http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=7224
Report # 7224 (Class A)
Submitted by witness on Sunday, October 26, 2003.
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Ongoing Encounters with "Fang" on old family land
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YEAR: 2003
SEASON: Fall
MONTH: October
DATE: Friday the 10th
STATE: Ohio
COUNTY: Portage County
LOCATION DETAILS: (edited)
NEAREST TOWN: Ravenna
NEAREST ROAD: (edited)
OBSERVED: I myself have had many different occasions with the creature I have dubbed "Fang". I have come to understand through self experiences that there is more than one creature in our area. I go hiking quite often in the same area and know exactly where they usually are, as they tend to follow me most of the times I am there. My mother told me today about your web site and I felt obliged to write.
I fear of people coming to our area and trying to find Fang and his clan. I feel somewhat of an understanding and a protective closeness, and I feel they should be left alone. Anyone who has had the wonderful experience of seeing one with their own eyes knows the truth. The world would only want to capture and destroy them if given the chance I fear. I would be willing to talk to someone about my experiences, but I do not really want to tell everyone, due to my beliefs. My children have heard their cries out in the woods, and we have gotten rather close enough for their smell many times. Just last week my younger son and I found footprints in the woods by a thicket too dense for us to walk into.
ALSO NOTICED: I have had many experiences in the same basic areas. I have heard, smelled, and felt their presence very close. You know, like when all your hairs on the back of your neck stand tall? And you know you are not alone. MANY TIMES. Almost every time I hike there, and occassional we will get a quick look.
OTHER WITNESSES: Myself and my son.
OTHER STORIES: Too many to mention. Just about everyone in my family has a story to share.
TIME AND CONDITIONS: Our last hike we found the footprints during dusk. They were very fresh. It was still pretty light out, about 600pm. As it got darker, we started to smell him.
ENVIRONMENT: thick woods.
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Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator K.C. Charnes:
I've been in contact with the witness for almost 2 months and we've communicated by phone and email many times. The area of the encounters is old family land, and family stories of sightings, vocalizations, footprints, odors, tree/limb breaks, and suspected nest structures go back many years. The witness takes a hike through the area for several hours almost every week, usually with her kids or a friend and a ritual is to leave Tootsie Rolls in the same location. (While the candy is always gone by the next visit, the BF has not been actually observed picking the gifts up - I mention it only in light of all the other activity that is reported.)
New signs of activity are often found during the hikes, and occassionally "Fang" will allow a brief sighting to take place. He seems as curious about her and her kids as they are of him. I've been invited for an on-site visit, and will be talking to other family members as well. When that takes place, or if anything else of significance occurs, I'll update this report.
Full Version: Has Janice Moved to Ohio?
hmmmm...... I try not to jump to conclusions, so maybe something will come of it.
(I try, I don't always succeed)
Does Janice have a twin?
Then again, tootsie rolls? hmmmm.... candy co-dependent sasquatch..
Well, it worked for Elliot when he got E.T. to follow him with Reeces Pieces, so why not?
(I try, I don't always succeed)
Does Janice have a twin?
Then again, tootsie rolls? hmmmm.... candy co-dependent sasquatch..
Well, it worked for Elliot when he got E.T. to follow him with Reeces Pieces, so why not?
Good find SW. But, I see no correlation between this report and the outrageous events reported at Janice's farm. The details of this report sound like something that could actually happen. There are no reports of "fang" raping, stealing, and making movies play in these peoples heads, not to mention wearing overalls and speaking in several indian dialects. Right now, it could go either way, but this report sounds very promising on the surface, and IMO, needs to be followed up on aggressively. Thank you for highlighting this report. I will be paying close attention to the details that emerge from the subsequent follow-up investigations. 
QUOTE(MountainLady @ Dec 14 2003, 08:35 PM)
Well, it worked for Elliot when he got E.T. to follow him with Reeces Pieces, so why not?
Although I agree with Vol ...
The question remains ...
Should this have actually been published?
No substantial proof of the encounter
no investigation other than oral.
Are some websites filling databases for the public to flock to?
hits,hits,hits
I know that without some filler the databases would be boring
but... if this turns out to be an overly ROMANTIC lady
and the stories don't pan out ......
Should it be retracted or explained in a followup that
After further Investigation it is my opinion........
Then we are back to "what authoritizes your opinion?",
and the Cartman "respect my AuthorItii" attitude.
Just seems these reports should not be published without
potential followup or question. They all sound too familar.
JMHO
Robert
[*editted for spelling...and made some more mistakes LOL]
The question remains ...
Should this have actually been published?
No substantial proof of the encounter
no investigation other than oral.
Are some websites filling databases for the public to flock to?
hits,hits,hits
I know that without some filler the databases would be boring
but... if this turns out to be an overly ROMANTIC lady
and the stories don't pan out ......
Should it be retracted or explained in a followup that
After further Investigation it is my opinion........
Then we are back to "what authoritizes your opinion?",
and the Cartman "respect my AuthorItii" attitude.
Just seems these reports should not be published without
potential followup or question. They all sound too familar.
JMHO
Robert
[*editted for spelling...and made some more mistakes LOL]
I have to agree with your take on it Robert. IMO not a good idea to place this out for all to read unless on-site follow up has been done. I think it's different with "standard" sighting reports, but with this sort of thing, you're opening up major cans of worms. 
I hope the report is the real deal and not just another bigfoot naming romantic. 
One thing I will say, at least the BFRO was invited to come and investigate. I'll be watching for the updates that's for sure.
Now, if some BFRO member goes there, drops out of the org. and starts on a book, I'm gonna be real upset.
I hope the report is the real deal and not just another bigfoot naming romantic. One thing I will say, at least the BFRO was invited to come and investigate. I'll be watching for the updates that's for sure.
Now, if some BFRO member goes there, drops out of the org. and starts on a book, I'm gonna be real upset.
QUOTE(BenThere_2 @ Dec 14 2003, 09:53 AM)
Just seems these reports should not be published without
potential followup or question. They all sound too familar.
potential followup or question. They all sound too familar.
Amen, Robert. My sentiments exactly...
QUOTE
Just seems these reports should not be published without
I agree, Been There
Mick
I knew this investigator (though correspondence only) quite well, although I haven't talked with him since moving to FL, and I know that he feels the same way most everyone else does about the EBs and MGs and JCCs of the world, so I don't think he'd follow up on anything that sounded even similar to that crap. I agree that more investigation probably should have been done before posting the report though.
It does make one think of Janice right away, but there's nothing terribly "out there" about this report that makes me raise an eyebrow. The fact the the BFRO has been invited to the site is encouraging also, so let's keep our fingers crossed!
It does make one think of Janice right away, but there's nothing terribly "out there" about this report that makes me raise an eyebrow. The fact the the BFRO has been invited to the site is encouraging also, so let's keep our fingers crossed!
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Just seems these reports should not be published without
potential followup or question. They all sound too familar.
potential followup or question. They all sound too familar.
The report has been followed up for two months by the investigator.
QUOTE
After further Investigation it is my opinion........
Then we are back to "what authoritizes your opinion?",
and the Cartman "respect my AuthorItii" attitude.
Then we are back to "what authoritizes your opinion?",
and the Cartman "respect my AuthorItii" attitude.
Without hard evidence either way, we are left with little else than the opinion of the investigator (who has been in contact with the witness for two months).
QUOTE
Are some websites filling databases for the public to flock to?
hits,hits,hits
hits,hits,hits
Not in my opinion. And I don't think the BFRO's site is struggling for traffic...
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... if this turns out to be an overly ROMANTIC lady
and the stories don't pan out ......
Should it be retracted or explained in a followup
and the stories don't pan out ......
Should it be retracted or explained in a followup
Yes. But let's give it some time, eh?
I agree with Vol 100%. So far, the similarities between the Coy stories and this report are superficial at best. I think the judge and jury should wait to read their verdict until after they've seen all there is to see in the case.
Bipto I never stated what website ......it was clearly an open question....
I give good phone ....call me sometime and I'll let you investigate a
sighting if thats the mode.
I am happy they are doing a ON SITE later
then it will have been investigated
and ready for opinion and publication. JMO again.
Look I'm not a ORg or Group basher ...let's get that out in the open.
The FRO,BRO,GI-Joe bigfoot groups don't matter to me.
They all take individual's input to make it worth it's salt.
Regardless of hunter technique or degrees on the wall.
Groups = a number of Individuals together.
This is what slapped my groups ass a year ago.
Too much accumlative Bull being passed as truth by a few individuals.
There end lies the problem.
The result =disbanment of membership.
A group should not be judged by Individuals behavior.
But the Individuals make the group = here lies the problem.
I just feel with some of these "reported sightings"
published with only on oral examination
we are fueling the minds of Romantics and Storytellers WORLDWIDE.
Especially when some decide to defend it vemonuosly without provication.
I'll shut up now ....and have some more coffee.
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Not in my opinion. And I don't think the BFRO's site is struggling for traffic...
QUOTE
The report has been followed up for two months by the investigator.
Does that mean once a week (or month or day)he called and chatted to the person or what? Conversation ...Monkeys doing anything tonight?I give good phone ....call me sometime and I'll let you investigate a
sighting if thats the mode.
I am happy they are doing a ON SITE later
then it will have been investigated
and ready for opinion and publication. JMO again.
Look I'm not a ORg or Group basher ...let's get that out in the open.
The FRO,BRO,GI-Joe bigfoot groups don't matter to me.
They all take individual's input to make it worth it's salt.
Regardless of hunter technique or degrees on the wall.
Groups = a number of Individuals together.
This is what slapped my groups ass a year ago.
Too much accumlative Bull being passed as truth by a few individuals.
There end lies the problem.
The result =disbanment of membership.
A group should not be judged by Individuals behavior.
But the Individuals make the group = here lies the problem.
I just feel with some of these "reported sightings"
published with only on oral examination
we are fueling the minds of Romantics and Storytellers WORLDWIDE.
Especially when some decide to defend it vemonuosly without provication.
I'll shut up now ....and have some more coffee.
I have met K.C.Charnes once in Bay city after I had my first encounter and camp out in Northern Michigan.So I Believe that something might be coming out of this report.When I met Him he seemed to be a very knowedgable person.I hope that He does go to Ohio and verfy this report in person.If this report turns out to be true then it would give more credence to other so called reports.I really do not believe that This a Report from Janice and that This really might be of some other folks who are expierancing this.Time will tell.
Mark A
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LOTS of great stuff here. I will just say that KC will do a great job with this.
We talk often and Robert, I dont know if I ever said this, but I just honor so much of your word and thought and its helped me tremendously as I grow. Thank you
and Happy Holidays to you and yours. You are one of the most mysterious people I know of. And I like it. But you are open, frank, (nothing to do with my favorite brand: Farleys, and also because its funny) and obviously a solid father and I bet researcher. I have yet to work with people closely who are close to you, in research, although I know what to expect. Robert, thanks.
And Mark A. You continue to amaze me. I think that your words about KC are correct. If it turns out that the BFRO is horribly wrong on this report, or that its severely embellished as so many are, that report will be yanked faster than you can say Bullshit. But if KC publishes something, so far his track record with me has been superb. But as you know, BF fieldwork is completely different than some potential bs phone exchange as Robert has so././.... dammit. cant remember the word. Eloquent ? ly stated. Anyways, with people like you around
I can see that much of the material we read in books currently on the market
is going to be updated in the future beautifully. Its a pleasure, just an absolute pleasure to be involved even distantly or just on the surface in discussion of the subject with you. Happy Holidays to all. Mark, you just amaze me. Way to go Dude.
One more thing I would like to say. The habit of publishing reports on the BFRO
is one taken of considerations to all involved. Although I have yet to talk to KC about this one, he emailed me this morning about something else, in my experience with him over three years he has been nothing but a pleasure to work with. I view his judgement as solid. If he thought one moment that this report was a red flag I assure you that the report would not be published. We do try to make sure all published reports are sound and if there is any question at all, they shouldn't be posted. So sometimes you do see a report come down. It was because of information that was received later that indicated it should and was not worthy of being there. If we err, we try to do so on the conservative side. (and that means: if there are questions about the report's authenticity, even though its hot and we have permission and universally agree it should go up, but there are some red flags.... it does not go up. )
In other words, as Robert knows, there are reports that you are convinced are real or seem so very real they almost have to be. But... there is something with them that indicates their being published is a possible wrong move. So... they aren't. With further investigations and more evidence, they may be. Questions? You know I am available. I also try to respond to ea one that comes across my pm box. ALWAYS. Merry Christmas to all.
We talk often and Robert, I dont know if I ever said this, but I just honor so much of your word and thought and its helped me tremendously as I grow. Thank you
and Happy Holidays to you and yours. You are one of the most mysterious people I know of. And I like it. But you are open, frank, (nothing to do with my favorite brand: Farleys, and also because its funny) and obviously a solid father and I bet researcher. I have yet to work with people closely who are close to you, in research, although I know what to expect. Robert, thanks.
And Mark A. You continue to amaze me. I think that your words about KC are correct. If it turns out that the BFRO is horribly wrong on this report, or that its severely embellished as so many are, that report will be yanked faster than you can say Bullshit. But if KC publishes something, so far his track record with me has been superb. But as you know, BF fieldwork is completely different than some potential bs phone exchange as Robert has so././.... dammit. cant remember the word. Eloquent ? ly stated. Anyways, with people like you around
I can see that much of the material we read in books currently on the market
is going to be updated in the future beautifully. Its a pleasure, just an absolute pleasure to be involved even distantly or just on the surface in discussion of the subject with you. Happy Holidays to all. Mark, you just amaze me. Way to go Dude.
One more thing I would like to say. The habit of publishing reports on the BFRO
is one taken of considerations to all involved. Although I have yet to talk to KC about this one, he emailed me this morning about something else, in my experience with him over three years he has been nothing but a pleasure to work with. I view his judgement as solid. If he thought one moment that this report was a red flag I assure you that the report would not be published. We do try to make sure all published reports are sound and if there is any question at all, they shouldn't be posted. So sometimes you do see a report come down. It was because of information that was received later that indicated it should and was not worthy of being there. If we err, we try to do so on the conservative side. (and that means: if there are questions about the report's authenticity, even though its hot and we have permission and universally agree it should go up, but there are some red flags.... it does not go up. )
In other words, as Robert knows, there are reports that you are convinced are real or seem so very real they almost have to be. But... there is something with them that indicates their being published is a possible wrong move. So... they aren't. With further investigations and more evidence, they may be. Questions? You know I am available. I also try to respond to ea one that comes across my pm box. ALWAYS. Merry Christmas to all.
Dang. By the time I came back to edit that sucker I just wrote again, it was non editable, one of my chief and VERY few complaints with my time spent here. (it maybe the only thing I would change on this board). BUT I know why our leader did it and its a good idea. It archives thoughts of the moment good or bad and thats important for base discussion and honesty and truth. We need more of that. So, way to go Bipto.
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Regarding Robert's concern, its mine too. Your words are wise, your words are just and although I am sure we have our differences, I doubt very many. It might come to just coffee brand selection. But I drink anything but that flavored debris....
Anyway you have my word regarding this report it will be thoroughly checked and that your concerns about posting will be conversed over. When I know more, I will either post it here or pm you Robert or anyone else depending on the situation. If it needs to come off the website, IT WILL. It does seem to provoke question. And some do. I do appreciate your communication on this and I will let KC have his weekend and soon inquire to see specifics.
Back atchya when I can, but ya see, my weeks been busy doing things of this sort so I need a little time too. Anything else comes along, hit me with it or post it publicly as you see fit as always. Your pulse on the BFRO site is appreciated by all everywhere and when possible mistakes or questions come up, we can do something about it which helps everyone directly and indirectly involved. Thanks Robert, enjoy your coffee.
SR
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Regarding Robert's concern, its mine too. Your words are wise, your words are just and although I am sure we have our differences, I doubt very many. It might come to just coffee brand selection. But I drink anything but that flavored debris....
Anyway you have my word regarding this report it will be thoroughly checked and that your concerns about posting will be conversed over. When I know more, I will either post it here or pm you Robert or anyone else depending on the situation. If it needs to come off the website, IT WILL. It does seem to provoke question. And some do. I do appreciate your communication on this and I will let KC have his weekend and soon inquire to see specifics.
Back atchya when I can, but ya see, my weeks been busy doing things of this sort so I need a little time too. Anything else comes along, hit me with it or post it publicly as you see fit as always. Your pulse on the BFRO site is appreciated by all everywhere and when possible mistakes or questions come up, we can do something about it which helps everyone directly and indirectly involved. Thanks Robert, enjoy your coffee.
SR
Hey, I live 20 minutes from Ravenna, Ohio. Get me some details and I'll go hiking for you. If I find anything, I'll post photos on this board. Promise!
I'm just super excited to think that a bigfoot could be in the area. We have a ton of nice woods in this area, and loads of deer. In fact, if you do a google search for "bigfoot cuyahoga valley," you'll find a report about a trucker that said he hit a big hairy thing just north of Akron a couple of years ago. The thing stood up after being glanced by the truck and walked into the woods. The guy from NORKA investigated it, but nothing positive came of it.
There's another site for Ohio that shows bigfoot prints running along deer tracks, then the deer gets taken down and only bigfoot tracks leave the scene. That one was down around Atwater.
I'm just super excited to think that a bigfoot could be in the area. We have a ton of nice woods in this area, and loads of deer. In fact, if you do a google search for "bigfoot cuyahoga valley," you'll find a report about a trucker that said he hit a big hairy thing just north of Akron a couple of years ago. The thing stood up after being glanced by the truck and walked into the woods. The guy from NORKA investigated it, but nothing positive came of it.
There's another site for Ohio that shows bigfoot prints running along deer tracks, then the deer gets taken down and only bigfoot tracks leave the scene. That one was down around Atwater.
I will expose some of my ignorance here but while I know of Beckjord, and chuckle at his antics, he does hurt the overall communities with his BS. I am less familair with this Janet person, so if someone could bring me up to speed that would be appreciated. A link or something like that.
QUOTE(StacyInMI @ Dec 14 2003, 09:22 AM)
I knew this investigator (though correspondence only) quite well, although I haven't talked with him since moving to FL, and I know that he feels the same way most everyone else does about the EBs and MGs and JCCs of the world, so I don't think he'd follow up on anything that sounded even similar to that crap. I agree that more investigation probably should have been done before posting the report though.
It does make one think of Janice right away, but there's nothing terribly "out there" about this report that makes me raise an eyebrow. The fact the the BFRO has been invited to the site is encouraging also, so let's keep our fingers crossed!
It does make one think of Janice right away, but there's nothing terribly "out there" about this report that makes me raise an eyebrow. The fact the the BFRO has been invited to the site is encouraging also, so let's keep our fingers crossed!
One more time; MG? who?
Ganglian, you have some reading to do , I am sure others will enlighten you. Lets call it a controversial situation, and one that has a lot of timesuck in it for very good reason. Best of luck in your time spent here at this forum in it Ganglian.
& Chewy, if you are serious, you will need to pm me directly. I dont do private work in public view. I dont have the time. Happy Holiday Season.
, I am sure others will enlighten you. Lets call it a controversial situation, and one that has a lot of timesuck in it for very good reason. Best of luck in your time spent here at this forum in it Ganglian.& Chewy, if you are serious, you will need to pm me directly. I dont do private work in public view. I dont have the time. Happy Holiday Season.
This sounds really cool. Can't wait to see if anything comes of it.
The Bfro recieved a report. The telephone number and email addy has been confirmed. The rest is based on the investigators opinion.
KC
New signs of activity are often found during the hikes, and occassionally "Fang" will allow a brief sighting to take place. He seems as curious about her and her kids as they are of him. I've been invited for an on-site visit, and will be talking to other family members as well. When that takes place, or if anything else of significance occurs, I'll update this report.
What IS his opinion? What is his conclusion after 2 months of telephone interviews? Without "assumeing" or puting words in KC's mouth there really is much for the reader to go on.
As far as red flags go.....the whole report causes red flags to go up for me.
I myself have had many different occasions with the creature I have dubbed "Fang".
I go hiking quite often in the same area and know exactly where they usually are, as they tend to follow me most of the times I am there.
I fear of people coming to our area and trying to find Fang and his clan. I feel somewhat of an understanding and a protective closeness, and I feel they should be left alone.
If she has seen "Fang, What did it look like?
The witness takes a hike through the area for several hours almost every week, usually with her kids or a friend and a ritual is to leave Tootsie Rolls in the same location. (While the candy is always gone by the next visit, the BF has not been actually observed picking the gifts up - I mention it only in light of all the other activity that is reported.)
Atleast it wasnt marshmellows .
Right , wrong or indifferent , I think the report is inconclusive and was reported prematurely.
Peg
KC
New signs of activity are often found during the hikes, and occassionally "Fang" will allow a brief sighting to take place. He seems as curious about her and her kids as they are of him. I've been invited for an on-site visit, and will be talking to other family members as well. When that takes place, or if anything else of significance occurs, I'll update this report.
What IS his opinion? What is his conclusion after 2 months of telephone interviews? Without "assumeing" or puting words in KC's mouth there really is much for the reader to go on.
As far as red flags go.....the whole report causes red flags to go up for me.
I myself have had many different occasions with the creature I have dubbed "Fang".
I go hiking quite often in the same area and know exactly where they usually are, as they tend to follow me most of the times I am there.
I fear of people coming to our area and trying to find Fang and his clan. I feel somewhat of an understanding and a protective closeness, and I feel they should be left alone.
If she has seen "Fang, What did it look like?
The witness takes a hike through the area for several hours almost every week, usually with her kids or a friend and a ritual is to leave Tootsie Rolls in the same location. (While the candy is always gone by the next visit, the BF has not been actually observed picking the gifts up - I mention it only in light of all the other activity that is reported.)
Atleast it wasnt marshmellows .
Right , wrong or indifferent , I think the report is inconclusive and was reported prematurely.
Peg
i;ve never done this before i can't type or spell vary well but i try. what i would like to know is who is janice and what dose she have to do with this report. and to chewy i also live 20 mins from the report and would love to take a walk in the woods and take a good look around
Welcome to the BFF, Zeus!
The Janice being referred to is Janice Carter Coy. You can find everything you'd ever want to know about her in this thread. http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=798
Just don't blame me when you go cross-eyed from all the reading you're going to have to do.
And Janice doesn't have anything to do with this report other than some of the folks here believe there are parallels to this report and Janice's.
The Janice being referred to is Janice Carter Coy. You can find everything you'd ever want to know about her in this thread. http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=798
Just don't blame me when you go cross-eyed from all the reading you're going to have to do.
And Janice doesn't have anything to do with this report other than some of the folks here believe there are parallels to this report and Janice's.
thank you fishbone i will go take a look. 
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QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Dec 14 2003, 08:43 AM)
There are no reports of "fang" raping, stealing, and making movies play in these peoples heads, not to mention wearing overalls and speaking in several indian dialects.
By the way, that reminds me.......Did that bigfoot ever get convicted of raping that gal? Or, is she still bangin him?
Seriously, I wonder if those two (Green and Coy) actually believe that fantasy yarn they weave, or do they know its bunk, and have a good laugh at those who are gullible enough to swallow it?
QUOTE(Quake @ Dec 16 2003, 11:38 PM)
Seriously, I wonder if those two (Green and Coy) actually believe that fantasy yarn they weave, or do they know its bunk, and have a good laugh at those who are gullible enough to swallow it?
The question of our time...
QUOTE(Quake @ Dec 16 2003, 11:38 PM)
Seriously, I wonder if those two (Green and Coy) actually believe that fantasy yarn they weave, or do they know its bunk, and have a good laugh at those who are gullible enough to swallow it?
Gulp. mmmmm, good book!
Mary who?
QUOTE(chronic @ Dec 17 2003, 11:31 AM)
QUOTE(Quake @ Dec 16 2003, 11:38 PM)
Seriously, I wonder if those two (Green and Coy) actually believe that fantasy yarn they weave, or do they know its bunk, and have a good laugh at those who are gullible enough to swallow it?
Gulp. mmmmm, good book!
Dude, you really need to get out more. Next time you're in Waldenbooks check out:
Stephen King
Dean Koontz
Michael Crichton
Robert McCammon
just to name a few. They're much better fiction writers and I bet you'd be just as entertained. Probably even moreso.
Or...have you been getting into that "Humboldt" again?
You guys are aware, I suppose, that most of the human beings that inhabit this planet are laughing at you just as hard as you are laughing at Mary Green and Janice Coy? They do this because you happen to allow the possibility that something exists which they absolutely deny exists. It is this exact attitude which keeps most people 'in the closet' regarding any encounter they have had with this unknown creature. I have been having encounters with him for over twenty years now, and it is only in the last few months that I have felt comfortable discussing some of them openly.
As for the rape case -
There are many cases of human females engaging in bestiality; you can buy the movies right off the net if you doubt it. And many animals have such an overactive sex drive that they will attempt to mate with other species; a dog will even hump a humans leg if they are horny ehough. BF is at least primate, probably homo, and possibly sapiens. What on EARTH makes you so sure he would not mate with a human female?
Perhaps someday we can all stop ridiculing each other for what we have experienced, and instead concentrate our energy on investigation of this creature!
As for the rape case -
There are many cases of human females engaging in bestiality; you can buy the movies right off the net if you doubt it. And many animals have such an overactive sex drive that they will attempt to mate with other species; a dog will even hump a humans leg if they are horny ehough. BF is at least primate, probably homo, and possibly sapiens. What on EARTH makes you so sure he would not mate with a human female?
Perhaps someday we can all stop ridiculing each other for what we have experienced, and instead concentrate our energy on investigation of this creature!
QUOTE(AmPat @ Dec 18 2003, 06:18 AM)
You guys are aware, I suppose, that most of the human beings that inhabit this planet are laughing at you just as hard as you are laughing at Mary Green and Janice Coy? They do this because you happen to allow the possibility that something exists which they absolutely deny exists.
They can laugh at me because I know there's a body of evidence that makes not accepting these things walk the earth harder than accepting it. There's no body of evidence of any kind down there on the 'farm' and all you have to do is ask a few pointed questions to see it's a house of cards built on delusions.
AmPat, you seem a pretty good guy to me. Maybe it's best we agree to disagree on this one.
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QUOTE(AmPat @ Dec 18 2003, 06:18 AM)
You guys are aware, I suppose, that most of the human beings that inhabit this planet are laughing at you just as hard as you are laughing at Mary Green and Janice Coy? They do this because you happen to allow the possibility that something exists which they absolutely deny exists.
They can laugh at me because I know there's a body of evidence that makes not accepting these things walk the earth harder than accepting it. There's no body of evidence of any kind down there on the 'farm' and all you have to do is ask a few pointed questions to see it's a house of cards built on delusions.
AmPat, you seem a pretty good guy to me. Maybe it's best we agree to disagree on this one.
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Belle
Well, Bipto, I sure don't want to get into it with you - or with anyone else, for that matter. It's just that I have talked to Mary Green on several occasions, and have spent many hours in person talking to her as well. She is a fine person, very lucid, intelligent, and quite likeable. I have met Janice Coy also, and she seems very nice. Then I read all the garbage that is being said about them, and wonder what it is that these people could have done that upset everyone so very much.
Are you in contact with any of the researchers that have been on Janices farm? I am curious about your claim that there is no evidence there -
Are you in contact with any of the researchers that have been on Janices farm? I am curious about your claim that there is no evidence there -
From what I understand, researchers I'd consider to be disinterested third parties are not allowed on the Coy 'farm'. So no, I don't know any of them. And as far as evidence goes, I guess I just assumed if there was any it woulda been in that big ol' book they published. All we got was some fuzzy pictures after 50 whole years. Huh. Weird.
Maybe I'll write my own book about the bigfoot living under my deck. I'll tell stories about all the neighborhood pets it's eaten and women it's raped and I'll even take a picture where you can't see it (but I'll say it's there). If you don't believe me, just ask my neighbors. They take a collection once a week to help me keep him fed on Chicken McNuggets and cola Slurpees. Of course, I'll tell all the other researchers who come a calling that they're not allowed to talk to the bigfoot under my deck (oh yeah, he talks - a mixture of American Indian dialect and Swedish doncha know). If you want to communicate with my bigfoot, you'll have to do it the way everyone else does, though his psychic pet bird. On second thought, never mind. All you'll do afterwards is go online to some internet message board and say all kinds of crap about how I don't have any evidence to back up any of my claims. I don't know how you could possibly say that since you've never been here and seen the bigfoot under my deck for yourself, but you'll say it anyway.
Maybe I'll write my own book about the bigfoot living under my deck. I'll tell stories about all the neighborhood pets it's eaten and women it's raped and I'll even take a picture where you can't see it (but I'll say it's there). If you don't believe me, just ask my neighbors. They take a collection once a week to help me keep him fed on Chicken McNuggets and cola Slurpees. Of course, I'll tell all the other researchers who come a calling that they're not allowed to talk to the bigfoot under my deck (oh yeah, he talks - a mixture of American Indian dialect and Swedish doncha know). If you want to communicate with my bigfoot, you'll have to do it the way everyone else does, though his psychic pet bird. On second thought, never mind. All you'll do afterwards is go online to some internet message board and say all kinds of crap about how I don't have any evidence to back up any of my claims. I don't know how you could possibly say that since you've never been here and seen the bigfoot under my deck for yourself, but you'll say it anyway.
And if THAT doesn't get the point across, nothin's gonna.
Bipto, are you with Gulf Coast, by any chance? I know they were denied access to the farm, since they stated their purpose was to kill one to prove they exist -
If the BFRO had told me they wanted to do that here, they would never have set foot on this place, either. The investigator we first spoke to told us they were strictly NO KILL, however, so there have been several BFRO investigators here, a couple of them have made several visits.
The Australian Aboriginee was considered a subhuman some years ago. They were kept in zoos, and some people made a living hunting them and capturing them for that use, or killing them to sell their bodies as specimins to various institutions. I will not be a party to any such activity today. I know the creatures living here are intelligent, VERY wary of humans, and have no intent to harm us. I will protect them, even if that means I get ridiculed for not allowing everyone in that wants to get 'proof'.
If the BFRO had told me they wanted to do that here, they would never have set foot on this place, either. The investigator we first spoke to told us they were strictly NO KILL, however, so there have been several BFRO investigators here, a couple of them have made several visits.
The Australian Aboriginee was considered a subhuman some years ago. They were kept in zoos, and some people made a living hunting them and capturing them for that use, or killing them to sell their bodies as specimins to various institutions. I will not be a party to any such activity today. I know the creatures living here are intelligent, VERY wary of humans, and have no intent to harm us. I will protect them, even if that means I get ridiculed for not allowing everyone in that wants to get 'proof'.
AmPat, I'm not trying to ridicule you. Really, I'm not. And I'm not Gulf Coast. From what I understand, no one outside of Mary's circle are allowed on the 'farm' regardless of organizational affiliation. If that's not the case, I can find you three or four folks right here on this forum who will go with honestly open minds and truthfully report back any sign of bigfoot found there. I know you don't control access to that property, but you may want to ask if any real and impartial outside investigators will ever be allowed there. Use the expected response to form your own conclusions.
I have a question for you. Have you read 50 Years? Do you find it believable? All of it?
I have a question for you. Have you read 50 Years? Do you find it believable? All of it?
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Bipto, are you with Gulf Coast, by any chance? I know they were denied access to the farm, since they stated their purpose was to kill one to prove they exist -
I am sure bipto will tell us if he is with Gulf Coast or not
. On what grounds were they denied access to the farm Terry? Was it because they were pro-kill in philosophy, or because they stated that they were going to kill one while they were there on site, on the farm, on that visit? What did they think the GCBRO was going to do, smuggle in a 30-06 rifle under their jacket and pull it out the instant they saw Fox? Come on. The excuse was made that GCBRO was "pro-kill", therefore they were denied access to the farm. A broad, general, sweeping statement that was convenient at the time to keep anybody from the GCBRO, or anyone else with the pro-kill philosophy from coming to the farm to look around and see for themselves. There has, and always will be excuses for every possible scenario against any outsider to come in and look at the situation with an objective and critical eye. Why? Because there is nothing there. Just ask the neighbors. If there was that much bigfoot activity going on at that farm as has been reported by Mary and Janice, then they would have the find of the century on that farm, and should have all the proof ever needed to finally prove the existance of bigfoot. And, what about the baby bigfoot buried on the neighbors property? That alone is the absolute find of the century, and would solve this mystery once and for all, and put this creature on the forefront of science. But, since it's buried on a grouchy old neighbors land, then it must stay a mystery and never be uncovered. BTW, no neighbor even knew of that buried baby bigfoot, and the one neighbor that should know is the sweet little old lady that I spoke with, because her families land surrounds the Carter/Coy farm, and she has never heard of anything even remotely connected with anything bigfoot, much less a buried baby bigfoot body. You would think she would know a little something about that since her family owns the land where the body is purportedly buried. I have heard some people here say that phone interviews are worthless. Tell that to the apparently sincere, honest, upfront reactions I got on the phone from these people. And, btw, maybe it's just different here in Tennessee, but you can get a feel of how someone is reacting to news over the phone by their non-delayed, non-scripted reactions and tone of voice. But then again, maybe the neighbors are all trained to lie and cover up for Fox and the bigfoot lady the instant someone calls asking questions. Maybe they had been getting together on Saturday nights and having drills to practice just for this sort of thing, so they would be ready to lie the instant somebody called about Janice and the bigfoot. Anything's possible.
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But then again, maybe the neighbors are all trained to lie and cover up for Fox and the bigfoot lady the instant someone calls asking questions. Maybe they had been getting together on Saturday nights and having drills to practice just for this sort of thing, so they would be ready to lie the instant somebody called about Janice and the bigfoot. Anything's possible.
Nooooo, it's nothing as complicated as that. It's just Fox and Friends playing mind-games with all those neighbors and controlling their thoughts...'cause that's what they do, don'tcha know. Just ask Janice and Mary.
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Maybe I'll write my own book about the bigfoot living under my deck. I'll tell stories about all the neighborhood pets it's eaten and women it's raped and I'll even take a picture where you can't see it (but I'll say it's there). If you don't believe me, just ask my neighbors. They take a collection once a week to help me keep him fed on Chicken McNuggets and cola Slurpees. Of course, I'll tell all the other researchers who come a calling that they're not allowed to talk to the bigfoot under my deck (oh yeah, he talks - a mixture of American Indian dialect and Swedish doncha know). If you want to communicate with my bigfoot, you'll have to do it the way everyone else does, though his psychic pet bird. On second thought, never mind. All you'll do afterwards is go online to some internet message board and say all kinds of crap about how I don't have any evidence to back up any of my claims. I don't know how you could possibly say that since you've never been here and seen the bigfoot under my deck for yourself, but you'll say it anyway.
AmPat, did you actually take the time to read any of the above paragraph that Bipto wrote, or did you do like most of Mary's flock do and skip over it in order to maintain the fantasy and stay in denial? He's not just pulling this stuff out of his backside you know....these are all CLAIMS THAT JANICE AND MARY HAVE MADE. And there are more..... :rolleyes:
You truly believe that Fox raped a little girl? That they speak various Native languages? That they play movies in your head? That they utilize a PSYCHIC BIRD, for God's sake??? Again...realize that these absurd claims all came straight from the mouths of Mary and Janice. You were showing real potential to come around and see these women for what they are (deceiving liars and hoaxers who are the laughingstocks of the entire bigfoot community, aside from their little flock of blind, desperate followers) ... I hope you do see the light at some point, because aside from this issue, you seem to have a lot of good ideas and valuable input, and you really could be an asset to these boards.
Somewhere on these forums, you made the comment that you supposed that no matter WHAT Janice/Mary came up with or offered up here, it would automatically be met with suspicion and ridicule. You're absolutely right! What have we got to go on? Lies and crazy stories that continue to change and evolve. Nobody with an independently functioning brain will EVER take ANYTHING either one of them says seriously anymore.
Excerpt from Cosmic Tribune.com article:
And you don't think word would have spread in that community after 50 years of this kind of bigfoot activity? This is definently not something that could have been kept quiet all these years. Word, would have gotten out, especially after a girl was raped by one of these supposed creatures. And this is just the tip of the iceburg on some of the claims that have been presented, with no proof whatsoever, no photographs, no corroborating stories from neighbors that were interviewed for their statements to add in the book or the website(gee, wonder why). And this statement from David Mann:
And no track cast were made? Finally a shred proof to back up their claims, but no track cast were made? Yeah, ok.
This is one of my favorite quotes from David Mann:
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Bigfoot on the farm: Family's 50-year tale of coexistence
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By Hal McKenzie
.........A year later, she observed Carter feeding table scraps to the bigfoot. The bigfoot also took to sleeping under a trailer on the property. "We had to keep putting up the underpinning and taping up one of the heating vent ducts every day for the winter of 1995. Once it was still there when I went under to place the vent back up. I got Papaw to come out and get it out from under the trailer that day."
When Carter fell ill with the cancer that killed him in 1996, Fox left a dent in the top of the trailer. "I think Bigfoot was looking for Papaw to feed it as this was winter and cold and it may have even missed him," she said.
David Mann took two trips to the Carter farm to try and obtain thermal video of the creature at night, but failed. In a brief report posted to the media in Oregon, Mann writes: "bigfoots will not tolerate having a camera pulled on them, and they definitely will not pose or stand out in the open. They may be hand-fed but they are not tame. They always remain wary and hidden," compounded by their nocturnal habits.
"They do have bigfoots all over that place. It is the real deal. No, I did not see one or get any video. My timing was bad; also I probably set up too slow on my first trip, just after sunset, and missed my only opportunity to catch action at the feed bucket.
"On my second trip, they had completely left the farm and gone off raiding the neighborhood 3 days before I got there. One neighbor was missing milk cows, another could not find some of his goats. Mainly what I saw on the farm were huge tracks in the red mud, scores of old and new twisted cedars, and a hayloft full of grizzly-sized or gorilla-sized scat. They call that the poop barn. It smells like it has long been abandoned to bigfoots.".............
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By Hal McKenzie
.........A year later, she observed Carter feeding table scraps to the bigfoot. The bigfoot also took to sleeping under a trailer on the property. "We had to keep putting up the underpinning and taping up one of the heating vent ducts every day for the winter of 1995. Once it was still there when I went under to place the vent back up. I got Papaw to come out and get it out from under the trailer that day."
When Carter fell ill with the cancer that killed him in 1996, Fox left a dent in the top of the trailer. "I think Bigfoot was looking for Papaw to feed it as this was winter and cold and it may have even missed him," she said.
David Mann took two trips to the Carter farm to try and obtain thermal video of the creature at night, but failed. In a brief report posted to the media in Oregon, Mann writes: "bigfoots will not tolerate having a camera pulled on them, and they definitely will not pose or stand out in the open. They may be hand-fed but they are not tame. They always remain wary and hidden," compounded by their nocturnal habits.
"They do have bigfoots all over that place. It is the real deal. No, I did not see one or get any video. My timing was bad; also I probably set up too slow on my first trip, just after sunset, and missed my only opportunity to catch action at the feed bucket.
"On my second trip, they had completely left the farm and gone off raiding the neighborhood 3 days before I got there. One neighbor was missing milk cows, another could not find some of his goats. Mainly what I saw on the farm were huge tracks in the red mud, scores of old and new twisted cedars, and a hayloft full of grizzly-sized or gorilla-sized scat. They call that the poop barn. It smells like it has long been abandoned to bigfoots.".............
And you don't think word would have spread in that community after 50 years of this kind of bigfoot activity? This is definently not something that could have been kept quiet all these years. Word, would have gotten out, especially after a girl was raped by one of these supposed creatures. And this is just the tip of the iceburg on some of the claims that have been presented, with no proof whatsoever, no photographs, no corroborating stories from neighbors that were interviewed for their statements to add in the book or the website(gee, wonder why). And this statement from David Mann:
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Mainly what I saw on the farm were huge tracks in the red mud
And no track cast were made? Finally a shred proof to back up their claims, but no track cast were made? Yeah, ok.
This is one of my favorite quotes from David Mann:
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They do have bigfoots all over that place. It is the real deal. No, I did not see one or get any video.
JANICE COY, the bigfoot expert. Here is some reading material to refresh everyones memories. This comes straight off of the Chattahoochie board, and is public information. This is but a sampling of the claims and reports that were deleted with Mary's old board:
SO much purported activity, with not a shred of proof. Where is this "team" at now in their investigation? Where is the proof that was coming? Come here to this forum Janice Coy if you are willing to answer some tough questions. Mary Green won't, will you?
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Hello All, Sorry for the delay in answering.
February 26 2003 at 3:51 AM
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I'm sort of experiencing family problems right now so I may not be
posting much in the next few days. I also just got my new
computer back.
I have checked out cattle that the bigfoot have killed. They do
take the liver and the heart too to eat. In Goats the eat the same
and will eat parts of the back haunches and the tenderloin along
the spine. Same with Deer. I do not know if they do this with other
animals such as pigs or not. I know they eat the liver of a pig. As
for other animals like rabbits and rodents they eat the entire meat
except the head on a rabbit and squirrel. Rats they gut and eat
same as all other things they eat. Mice they pop in their mouths
like candy and eat the entire mouse. I can not think well right now
on every type of animal they eat. But they do eat liver from several
animals. Yours, Jan
February 26 2003 at 3:51 AM
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I'm sort of experiencing family problems right now so I may not be
posting much in the next few days. I also just got my new
computer back.
I have checked out cattle that the bigfoot have killed. They do
take the liver and the heart too to eat. In Goats the eat the same
and will eat parts of the back haunches and the tenderloin along
the spine. Same with Deer. I do not know if they do this with other
animals such as pigs or not. I know they eat the liver of a pig. As
for other animals like rabbits and rodents they eat the entire meat
except the head on a rabbit and squirrel. Rats they gut and eat
same as all other things they eat. Mice they pop in their mouths
like candy and eat the entire mouse. I can not think well right now
on every type of animal they eat. But they do eat liver from several
animals. Yours, Jan
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Yes, the bigfoot love grains.
February 26 2003 at 4:01 AM
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Nicki eats the hamster treats as fast as I place them out. She
does not share either. Try some salmon or canned cat food that is
fish flavored. They like that here too. And I do feed them raw beef
hearts, livers, and kidneys. They do not all the time accept the
kidneys but they love the hearts and liver. Watch the strawberries
too if you have a patch growing. They like berries of all types. I
tried some keewee last month to see if they would eat that but
they did not touch it. They like turnips too. But grain seems to be
a major part of their daily diet. Yours, Jan
February 26 2003 at 4:01 AM
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Nicki eats the hamster treats as fast as I place them out. She
does not share either. Try some salmon or canned cat food that is
fish flavored. They like that here too. And I do feed them raw beef
hearts, livers, and kidneys. They do not all the time accept the
kidneys but they love the hearts and liver. Watch the strawberries
too if you have a patch growing. They like berries of all types. I
tried some keewee last month to see if they would eat that but
they did not touch it. They like turnips too. But grain seems to be
a major part of their daily diet. Yours, Jan
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Hello All, I know the secret too of the two Gentlemen. LOL
March 4 2003 at 10:52 PM
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And if you place Bobby B. in there with them I will follow with no
fear of any old bigfoot getting to me. These three men could
tackle a football team and come out on top. Trust me Will is
fearless. I know he and I went were I was a bit uneasy and he was
going to go on. I was the one that turned chicken when three of
the bigfoot surounded us and I could not see them. Plus one of the
bigfoot had given off that nasty scent they have when we came
back down the mountian and I walked right into that smell. So I'd
say we had them pretty anoid up there. I do not know to many
men that would try to cross a flooded area to get to a hot spot
either. Will was going to try if he could. Talk about playing Tarzan.
Old Tarzan could not hold a candle to Will or any of these fine
men. Heck it is all I can do to keep up with them. So we can get all
three together and they can tell the bigfoot to come out
peacefully or else. LOL I would not put it past them to catch one
bare handed and bring it out for everyone to see. Yours,
Jan
March 4 2003 at 10:52 PM
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And if you place Bobby B. in there with them I will follow with no
fear of any old bigfoot getting to me. These three men could
tackle a football team and come out on top. Trust me Will is
fearless. I know he and I went were I was a bit uneasy and he was
going to go on. I was the one that turned chicken when three of
the bigfoot surounded us and I could not see them. Plus one of the
bigfoot had given off that nasty scent they have when we came
back down the mountian and I walked right into that smell. So I'd
say we had them pretty anoid up there. I do not know to many
men that would try to cross a flooded area to get to a hot spot
either. Will was going to try if he could. Talk about playing Tarzan.
Old Tarzan could not hold a candle to Will or any of these fine
men. Heck it is all I can do to keep up with them. So we can get all
three together and they can tell the bigfoot to come out
peacefully or else. LOL I would not put it past them to catch one
bare handed and bring it out for everyone to see. Yours,
Jan
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No not most of the time John.
March 6 2003 at 5:07 AM
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The Tee Pees are usually along a different path than the main
trails they travel. The build them in the thicker trees around here.
But they can and do build small teepee and other structures near
the house and the road so that they can get in them and hide and
watch what we are doing or what is going on around them. Yours,
Jan
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The Tee Pees are usually along a different path than the main
trails they travel. The build them in the thicker trees around here.
But they can and do build small teepee and other structures near
the house and the road so that they can get in them and hide and
watch what we are doing or what is going on around them. Yours,
Jan
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hello Jeff,
March 4 2003 at 11:15 PM
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I only know that the males will build the big tee pee's as places to
attract a mate and she and he will use the place as a mating area.
I have seen a bunch of those little tee pee like markers around the
spring area before down here. Like the ones were two or so sticks
have been made into a small tee peee about two or three feet tall.
They also like to stack rocks near water. They will take a large
slate rock here and stack them upword using smaller rocks each
time to place on the one below it. until it looks like they have built
a pyrimid or something like that for a marker.
This is going to sound a bit odd coming from me, but there was a
time when someone asked me what I thought the mental
equivalent of a grown bigfoot would be. I told them that a grown
bigfoot would have the mental conpassity of about a 8 to 12 year
old child. The other day my husband Paul and I were talking about
this and he called my draw. He told me that they would have to be
smarter than that and that they would almost have to be as smart
if not smarter wood wise than we are as an adult. He reasons this
because of the fact they build all these odd looking formations
and they can move about and organise hunts that they plan out
and they know to dig pits to lay in wait while one of the others
runs deer toward the one laying in wait. He said that takes a lot of
planning and thought and intellegance to plan and organize things
like that. Plus he mentioned a lot of other things I always took for
granted that it was just a bigfoots nature of doing on an every day
norm that would take a lot of continplating and thought to do on
anyones part. I hate to admit I was wrong but I think Paul is right
they are smarted than what I gave and give them credit for. And to
think, that every time I think I have old Fox figured out someone
(Paul) points out were i am underestimating the old booger. paul
says I treat them insultingly because I try to treat them like they
are a bunch of little simple minded children.
So I guess it is back to the ld drawing board for me. I have got to
think bigfoot and quite thinking child. That is the only thing I know
of that they build the really large tee pees for here Jeff. Just for
mating purposes.
Yours, Jan
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I only know that the males will build the big tee pee's as places to
attract a mate and she and he will use the place as a mating area.
I have seen a bunch of those little tee pee like markers around the
spring area before down here. Like the ones were two or so sticks
have been made into a small tee peee about two or three feet tall.
They also like to stack rocks near water. They will take a large
slate rock here and stack them upword using smaller rocks each
time to place on the one below it. until it looks like they have built
a pyrimid or something like that for a marker.
This is going to sound a bit odd coming from me, but there was a
time when someone asked me what I thought the mental
equivalent of a grown bigfoot would be. I told them that a grown
bigfoot would have the mental conpassity of about a 8 to 12 year
old child. The other day my husband Paul and I were talking about
this and he called my draw. He told me that they would have to be
smarter than that and that they would almost have to be as smart
if not smarter wood wise than we are as an adult. He reasons this
because of the fact they build all these odd looking formations
and they can move about and organise hunts that they plan out
and they know to dig pits to lay in wait while one of the others
runs deer toward the one laying in wait. He said that takes a lot of
planning and thought and intellegance to plan and organize things
like that. Plus he mentioned a lot of other things I always took for
granted that it was just a bigfoots nature of doing on an every day
norm that would take a lot of continplating and thought to do on
anyones part. I hate to admit I was wrong but I think Paul is right
they are smarted than what I gave and give them credit for. And to
think, that every time I think I have old Fox figured out someone
(Paul) points out were i am underestimating the old booger. paul
says I treat them insultingly because I try to treat them like they
are a bunch of little simple minded children.
So I guess it is back to the ld drawing board for me. I have got to
think bigfoot and quite thinking child. That is the only thing I know
of that they build the really large tee pees for here Jeff. Just for
mating purposes.
Yours, Jan
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hello Jeff, The only time
March 6 2003 at 5:26 AM
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I seen them using something besides their big fingers to slice any
prey open was when I was watching from a tree. I can not be
certain but it looked like a slate rock they had and were using. I
could never be certain. I just was not close enough to see for sure
what it was they were using. Yours, Jan
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I seen them using something besides their big fingers to slice any
prey open was when I was watching from a tree. I can not be
certain but it looked like a slate rock they had and were using. I
could never be certain. I just was not close enough to see for sure
what it was they were using. Yours, Jan
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It was in the summer and also in the winter months.
March 6 2003 at 5:33 AM
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She just came when she was hungary. That one time was either in
the late summer or the early fall. We had company and Papaw had
not fed them on time nor had he milked the cows or done the farm
work. Sheba had waited as long as she was going to wait. As soon
as the company got out of sight around the corner she started
down to the house with her twin children. Lila my sister always
thought they were a mother bear with her two cubs. Grandfather
always told her that Sheba was a wild dog and she had puppies
until Lia figured out from seeing one of the puppies hands and
forearm coming out to grab some food that it was a very odd
looking puppy indeed to have possesion of a very human looking
hand and arm.
But all the bigfoot just came to the house when ever they wanted
to, and they still do, it does not matter what werather or month it
is. It is just when they want food or to be pest that they come up.
Yours, Jan
March 6 2003 at 5:33 AM
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She just came when she was hungary. That one time was either in
the late summer or the early fall. We had company and Papaw had
not fed them on time nor had he milked the cows or done the farm
work. Sheba had waited as long as she was going to wait. As soon
as the company got out of sight around the corner she started
down to the house with her twin children. Lila my sister always
thought they were a mother bear with her two cubs. Grandfather
always told her that Sheba was a wild dog and she had puppies
until Lia figured out from seeing one of the puppies hands and
forearm coming out to grab some food that it was a very odd
looking puppy indeed to have possesion of a very human looking
hand and arm.
But all the bigfoot just came to the house when ever they wanted
to, and they still do, it does not matter what werather or month it
is. It is just when they want food or to be pest that they come up.
Yours, Jan
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Hello all, The bigfoot mate as often as we humans do.
March 8 2003 at 3:48 AM
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There is no acertained time frame, except the females will not let
the male mate with them during their cycle that comes about
every 8 to 9 week as best as I know. The gestation period is
around 9 to 10 months. Offspring are born all year around, does
not matter if it is winter or summer. Just whenever the time to
deliver is upon the mother. The babies are between the average
size of a human baby, which is very small for a baby bigfoot and
about 15 pounds 29 inches long at birth. This is going on only one
baby I seen right after it was born. The rest were always a few
weeks old before the mother would come out with them, but they
still look about the same size and weigh frame herein. I will say
this right here. I am not pro kill. However for whatever purpose
you wish to know I do not think that scat is going to attract a male
bigfoot to nor urine from a female ape nor bigfoot for that matter.
However if you wish to walk on the wild side and you can find a
woman braver than I you can ask her to accompany you in you
quest for bigfoot during her monthly cycle. This is an attractant
for the male bigfoot. I strongly would not advise any woman to
enter the domain or living area of any bigfoot during her time of
month. I can not stress this enough, it is totally dangerous. I do
believe Mary will tell you the same.
Yours, Jan
March 8 2003 at 3:48 AM
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There is no acertained time frame, except the females will not let
the male mate with them during their cycle that comes about
every 8 to 9 week as best as I know. The gestation period is
around 9 to 10 months. Offspring are born all year around, does
not matter if it is winter or summer. Just whenever the time to
deliver is upon the mother. The babies are between the average
size of a human baby, which is very small for a baby bigfoot and
about 15 pounds 29 inches long at birth. This is going on only one
baby I seen right after it was born. The rest were always a few
weeks old before the mother would come out with them, but they
still look about the same size and weigh frame herein. I will say
this right here. I am not pro kill. However for whatever purpose
you wish to know I do not think that scat is going to attract a male
bigfoot to nor urine from a female ape nor bigfoot for that matter.
However if you wish to walk on the wild side and you can find a
woman braver than I you can ask her to accompany you in you
quest for bigfoot during her monthly cycle. This is an attractant
for the male bigfoot. I strongly would not advise any woman to
enter the domain or living area of any bigfoot during her time of
month. I can not stress this enough, it is totally dangerous. I do
believe Mary will tell you the same.
Yours, Jan
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No I have not ever took and measured a baby
March 8 2003 at 2:30 PM
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bigfoot with a tape measure and I have never weighed one on any
baby scales either. This is a guesstmation as to how long and how
much they weigh compaired to a sack of feed for cattle. The 25
pound bag of cattle feed that is. Yours, Jan
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bigfoot with a tape measure and I have never weighed one on any
baby scales either. This is a guesstmation as to how long and how
much they weigh compaired to a sack of feed for cattle. The 25
pound bag of cattle feed that is. Yours, Jan
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PS: Birth weigh and lenght
March 8 2003 at 2:23 PM
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Meant to say that the birth weigh veries from 10 to 15 pounds and
the lenght is from 29 inches to three feet. Babies are also born
naked and the hair grows in after a few weeks just like on a
puppy. Only a light dusting of hair at first. Sorry for any confussion
I may have caused with my post last night. I was trying to anser
after being up for over 36 hours. Next time I'll wait until I'm not
brain dead before I post an answer. Yours, Jan
March 8 2003 at 2:23 PM
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Meant to say that the birth weigh veries from 10 to 15 pounds and
the lenght is from 29 inches to three feet. Babies are also born
naked and the hair grows in after a few weeks just like on a
puppy. Only a light dusting of hair at first. Sorry for any confussion
I may have caused with my post last night. I was trying to anser
after being up for over 36 hours. Next time I'll wait until I'm not
brain dead before I post an answer. Yours, Jan
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This is a very good question and one that no one has
bothered
March 9 2003 at 1:56 PM
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to ask me before now. Before I went public with my story of our
bigfoot, I was a self employed antique dealer. Active in dog shows
and the dog clubs. Mom and housewife. Plus just coming out of
dealing with my Mothers dead and settlements of her estate there
after. Seems like I use to have time for my family and for myself
more than I do now. I have set here and have been total obsorbed
in nothing but bigfoot and what or whom is saying what about me
and my story for so long now that it isn't funny at times. Yes, I do
worry about what others think of me and of mine and Mary's book.
I find now that I have no time whatsoever for the things I use to
enjoy like the dog shows and running my business. I find I do not
even seem to have the time I use to for my family. What I do have
is the burden of proof placed upon my shoulders now. Sometimes I
find this load a bit heavy to carry. I work towords proving
everything is true that I said in the book. Sometimes this is very
time consuming to say the least. There are things being done to
prove once and for all that the bigfoot are for real and that what I
know about them is for real too. I just can not disclose so much of
what is taking place in this case. Mary and the team members
that work with me on a daily basis be that behind a computer or
by phone or out in the field with me, are sworn by our word to not
disclose everything we know until all conserned have our ducks
lined up in a role and can come forword and tell all there is in the
proper light. My life has changed quite a bit. I no longer have the
freedom to go where I want and when I want. I have to be sure to
feed our bigfoot here each day and every day. I have to sit here on
this silly computer answering a bunch of questions asked of me
over and over again, not to mention work with the people of my
team, when I'd much rather be out of doors doing something
another or enjoying time with my children not having to worry
about the bigfoot and what we need to do next to offer the proof
everyone is demanding of us. This bigfoot business is time
consuming and it sometimes has become like and obsession that
can not be placed on the back burner for a minute or the pot boils
over. One thing for sure and two things for certain this is not an
easy path to travel all the time. I set here thinking each day that
this will be the day of conclusions, but with each conclusion there
come a new unanswered question to solve. Bigfoot research
takes time, and is not something that one anyone can solve in a
days time. Like Rome it is never built in one days time. It takes a
lot of decated people working toward the same goal to acheve a
thing. Sometimes I wish I could turn around and walk away from it
all for awhile and return to living like the average person lives.
Tnen I think to myself, we have come this far so why not walk the
extra mile or two it is going to take to prove our case. I guess I'm
just to stubborn to give up and give in. I never was good at quiting
or changing horses in midstream. Even if it means I may get
bucked off a couple of times I just pick myself up dust myself off
and keep on plunging ahead hoping I'll reach the other side
eventually. So I guess I'm here to stay, wheather it means that
folks say negetive things about me and my book or not. I'll hang
tough and I'll be around when the others have long left this field of
investigation and research. I'm here to stay for better or worse. I
believe all my team members are willing to hang in here with me.
Yours, Jan
bothered
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to ask me before now. Before I went public with my story of our
bigfoot, I was a self employed antique dealer. Active in dog shows
and the dog clubs. Mom and housewife. Plus just coming out of
dealing with my Mothers dead and settlements of her estate there
after. Seems like I use to have time for my family and for myself
more than I do now. I have set here and have been total obsorbed
in nothing but bigfoot and what or whom is saying what about me
and my story for so long now that it isn't funny at times. Yes, I do
worry about what others think of me and of mine and Mary's book.
I find now that I have no time whatsoever for the things I use to
enjoy like the dog shows and running my business. I find I do not
even seem to have the time I use to for my family. What I do have
is the burden of proof placed upon my shoulders now. Sometimes I
find this load a bit heavy to carry. I work towords proving
everything is true that I said in the book. Sometimes this is very
time consuming to say the least. There are things being done to
prove once and for all that the bigfoot are for real and that what I
know about them is for real too. I just can not disclose so much of
what is taking place in this case. Mary and the team members
that work with me on a daily basis be that behind a computer or
by phone or out in the field with me, are sworn by our word to not
disclose everything we know until all conserned have our ducks
lined up in a role and can come forword and tell all there is in the
proper light. My life has changed quite a bit. I no longer have the
freedom to go where I want and when I want. I have to be sure to
feed our bigfoot here each day and every day. I have to sit here on
this silly computer answering a bunch of questions asked of me
over and over again, not to mention work with the people of my
team, when I'd much rather be out of doors doing something
another or enjoying time with my children not having to worry
about the bigfoot and what we need to do next to offer the proof
everyone is demanding of us. This bigfoot business is time
consuming and it sometimes has become like and obsession that
can not be placed on the back burner for a minute or the pot boils
over. One thing for sure and two things for certain this is not an
easy path to travel all the time. I set here thinking each day that
this will be the day of conclusions, but with each conclusion there
come a new unanswered question to solve. Bigfoot research
takes time, and is not something that one anyone can solve in a
days time. Like Rome it is never built in one days time. It takes a
lot of decated people working toward the same goal to acheve a
thing. Sometimes I wish I could turn around and walk away from it
all for awhile and return to living like the average person lives.
Tnen I think to myself, we have come this far so why not walk the
extra mile or two it is going to take to prove our case. I guess I'm
just to stubborn to give up and give in. I never was good at quiting
or changing horses in midstream. Even if it means I may get
bucked off a couple of times I just pick myself up dust myself off
and keep on plunging ahead hoping I'll reach the other side
eventually. So I guess I'm here to stay, wheather it means that
folks say negetive things about me and my book or not. I'll hang
tough and I'll be around when the others have long left this field of
investigation and research. I'm here to stay for better or worse. I
believe all my team members are willing to hang in here with me.
Yours, Jan
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Hello all, An out? Hummmm
March 12 2003 at 10:28 AM
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I really do not see an out for me or any of us that are involved in
the research of bigfoot. Maybe a sort of closure someday.
For me, this bigfoot business is sort of like the reading of a book
full of knowledge, you read one page and the you have to go to
the next and read it. Once your done with the book your quest for
knowledge is so strong you hunt for another book to read to fill
the space that the first one left empty. Once you discover some
things with the bigfoot you have to keep going because you want
to see if you can figure them all out. You keep searching and
observing until you fill up the empty spaces as best you can with
what you learn from them, but there always remains an empty
space that needs filling no matter how much you learn over time
about the bigfoot.
I guess if I wanted to get a bunch of other people involved I could.
I just do not think it would be beneficial to bring in a lot of people
to research the bigfoot. The bigfoot tend to hide at first when
strangers get involved.
I do have help from a great team of researchers and scientis here
that help me and my family. There are times when I get upset or
depressed when i hope and think things should be moving faster
than they do with our seeking of knowledge on these bigfoot, but I
turn to my family and friends to help me over the bumps in the
road on my way to the end. If I want to go somewhere right now I
ask my husband to feed and help out withthe bigfoot. If we want
to go somewhere together them I try to make arrangments for
someone the bigfoot know well to come and do the feedings. My
sister helps out and Gene and his wife live sort of close and help
out all they can too. I think that between Mary,Gene and everyone
else that is involved with this case we pretty much can handle
things. My main trouble is I do not ask them to help out a lot
because I feel like I am sponging off of them.
As far as the book goes, I did not think that it would receive the
type of responce it has. But I guess I should have realized it would
not be received well because it condridicts alot of what people
wish to belive the bigfoot to be capable of. However in some
cases it has opened doors for others that have not come forword
before to report what they know about bigfoot. So I feel if it has
helped a few, it has served its purpose and that maybe it is acting
as a turning point for the research of the bigfoot. If it and my
observations over the years get these creatures reconized and
documented as a species and protected in the long run then all
this contriversy we now face will be well worth it in the end.
Nothing in history was ever achieved by people that were no
decitated to the cause no matter what others of the time thought
or said about them. Example, I do not think folks thought the
Wright brothers were in their right minds when they built and flew
the first air plane, nor did folks well recieve Ford when he came up
with the car. If these men had listened to every naysayer that
tossed negetive comments their way we all would stil be traveling
around in horse and buggy or on foot.
Yours, Jan
March 12 2003 at 10:28 AM
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I really do not see an out for me or any of us that are involved in
the research of bigfoot. Maybe a sort of closure someday.
For me, this bigfoot business is sort of like the reading of a book
full of knowledge, you read one page and the you have to go to
the next and read it. Once your done with the book your quest for
knowledge is so strong you hunt for another book to read to fill
the space that the first one left empty. Once you discover some
things with the bigfoot you have to keep going because you want
to see if you can figure them all out. You keep searching and
observing until you fill up the empty spaces as best you can with
what you learn from them, but there always remains an empty
space that needs filling no matter how much you learn over time
about the bigfoot.
I guess if I wanted to get a bunch of other people involved I could.
I just do not think it would be beneficial to bring in a lot of people
to research the bigfoot. The bigfoot tend to hide at first when
strangers get involved.
I do have help from a great team of researchers and scientis here
that help me and my family. There are times when I get upset or
depressed when i hope and think things should be moving faster
than they do with our seeking of knowledge on these bigfoot, but I
turn to my family and friends to help me over the bumps in the
road on my way to the end. If I want to go somewhere right now I
ask my husband to feed and help out withthe bigfoot. If we want
to go somewhere together them I try to make arrangments for
someone the bigfoot know well to come and do the feedings. My
sister helps out and Gene and his wife live sort of close and help
out all they can too. I think that between Mary,Gene and everyone
else that is involved with this case we pretty much can handle
things. My main trouble is I do not ask them to help out a lot
because I feel like I am sponging off of them.
As far as the book goes, I did not think that it would receive the
type of responce it has. But I guess I should have realized it would
not be received well because it condridicts alot of what people
wish to belive the bigfoot to be capable of. However in some
cases it has opened doors for others that have not come forword
before to report what they know about bigfoot. So I feel if it has
helped a few, it has served its purpose and that maybe it is acting
as a turning point for the research of the bigfoot. If it and my
observations over the years get these creatures reconized and
documented as a species and protected in the long run then all
this contriversy we now face will be well worth it in the end.
Nothing in history was ever achieved by people that were no
decitated to the cause no matter what others of the time thought
or said about them. Example, I do not think folks thought the
Wright brothers were in their right minds when they built and flew
the first air plane, nor did folks well recieve Ford when he came up
with the car. If these men had listened to every naysayer that
tossed negetive comments their way we all would stil be traveling
around in horse and buggy or on foot.
Yours, Jan
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The locals are very supportive.
March 14 2003 at 4:35 PM
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There has been no federal involvement as of yet. There are
rumors out there that the goverment and fifty other organizations
are involved, but that is not so, just a bunch of rumors. Yours,
Jan
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There has been no federal involvement as of yet. There are
rumors out there that the goverment and fifty other organizations
are involved, but that is not so, just a bunch of rumors. Yours,
Jan
SO much purported activity, with not a shred of proof. Where is this "team" at now in their investigation? Where is the proof that was coming? Come here to this forum Janice Coy if you are willing to answer some tough questions. Mary Green won't, will you?
Terry, I exchanged emails with Mary Green a few months ago. Actually, it was back at the first of the summer of 2003. I simply told her that I had read the 50 years book, and that I would like to discuss it further with she and Jan, and that I would also like to visit the farm. I also told her that I would reserve any judgements about the book until I had a chance to come there, at my own expense, and look around. I also told her that I would be glad to support the book if I could find ANY evidence that what was written in it were true.
The first thing Mary wanted to know was where I did my research, what my affiliation was with ANY organization and why I thought it necesary to visit there to believe. This banter went on for a few emails and I don't think she ever believed that I really wasn't associated with the BFRO or GCBRO (she got this idea because of the location I am in :rolleyes: )
I was very polite and straight forward with her. She ended our emails with the statement that they were now using the "Jane Goodall" approach and no "outsiders" were welcome at the farm. Period. Never once in any of her emails did she give me any good reason why I couldn't come to the farm or at least discuss these claims with Janice Coy. But, I got the message loud and clear that she meant either "believe me or go away".
The first thing Mary wanted to know was where I did my research, what my affiliation was with ANY organization and why I thought it necesary to visit there to believe. This banter went on for a few emails and I don't think she ever believed that I really wasn't associated with the BFRO or GCBRO (she got this idea because of the location I am in :rolleyes: )
I was very polite and straight forward with her. She ended our emails with the statement that they were now using the "Jane Goodall" approach and no "outsiders" were welcome at the farm. Period. Never once in any of her emails did she give me any good reason why I couldn't come to the farm or at least discuss these claims with Janice Coy. But, I got the message loud and clear that she meant either "believe me or go away".
BWWAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thanks for a good laugh Vol, I'd forgotten how FUNNY some of this stuff was!!!
Thanks for posting that Vol
I haven't read much of what Janice and MG has written, and this is uhh interesting, to say the least.
Almost makes me want to read those books, just out of curiousity.
Ampat, I'm sure MG and Janice are very sweet ladies and all... But, don't you think there may be even the slightest hint of disillusionment going on?
If I had even 1/10 of this going on around my property, I would at least try to provide serious investigators with some sort of evidence to back up my claims if I went public with it, as it seems so apparent there that they have had many chances to provide even one decent photograph. I guess I just don't get it. I would most certainly keep this information secret/private and stay anonymous, definitely not revealing the location. Going public and writing a book about it would only draw negative attention, not only to myself and family, but the BF as well. Why would anyone want to do that if they truly wanted to keep this animal(s) safe?
Kinda sad..
I haven't read much of what Janice and MG has written, and this is uhh interesting, to say the least.
Almost makes me want to read those books, just out of curiousity.
Ampat, I'm sure MG and Janice are very sweet ladies and all... But, don't you think there may be even the slightest hint of disillusionment going on?
If I had even 1/10 of this going on around my property, I would at least try to provide serious investigators with some sort of evidence to back up my claims if I went public with it, as it seems so apparent there that they have had many chances to provide even one decent photograph. I guess I just don't get it. I would most certainly keep this information secret/private and stay anonymous, definitely not revealing the location. Going public and writing a book about it would only draw negative attention, not only to myself and family, but the BF as well. Why would anyone want to do that if they truly wanted to keep this animal(s) safe?
Kinda sad..
Excerpt from "50 Years with bigfoot" , on the "50 Years" public ordering information page:
Dead baby bigfoot buried by Mama bigfoot. Janice knows the burial site. This would finally be conclusive proof of this creatures existance. Terry, if you had personal knowledge of the exact burial location of the bigfoot shown in the Patterson-Gimlin film, would you sit on your hands and let it be, at the expense of every other researcher currently in the field? I would fathom to say no, you don't strike me as someone who would sit on such an important piece of evidence, THE most important piece of evidence. If it was public knowledge that you knew where this body was buried, does it not stand to reason that you would be literally inundated, night and day, with hordes of request and propositions to gain access to the burial site? You would if your claims were deemed credible. Is there a credibility problem with Janice and that is the reason she is not persued more heavily by well known and respected researchers at the forefront of the field? I think so.
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(Page 149)
Burying Their Dead
by Janice Carter Coy
The way I know the bigfoot bury their dead is because I saw them burying one.
They would take food to the grave of the little one they buried for a long time,
laying it on top of the grave. I thought this was odd. That is why I said they bury
their dead. At least they did that one. They dug a very large hole, or
else I thought it was large when I was a child, to place the little dead one in. This
baby belonged to Sheba and Fox and it was the third one born to them. They
had the twins first and then this one female was born dead.
The dead female was born on the 25th of May, as I know the exact date she came
into the world and was dead. No, I didn't see Sheba have her, but I did hear Sheba
scream and then scream and whimper a lot right before she showed up with the
dead baby.
Burying Their Dead
by Janice Carter Coy
The way I know the bigfoot bury their dead is because I saw them burying one.
They would take food to the grave of the little one they buried for a long time,
laying it on top of the grave. I thought this was odd. That is why I said they bury
their dead. At least they did that one. They dug a very large hole, or
else I thought it was large when I was a child, to place the little dead one in. This
baby belonged to Sheba and Fox and it was the third one born to them. They
had the twins first and then this one female was born dead.
The dead female was born on the 25th of May, as I know the exact date she came
into the world and was dead. No, I didn't see Sheba have her, but I did hear Sheba
scream and then scream and whimper a lot right before she showed up with the
dead baby.
Dead baby bigfoot buried by Mama bigfoot. Janice knows the burial site. This would finally be conclusive proof of this creatures existance. Terry, if you had personal knowledge of the exact burial location of the bigfoot shown in the Patterson-Gimlin film, would you sit on your hands and let it be, at the expense of every other researcher currently in the field? I would fathom to say no, you don't strike me as someone who would sit on such an important piece of evidence, THE most important piece of evidence. If it was public knowledge that you knew where this body was buried, does it not stand to reason that you would be literally inundated, night and day, with hordes of request and propositions to gain access to the burial site? You would if your claims were deemed credible. Is there a credibility problem with Janice and that is the reason she is not persued more heavily by well known and respected researchers at the forefront of the field? I think so.
They are so full of s**t that their eyes are BROWN!
Belle
(edit) Okay okay! I'll be kind.
(I JUST WON"T SAY WHAT KIND)
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ Dec 19 2003, 06:41 PM)
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(Page 149)
...it was the third one born to them. They
had the twins first and then this one female was born dead.
Third one? THIRD one? Nope, according to the good book that stillborn was the FOURTH if we include the twins. Of course Fox and Sheba had at least FIVE born before the twins (pg. 164), and the stillborn was not born right after twins, Toby holds that honor.
Twins--Blackie and Diamond?-- born in 1973 (pg. 74).
Toby born in 1977 (pg. 74).
After Toby, Sheba had a female that died, and Janice thinks that "Sheba didn't allow herself enough time between them" (pg. 75). This means she must have been born sometime in late 1977. But it couldn't have been in late 1977 as Janice "watched the entire bigfoot family bury Sheba's stillborn baby in 1977" (pg. 35), and "the dead female was born on the 25th of May" (pg. 149).
Another female was born to Sheba in 1981, and this female, that neither Janice or Lila could recall the name of, went missing around 1986-87 (pg. 75). This same female returned in 1992, minus two fingers (pg. 75), and they subsequently remember the name of this female as Chico (pg. 143).
Another female born to Sheba in 1989 (pg. 76) that is still hanging around. (Nicky?)
That's a total of at least TWELVE bigfoot babies born to Sheba.
There are also a number of stray bigfoot hanging around or passing through:
A hairless male that may have taken Chico as a mate (pg. 135).
a hairless female that showed up but only stayed a few weeks (pg. 136).
Blackie's mate Stinky (pg. 142).
Shaggy, a male that hung around from about 1984-89 (pg. 143).
Finally, a rogue male that tried to steal Sheba away from Fox and was shot at by Papaw in 1977 or 1978 (pg. 143-145).
That's a total of 19, yes NINETEEN bigfoot roaming around that one area that have been seen and/or identified. Damn, that county should be overrun with bigfoot!!
There are far too many things in this book that just don't add up.
RayG
Well jeeze, Ray, if you're not even going to read the book...
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After Toby, Sheba had a female that died, and Janice thinks that "Sheba didn't allow herself enough time between them" (pg. 75). This means she must have been born sometime in late 1977 as Janice "watched the entire bigfoot family bury Sheba's stillborn baby in 1977" (pg. 35).
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Finally, a rogue male that tried to steal Sheba away from Fox and was shot at by Papaw in 1977 or 1978 (pg. 143-145).
SHEBA....you wanton hussy! I bet Fox killed the baby because you were steppin' out on him.
Ray....
good job!
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