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Flashman
Hi folks,

Natural sources of salt are very rare across much of the continent. This substance is necessary for life. The drive to obtain salt can be as intense as that to drink or feed. Ungulates are known to risk their lives to stand and lick it off the highways in northern climes. In the absence of ready salted highways, salt licks on deer feeders etc, how do larger critters keep supplied?

In the case of carnivores, blood has a higher salt concentration and supplementation may be uneccessary.

In the case of herbivores, the reliance is on the minute quantities contained in vegetation.... but it is typically very minute.

What happens to either, when they get a real craving for salt?

It would appear that at this time a blood lust (The origin of the term???) could come over carnivores and they may kill beyond the need for meat purely for the blood. In human hunting societies it has even been noted that sometimes a hunter will down the beast and go "straight for the jugular" as it were to drink his fill. This has become practically unheard of to "civilised" man who has isolated salt and knows what it is.

Herbivores have it difficult, there's only one relatively concentrated source that's freely available... and that is urine... which in the warm months will just soak right into the ground. Although thier sense of smell for urine is a part of their defence system, they will in the grip of a salt craving actively seek predator urine for it's high salt concentration. Yes, in winter they eat the yellow snow.

Maybe we could expect a little of both from an omnivore... or some switch hitting on occasion from the others.

So where am I going?

Well one of the points here I guess is to highlight the realities of life, to say "If Sasquatch exists he's kind and gentle and doesn't do nasty things like suck blood." would be as ridiculous as asserting that the Pope never takes a dump. It's one of the screwdrivers in the toolbox of life and one he may need to use. However, with the increase in people putting out salt licks for deer and cattle, salt being available on the roads in winter (roadside plants also being probably quite salty year round) it may be something that is less prevalent now in more populous areas among all carnivores and herbivores, that either bloodlust or urine seeking is necessary. BUT, in remote areas of the North and the South that sees no road salt, these behaviours again become more likely.

Secondly, this is to point out the possibilities as winter arrives, of using urine as an attractant.. a wide variety of creatures obviously associate urine smell with salt, and in winter know it may be obtainable in yellow popsicle, or snowcone varieties, at the source of that smell. This may not be effective in areas amply supplied by salt. In remote areas however, if winter camping and Bigfooting, it may be an idea to have all your party pee at a place distant enough from camp to "dare" anything to try and get it, but close enough to observe. Typically you might otherwise all pee "behind the bushes out of the way" ... (come to think of it, isn't that always where all the strange rustles are, and isn't it always on the potty trips that people get spooked and think they nearly ran into something biggrin.gif )

To a creature that has seen a salt lick before, yes it looks like salt, but does it smell like salt? I would suggest putting salt licks in a prominent visible position if you want to try attracting anything that way....


Flash.
spookysully
A winning idea and if I remember right weren't the Jacobs pics supposedly of a bear or...young Squatch going after a salt lick?

Cheers
Spazmo
Good point Flash.
Remember the "Mono Lake Footage"? I had speculated that the resaon a BF might have come to the location is for salt.
We also know that gorillas will find a particularly salty rock and chew it. And that they will go out of their way to get to it.
Rex Lee
Good thinking. Some sort of salt lick, salt baiting would be a great thing to try.
Flashman
Just been thinking, our highway departments locally, have been switching away from NaCl road salt to more use of magnesium chloride brines and maybe calcium chloride... because these are meant to be more environmentally friendly. This could mean greater reliance on salt licks and the "natural" sources as the amount of human source salt in the environment declines along roadways.
micahn
I seen something just the other day and was thinking it might be worth a try. Here is what I seen
http://www.trophyrock.com/about-trophyrock.cfm
Have a game cam watching one of them and it might be interesting.
Spazmo
I was told about Trophy Rock by the Bipedalist, and thought it would be worth a try. I guess it's naturally occurring, which is a plus. It's pricey, and I can only imagine what it costs to ship...
Furious_George
There are relatively cheap livestock salts on the market. The salt is usually gathered from dried up ancient sea beds and contains many more essential minerals than a regular salt lick. A good place to put it would be a natural mineral deposit. If you look around some hunting forums, you might find one in your area. Hunters sometimes will stake out mineral deposits. Maybe you could amp up the natural deposit with added salt since these places are usually on an animals "to do list". Good thinking and good luck.
MooseMan
I haven't been reading too many threads here lately but this one had an interesting title, that's for sure!
bipedalist
QUOTE(Spazmo @ Oct 23 2009, 02:45 PM) *
I was told about Trophy Rock by the Bipedalist, and thought it would be worth a try. I guess it's naturally occurring, which is a plus. It's pricey, and I can only imagine what it costs to ship...



Do Bass Pro Shops, cheaper there, shipping is 8-10 dollars but I've seen it cheaper if you shop around. The Rock works!
I've gone through several of them and they WILL attract activity! Just waiting for the day the Big Hairy Guy tucks one under his
arm and bolts with it (better that than "projecting" it at 99 mph!) The suckers weigh somewhere in the 12-16 pound range, true bowling
ball heft---yah don't want to have to backpack with one too far cool.gif It is naturally occurring from somewhere in Utah
bipedalist
QUOTE
Although thier sense of smell for urine is a part of their defence system, they will in the grip of a salt craving actively seek predator urine for it's high salt concentration. Yes, in winter they eat the yellow snow.


Yes, had deer lurking around AT shelter area latrine area going for human yellow stuff on one trip.....confirmed!
COwatcher
I used to talk to a guy on the internet in a different board. He claimed to be able to mentally communicate with BF. I thought he was a crock, but he did bring up a experience that I had once with a BF that I never ever told anyone about, and maybe never will. Apparently he is legally blind and maybe slightly disabled in other ways. so I have to side with him somewhat. We had had lots of conversations and he really seems to know a lot about their habits and about them in general. Maybe some of the other things he thinks or knows are right on too.

In a conversation on said board people were asking about branches from trees being left sticking in the dirt after a person had an experience in the woods. The branches had been left sticking in the dirt outside the guys house and the blind fellow that said he could communicate with BF said that BF gets salt from sucking on the branches and that they had left him a gift. They believed he was friendly enough to walk in their woods.

Anyway.... that may be strange, but it is plausible.


I have horses. I have had BF in the fall for two years now where we currently live. Tracks, late night howling ect. A few glimpses of really big people walking in some narly terrain. But the other day while trying to scope the local coyote pack with the 270 we saw something really big and brown run through the tall pines and make the big trees Move. Like sway at the top by several feet each......Can't call it an encounter though because all we could see was the brown blur making tracks through the trees. But I am pretty sure that the coyote that I was thinking was sick might not be a coyote........

However my whole line of thought for sharing this is that I keep a mineral type red salt block in front of my horses at all times.......Maybe that is why they seem to come around every fall......HUMMMMM.

Another caution......It is illegal to put salt out or sweet licks out in some states as it is considered baiting. Check your state codes and don't get caught breaking the law. And know that the animal you attract may not be what you want to attrack and use caustion when you enter the area. If you attrack copious amounts of deer then you could attract mountain lions for instance. Or you might attract bears. I know lots of you on this board are seasoned outdoor people, but others of you may not be.....think and use caution when you move back into the area. And remember that deer kill people too.
driftinmark
QUOTE(COwatcher @ Oct 24 2009, 06:13 PM) *
.....Can't call it an encounter though because all we could see was the brown blur making tracks through the trees.



if I saw him up close I'm quite sure there would be a brown blur in other areas, if ya know what I mean coverlaugh.gif


when this country was being settled, there were many naturally occurring brine pits around,the NA peeps knew where they were and kept them
in high regards........when the sea receded after the last ice age it left many trapped pools that turned into springs and a lot of them held brine solutions........

I know of quite a few around where I live....

and yes, in NY you cant put salt licks out during big game season, DEC will have a field day with ya

And remember that deer kill people too

those nice little bambi deers?lol icon_really_happy_guy.gif
Flashman
QUOTE(COwatcher @ Oct 24 2009, 04:13 PM) *
In a conversation on said board people were asking about branches from trees being left sticking in the dirt after a person had an experience in the woods. The branches had been left sticking in the dirt outside the guys house and the blind fellow that said he could communicate with BF said that BF gets salt from sucking on the branches and that they had left him a gift.


Interesting, would be good to know more about the type of branches and type of terrain though. For instance, is this a "straw" going into a low water table, or is the idea to use capilliary lift or similar mechanism to lift salt slowly from just damp soil, maybe you return to the branch in a few hours?? Or, are we maybe using the immune and filtering system of the freshly dead branch to sweeten the taste of what Uncle Hairy just helpfully "watered" it with?


Could be rather valuable into to know even if fresh or dead branches were used, and if a time lapse was involved... because if you came across freshly green twigs stuck in the ground somewhere it might be an opportunity to hide and observe.
COwatcher
QUOTE(Flashman @ Oct 24 2009, 09:19 PM) *
Interesting, would be good to know more about the type of branches and type of terrain though. For instance, is this a "straw" going into a low water table, or is the idea to use capilliary lift or similar mechanism to lift salt slowly from just damp soil, maybe you return to the branch in a few hours?? Or, are we maybe using the immune and filtering system of the freshly dead branch to sweeten the taste of what Uncle Hairy just helpfully "watered" it with?
Could be rather valuable into to know even if fresh or dead branches were used, and if a time lapse was involved... because if you came across freshly green twigs stuck in the ground somewhere it might be an opportunity to hide and observe.


No he said that they sucked on the twig or branch its self to extract the salt in the wood and bark. It was funny to me because as a gardener I thought that it would be funny that trees contained salt like compounds. Salt will kill most any green living plant, though some like it.

COwatcher
QUOTE(driftinmark @ Oct 24 2009, 08:23 PM) *
if I saw him up close I'm quite sure there would be a brown blur in other areas, if ya know what I mean coverlaugh.gif
when this country was being settled, there were many naturally occurring brine pits around,the NA peeps knew where they were and kept them
in high regards........when the sea receded after the last ice age it left many trapped pools that turned into springs and a lot of them held brine solutions........

I know of quite a few around where I live....

and yes, in NY you cant put salt licks out during big game season, DEC will have a field day with ya

And remember that deer kill people too

those nice little bambi deers?lol icon_really_happy_guy.gif



Actually I am not entirly certain that it is not a person messing with me. Lots of people know who I am and would use my obsession with BF to mess with my head.

Though they howl over the ridge north of the house when we pulled the gun out (and we have several times just to look) they or it made tracks but when it was in the taller trees that are atleast 1000 yards north it stopped an banged the trees around pretty good. Coyotes do not run from a gun sometimes even if you fire it. Neither do bears. And if they are running to get away, they do not stop and start a rucuss. Though as I said it could be anything and I am critical enough to say that until I see it clearly and can identify it as a BF then it is just a weird coyote or something.

There could be more than one too cause there is something grey that is about 4 feet tall that was in the same area yesterday. But there again 1000 yards. guns inside. And it is hunting season. Could have been a short stupid hunter skirting the trees to get to the coyotes that sound like a couple of sick coyotes. So I will keep track.


Oh yeah I should say two falls not two years.Sorry.
Flashman
QUOTE(COwatcher @ Oct 26 2009, 11:48 AM) *
No he said that they sucked on the twig or branch its self to extract the salt in the wood and bark. It was funny to me because as a gardener I thought that it would be funny that trees contained salt like compounds. Salt will kill most any green living plant, though some like it.


Oh I see, thanks, I guess some might have more in than others. I hear beetroot likes it for instance, but that was supposed to be a maritime plant originally.

It was the stuck in the ground bit that had me going there.
Flashman
Aha, located a salt spring which was a historical major (the only?) source of salt in my area... first nations people apparently used to travel miles to go to it. It's located in the midst of a maze of minor creeks, alongside a more major one, is currently surrounded by a forested conservation area, has a recognised "wilderness corridor" running right up to it and is located 5 miles from a '60's BF sighting location (5 other of which in the region lie on the aforementioned wilderness corridor) ...

Hoping to check it out this weekend...
Spazmo
QUOTE(Flashman @ Nov 6 2009, 08:08 PM) *
Aha, located a salt spring which was a historical major (the only?) source of salt in my area... first nations people apparently used to travel miles to go to it. It's located in the midst of a maze of minor creeks, alongside a more major one, is currently surrounded by a forested conservation area, has a recognised "wilderness corridor" running right up to it and is located 5 miles from a '60's BF sighting location (5 other of which in the region lie on the aforementioned wilderness corridor) ...

Hoping to check it out this weekend...


NICE.
Now the big question...
Is it a warm spring? If so, this is where I would come in winter to:
A) Warm up if I was an animal
cool.gif Look for signs if I was an investigator

I think warm springs in winter might yield results. I've felt this way for a couple of years, but never had the chance to test the theory. You might be able to...so good luck to you!
S.
Flashman
Well I found it late this afternoon, had a relly turn up who wouldn't go away so got out late. It's in the corner of a small shallow pond that appears to collect some surface runoff too, looked a bit nasty, dead leaves and algae in there. Lots of sign that deer and birds and small critters frequent it. Doesn't seem to be flowing much at the moment, might be dependent on rainfall washing through rocksalt deposits. Not a great place for game cameras though, it's just brush, and tall scrub surrounding it, don't get any trees of any size in a 100 yard radius, and there's multiple directions it could be approached from. I guess anything that gets it's roots more than about 6 ft down in that area sucks salt and dies off.

That conservation area is "promising" in that it seems very sparsely trafficked by dog walkers and hikers, saw two large canid prints all the time I was there and those could have been coyote. Very quiet. Away from the salt spring area, theres very well worn game trails, but not much recent deer sign. I think this is because the forest is so mixed, and young and old, no general "canopy" and a lot of taller scrub, which means there's not much deer fodder this time of year, as the more single species woods get with fern etc. Historical use by humans of the salt spring was supposed to peak in Spring and Fall, so maybe not a good time at the moment.

Not sure if this spring is quite as unique as "billed" this whole area is supposed to be on top of one massive mineral salt deposit, but there's not many places where it surfaces. However, there are meant to be other instances of salt springs. This one didn't flow very much but was highly concentrated. A lot of these are however denied to wildlife as they apparently became the basis of industry and have now got cities on top of them. But there could well be other places in between that small brine springs break through.

Aside from that, it was one of those areas that gives you the creeps for no apparent reason, but lacked anything that makes you go "hmmm" like unnatural looking tree breaks or stick formations and debris shelter type things. Not that you can call any of those "proof" but when you start seeing a lot you really tend to keep your ears pricked and eyes peeled. Seemed like it would be bug heaven in summer though. Didn't see any squirrels, but also didn't notice any good amount of nut and seed type trees.

well anyway, possibly going to approach that area from the other side tomorrow, find out of there's choke points coming in that way.
Flashman
Well the other end of that conservation area was reallllly popular on a Sunday afternoon, world+dog+live bait *cough* sorry ,toddlers. but it was mostly contained to the area around the larger waterfall, with fewer people heading off down the ravines. The other end of it seems isolated from this side at the moment because a stepping stone type crossing of the creek was washed out or vandalised. "Wet feet" crossings would be easy though. Several minor caverns and undercut ledges down there would provide temporary or overnight shelter for "visitors" with some possibly hidden from view unless you waded down-creek through the steeper cuts. The hoi-palloi seemed to confine themselves to that upper area though, and where one of the trails looped back round to the road further down could be a quiet access point from woods across the road, just out of sight of farms. But the serious hikers come through that way, so it would be unlikely to be used apart from between say 10pm and 5am. Still a bad area to try to cover though, too much human traffic by day. Probably there's some better areas to access it from private land. Will probably be going there yet again, the other area had another hundred or so acres I didn't get into, and I would like to try getting into the deeper cut ravines.
colstonewall1
QUOTE(COwatcher @ Oct 24 2009, 06:13 PM) *
I used to talk to a guy on the internet in a different board. He claimed to be able to mentally communicate with BF. I thought he was a crock, but he did bring up a experience that I had once with a BF that I never ever told anyone about, and maybe never will. Apparently he is legally blind and maybe slightly disabled in other ways. so I have to side with him somewhat. We had had lots of conversations and he really seems to know a lot about their habits and about them in general. Maybe some of the other things he thinks or knows are right on too.


Care to share that story with us COwatcher??? I would Love to hear it, as I'm sure everyone else would as well. That's why we're here isn't it, to share our experiences with others. Please, please, please, pretty please, please, please. . .
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