it a working
theory simply because I conduct my research using assumptions I have made based on
my theory. But I'm careful to keep an open mind and to try and be objective. If I were to
come across good evidence that Bigfoot is a hominid more closely related to humans
than the great apes or something else entirely, like the whole phenomenon is an
extraordinary human hoax or some type of mass hysteria, then I wouldn't have much
problem changing my working theory. But if I had a deep heart-felt emotional belief that
Bigfoot was (for example) a humanlike being with near-human intelligence and I acted
accordingly, my belief would constantly cloud my judgment and I could never be an
effective researcher, even if my belief in the end proved to be correct.

4. ALWAYS QUESTION YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.

Remember that all theories and beliefs are based on assumptions, some more
valid than others. And it's important to question your basic assumptions occasionally.
Most researchers automatically assume that Bigfoot actually does exist and that is
always the first assumption in need of challenging, but there are others. For example,
there is a popular theory that Bigfoot is (or is a descendant of) the fossil ape species
Gigantopithecus Blacki. It's a perfectly logical theory; there is in fact a documented fossil
species of large ape that is thought to have lived between 1 million to 300,000 years ago,
and scientists have inferred from the fossils certain characteristics that match closely with
the more consistent descriptions of Bigfoot. But there are some shaky assumptions
involved. G. Blacki is the only fossil species of large ape we know about, but that doesn't
mean it was the only species that ever existed. And we only have G. Blacki's jaws and
teeth. No cranium or other remains have been found to date. In fact, the only thing we
know for sure about G. Blacki is that it was apelike and had big jaws. There is also a
popular theory that Bigfoot is a relic animal, an ancient species that somehow managed
to survive the Pleistocene epoch and remain in its primitive form. This may indeed be the
case, but on the other hand Bigfoot may be a species that has undergone as much or
even more evolution in the last million years than we have. It may actually be a form quite advanced from its prehistoric ancestors. We simply don't know. But it shows that we must be mindful of the assumptions we make.

5. BE SKEPTICAL, OBJECTIVE AND REALISTIC ABOUT EVIDENCE AND KNOW ITS LIMITATIONS.

We all get excited whenever we find evidence, especially if we think it's
compelling or of high quality. You must realize that unless your find consists of a body,
your evidence will be considered circumstantial. That is, the interpretation of the evidence depends a great deal on the circumstances of its acquisition; where it was found, how it was found, who found it, etc. and the predisposition of the interpreter to accept or reject it. We also have to be realistic about the possible impact the different types of evidence can have regardless of its quality.

Footprint casts. These are probably the most famous pieces of Bigfoot evidence.
This type of evidence tends to have very little effect in trying to prove anything because of the possibility of misinterpretation and of forgery. The ones with dermal evidence aren't really much better, since they can only further demonstrate what DIDN"T make the print. You can demonstrate that a human foot or a known ape foot DIDN'T make the impression by noting dermal or anatomical characteristics that are different from those feet, but you cannot adequately describe what DID make it. I personally don't think that footprint casts by themselves really matter much anymore, and I quit casting tracks some time ago. To me tracks are more valuable in context. I'm more concerned now with what they can tell me about where, when and why the animal goes on its travels. As you go in the field, don't be real concerned about bringing plaster with you. Except in very extraordinary circumstances casting tracks is a waste of time. You're better off learning how to study them in the ground.

Photographs and film. Some very well known (to us, anyway) pieces of evidence
fall into this category. They also tend to be the most controversial, and their actual value
as evidence is hotly debated. You have the same problems here as with footprints since
there is always the possibility of misinterpretation and forgery. As with casts, you can at
most demonstrate only the possibility that something was indeed recorded on film. The
Patterson film and the saga surrounding it should be an abject lesson to all those who
think that film evidence by itself can be demonstrable proof of the animal's existence. It's
valuable only if the person examining it is already predisposed to believe in the animal's
existence. It will never constitute evidence to those who are not. If you are predisposed
to accept it, film and video can be valuable. Much was learned about the animal's actual
appearance and movement from the Patterson film by those who chose to accept it as
genuine. So it is worthwhile to take a camera with you on your trips, just don't expect
any real recognition to come from it no matter how good your results may be. The most
you can hope for is to perhaps convince someone to pay closer attention to the
phenomenon.

Hair and trace DNA. I lumped these two together because they are both
analyzed much the same way. They also have the same problems as the first two
categories. At most, you can only demonstrate what it is NOT. Hair and DNA can only
be tested by comparing them to known control samples. If they don't match to any
known samples, then the result will be inconclusive. Think about it. The only way you
could positively identify a hair or DNA sample as coming from a Bigfoot is if you had a
known, beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt sample of Bigfoot hair or DNA to compare it to. If
you had such a substantial sample that it was known beyond all doubt to be Bigfoot then
you wouldn't have to resort to the DNA analysis. The mystery would already have been
solved by conventional means at that point. I always have to shake my head whenever I
see or hear of someone chasing the unmatchable trace DNA in bits of hair and feces and
the like trying to use it as proof, always to no avail. But I wouldn't tell you not to bother
collecting this type of evidence, since it's as close as most of us will ever come to
actually holding in our hands a bit of the unknown. If you're the sort who is into UFOs,
it's sort of like going to Roswell and finding a sliver of metal in the side of that hill. There's no real way of knowing, but it could be. And that's personally satisfying for a lot of people.

Anecdotal evidence. This includes eyewitness accounts and the second-hand
stories that you always hear. Keep in mind that human eyewitnesses are notoriously
unreliable, and no two people will describe anything, much less a Bigfoot, in exactly the
same way. And since you weren't there when it happened, you not only have to deal with
whatever facts the witness can give you but also the witness' own interpretation of those
facts. Was it really a Bigfoot he heard screaming, was it really a panther, or was there
really even a scream at all? Ultimately the witness might seem pretty sure, but you can
never be. Two people may see the same animal at the same range at the same time.
One will see a dark-colored animal with prominent ears; one may see a light-colored
animal with no visible ears. The difference? Perhaps just the angle of the head and the
angle of the ambient light on the hair with respect to each witness, which could be very
different. The veracity, abilities and motives of the witness come into play too. For these
reasons and many others, eyewitness testimonies and anecdotes are intriguing but not
worth much in the way of solid evidence. They are often the only things you as a
researcher have to work with, but your interpretation of them is entirely subjective and you
alone have to decide how to act on them.


6. THE BIGFOOT MYSTERY IS SOLVABLE, AND YOU CAN BE THE ONE WHO
SOLVES IT.

If there is one great thing about the Bigfoot mystery above all other great
mysteries, it's that it is within the reasonable capability of any ordinary person to
decisively solve it. All it takes is to be at the right place at the right time and to be
prepared. Think of all the other mysteries. Unless one crashed in my backyard, my
chances of scientifically proving that alien spacecraft are visiting the Earth are pretty slim.
I have absolutely no idea how I could go about scientifically proving the existence of a
ghost even if I thought I knew where one was. I would have to live close by a large lake
reputedly inhabited by a monster for it to be practical for me to try to find it, and even then
the cost of the equipment necessary to make a realistic effort would be prohibitive. The
sea serpent would be many times worse. I'm pretty sure some people will make the trip
to Mars in my lifetime and I'm just as sure I won't be one of them, so I can't research the
"structures" on Mars. Most all of the other natural and man-made mysteries always
seem to be in exotic far-flung locales that I can't afford to go to, and the paranormal
subjects are by their nature not scientifically approachable.

But Bigfoot is different. Bigfoot is the only mystery for which there does exist
some objective evidence to support it. That evidence indicates the presence of the
phenomenon in places as far apart as Washington State and Georgia. If for the sake of
argument we accept that evidence, then it stands to reason that it could be found in at
least some areas in between. That means that the mystery is potentially accessible to a
great many ordinary people. All they would need to do is think, study and plan logically,
and occasionally visit an area that they think could be a viable habitat and be prepared for
a possible encounter or to find evidence. Having a camera, tape recorder, sample bags
and tweezers along with the normal camping and safety gear would be the only real
necessities.

Keep this in mind. There are people who have been actively in the field after
Bigfoot for decades working in the best possible areas. What do they have? A few
pieces of plaster, a hair or two, a few pictures and a lot of stories. Most of them still
haven't seen one. I've been an active field researcher for about seven years. What do I
have? A few pieces of plaster, a hair or two, a few pictures and a lot of stories. I do think
I've seen one a couple of times, but I'm not really sure. Most all of the witnesses who
have encountered Bigfoot weren't even looking for it. They were just out and about one
day and there it was. So don't let all this "have to spend a lot of time in the woods and
know all the secret knowledge and tricks" nonsense bother you. The real truth is that all
that is factually known or reasonably speculated about Bigfoot to date can be learned in a
few hours' reading. I don't know exactly what things it takes to find a Bigfoot, but one
thing is obvious: sheer time spent in the field and lots of trivial knowledge certainly don't
seem to be among them. It doesn't matter how long you have or haven't been looking for
Bigfoot; whenever you do go out there, know that you're on the same level as any of us.
But above all, you should behave as if you always expect success. That way you will
always be prepared.
Howlingmad
To be printed and posted behind my desk. Thanks for the
early Christmas gift Fish... biggrin.gif
Fishbone35
My pleasure, HM. To tell the truth, I've been thinking I ought to make it required reading at least once a week until I get it memorized. wink.gif
Volsquatch
This is incredible Fish, thank you for bringing it to our attention. One of the best collections of common sense that I have ever read on this subject. Volumes of truth. Definently. thumbup.gif
nightwing
There should be a link to this on the home page!
goldie
Thanks Fish, this is a real gem. goldie
Fishbone35
QUOTE(nightwing @ Dec 24 2003, 05:59 PM)
There should be a link to this on the home page!

That's outside of my moderator powers. But...I can do this! new_lmaosmiley.gif

STICKY!

[edit] Now I just gotta' hope that Bipto will let it stay stuck. wink.gif
Zeus 68
Some of the best info i've read on the subject thank you fishbone.





Zeus
liebling
wow, thats impressive. thanks fish

i'm going to have to print that puppy and read it at my leisure

certainly a wise man, definately some things to ponder

gael
BigfootDad
Thanks, Fish! thumbup.gif
Just saved it to a file and printed it.
Will be reading this over and over and will share a copy with my friends.
It'll help out in the woods!
-- Tom
and for those who go out into the woods, here is a good framework for your reports. "Archaeological Data Methods" by Kathy Moskowitz
http://www.bfro.net/ref/fieldres/archaeologicalmethods.asp
sagehunter
I will put this on my desk and in my 4x4 this coming year on all my outing Thanks Fish
Jim Zenor
I thought the quote was full of common sense but there was one thing that troubled me a bit. He deftly added phrases like "for example" but I couldn't help thinking that in spite of his words, he displayed some bias. But to be fair, we all have them. There is a great deal of bias in the scientific community and it has existed since before Von Koenigswald discovered Gigantopithecus. If memory serves, Von Koenigswald believed, at least at first, that Gigantopithecus was a hominid and he wanted to name it Giganthropus, "giant Man". But that was a tough pill for the scientific community to swallow and I think Von Koenigswald was forced to rename it as Gigantopithecus or "giant ape." It is far easier for scientists to swallow a giant ape than a "jack in the bean stalk, giant man." It doesn't seem to really matter what the evidence suggests. I know some or most do not share my belief, for religious or anthropocentric reasons, but I am convinced that the difference between humans and chimps, for example, is really quite small and basically involves only our language abililties and bipedalism. We are in effect walking talking apes. For anyone to deny this indicates to me they don't know much about the subject or are unwilling to examine the evidence critically. I think it is a mistake to suggest that it is somehow more reasonable to suggest bigfoot is just an ape, because in fact, we are too. If they are a great ape, they at least share the bipedal characteristic with humans which may or may not indicate a close kinship to man. I don't know how intelligent bigfoot is but I do know that Chimps are quite smart and it would not surprise me in the slightest if bigfoot were smarter than Chimps. If they were not, it is hard for me to believe they would not have been able to remain out of the grasp of science for so long. There is other evidence for bigfoot being quite intelligent. Shall we just ignore it so that we seem more credible. Its a tough call, I think. I guess I revealed my biases too.
doglady
thank you for that
Thumper
I applaud your comments fish. Bigfoot enthusiasts need a little introspection every once in a while. There are a lot of people out in the woods who know every plant, animal, and sound. Can tell the difference between any smell they encounter and a rotting carcass...when it comes down to it though, almost all of the best encounters were Chance encounters. People who were not looking for this beast.

From my experience...I agree, it is the one great solvable mystery...it is within our grasp. Yet we are no closer than a hundred years ago when western thought first entered these woods.

I am glad to be among some thinking minds on this issue. Thank you!
bf43
QUOTE(Thumper @ Jan 30 2004, 06:10 AM)
I applaud your comments fish....when it comes down to it though, almost all of the best encounters were Chance encounters.  People who were not looking for this beast. 

Honorable Bigfoot Proverb say, "You don't find Him, He finds You." icon_blob.gif
tarran
Just wanted to thank you for the post Fish!!
I already printed it out,and posted it on my bulletin board!!
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Huntster
This was an excellent, sober analysis. Mr. Hyde is clearly a knowledgable, experienced, down to earth guy.

But I must respectfully disagree with this statement of his:

"I don't know exactly what things it takes to find a Bigfoot, but one thing is obvious: sheer time spent in the field and lots of trivial knowledge certainly don't
seem to be among them."

As a hunter growing in knowledge, skill, and experience over the years, I know for a fact that time spent in the field has a direct relationship with hunting success. You simply can't successfully "catch a moose" if you don't go into moose habitat. What's more, going afield with the binocs, spotting scope, and game calls in the off season provides an edge. If you find the quarry before all the other hunters, your chances are greater than theirs.

There is certainly a lot more to it than just spending the time, but time spend wisely is the basic recipe for success as far as hunting is concerned.

And "hunting" is precisely what it will take to "catch a Bigfoot".
mdeedee4661
thank you fish
stormbringer
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Bitter Monk
I've met Steve. He's a good man, as is evidenced by his writing.
PTS
Hello fellow Bigfoot lovers! My name is PT and I must say that I am new to all of this.
I don't know if there is a post for introductions, but oh well. I have been a fan of the legend since I could remember. The way it got started was when I was a kid. My cousins used to live in Elm City North Carolina. I live in Chapel Hill, NC. My Uncle told me of this article he read about a man who had an encounter. Soon I too read the article and you can find it on yahoo or whatever. Im sure you all know of it.

Im excited to learn more, and Im going to read all the posts I can. All I can say is that I believe this creature is out there, and with faith and time, this mystery will be solved.
Hominid,WA
This post was well written, yet all of you slobering over it need to relax a bit. The author tells us that pretty much the only way this mystery is to be solved is with a capture, kill or coming upon physical evidence. Not with film, not with photos, not with DNA evidence, etc.. Furthermore, it concludes that anyone can solve the mystery, even Joe Sixpack. I would have loved to have read on how that could possibly be done excluding the above mentioned stratagies. The truth is that no, most likely you, cannot solve the Bigfoot mystery. Unless you can first find it, unless you can accurately fire a bullet killing this being with one, clean shot, and then are able to come up with enough capital for a well executed storage and transfer, not to mention the other numerous steps that need to be taken for mainstream acceptance, it alas seems most difficult. This post was like a Hallmark card, nice, but not too candid.
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markymark
I tend to feel that this article was from someone in the Bigfoot community who has had issues in the past with others and this was his way of taking a swipe at them hence the reference to "idiots" and "morons".

For the most part, it was common sense. I.E., you need hard proof or you can't convince the scientific world. No argument there.

But there was one thing I disagree on. He says that not even hair or DNA samples prove anything unless you have a control sample to compart it to.

I say not so.

If you find a hair sample, or DNA sample, that science can positively say comes from no known animal, then by default, ipso facto, you have proved that a creature unknown to science exists.

How you want to color that animal, is up to you. But you have proven the existence of something as of yet undocumented.
branded
If we are going for common sense here, how about some tips on what to do when the big day arrives ? Someone is going to find a body somewhere, and they won' know what to do when it happens. Maybe they have a camera, maybe not. Can someone point me to a thread where people discuss the ways to get outside help to retrieve a body ? Some people will want to do it for profit, some for the sake of science, some for glory. Assuming one can get help and return within a short period, who would you contact ? Should you avoid the government, for fear that they would keep it and not relesae any information ? Would a resuce chopper be able to pick up an 800 lb body ?
bunnyrabbit
happy.gif Fishbone35:
If you haven't already had an encounter, I'll kiss your ass, and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd. Attitude. Attitude. Attitude.
nightwing
You may as well get as much as you can in as fast as you can...you will soon be but a memory..
belleoftheball
QUOTE(bunnyrabbit @ Apr 12 2005, 06:12 PM)
happy.gif Fishbone35:
    If you haven't already had an encounter, I'll kiss your ass, and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd. Attitude. Attitude. Attitude.

:rolleyes:
Troll! :doh:

It's a count down!


6......5.......4.......
Fishbone35
QUOTE(bunnyrabbit @ Apr 12 2005, 07:12 PM)
happy.gif Fishbone35:
If you haven't already had an encounter, I'll kiss your ass, and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd. Attitude. Attitude. Attitude.

You need to bone up on your reading comprehension skills. I didn't write that, I posted it here with full credit to the author. Attitude for sure. You might want to watch yours. wink.gif
JayleeD
QUOTE(Fishbone35 @ Apr 12 2005, 07:36 PM)
QUOTE(bunnyrabbit @ Apr 12 2005, 07:12 PM)
happy.gif Fishbone35:
    If you haven't already had an encounter, I'll kiss your ass, and give you 30 minutes to draw a crowd. Attitude. Attitude. Attitude.

You need to bone up on your reading comprehension skills. I didn't write that, I posted it here with full credit to the author. Attitude for sure. You might want to watch yours. wink.gif

Fish, somebody threaten to kick your ass???? huh.gif


Oh wait, KISS your ass. Thought I was gonna have to get my kung fu shoes out of mothballs there for a minute. sleep.gif


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Teresa
Be vewy vewy quiet.....Fish is zewoing in on that wascally wabbit...
belleoftheball
QUOTE(ARsquatch @ Apr 12 2005, 07:53 PM)
Be vewy vewy quiet.....Fish is zewoing in on that wascally wabbit...

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Love the Avatar Girl!
Teresa
Thanx Belle. I got tired of that silly lookin squatch and needed a new do. LOL I wanted something original so I just picked something I made.
Hairy Man
Hey ARsquatch!! That's a hot avatar! If I told said you had a beautiful body, would you lead me $10???
Teresa
Aint she purty. I can't put the rest of her body on here though...I hadn't learned when I drew her how to draw clothes for her yet!

Ten bucks? Ya flirt! new_lmaosmiley.gif
xjay
QUOTE(Fishbone35 @ Dec 24 2003, 05:18 PM)
I'd just like to say that I don't know Mr. Steve Hyde but I'd sure like to meet the man one day so I could shake his hand.

I got this from a good friend some time ago and I really should have shared it here a while back. Oh well, better late than never.

Take it to heart, folks. This guy speaks volumes of truth.

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SIX THINGS A NEW BIGFOOT RESEARCHER SHOULD THINK ABOUT

by Mr. Steve Hyde

1.BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE, HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

2.BE WARY OF PEOPLE. YOU WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT HUMAN NATURE THAN YOU EVER WILL ABOUT BIGFOOT.

3. BE OBJECTIVE. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A THEORY AND A
BELIEF.

4. ALWAYS QUESTION YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.

5. BE SKEPTICAL, OBJECTIVE AND REALISTIC ABOUT EVIDENCE AND KNOW ITS LIMITATIONS.

6. THE BIGFOOT MYSTERY IS SOLVABLE, AND YOU CAN BE THE ONE WHO
SOLVES IT.

Still as valid as the day it was posted....2 years ago. Perhaps the next 2 years will shake things up a bit. new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif
AppleHeadedMonster
The only thing every Bigfoot hunter should know is there are no absolutes. What I mean by this is, there is no man or woman alive that is an EXPERT in Sasquatch Research. If they were an “expert� they would have discovered Bigfoot already. Therefore, they’re guess is just as good as the next guys. Every Bigfoot hunter alive doesn’t want to “re-invent the wheel� so to speak so we tend to naturally follow the path of those that came before us. Unfortunately (those that came before us) never found a Bigfoot either so the real question is. Why do we keep following them? The key is trying something unique that has never been tried before. And no I’m not talking about holding crystals in your hands and meditating on peace, love, and tranquility while clicking your heels together.

Compile all of the methods that have been tried. By process of elimination check off all of the ones that have not worked. Unless someone is holding out on all of us and has a Bigfoot in a cage somewhere, I’d say pretty much every method has been unsuccessful to date. icon_bang.gif

Questions like do Bigfoot have a language, or when do they breed and have offspring, or are they the missing link cannot possibly be answered unless we first have a Bigfoot. Dead or alive you can’t get to square 2 without first going through square 1. Square 1, is finding a Bigfoot.

The Million Dollar question is. How do you out wit a creature that is not only the biggest, fastest, and most powerful animal in North America. But can also reason, and calculate. It is cunning, and is an absolute master of it’s environment? If you can answer this, I’m your new Bigfooting buddy.

But first, lets start out taking baby steps. After all we’ve got to learn to crawl before we can run.

For those armchair or even avid Bigfoot hunters, I submit trying this fun experiment just so you can get a fraction of an idea of how stealthy and cunning these Bigfoot creatures are. Try Coyote hunting. Let me tell you first hand that these little guys are not easy to hunt even if you know where their favorite haunts are. Try calling them in during the daytime, and see how close you can get them to come to you. You’ll quickly find how sharp and alert they are to their surroundings and not an easy prey to out wit. You’ll have a great time doing this experiment, and you’ll gain a greater respect for a creature most people see as just a dumb animal.

This is just the proverbial “tip of the iceberg� so to speak. The important thing is, you’ve got a much greater understanding of the sacrifices and effort its going to take to successfully neutralize a specimen.

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jimf
QUOTE(AppleHeadedMonster @ Dec 28 2005, 03:56 PM)
Questions like do Bigfoot have a language, or when do they breed and have offspring, or are they the missing link cannot possibly be answered unless we first have a Bigfoot. Dead or alive you can’t get to square 2 without first going through square 1. Square 1, is finding a Bigfoot.




For those armchair or even avid Bigfoot hunters, I submit trying this fun experiment just so you can get a fraction of an idea of how stealthy and cunning these Bigfoot creatures are. Try Coyote hunting. Let me tell you first hand that these little guys are not easy to hunt even if you know where their favorite haunts are. Try calling them in during the daytime, and see how close you can get them to come to you. You’ll quickly find how sharp and alert they are to their surroundings and not an easy prey to out wit. You’ll have a great time doing this experiment, and you’ll gain a greater respect for a creature most people see as just a dumb animal.

Good.
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The Million Dollar question is.  How do you out wit a creature that is not only the biggest, fastest, and most powerful animal in North America.  But can also reason, and calculate.  It is cunning, and is an absolute master of it’s environment?  If you can answer this, I’m your new Bigfooting buddy.
Not so good. You dismiss something that was perviously discussed as not being an absolute statement and then make an absolute statement afterwards. How do you know they can reason or are as cunning as any other animal put there ? You don't.
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For those armchair or even avid Bigfoot hunters, I submit trying this fun experiment just so you can get a fraction of an idea of how stealthy and cunning these Bigfoot creatures are.  Try Coyote hunting.  Let me tell you first hand that these little guys are not easy to hunt even if you know where their favorite haunts are.  Try calling them in during the daytime, and see how close you can get them to come to you.  You’ll quickly find how sharp and alert they are to their surroundings and not an easy prey to out wit.  You’ll have a great time doing this experiment, and you’ll gain a greater respect for a creature most people see as just a dumb animal.
Considering the range ,elusiveness, and ouright ability to avoid man for the most part, wolverine habits would probably make a better comparrison despite the more limited range associated with them as opposed to the sasquatch.
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This is just the proverbial “tip of the icebergâ€? so to speak.  The important thing is, you’ve got a much greater understanding of the sacrifices and effort its going to take to successfully neutralize a specimen.
And if taking a specimen is not your goal in this? Mine isn't.
AppleHeadedMonster
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You dismiss something that was perviously discussed as not being an absolute statement and then make an absolute statement afterwards. How do you know they can reason or are as cunning as any other animal put there ? You don't.


You've got great attention to detail. I honestly admire that.

You certainly are right about that Jim. I can not possibly know that this animal is cunning or can reason. I’m not saying a Bigfoot could change my alternator or take a course in computer programming. However there are reasons we can deduce they can rationalize.

First they don’t seem to inbreed. I could be wrong on this but it’s a genetic fact that inbreeding repeatedly over and over will cause genetic breakdown and weakness. I just can’t see them as surviving this long if they inbred over and over. Only an animal that can reason and calculate would understand the importance of this. Unless you’re from Arkansas.

Second, they definitely aren’t dumb or some foot hunter would have taken a specimen by now by way of bullet or tranquillizer. Before you jump to any conclusions let me explain. I am a bear hunter, and I’ve been bear hunting for more than 10 years. Before it was illegal to bait animals I would take a pile of pastries or apples place them out in a clearing and climb up in my tree hunting stand. And, every single time within a few hours a bear would lumber out of the woods walk directly over to the pile of pastries and start filling his face as fast as he can with little care that there is a guy just 40 feet away with a 762mm waiting to neutralize him. Did this creature slowly creep out of thee woods, looking both ways before coming into the clearing? No. Did the bear circle around the food to make sure no one was around or no danger was present? Nope again. Furthermore just to show you how focused a bear can be on eating (this is going to make you laugh) after shooting him dead and the deafening CRACK-KOW of my rifle rang through the forest. You’d think that any other smart animals in the area would run from the sound of my rifle, right? Nope. Before I could climb down my tree stand another bear walked out of the woods at a hurried pace and didn’t even look at his dead brother and began filling his face too! To make a long story short I got two bears off of one bait pile.

The bottom line is, would a Bigfoot just ignorantly lumber out into the open without any concern for his safety. And after clearly hearing a rifle shot, do you think another Bigfoot would come running to feed right next to his dead buddy?

I’ve hunted dumb animals and believe me the North American black bear is unbelievably dumb. On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the most cunning of animals. It’s pretty safe to say that the Bigfoot is a 10. Unless someone here on this site has been baiting a Bigfoot and taking all the pictures he wants at his leisure I’m dead wrong.

My Bigfooting buddy and I lured something in once using the smell of food and the recorded sounds of a deer fawn in distress. Whatever it was we could hear it circling us just outside the boundary of the campfire light. At one point it even let out a low moan, followed by a loud “Waah! Waah! Woooooo!!! I don’t know what he/she was really thinking at that time but it seemed frustrated from the sound of it. From that experience alone, I deduced that we weren’t dealing with some dumb omnivore that would amble into our campsite and start pawing through our egg salad and Doritos. This thing although curious and hungry was smart enough to keep his/her distance.

I didn’t conclude this by reading a book on Bigfoot or talking with fine folks like yourself on a message board. I concluded this myself through first hand experience. However, for the record my conclusions aren’t absolute. I would be silly to say so.

You sound like a great guy, and I really enjoyed this conversation. Conjecture is healthy. Keep up the great work and best wishes in your field work.
jimf
Gimme a sec... not used to being complemented. laugh.gif

I haven't hunted any animals in a long time so except for the basics of that I profess my ignorance. Good luck to you also.
RobUstes
Find the proper habitat. Scout it out. Read your topo maps, learn to walk softly thru the woods, take along your super secret decoder ring, wear your lucky/magic hat .... oh yeah, and dont forget to sing "the" song, and do "the dance" :dance:

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escAPEe
QUOTE(xjay @ Dec 28 2005, 07:07 AM)
QUOTE(Fishbone35 @ Dec 24 2003, 05:18 PM)
I'd just like to say that I don't know Mr. Steve Hyde but I'd sure like to meet the man one day so I could shake his hand.

I got this from a good friend some time ago and I really should have shared it here a while back. Oh well, better late than never.

Take it to heart, folks. This guy speaks volumes of truth.

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SIX THINGS A NEW BIGFOOT RESEARCHER SHOULD THINK ABOUT

by Mr. Steve Hyde

1. ...

2.BE WARY OF PEOPLE. YOU WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT HUMAN NATURE THAN YOU EVER WILL ABOUT BIGFOOT.

3.  ...

4.  ...

5.  ...

6.  ...

Still as valid as the day it was posted....2 years ago. Perhaps the next 2 years will shake things up a bit. new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

Item #2 in Mr. Hyde's list prognosticates the recent revelations about MM and BFRO.
saskwatch
QUOTE(escAPEe @ Jan 3 2006, 01:03 PM) *
Still as valid as the day it was posted....2 years ago. Perhaps the next 2 years will shake things up a bit. new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif
Item #2 in Mr. Hyde's list prognosticates the recent revelations about MM and BFRO.

Yes,my eyes are opening wider everyday human nature,greed, hmmm...
Its too bad we all didnt have some sort of metre on ones forehead.
nordicfrost
this may be off the wall a little, but how much do you guys and gals think a bigfoot body would be worth?
Snow Kitty
nordicfrost, I have no idea of what a body would be worth. For my way of thinking, since I have noticed a certain fascination with the "Bigfoot Jackpot", I would be way more comfortable with the basic preposition that places that monetary value at "zero". Same for the 15 minutes factor. There are, in my opinion enough megalomaniac pshychotic $$ driven people with needs for attention and fame to more than fulfill it all, leaving Sasquatch out of it. Unfortunately, as recent history shows, there are a number of folks in the community in it for just those reasons. Course, I am a rarity, a sales person who is not motivted by money :laugh: I had a manager who didn't know what to do with me for that reason. :new_whistle:
nordicfrost
Yes I know what you mean, I think? but the fact remains, you will NEVER get the protection for this species unless you can positively prove they exist. And you will never be able to do this unless you have a body. No film or hair sample or blood sample, or eye witness accounts or anything else will make the bureaucrats in charge of this system (country) wake up and take notice until you can show them that the Bigfoot exists, and is definitely a endangered species. Because if you don't show them a body then they think that Bigfoot is in the realm of fairies and unicorns, and the people who spend time looking for its existence are a bunch of redneck, rat faced, baboons. Its not fair that something has to die to prove its existence but that is how it operates, if you can show me a way that will prove that it exists without killing it I'm more than willing to listen and will take notes.
A example of this reality is I once knew a lady who told me straight faced that Santa Claus exists, I asked her how she knew this and she told me because she had seen him on her roof on Christmas eve, and even offered to show me hoof prints to prove it. I talked to her son and he told me that is is a lucid, truthful person who in his opinion has never told a lie, or even stretched the truth.
I'm not really interested in the money it was just a question that I had wondered about while reading this site, thats all.
But I'm still interested in knowing much a scientist or a university or college would spend in order to obtain one? If anybody knows or has an idea please email me nordicfrost14@hotmail.com, I think it would be fascinating to know this.
GrandCherokee
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but the fact remains, you will NEVER get the protection for this species unless you can positively prove they exist.


I just love the logic here.

Just how could someone possibly protect a creature[s] which is rarely ever encountered, or seen? And for that matter..how can one say they are an endangered species? You know something the rest of us don't?
I think if the critter is as intuitive as some people would have him be..then he fully realizes that the price for protection ...is our friendship..and that alone would be a deal breaker for his part!
Animals which get pally with humans either become an endangered species..some..a few times over....or end up on our dinner plates.
I think he is better off without us. :wink:

[Edited to add...] Great post Fish!
Hairy Man
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I think if the critter is as intuitive as some people would have him be..then he fully realizes that the price for protection ...is our friendship..and that alone would be a deal breaker for his part!
Animals which get pally with humans either become an endangered species..some..a few times over....or end up on our dinner plates.
I think he is better off without us. :wink:


I don't know about you, but I certainly don't eat my pals, including dogs, cats, horses, etc. And those that I do eat (cows, pigs, chickens, etc.) aren't my pals! Is there something you should be telling us GC??? :laugh:

I think that there is often some misunderstandings of what "protection" means. Protection usual means a law prohibiting taking with a permit (issued only by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service) and/or logging protections in their "habitat." None of that requires any knowledge on the part of the animal in order for it to be successful.
GrandCherokee
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None of that requires any knowledge on the part of the animal in order for it to be successful.


This is true..as far as it goes.

But it does require knowledge of the animal, in order to know where to impliment the same. Knowledge that we just do not have.

{And I keep my big furry friends close...and my little furry friends closer!} wink.gif
Hairy Man
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{And I keep my big furry friends close...and my little furry friends closer!} wink.gif


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Which one am I? tongue.gif
wolftrax
QUOTE(nordicfrost @ May 3 2006, 07:13 PM) *
Yes I know what you mean, I think? but the fact remains, you will NEVER get the protection for this species unless you can positively prove they exist. And you will never be able to do this unless you have a body. No film or hair sample or blood sample, or eye witness accounts or anything else will make the bureaucrats in charge of this system (country) wake up and take notice until you can show them that the Bigfoot exists, and is definitely a endangered species. Because if you don't show them a body then they think that Bigfoot is in the realm of fairies and unicorns, and the people who spend time looking for its existence are a bunch of redneck, rat faced, baboons. Its not fair that something has to die to prove its existence but that is how it operates, if you can show me a way that will prove that it exists without killing it I'm more than willing to listen and will take notes.


Sounds noble and all and is often repeated by those that feel the same way, but I think this is really the main motivation:

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this may be off the wall a little, but how much do you guys and gals think a bigfoot body would be worth?





QUOTE(Hairy Man @ May 6 2006, 12:57 PM) *
I think that there is often some misunderstandings of what "protection" means. Protection usual means a law prohibiting taking with a permit (issued only by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service) and/or logging protections in their "habitat." None of that requires any knowledge on the part of the animal in order for it to be successful.


An animal that has yet to be killed needs protecting from being killed?

According to my dad who moderated the debates between the loggers and the environmentalists in the spotted owl debates in the 80's, you'd need to first establish that areas you wish to protect from logging, industrialization, etc. are indeed sasquatch habitat, i.e. sasquatch are actually in the area. You're not going to get a broad nationwide protection on all forests automatically with one body from one location, or on any Joe Blow's word that they saw one.

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1.BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE, HAVE A CLEAR IDEA OF EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.


TO ALL:
If you wanted to protect their habitat there are plenty of known endangered animals in that habitat you could work to protect or just the habitat itself. Can you honestly say that is your mission in all this, or is it to prove yourself right?
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