Full Version: The Michigan Recording Project
The 'smoking gun' is that the landowners name is a matter of public record, and has been for years.
QUOTE(southernyahoo @ Nov 10 2009, 09:21 AM) 
I went and looked at the article, it seems to support the fact there is a wilderness area near the reported incident, mentioning a rise in black bear population, bobcats and even cougar sightings. This is in stark contrast to the insinuated cow pasture the MRP supposedly researches in. So, does the article simply provide documentation that there is habitat, a healthy population of wildlife, and a history of reported BF activity in the area of that incident or, would this point conclusively to an outright ongoing hoax?
I think it is understood, that they correctly identified the wildness of the area, does anyone still contest that their camp borders on a Wild area? I thought that was resolved.
My question is, how did the newspaper find out about it?
QUOTE(Exeplis @ Nov 10 2009, 12:31 PM)
I would've linked to it Paul, but I was concerned that it might've been a ban-worthy offense.
I understand the concern - Us moderators are in some disagreement about whether we shoudl allow a link to this article wherever it is, and we naturally need to talk this over. Until them, I'm suspending the thread - expect it to re-open later today.
The article in it's entirety, complete with typos, and with the land owner's name and the location removed. This shouldn't be a problem for anyone unless they are just here to stir up trouble.
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Monday June 10th from 7 am to 8 pm
Bigfoot Sighting Spooks ***** Teens
Something lurks in the woods east of ***** in *************. Some say it is man, some say it is beast, and some say it is a strange combination of both commonly known as Bigfoot.
Whatever it is (or was) completely frightened a group of ****** teenagers two weeks ago as they gathered around a large bonfire near the ******* residence before graduation weekend.
The ******** live across the road from *********** and on the southern edge of a large expanse of uninhabited state land.
About 20 teenage boys were visiting around the fire at 1:30 a.m. ********** (age 15) wandered away from the group for a while only to come nearly face to face with what he described as a large creature.
The other boys made fun of ******* as he came scurrying back to the safety of the campfire, but the encounter was just beginning. The creature apparently followed ******* back to the area of the fire pit.
By the time the ordeal was over nearly everyone around the fire had seen or heard the strange creature who made a sharp blowing noise somewhat like a snorting deer. They were finally able to fix a light on it as it ran across the field to escape.
“They woke me up with all yelling and commotion and I went out there to see what was going on,” said *******. “I’m still quite skeptical about what they actually saw, but I know they think they saw something because they were all pretty scared. A couple of the younger kids rode their bikes over to the fire that night and they wouldn’t go home until their parents came and picked them up.”
A large portion of ************** is state land attached to an even larger stretch of jackpine wilderness that runs to ****** and even as far as ******** and the *********.
This isn’t the first time that Bigfoot has been accused on (sic) making an appearance in this area. It is also an area in which the black bear population has been exploding in recent years. Bobcats are seen regularly and even a few cougar sightings have floated in over the years.
The day after the campfire, some of the teenagers returned and found scattered pieces of evidence. They took photos of one footprint that measured 15” across and collected some hair samples. Both have been turned over to the DNR.
“I don’t what these kids saw, but it certainly scared them,” said *******. “If this was a prank, they certainly did a good job and they must have known where all the barbwire was to run across the field at night.”
Bigfoot Sighting Spooks ***** Teens
Something lurks in the woods east of ***** in *************. Some say it is man, some say it is beast, and some say it is a strange combination of both commonly known as Bigfoot.
Whatever it is (or was) completely frightened a group of ****** teenagers two weeks ago as they gathered around a large bonfire near the ******* residence before graduation weekend.
The ******** live across the road from *********** and on the southern edge of a large expanse of uninhabited state land.
About 20 teenage boys were visiting around the fire at 1:30 a.m. ********** (age 15) wandered away from the group for a while only to come nearly face to face with what he described as a large creature.
The other boys made fun of ******* as he came scurrying back to the safety of the campfire, but the encounter was just beginning. The creature apparently followed ******* back to the area of the fire pit.
By the time the ordeal was over nearly everyone around the fire had seen or heard the strange creature who made a sharp blowing noise somewhat like a snorting deer. They were finally able to fix a light on it as it ran across the field to escape.
“They woke me up with all yelling and commotion and I went out there to see what was going on,” said *******. “I’m still quite skeptical about what they actually saw, but I know they think they saw something because they were all pretty scared. A couple of the younger kids rode their bikes over to the fire that night and they wouldn’t go home until their parents came and picked them up.”
A large portion of ************** is state land attached to an even larger stretch of jackpine wilderness that runs to ****** and even as far as ******** and the *********.
This isn’t the first time that Bigfoot has been accused on (sic) making an appearance in this area. It is also an area in which the black bear population has been exploding in recent years. Bobcats are seen regularly and even a few cougar sightings have floated in over the years.
The day after the campfire, some of the teenagers returned and found scattered pieces of evidence. They took photos of one footprint that measured 15” across and collected some hair samples. Both have been turned over to the DNR.
“I don’t what these kids saw, but it certainly scared them,” said *******. “If this was a prank, they certainly did a good job and they must have known where all the barbwire was to run across the field at night.”
Great solution - well done
For the record, for those who have for several days complained about the landowner and family having given up their rights to privacy due to the newspaper article coming out in 2002: The writer of the article, at the time the interview was granted, was only given the interview on the condition that his, the kids, the families involved, and the location would NOT be released. As you can see, they failed at honoring that condition.
Secondly, it was EXACTLY for that reason that the family's privacy was breeched, the kids were harassed, the family received nasty phone calls all hours of the day, and objects were thrown in their yard at night, that the land owner required the NDA. They DID NOT want a repeat of what had happened to them before. Could you NOT figure that out? It was and really IS that simple. Your conclusion that they gave up that 'right' is completely disingenuous.
Secondly, it was EXACTLY for that reason that the family's privacy was breeched, the kids were harassed, the family received nasty phone calls all hours of the day, and objects were thrown in their yard at night, that the land owner required the NDA. They DID NOT want a repeat of what had happened to them before. Could you NOT figure that out? It was and really IS that simple. Your conclusion that they gave up that 'right' is completely disingenuous.
Nicely done. I still see no reason why this indicates any sort of hoaxing occured then or in recent years associated with MRP. I must be missing something. Looks like additional, uncorroborated evidence of activity in that area. Why the silly nonsense with Carolina_Dog and his posting on JREF?
It's just an attempt to justify releasing the name and address of the landowner?
Really....??
It's just an attempt to justify releasing the name and address of the landowner?
Really....??
To answer Drews question on who let the paper know who it was I would gather to say the LO 
I think that you all are doing a great job of keeping this alive because these sounds are intresting enough to study and should be kept so that they could be compared to other sounds around the country .It would be great to see if the sounds could be matched in some way like they do with sonar in submarines. You know have a file going to see if they are the same creatures or a different group just a thought or two cents that should be put out there that science might be able to use to identify.
I think that you all are doing a great job of keeping this alive because these sounds are intresting enough to study and should be kept so that they could be compared to other sounds around the country .It would be great to see if the sounds could be matched in some way like they do with sonar in submarines. You know have a file going to see if they are the same creatures or a different group just a thought or two cents that should be put out there that science might be able to use to identify.
I figured that when I heard about the article, I thought "ah, then the NDA was because of the 3 ring circus last time/"
QUOTE(julio12 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:28 PM)
To answer Drews question on who let the paper know who it was I would gather to say the LO
If these people live in a small town or community, it's probably much like the small towns around here. Everybody knows most everything that goes on. Since there were 20+ people involved with the campfire incident, there's no telling who let the paper know what had happened.
Have you EVER known teenagers to keep their mouths shut? 
lol
And you would be absolutely correct.
lolQUOTE(Flashman @ Nov 10 2009, 03:28 PM)
I figured that when I heard about the article, I thought "ah, then the NDA was because of the 3 ring circus last time/"
And you would be absolutely correct.
So, now that we have this old newspaper article out of the way, and established that alleged activity in this area pre-dates the MRP involvement in the area, perhaps we could get back to discussing the recordings?
I think that one member of the MRP group had made contact with the landowner prior to the article, but the research that was shared here did not begin until 2003 or 2004, which is, as Paul stated, after the article. Most of the members, save the one, did not become involved until after the article.
Just to clarify.
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Just to clarify.
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See? That just goes to show how little I know! LOL
I'm impressed with the recordings. Sorry don't have more to add, but I'd love to hear people that know more about it talk about it.
Tim B.
Tim B.
I agree Tim, I think they are very interesting and compelling recordings.
No doubt ^^^. I'm still blown away by the recordings. I have their page bookmarked and listen to them often. They get my mind moving in all directions about how BF goes about it's business, which is pretty cool.
Interesting that the article mentions the sounds of blowing, like a deer, we have a thread about such sounds here
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=28102
It was mentioned that the hissing sounds in the MRP recordings were similar to this, though I don't think they are quite the same.
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=28102
It was mentioned that the hissing sounds in the MRP recordings were similar to this, though I don't think they are quite the same.
I don't know if it will make a difference to anyone, but one small point in the old newspaper report that is lost by blacking out the names is that the 15 year old that wondered away from the campfire and had the encounter was the son of the landowner.
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Nov 10 2009, 04:22 PM)
No doubt ^^^. I'm still blown away by the recordings. I have their page bookmarked and listen to them often. They get my mind moving in all directions about how BF goes about it's business, which is pretty cool.
Where was it determined that the recordings were bigfoot? Did I miss something?
QUOTE(Drew @ Nov 10 2009, 08:48 AM)
I think it is understood, that they correctly identified the wildness of the area, does anyone still contest that their camp borders on a Wild area? I thought that was resolved.
My question is, how did the newspaper find out about it?
My question is, how did the newspaper find out about it?
I guess it depends on who you listen to, and how they want to spin it.
I could post an investigated sighting location that is just 11.82 miles from AHFD, that pails miserably in comparison to the MRP site, yet is deemed quite credible by AH.
QUOTE(Pywacket @ Nov 10 2009, 06:00 PM)
Where was it determined that the recordings were bigfoot? Did I miss something?
Nobody has yet officially claimed these to be bigfoot recordings, merely interesting sounds they captured in the field. Until the sounds are questioned and then the sounds become "the best recordings of bigfoot I've ever heard." All I hear is twigs snapping, someone banging on a tree and somebody (possibly a drunken yokel) yelling and carrying on. In all fairness though, its like having an audio tape of a UFO sighting- "Notice how you can't hear it!! It was totally silent as it flew over!" In truth, the whole thing is not worth the forum-wars that its created.
So it would seem that this article is last damning straw of evidence to justify the near speaking in tongues, dance of death histrionics generated by a Halloween mix tape and a scarecrow outfit? This is it? An article that supports the case for a large expanse of divergent wildlife and previous sightings of non-scarecrow like carbon-based life forms?
I still believe that MRP vocals have lots of potential for study and analysis…someone has stated here previously that no two are identical, which seems to pretty much kill the accusation of one loop, let alone loop”ing”…let’s do more of that kind of study rather than fixating on a hoax theory that has less actual evidence than the “annihilate all hoaxes from the planet before I implode from righteous indignation” crowd usually demand when the shoe is on the other foot. gerry
I still believe that MRP vocals have lots of potential for study and analysis…someone has stated here previously that no two are identical, which seems to pretty much kill the accusation of one loop, let alone loop”ing”…let’s do more of that kind of study rather than fixating on a hoax theory that has less actual evidence than the “annihilate all hoaxes from the planet before I implode from righteous indignation” crowd usually demand when the shoe is on the other foot. gerry
QUOTE(Pywacket @ Nov 10 2009, 06:00 PM)
Where was it determined that the recordings were bigfoot? Did I miss something?
In my mind. Was I suppose to name another location?
Sweeeeet, you mean nobody said it was bigfoot yet? My discovery, I thought of it first..... woohoo.............Sorry
Well, actually folks in the MRP have said that they believe the vocalizations and other noises were created by bigfoot. So you weren't the first.
The proof of bigfoot hasn't been established. I didn't say "established yet", because I don't think it will happen.
Unless the MRP group is withholding some of their recordings from public scrutiny, there are sounds missing from the recordings that lead me to believe the sounds that they have released so far are not bigfoot.
The proof of bigfoot hasn't been established. I didn't say "established yet", because I don't think it will happen.
Unless the MRP group is withholding some of their recordings from public scrutiny, there are sounds missing from the recordings that lead me to believe the sounds that they have released so far are not bigfoot.
QUOTE(Pywacket @ Nov 11 2009, 08:34 PM)
there are sounds missing from the recordings that lead me to believe the sounds that they have released so far are not bigfoot.
So if those sounds were present would you then be lead to believe that they are bigfoot?
Depends on the sounds. If the MRP have other sounds that they are not releasing, then those sounds may also lead me to believe, even more, that the MRP recorded human produced sounds.
Not likely I will get to know, either way.
edit: for clarity
Not likely I will get to know, either way.
edit: for clarity
......there are sounds missing from the recordings that lead me to believe the sounds that they have released so far are not bigfoot.
Do tell.......do tell?!?! What might they be?
Do tell.......do tell?!?! What might they be?
I too would be interested to know what sounds are missing from the recordings. Would it be foot steps, clicks & whistles?.....What? I see this going the same way Angie's claims did, even if someone is certain they have had an experience with these creatures, it doesn't mean they know every sound that should or should not be there in someone elses recording. How could anyone claim to know every sound a BF would make and every sound they don't without proving they atleast make some certain sounds?
QUOTE(Exeplis @ Nov 10 2009, 05:47 PM)
In truth, the whole thing is not worth the forum-wars that its created.
If you truly feel that way, then why in the name of everything holy have you continued to keep the pot stirred both here and on other forums?
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Nov 11 2009, 10:12 AM)
If you truly feel that way, then why in the name of everything holy have you continued to keep the pot stirred both here and on other forums?
"Maybe because some people really don't give a rats arse about the actual recordings."
It's turned more into a psychological tug-of-war-fest to see who can beat down who.
People planting "seeds" of "manipulation" that scream hoax, etc, etc.
It's unfortunate that human nature leans more towards the negative and creates a "feeding frenzy" of competitive B/S.
JMO, this is why there is more attention being given to the chaos than to the actual recordings.
For those screaming hoax and cover ups, fricking prove it. Other than that ................................!
Please, please tell us what the necessary key sounds that indicate authentic BF activity. Whatever they are, it should be essential for every BF researcher to know what these sounds are so we don't continue to get hoodwinked by hoaxers all the time...
Oh come on now Smiles, seriously, with all that screaming and beating on things the missing key sounds are
FARTS
FARTS
You're right. That has to be it. From all the Jack Links beef jerky they steal from mountain bikers, hikers and the like...
QUOTE(smiles22 @ Nov 11 2009, 11:10 AM)
You're right. That has to be it. From all the Jack Links beef jerky they steal from mountain bikers, hikers and the like...
Yup, gas! Now I know I have to run out to Wallyworld and pick me up a jug of Pepto Bismal to add to my baitstation.
Thanks Py for bringing up the "missing sounds" without you darlin, I'd never have thought about using the Pepto.
My pleasure! 
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Nov 10 2009, 03:34 PM)
If these people live in a small town or community, it's probably much like the small towns around here. Everybody knows most everything that goes on. Since there were 20+ people involved with the campfire incident, there's no telling who let the paper know what had happened.
Exactly, and also makes it quite clear that anonymity in the newspaper article would be a worthless condition, seeing as half the town's teenagers were hanging around the fire that night.
See that's where we think differently Drew. It doesn't matter if the newspaper editor himself was standing around the fire, if the land owner asked that his family name not be printed, then it should have been kept out of print by the reporter.
Apparently the reporter agreed to this and then printed it anyway.
It's really not a hard concept...keep your word when you tell someone that you will or won't do something. I know that's hard for those who would throw their own mother under the bus for a story or a "scoop" to understand, but IMO it just shows integrity.
Apparently the reporter agreed to this and then printed it anyway.
It's really not a hard concept...keep your word when you tell someone that you will or won't do something. I know that's hard for those who would throw their own mother under the bus for a story or a "scoop" to understand, but IMO it just shows integrity.
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Nov 12 2009, 08:37 AM)
See that's where we think differently Drew. It doesn't matter if the newspaper editor himself was standing around the fire, if the land owner asked that his family name not be printed, then it should have been kept out of print by the reporter.
Apparently the reporter agreed to this and then printed it anyway.
It's really not a hard concept...keep your word when you tell someone that you will or won't do something. I know that's hard for those who would throw their own mother under the bus for a story or a "scoop" to understand, but IMO it just shows integrity.
Apparently the reporter agreed to this and then printed it anyway.
It's really not a hard concept...keep your word when you tell someone that you will or won't do something. I know that's hard for those who would throw their own mother under the bus for a story or a "scoop" to understand, but IMO it just shows integrity.
Spot on Jaylee..
If only the rest of the World thought like that, then the World would be a better place, for sure..
JMO but it's extremely foolish to say anything to the media and expect anonymity. Just remove that option by not talking.
QUOTE(masterbarber @ Nov 12 2009, 08:47 AM)
JMO but it's extremely foolish to say anything to the media and expect anonymity. Just remove that option by not talking.
True MB, but that still doesn't make it right...
QUOTE(Bobby Orangeboom @ Nov 12 2009, 08:51 AM)
True MB, but that still doesn't make it right...
Bob, We are talking about the media and I would venture to say, at least in my observations, that integrity and responsible reporting take a back seat to "The Story".
QUOTE(Painthorse @ Nov 11 2009, 09:45 AM)
"Maybe because some people really don't give a rats arse about the actual recordings."
It's turned more into a psychological tug-of-war-fest to see who can beat down who.
People planting "seeds" of "manipulation" that scream hoax, etc, etc.
It's unfortunate that human nature leans more towards the negative and creates a "feeding frenzy" of competitive B/S.
JMO, this is why there is more attention being given to the chaos than to the actual recordings.
For those screaming hoax and cover ups, fricking prove it. Other than that ................................!
It's turned more into a psychological tug-of-war-fest to see who can beat down who.
People planting "seeds" of "manipulation" that scream hoax, etc, etc.
It's unfortunate that human nature leans more towards the negative and creates a "feeding frenzy" of competitive B/S.
JMO, this is why there is more attention being given to the chaos than to the actual recordings.
For those screaming hoax and cover ups, fricking prove it. Other than that ................................!
You're on to something Painthorse...haven't we discussed bully's in other threads? If member's are just stirring the pot maybe they should be shut down.
Maybe the editor can clear this up.
Although I'm thinking that a conversation with a newspaper would go something like this.
No, there is no way, that a newspaper would give anonymity, not on a news story, unless the FEDS said it would endanger Americans overseas or something like that.
Although I'm thinking that a conversation with a newspaper would go something like this.
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Editor: ***** press hello
Mr. X: Hi, I had like a bigfoot sighting at my house last night.
Editor: Oh, Mr. X, we've had several calls already, Mrs. Scoop will be out at your place in an hour.
Mr. X: Umm, I'd like anonymity on this.
Editor: Mr. X, we've had 3 calls today, Identifying you as the landowner, you can't expect us to leave your name out of a story, we won't even send someone out there, we'll just interview the witnesses.
Mr. X: Hi, I had like a bigfoot sighting at my house last night.
Editor: Oh, Mr. X, we've had several calls already, Mrs. Scoop will be out at your place in an hour.
Mr. X: Umm, I'd like anonymity on this.
Editor: Mr. X, we've had 3 calls today, Identifying you as the landowner, you can't expect us to leave your name out of a story, we won't even send someone out there, we'll just interview the witnesses.
No, there is no way, that a newspaper would give anonymity, not on a news story, unless the FEDS said it would endanger Americans overseas or something like that.
QUOTE(masterbarber @ Nov 12 2009, 08:59 AM)
Bob, We are talking about the media and I would venture to say, at least in my observations, that integrity and responsible reporting take a back seat to "The Story".
Yep, sadly you're right...
QUOTE(lookinginmichigan @ Nov 12 2009, 10:08 AM)
You're on to something Painthorse...haven't we discussed bully's in other threads? If member's are just stirring the pot maybe they should be shut down.
That's very true Lookinginmichigan, it's just blatant bullying. The thread still isn't focusing on the sounds, just the b/s that keeps it from staying on course.
On a side note, BIG WHOOPIE about the original article, it proves nothing about any hoaxing being active on that site, for the ones screaming hoax - PROVE IT instead of flapping your lips in the breeze.
"That article is several years old, things in small communities have a tendency to fade out, not totally forgotten but less memorable until something is brought up about it."
NOW, take into consideration that "possibly" the MRP team did not openly divulge the "old article" because they didn't want to stir up the bad experiences for the P/O and the family again. I believe that would be considered common courtesy and common sense.
Again, your correct LIM, it all comes down to bullying and "leading people on to believe what they want others to believe". The ones who lean towards negativity will always feed off of it instead of looking at things in a more rational world of seeing both sides.
A good example would be like me saying " I've got some trash on someone from Dec of 05 through Feb of 06" E-mails that would make a persons so-called credibility look like something I just dumped from my cats litter box."
Now, am I leading people on to believe I have the goods on someone? Got your attention? It's obviously negative stuff.
Or would more people be interested in someone telling about the wonderful day they had out exploring in the woods?
My guess would be
BTW, Py, I still want to know what those crucial sounds are that are missing from the sound files. JMO, that's another coy attempt at leading people to believe that there's something "not there" "that should be".
Well, do tell.............waiting...........crickets...........chirp..........chirp......
.or does that = more B/S manipulation?
Had the MRP folks NOT offered a drawing (map) of the specific area of their research, would it still have been compromised by others eventually? I'm just wondering if since there was an article with the LO's name, etc, the area and other specifics would have been leaked anyway.
I, personally doubt they expected the drawn map to be dissected with the sole intent of outing the location, and I'm sure if they could have a do over, they'd omit it as part of their shared information.
It seems a bit of a stretch to imagine a person or persons hoaxing the MRP group for that many years. My gut also tells me that they are probably sitting on some evidence that they are reluctant to share yet, but that would put the "hoaxing" conspiracy to rest. Meanwhile, if they DO have this sort of evidence, I'm sure they are getting a nice chuckle from all of the cloak and dagger discussion. This is simply my opinion.
Meanwhile, I was on YouTube last nite, and heard an alleged BF sound that was strikingly similar to the high pitched wail on the MRP site. I refer to the one that sounds like an adolescent voice. If I can find the clip again, I'll link to it.
I, personally doubt they expected the drawn map to be dissected with the sole intent of outing the location, and I'm sure if they could have a do over, they'd omit it as part of their shared information.
It seems a bit of a stretch to imagine a person or persons hoaxing the MRP group for that many years. My gut also tells me that they are probably sitting on some evidence that they are reluctant to share yet, but that would put the "hoaxing" conspiracy to rest. Meanwhile, if they DO have this sort of evidence, I'm sure they are getting a nice chuckle from all of the cloak and dagger discussion. This is simply my opinion.
Meanwhile, I was on YouTube last nite, and heard an alleged BF sound that was strikingly similar to the high pitched wail on the MRP site. I refer to the one that sounds like an adolescent voice. If I can find the clip again, I'll link to it.
Would really like to hear that clip PattyWagon!
Personally, I see no connection whatsoever between this article and any accusations of the team being involved in a hoax. I can put together a very nice chronology in my head that starts with this event (from the article) and ends up with the MRP. While I agree that it's silly to expect anonymity from the media, I still see the value and integrity of this group trying to maintain it for the landowner.
And the article does nothing to prove or disprove any hoaxing activity.
And the article does nothing to prove or disprove any hoaxing activity.
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