Is the so called dogmen of Wisconsin and Michigan and Ontario considered to be a bigfoot or should they be classed as something else. From the reports I have read they don't look like your typical sasquatch because of the long snout and are more aggressive.

They're werewolves.

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I think they are a mean, ugly, pissed off, half breed Bigfoot.

I have read reports of sightings that describe the dogman legs as looking like the rear legs of a canine. There have also been extra large canine type PAW prints found and "cast" at sighting locations. Of course, the descriptions also inlude the ubiquitous muzzle and tail. The only thing that seems similar to reported descriptions of BF is the hair covering its body. Even the ears have been described as pointed and located on the TOP of the head. Therefore, one might conclude that it is not a BF. However, there are theories that it might be but I can't explain the basis for that. Robert is correct that there are those that believe it is some kind of werewolf-like creature or "skinwalker" or "shapeshifter" most commonly heard of in Native American accounts. There is no evidence to support this, that I know of, but it is a common belief. There is a plethora of info available on the Internet at sites like "Michigan-Dogman.com" or "Themuseumofthewierd.com". I would suggest that you Check it out and form your own opinion as the debate on these creatures rages on. It makes for some interesting reading for sure. Happy hunting!
Oh yeah, I forgot to include the theory that it is a variant of the wolf that has, maybe for reasons of efficiency, adapted to walk on its hind legs. Other names include: Wisconsin Werewolf, Loupe Garou, Wendigo and maybe one or two others. Hope this helps.

I don't remember the Wendigo/Windigo ever getting reported as dog faced, but they do get rolled in and confused with the Rugaru from Francophone Canada, which is a corruption of the French Loupe Garou from the tribes previously under French administration.

I am kind of leaning to it being some kind of baboon. There was an extinct giant baboon that had lived in the far east around the same time that Gigantopithicus had lived. So if bigfoot was a descendent of Giganto could the dogmen be a relative of this extinct baboon? Why I say this is baboons are very dog like in appearances with the long muzzle and tail but they have human like hands. The extinct giant baboons were about as large and heavy as female gorillas, weighing up to 140 pounds, about twice as large as present-day baboons.

Do you know the species or genus name of that baboon?

Direwolves seem to be the right size too. I doubt it; just noting it.

I've said the same in the past as well. The subject of the Gable film looks like a baboon to me.

That is as plausible a theory as any. It makes more sense, to me anyway, than the traditional "werewolf" theory.
To me the whole werewolf scenario requires you to cross over into "supernatural", which is a whole other realm of discussion.

I agree that the idea of werewolves or shapeshifters of any kind are not very plausible but have recently heard of reports by law enforcement personnel from the southwest of run-INS with supposed "skinwalkers" that are very strange. As far as it being a baboon, well, anything is possible. I don't necessarily believe the subject of the Gable film is a baboon, for reasons I won't go into in this post, but I haven't been able to rule it out for sure. Too many questions yet with that film. I think that the most PLAUSIBLE theory yet is the idea of a wolf species that adapted to walk on its hind legs for extended periods of time. However, there really isn't any proof that these things exist anyway. Flashman, I only stated the Wendigo as a name for it as I've heard it stated to me. Actually, I've done zero research on the Wendigo itself. Can you fill me in alittle or shoot me some links via pm? I'd appreciate it. One last thing, I mentioned footprints being cast; well the only ones I've found were 'cast' with expanding foam and are definitely not primate. More like canine than anything. Michigan-dogman.com is where I found them.

There was a "Monsterquest" program about this eerie creature. Some kids saw them near a river, and got really scared. They were tested with a lie-detector, and they stated, that it was not Sasquatch but some kind of wolfman, with tail and snout. Really scary. Are they biological, undiscovered creatures, or paranormal? Nobody knows.
Greetings.
K. Adam.

Gut feeling is that if they do exist, just another undiscovered biological creature. Nothing supernatural about it.

I am referring to the giant baboon, Theropithecus oswaldi. It was supposed to have been the size of a gorilla.

A picture of Theropithecus oswaldi appears on this link:

http://blogs.scienceforums.net/evoanthro/2...thecus-oswaldi/

If it was possible that an extinct animal or it's descendants could exist into modern times in Wisconsin and Michigan, with little or no interaction with modern man I'd vote Amphicyon. It was related to both bears and dogs but being neither a dog nor bear. Artists renditions range from what looks like a wolf with a bears body to a very muscular, almost as if it was on steroids type wolf body. The renditions are do different they don't even look like the same animal.

Here's a couple of renditions I found online.

The first shows the rendition which gives it the bulky body of a bear, with elongated jaw and long tail, unlike modern bears.

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Article regarding above picture

The second rendition makes it look much more like a wolf, but with a much more muscular body and short hair.

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This site also had a picture of a fossilized jawbone from an amphicyon.

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Above from this website

The most recent sighting that many heard about was in SE Wisconsin by the man who was out picking up roadkill and had something try to crawl into the back of his pickup where a deer carcass lay. His description was it looked like a bear's body but had the head of a wolf. Whatever it was did get the carcass as the worker sped away in a panic.

I still like that report. He unequivocally refused to believe that it was a bear. Purely my opinion, but waiting to go for the carcass after it had been loaded, rather than simply scaring or challenging off the human, seems much more a canine thing to do, than an ursine thing to do.

The baboon theory is interesting, but does their type of movement really fit with dogman sightings and encounters?

Being that the sightings all point to a creature that will walk of fours then stand up on two legs and walk away, having a doglike snout and ears and a tail with human like hands. Baboons can get fairly large. They can be aggressive. They also can survive in a temperate climate. To me it seems to be pointing to it being baboon like in nature. There were alot of circus's that would have traverse this area in the past so a baboon could have escaped and survived in small pockets.

If you compare a picture of a baboon with the dogman they look similar. Same beady little eyes. Same long snout.

Interesting....the photo helps with the comparison. The snout could certainly look very dog like. One question, do the ears of the baboon stick up in the same way as a dog's? The dog ears seem to be one of the consistent things noted in sightings.

In the spirit of Dogman(men), here are a few tales for you. I have no idea if they are true or not, but they are entertaining. There are some obvious holes in some of them to my way of thinking, but they do fit in with the Dogman in general. They have also been discussed on this board in other threads as well in the past.


http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JAN-LBL.html

http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JAN-Creature.html

http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JAN-Forest.html

http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JAN-Beast.html

http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/...omTheWoods.html



A more BF related story:

http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JAN-Fog.html




Finally, the main page for all of this (more interesting stories of a ghostly nature):



http://www.guardiantales.freewebspace.com/JANSTALES.html



Enjoy!!!

If you look at the ears in this picture they do stand up and they do look dog-like. Also the stance on all fours do look like a dog. Large males can be almost 5 feet in lenghth and weigh 120 pounds. They also can be vicious. So that is a nice size animal. That makes me to believe it is maybe a feral baboon.

Thanks for posting the additional pics. It's certainly an interesting theory and the baboon does seem to fit a lot of the aspects of dogmen sightings.

From what I hear, they are completely different species...Most people agree that Bigfoot is an ape...The Dogman creatures are distinctively canine.

Actually, 'cipote10', the world of BFery seems split between opposing positions; either Squatchy is pongid (ape) or hominid (of the genus Homo). As the subject of Squatchy's possible articulated language capability becomes more widely debated these days, more and more folks are considering the hominid position as more probable and it seems more and more may be abandoning the possible Gigantopithecus Blacki connection.

If you follow some of the more 'progressive' west coast researchers you will find they suggest three possible BF types: The 'Ancients', who do not generally have a sagital crest and who look the most human of the three; the sagittal crested heads who look more like apes than men; and the dog-faced Sasquatch which look like the crested head BF in all respects other than having elongated snouts, like dogs or wolves.

The loup garou, croq mitaine, wolfman, etc., is said by many not to be related to what we commonly refer to as Bigfoot. As pointed out, their legs are canid, not hominid. And while they can 4x4 they are said to be equally comfortable in bipedal mode.

As if one simple Squatchy wasn't enough to have to figure out!
Dudlow

I never knew that Croquemitaine was related to the Dogman. To me, Croquemitaine is the evil Bonhomme Sept Heures in nursery rhymes (i.e. a french version of the Bogeyman).

Dogman......... Well, if there is such a thing as a "Dogman" (werewolf) and obviously something has left those big PAW prints (as stated in post #5 by Great Ape), would it take a SILVER bullet to put it down or will a Nosler bullet do just fine?????

I'm sure your normal ammunition could do the job. Silver bullets are just part of the idea of magic that surrounds the idea of a "werewolf". So, don't melt down any heirloom jewelry! Lol.

OK .... Great Ape. I am game if you are too. Perhaps we should recruit 2 other macho man from this site to go with us and go hunt the "Dogmen". We could form a group and hunt this thing ..... day and night. Are you game???

Who is willing to go????? I feel better about hunting a Werewolf than a Sasquatch even both can be deadly. We seek those who have a strong will and are willing to go on a trip of a lifetime ???????

Whoa. I said YOUR normal ammunition would do. lol. Me? I'll take a RPG and a .50 cal! Better yet, if someone could just get a clear photo for starters.....

Thanks for posting these links my man. I've read them several times already, but I always enjoy reading them again. I love that website.
The 'LBL' or Land Between The Lakes in KY is mentioned several times, and is known for it's high strangeness. Bart (Artslave) a friend of mine who some of you might know, lived in this area for many, many yrs, and told me of many strange going ons. Some of which he was a part of. KY Bigfoot.com is his site http://www.kentuckybigfoot.com/

As far as the Gable Film, it certainly resembles a Baboon to me, but who the heck knows for sure. I'd sure like to know the truth though.

My pleasure Sir, you are welcome! Sometimes they are fun to read, even if they are not true.