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Prehistoric Fisherman
QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 7 2009, 08:12 PM) *
If it's a community hoax it can go on for years as the torch is handed from the masters to the students.


CD,

I understand where you are coming from. For example, right where my fuzzy rear is sitting now, in Maryland, the BF hoax has been going on since at least the 1600s when Captain John Smith showed up. It broke into being a multimedia hoax in 1666 when the first drawing of a local BF type creature appeared on a map of the area. North America has a very long tradition of BF hoaxes, they have been going on continuously for hundreds of years and nary a hoaxer has failed to take the secret to his/her grave. Somedays I think its a growing problem and something needs to be done about it. Its a form of child abuse to take an innocent, honest child and turn them into a manical, obsessive hoaxer. There ought to be a law, IMHO.

PF
masterbarber
QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 7 2009, 10:49 PM) *
Regarding the part I bolded. That is not how a hoaxer's sense of humor works. The fun part is pulling a gag on the marks.
Take a look at what Ray Wallace did. He didn't want the public in general to find out because then his fun would have been over. Sure he told a few people but for the most part he took his hoax to his grave.


I think that's only half of the fun. The rest of it is sharing what you did with others because most pranksters, not unlike criminals or anyone else, have a bit of an ego which naturally get's the best of them/us. We (humans) like to share our "accomplishments", no matter how perverse or twisted.
How do we know who Ray Wallace told?


ETA: Thanks RRS
JayleeD
QUOTE(Exeplis @ Nov 7 2009, 12:42 AM) *
The only difference is the people behind those examples weren't friendly with the mods on this forum. If you don't want peoples opinions of the sound recordings you shouldn't have asked us what we thought. If this forum really wanted to investigate evidence presented to it, then whether or not its from friend or foe the evidence should be looked at as skeptically and as thoroughly as possible unless you want to become another group on par with the 'that's no bear that's clearly bigfoot because our leader said so" society.


That's the last post you will make bashing the staff of this forum. If that's the way you really feel, then there's no need for you to keep posting here where us mods are so biased and unfair.

Understand?
FanofSquatch
The human error element seems to be overlooked in the hoax theory. Unless said hoaxing was carried out by a strictly diceplined individual, and I am guessing most who would perpetrate a Bigfoot related hoax posses a certian yahooish quality, they would screw up. Given the length of the MRP the odds are good that the hoaxer would slip up. Ofcourse they could have and been edited out for the public review but that would not make sense for them to continue this project in the first place. Hoaxers hoax for recognition and maybe some personal satisfaction but to what end so they can quietly snicker on their death bed? It just dont add up for me, it is a possibility but I think the recordings speak for themselves.
Teresa
Anyone who thinks the BFF is being biased and unfair, should really take a look at the negativity in some of the posts in this thread. Would we allow the sort of beating the MRP folks are getting if we were truly biased and in cahoots with them? The Chief Administrator opened this thread to allow this discussion. We've been very light on the moderation in this thread and have only asked members not to out the LO's name and not to copy this thread or its posts to another forum in the interest of preventing a cross forum flame war. If we were really in cahoots with the Michigan Recording Project would we allow these posts questioning LO hoaxing and/or MRP hoaxing and the other accusatory posts to go on? Seriously? No, I don't want an answer to that question because Jaylee has stated the above to Exeplis and I think it should be broadened to include anyone beating down the mods on this forum. Moderation here at the BFF is not the topic of this thread and anyone who has a problem should go to the Administrative section to post complaints, and while I'm giving my two cents, posting here is not a right, it's a privilege. Use it wisely.

It'd be nice if folks wouldn't come to this forum and beat down the moderating staff. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, folks.

Back to the topic.
Paul1968UK
Anyone who was able to read my inbox would see just how much I am *not* in cahoots with the MRP guys right now icon_bang.gif
Determined outdoorsman
QUOTE(Teresa @ Nov 8 2009, 01:51 PM) *
Anyone who thinks the BFF is being biased and unfair, should really take a look at the negativity in some of the posts in this thread. Would we allow the sort of beating the MRP folks are getting if we were truly biased and in cahoots with them? The Chief Administrator opened this thread to allow this discussion. We've been very light on the moderation in this thread and have only asked members not to out the LO's name and not to copy this thread or its posts to another forum in the interest of preventing a cross forum flame war. If we were really in cahoots with the Michigan Recording Project would we allow these posts questioning LO hoaxing and/or MRP hoaxing and the other accusatory posts to go on?


Being one of the chief offenders here in this particular thread of toeing the line, so to speak, with the moderators of this forum on this particular thread, I feel obligated (out of common decency) to acknowledge the following:

While I have been critical of the moderating staff here pertaining the guidelines attached to the re-opening of this thread, I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge that after reading all of the posts in this thread since it was re-opened, I have to say that the moderators here have been extremely tolerant of the opinions they have allowed posters/members (myself included) to express here, even when they were less than flattering.

My hat is off to all the moderators here for allowing this thread to go on.
Paul1968UK
Thanks.

The rules laid down in this thread were hard, but for a reason. Unfortunately, some took these rules as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at the moderators - some even suggested that I was telling them how to run their own forums, which is a bizzare distortion of what I said at the start of this thread.

The only purpose for the rules was to keep things civil and to stop any arguments flowing over to JREF again with disasterous consequences and to stop the landowner's name from being posted again - if people wanted to read more into that, then there is nothing I can do to stop them except recommend a good counselor.
RedRatSnake
Hi

Thanks ~ Determined outdoorsman

It ain't easy being Blue sometimes

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif
Determined outdoorsman
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Nov 8 2009, 03:41 PM) *
Thanks.

The rules laid down in this thread were hard, but for a reason. Unfortunately, some took these rules as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at the moderators - some even suggested that I was telling them how to run their own forums, which is a bizzare distortion of what I said at the start of this thread.

The only purpose for the rules was to keep things civil and to stop any arguments flowing over to JREF again with disasterous consequences and to stop the landowner's name from being posted again - if people wanted to read more into that, then there is nothing I can do to stop them except recommend a good counselor.


QUOTE
Hi

Thanks ~ Determined outdoorsman

It ain't easy being Blue sometimes

Peace
Tim


I feel that I owed the staff here at least that much.

Again, great job ladies & gentlemen.
julio12
Redretsnake
I do not mean to say that the MRP group was hoaxing if thats what you felt i thought i said because that is not where i stand on the issue with these sounds.I still believe that the sounds that the group has posted is the real deal with knowledge of what made those sounds.Now whether hoaxing was done them makes it a total different issue and should be dealt with and brought out into the open by the group memembers themselves But i truely do not believe that they have been hoaxed or that they themselves perpertrated a hoax .There is just no way ,The sounds are there to be studied hopefully other sounds similar to those will come out from other parts of the country.

Carolina_Dog
QUOTE(julio12 @ Nov 7 2009, 10:59 PM) *
Carolina_Dog
So the people that have seen these creatures in Michigan are Liars or are hullucinating or making it up.Everyone who have seen these creatures here i michigan have all come together in this great big lie that bigfoot exist here in some way or form. I by into the hoaxing once it has been proven to be a hoax and yes if there was hoaxing that should be said but that should not effect the out come of what people are seeing here in Michigan and Hearing.

What if it was not a hoax and the sounds are real from something that we still do not have no confirmation on.How would we all be thinking then and know.As it stands people seem to be split on willing to except these sounds from Michigan and thats natural for us s humans to think this way scratchhead.gif I mean i do not know But the sounds are there and i know they are real.These creatures are real and sure there is going to be hoaxing but for the people including me who have seen them ,There is just no dyning thier exstance and the sounds that they make.

Sorry Carolina_Dog I just cannot except the hoaxing idea onless they came out and explained it what it is that they have found as far as evidence goes .

I don't know anything about the sounds because I haven't listened to them and wouldn't know what they are if I did listen to them.
I'm just offering some insight into the mind of a hoaxer. My pals and I pulled a few non-bigfoot pranks in our younger days. None of us had any interest in seeing the outcome of the hoaxes or taking credit for them. We'd just do our thing then laugh about what we thought the outcome would be.
Hoaxers are an extremely tight group and I can say with confidence that most of them don't want anyone outside of their group to know what they are up to.
RedRatSnake
QUOTE(julio12 @ Nov 8 2009, 07:06 PM) *
Redretsnake
I do not mean to say that the MRP group was hoaxing if thats what you felt


Hi

Never thought that for a second ~ I was just trying to convey that CD was not accusing anyone he was just bringing up some thoughts ~ thumbup.gif

Peace
Tim smile.gif
Prehistoric Fisherman
Sigh. Couldn't anyone spare the time with all this hugging and kissing amongst sworn enemies to compliment me on the sarcasm of my last post? headbang.gif

Oh... all right... smooch on! thumbup.gif
Drew
QUOTE(Drew @ Nov 6 2009, 11:20 PM) *
I was just asking NW if there was any chance someone got a hold of his MIXTAPE.

The mixtape has Mumbles on it, the MRP recordings have Mumbles on it.

The mixtape has howls on it, the MRP recording have howls on it.

The mixtape has screeches on it, the MRP recording has screeches on it.

Nightwing produced the mixtape, Nightwing edited the MRP recordings.

Since the mixtape would not jeopardize the owners identity, perhaps it should be made available to compare the sounds to the MRP recordings.


I am not saying NIGHTWING would ever try and hoax anyone. I take him for his word, he told me if he ever found anything pointing to a hoax that I would be the first to know.

I am simply saying that his mixtape and the MRP sounds should be compared, especially if there is any chance that someone got a hold of the tape and gave it to the hoaxer.

I mean listen to this description. Going by this, I would describe some of the MRP sounds the same way:

QUOTE( Nightwing referencing his mix tape used at the 2004 outing )
As to mixed sounds, the best ones were "classic" alleged sasquatch sounds(again, snohomish), overlayed with gibbon whistles and shrieks, or greatly altered barred owl calls. I also "stacked" highly altered barred owl and gibbon calls, purely to create a curiosity call.(this works amazing with predator calling...thought something similar may elicit a curiosity response in our target).
I also made up a couple of "mixed" interaction type sounds, essentialy trying to duplicate a territorial battle of primates(used chimp and gibbon in this case).
"Yowie" calls, simply cleaned and slighly enhanced, were also used.
Finaly, a number of straight gibbon, chimp, and even owl calls were used, but again altered in pitch, tone, and tempo to mimic as close as possible the "classic" alleged sasquatch screams, or in some cases, just becasue the resulting sound was very "giant primate" sounding!.
ah..almost forgot..used a very clean version of the "mumble" sounds from sierra sounds, as well.
The concensus favorite sound was the "yowie" one.(although I still like my gibbon/owl derived "whoop" "whoop" sounds!!)

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=124914
Flashman
Just had a thought, if I "heard a few things" on my property, ended up talking to a BFing group, invited them onto the property, and they recorded all kinds of stuff.. then despite my own few experiences, I might wonder if, due to the volume and quality of material generated by diligent research, that they were in cloud cuckoo land and making half that crap up. So I might then do some online research, by downloading a whole whack of sound clips, to compare to what the researchers were finding, because I was checking them out... then if "caught" with said sound clips, I would "act suspiciously", due to not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings by outright calling them full of crap, which suspicion of them would be tantamount to, if they were in fact on the up and up.
Touchmymonkey
QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 7 2009, 10:49 PM) *
Regarding the part I bolded. That is not how a hoaxer's sense of humor works. The fun part is pulling a gag on the marks.
Take a look at what Ray Wallace did. He didn't want the public in general to find out because then his fun would have been over. Sure he told a few people but for the most part he took his hoax to his grave.



The "Surgeon" Nessie photo is another example. Many decades went by without a confession.

Billy Meier case is another good example.
masterbarber
QUOTE(Drew @ Nov 9 2009, 07:48 AM) *
I am not saying NIGHTWING would ever try and hoax anyone. I take him for his word, he told me if he ever found anything pointing to a hoax that I would be the first to know.

I am simply saying that his mixtape and the MRP sounds should be compared, especially if there is any chance that someone got a hold of the tape and gave it to the hoaxer.

I mean listen to this description. Going by this, I would describe some of the MRP sounds the same way:
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=124914



Dude, Seriously???

You might not be saying it, but you're certainly implying that NW wouldn't admit to recognizing sounds from his own "mix tape" and just continue some self-righteous charade? Really? WOW!

If you go back to the initial thread, Stacy clearly spells out that numerous, qualified persons have evaluated their recordings, so again we have to trust that NW, and the entire MRP for that matter, has enough integrity to dismiss any recordings that they know were on this "mix tape".

FWIW, you haven't shown anyone the evidence that this "mix tape" is involved in the MRP recordings, but you certainly have taken the scenic route to questioning this group's integrity.

wiiawiwb
QUOTE(Touchmymonkey @ Nov 9 2009, 08:56 AM) *
The "Surgeon" Nessie photo is another example. Many decades went by without a confession.

Billy Meier case is another good example.


But the surgeon Nessie case was a one-time hoax. One effort, one hoax. Those thinking this is a hoax contemplate several years and many, many nights of hoaxing.

Totally different.
Touchmymonkey
QUOTE(Teresa @ Nov 8 2009, 01:51 PM) *
Anyone who thinks the BFF is being biased and unfair, should really take a look at the negativity in some of the posts in this thread. Would we allow the sort of beating the MRP folks are getting if we were truly biased and in cahoots with them? The Chief Administrator opened this thread to allow this discussion. We've been very light on the moderation in this thread and have only asked members not to out the LO's name and not to copy this thread or its posts to another forum in the interest of preventing a cross forum flame war. If we were really in cahoots with the Michigan Recording Project would we allow these posts questioning LO hoaxing and/or MRP hoaxing and the other accusatory posts to go on? Seriously? No, I don't want an answer to that question because Jaylee has stated the above to Exeplis and I think it should be broadened to include anyone beating down the mods on this forum. Moderation here at the BFF is not the topic of this thread and anyone who has a problem should go to the Administrative section to post complaints, and while I'm giving my two cents, posting here is not a right, it's a privilege. Use it wisely.

It'd be nice if folks wouldn't come to this forum and beat down the moderating staff. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, folks.

Back to the topic.



I think many people view mods as a sort of hallway monitor. Those were rarely liked:)

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...VideoID=3276884

I view myself as a guest here, and just as I might think it's stupid to always take my shoes off in other people's houses, I still do it out of consideration if asked. Some have no smoking rules, no feet on table rules, no cussing in front of kids etc etc. All lame rules to me, but I try and follow them when I am a guest elsewhere. People might benefit from seeing it that way.

Drew
QUOTE(wiiawiwb @ Nov 9 2009, 09:09 AM) *
But the surgeon Nessie case was a one-time hoax. One effort, one hoax. Those thinking this is a hoax contemplate several years and many, many nights of hoaxing.

Totally different.


He kept the hoax alive for decades by his silence.

Silence can keep a hoax going as well as continued active efforts at hoaxing.

A hoaxer can see the result of his hoax without a 'reveal', the joy is in seeing the excitement/consternation on the faces of the targets. I would venture that whoever is pulling the hoax at the MRP site, is here, watching with great delight, and possibly even participating in these chats.

Mausinn52
Regarding those Billy Meier photo's

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page9399895.php
FanofSquatch
The surgeon Nessie was a photo a one time shot that either worked or didnt. If not oh well, but it did work and he just had to show the photo for fame or kicks. To pull off an MRP hoax it involves active participation and concistancy. It has been said before, no human can move around in the woods like that hooting and hollaring, bashing and thrashing around and not give something away.
Touchmymonkey
QUOTE(wiiawiwb @ Nov 9 2009, 09:09 AM) *
But the surgeon Nessie case was a one-time hoax. One effort, one hoax. Those thinking this is a hoax contemplate several years and many, many nights of hoaxing.

Totally different.



Then focus on the Billy Meier example I gave then. He has just 1 arm (1 and a half if you split hairs) which makes it even more unbelievable.
He does it probably for religious/political reasons though, and that probably isn't whats going on in the area in question this thread deals with. I do not know who the LO is, for all I know he's a nut job and does it cause voices tell him too. You can almost always find a reason for strange behavior. It might not make sense to you, but it doesn't matter, since the question is, does it make sense to the perpetrator. People do strange things just for fun sometime. Bungie Jumping anyone? Humans often do things that make little sense to me and you. I'm certain you can find examples for yourself. I thought the Ray Wallace example already given by someone was good. I can't recall if you had a rebuttal for that or not.

So, I will remain open to the possibility of hoaxing being done. I haven't concluded that, but the sounds aren't impressive to me, and the LO is not known to me. I don't know how credible or not he is.
Touchmymonkey
QUOTE(Mausinn52 @ Nov 9 2009, 02:09 PM) *
Regarding those Billy Meier photo's

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page9399895.php



Yeh, people at the Paratopia forum I frequent were having a laugh at that article earlier. Nussbeck is a crack pot. The case has so much proof that it's a on going hoax, it's not funny.
Touchmymonkey
QUOTE(FanofSquatch @ Nov 9 2009, 02:36 PM) *
The surgeon Nessie was a photo a one time shot that either worked or didnt. If not oh well, but it did work and he just had to show the photo for fame or kicks. To pull off an MRP hoax it involves active participation and concistancy. It has been said before, no human can move around in the woods like that hooting and hollaring, bashing and thrashing around and not give something away.



There's video showing movement?

Repeating what's been said before won't make it truer.

For all you know something was given away, you just interpret it in a way that leans you toward or away from a particular conclusion.
FanofSquatch
You are right as far as something not being disclosed and I have no clue, really no body knows much about the recordings other than what has been given. I suppose my logic may make no sense to another and the way I interpret what I hear may be interpreted differently by others. Even if someone came here and said it was me I pulled this hoax it is all fake, people would argue weather he was telling the truth or not. My only sticking point is those recordings to me may sound human at times but I don't believe a human would be capeable of making them. I just think some have gone too far away from the recordings and are no longer focused on the sounds themselves. We will never know if it was a hoax or not.
Carolina_Dog
Is it true that the landowner was named in a 2002 newspaper article about bigfoot activity on or around his property?
julio12
QUOTE
A hoaxer can see the result of his hoax without a 'reveal', the joy is in seeing the excitement/consternation on the faces of the targets. I would venture that whoever is pulling the hoax at the MRP site, is here, watching with great delight, and possibly even participating in these chats.


Drew
What makes you so sure that this was a hoax ? Heck you were only on sight for a day and that is not enough time to come to a firm conclusion that these sounds were hoaxed. Alot of things were said and explained to you and all of us. I just think that you are scraping for answers to sounds that might not be explained.I might be wrong about you and what you believe these sounds might be But i know what I saw and so do alot of other people who have seen these creatures and it sure as heck is not no imiginated ,hulicinated ,in our dream state creature that we all saw but a breathing living entity that lives within our forest leaving big tracks and other evidence that cannot be explained which also go along with sounds know as well.If we start excusing people of anything we just better have the proof ready to prove it other wise just keep things to ourselves because if hoaxing is being done it will all come out in the end no matter how many years go by,It always does .
smiles22
I think Drew is having a fantastic time with this thread. Same as the Munns PGF thread and so many others.
Touchmymonkey
QUOTE
If we start excusing people of anything we just better have the proof ready to prove it other wise just keep things to ourselves because if hoaxing is being done it will all come out in the end no matter how many years go by,It always does .


So long as there are people with a strong will to believe, no amount of proof of a hoax will convince some. The quoted statement above isn't falsifiable btw. Or at least that's how it appears to me. There are tons of unresolved cases, some of which may very well be hoaxes. I can't argue with you if you want to assert, that in 500 yrs from now all these unresolved cases will be solved. It isn't practically provable and a notion of faith.
Prehistoric Fisherman
Ok, let me see if we have this right. There might be a hoax. There might be a hoax that goes on for 5 years. There might be a hoax that uses Nightwing's own mixtape to fool him.

Gee, I guess there's no point in ever even talking about BF because there might be a hoax involved in every case. So....

I guess there's nothing to talk about here anymore. Ok Paul, I guess its time to put that closed sign up in the window.

[Yes, another wonderful example of my under appreciated sarcastic wit!] scratchhead.gif

The point is not whether there might be a hoax, there might always be a hoax. The point is whether or not the recordings seem to indicate otherwise. Because if they don't at best they are interesting, particularly if one can come up with good reasons they might not be. And if this field, usually, that's the best you can do. I have no intention, however convincing they might sound, of putting them on a shelf in a jar labeled "certified BF calls".

If the only point you have is that there might be a hoax... so lets assume there is a hoax, so lets not look too closely at the actual recordings, then we can conclude that they are a hoax, and then later use them as examples of a long-term hoax... then I think you're preaching to the wrong choir. Try the CSICOP board, they ought to be an easy sell.

The recordings are data, which might (with effort) become evidence, they will never be proof from them. I would be more inclined to take the current skeptical position seriously if they leaned forward in their armchairs, tapped at their keyboards for awhile, and using readily available primate calls (of whatever sounds they think are appropriate) fashioned something that sounds substantially like the recordings. Then, if the listeners agree that's what you seem to have done, you will have gone a long way towards convincing all of us that there is no reason to think the calls are interesting. Just be sure to fastidiously document what you did and how you did it so it can be replicated during peer review. Then you would have the SI part of the above acronym. Nightwing's mixtape is not needed unless the calls on it are "super special calls" unavailable from some other source.

Now, if Drew had kept quiet, and waited, until some howling beast had crept up and started screeching, to take his gurkha knife out and use it we might have had another DNA sample. There may have been collateral damage. You could say, "One less Skeptic, one giant leap for mankind." They would even name schools after him, for heroically dying to prove BF exists. That's the way I would prefer to go. Then we would have something really interesting to debate!

Just kidding, I'm sure he would make it out with just a flesh wound... and the hominoid blood stained gurkha knife!

But in seriousness, it would have made more sense to wait until the "hoaxing" commenced at which point attempting to surprise the hoaxers in the act would have been the more logical thing to do from a Skeptical perspective. Observing, or better yet, photographing/videoing hoaxers in the act, would have been the most effective way to turn the tables. A publicly announced prior warning would have kept them from making an appearance, or guaranteed it would be at a considerable distance. The only apparent reason for doing it is to make it less likely that an attempted hoax will take place at that time. Since I assume that the BF calls were not a guaranteed, money-back phenomena their non-appearance would prove little. Perhaps the intention really was to collect a cryptic DNA sample, and this warning was meant to spare the lives of any hoaxers who were present. Hmmmm.... poor skeptical tactics, not bad for Kamikazee Cryptozoology. Maybe they would have named schools after him...?

But at this point there doesn't seem to be evidence that there was a hoax. No one has been observed hoaxing the calls, to our knowledge. No one seems to have produced a study of the recordings themselves indicating that there is anything wrong with them. Arguing points without any evidentiary basis to believe in them is supposed to be what slack-brained Believers are said to be specialists at. If the shoe were on the other foot I'm sure this would be being pointed out.

In terms of hoaxes there are three end results: the hoaxers reveal themselves by accident or through the efforts of others, the hoaxers reveal themselves to demonstrate their own superiority and to gain notoriety, or the hoax goes unrevealed indefinitely. The final form is exceedingly rare, particularly when monetary reward or criminal prosecution is not involved. As to the typical duration of a modern, highly successful hoax, I have two words for you:

Balloon Boy.

PR
smiles22
PR - Like I said, Drew is having a great time with the thread. Lots and lots of great reactions from everyone here that is suffering from common sense! It must be just as much fun as...

someone playing a hoax on a bunch of people!!
Carolina_Dog
No one knows anything about the 2002 article?

Looks like I need to do some searching. I'll post it for you if I find it.
Exeplis
Carolina Dog, yeah I've seen the article you're talking about. Its been available for a few days now yet it hasn't been referenced here..........strange huh?
Ty
QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 9 2009, 10:57 PM) *
No one knows anything about the 2002 article?

Looks like I need to do some searching. I'll post it for you if I find it.


I'm sure you won't need to search too far as you already found and read that article on JREF earlier today even before writing this coy bullshit post below.

QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 9 2009, 04:34 PM) *
Is it true that the landowner was named in a 2002 newspaper article about bigfoot activity on or around his property?



You are GT/CS on JREF aren't you? The one who wrote over there, "Carolina Dog just asked this article on the BFF. So far nothing but crickets chirping".
Incorrigible1
QUOTE(Ty @ Nov 9 2009, 10:17 PM) *
I'm sure you won't need to search too far as you already found and read that article on JREF earlier today even before writing this coy bullshit post below.
You are GT/CS on JREF aren't you? The one who wrote over there, "Carolina Dog just asked this article on the BFF. So far nothing but crickets chirping".

If so, violation of thread rules delineated in the initial posting.

CD, please give my regards to RR. Birds of a feather.......
Spazmo
Gee whiz folks.

I read that article as well. And even though it may very well reveal the names and locations involved, there is a bigger picture to be seen here...
It's an article about Bigfoot activity at the location. In any other forum or thread, this article would be seen as supporting evidence of activity at the location.

Am I the only one who noticed this? Or is everyone so wrapped up in the whole "withholding of the names and location" hoopla that this just got overlooked?

My suggestion would be for someone to respectfully redact the pertinent information from this article and post it right here. I say respectfully because anonymity was asked for, and even if this stuff is being blasted all over the other forums, it's still the decent thing to do here. Black out the names and locations, post the article, and again begin asking relevant questions.

By the way, there were around a dozen witnesses to the events the article is about. Maybe someone has already interviewed some of them? I'd sure like to know if any other details are available, and I don't need the names or locations either.

And yes, I am fully aware that this report could be a hoax. But the same can be said about almost any report.
Personally, I would like to see this explored further. And not because it gives out the names/locations, but because it's a report of activity in a hotly debated location. And also because it happened before these researchers showed up.
Paul1968UK
QUOTE(Exeplis @ Nov 10 2009, 04:05 AM) *
Carolina Dog, yeah I've seen the article you're talking about. Its been available for a few days now yet it hasn't been referenced here..........strange huh?



It is strange. If it is a published article, someone who knows where it is should post a link to it.
Pywacket


Just for the record, Paul, JayleeD and Teresa have been accused of favoritism concerning the MRP recordings and discussion.

So, I suppose Paul asking for the link should be seen as another example of his favoritism towards the MRP group.

Shame on you, Paul. blink.gif

Edit to remove link.
Exeplis
I would've linked to it Paul, but I was concerned that it might've been a ban-worthy offense.
Drew
QUOTE(Prehistoric Fisherman @ Nov 9 2009, 09:26 PM) *
Ok, let me see if we have this right. There might be a hoax. There might be a hoax that goes on for 5 years. There might be a hoax that uses Nightwing's own mixtape to fool him.


All of the above are more likely than the following:

A Giant, Bipedal, Hairy, Migratory, Omnivorous, Camera Trap Dismantling, Howling, Mumbling, Wading, North American Primate is passing through a narrow band of trees, occupied by a group of researchers with a singular goal of documenting this creature, for the last 5-6 years.


Carolina_Dog
QUOTE(Ty @ Nov 9 2009, 10:17 PM) *
I'm sure you won't need to search too far as you already found and read that article on JREF earlier today even before writing this coy bullshit post below.
You are GT/CS on JREF aren't you? The one who wrote over there, "Carolina Dog just asked this article on the BFF. So far nothing but crickets chirping".


Way to go Ty!!!

Do you think that avatar was a clear enough clue???

Still hearing the crickets regarding the article. I'll post it if people want to see it or I won't if they don't. I'm good either way.

Drew
QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 10 2009, 08:57 AM) *
Way to go Ty!!!

Do you think that avatar was a clear enough clue???


I believe it is general knowledge Ty.

I have a question about the article, who, other than BIGFOOT, would know where the barbed wire fence was?
Volsquatch
QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 10 2009, 08:57 AM) *
Way to go Ty!!!

Do you think that avatar was a clear enough clue???


So you admit being GT/CS on the JREF forum. Nice.

You post this here:

QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 9 2009, 04:34 PM) *
Is it true that the landowner was named in a 2002 newspaper article about bigfoot activity on or around his property?


...after you had already found it on JREF.

Then you go say this on JREF: "Carolina Dog just asked this article on the BFF. So far nothing but crickets chirping".


QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 9 2009, 10:57 PM) *
No one knows anything about the 2002 article?

Looks like I need to do some searching. I'll post it for you if I find it.


QUOTE(Carolina_Dog @ Nov 10 2009, 08:57 AM) *
Still hearing the crickets regarding the article. I'll post it if people want to see it or I won't if they don't. I'm good either way.



You had already found it, know where it is right this very minute, promised to post it if you "found it", and still haven't posted it, so looks like you're the loudest cricket in the bunch.

Just who exactly are you trying to play for a fool?

lookinginmichigan
Well this is really going great!
southernyahoo
I went and looked at the article, it seems to support the fact there is a wilderness area near the reported incident, mentioning a rise in black bear population, bobcats and even cougar sightings. This is in stark contrast to the insinuated cow pasture the MRP supposedly researches in. So, does the article simply provide documentation that there is habitat, a healthy population of wildlife, and a history of reported BF activity in the area of that incident or, would this point conclusively to an outright ongoing hoax?

JayleeD
The fact hasn't changed that the BFF has always prided itself on keeping personal information of witnesses, land owners, location, etc. private. It's the right thing to do, and it's not about to change now.

If anyone sees this as my attempt to protect the MI group, you'd be right. The thing is, I'd do it for anyone else that asked also. I'm WAY beyond giving a damn what people on other forums think about me and my actions. Until Paul Vella tells me to step down, you will have to contend with me and my very hard head. Play your silly asses games and run your mouths until you're blue in the face and your head falls off. It won't change the fact that right is right.

JayleeD
QUOTE(southernyahoo @ Nov 10 2009, 08:21 AM) *
I went and looked at the article, it seems to support the fact there is a wilderness area near the reported incident, mentioning a rise in black bear population, bobcats and even cougar sightings. This is in stark contrast to the insinuated cow pasture the MRP supposedly researches in. So, does the article simply provide documentation that there is habitat, a healthy population of wildlife, and a history of reported BF activity in the area of that incident or, would this point conclusively to an outright ongoing hoax?



Now SY, you're being too rational for this discussion. People don't care about things like that, they'd much rather carry on this "got ya" conversation and speculation.
smiles22
Yeah - how is the article a smoking gun of any sort supporting hoaxing activity??
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