TimB
Oct 21 2009, 10:07 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idU...604&sp=trueQUOTE
Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.
Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.
Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.
These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male..."
BigFanFoot
Oct 21 2009, 11:06 AM
Nice find.
Some of those claims border on absurdity IMO. I could be wrong I suppose. I think I'm going to revisit reviews by his peers once they have a chance to weigh in. I doubt some of those claims can hold up.
Also, it appears to be written to be a little humorous too. Still, jumping high and running fast don'treally equate with manliness or whimperdom do they? Maybe we can't do this because our brains developed to the most superior level ever, resulting us not having to chase down deers or rodents to eat. We learned to pen in animals and grow food.
billgreen2005bigfoot
Oct 21 2009, 11:11 AM
nice to neat new article everyone here ty... bill

to be continued
vilnoori
Oct 21 2009, 01:13 PM
Just thinking back to the physical abilities of the africans we lived among, I can tell you we are all a bunch of soft wimps. Every adult woman had a very fit body from farming with a hoe each day, muscular arms from pounding and grinding grain, and strong backs and legs from walking far, carrying water and wood (as well as baby). The men ran long distances, hunting, they would go at the same pace up hill and down hill, basically able to run or jog all day long. The kids ran all day long, the girls carried babies, water and wood, and farmed too. This was the norm. I don't know if it still is, I'm talking about several decades back.
Even looking at my own family there is a marked decrease in the amount of stamina in the few generations we see. My grandmother worked in the fields all day long in the 20's, 30's, and 40's. Even in old age she could outwork me as a young woman, at weeding, working in the garden, chopping wood, etc. My parents both, in their sixties, can outwork me at daily chores. They think we are shockingly unproductive and lazy, sitting on the computers, playing games, etc. And we are quite an exemplary couple compared to our peers--in addition to the usual job, church and school involvements we've been working on a large addition to the house, I have 4 kids, a garden, animals. It's true--each generation is getting softer. Woe betide us!
Spazmo
Oct 21 2009, 01:40 PM
I've often pondered this.
We can DIE from being left outside too long. Go figure.
Our ancestors (even recent ones) spent most of their lives outdoors, yet we have developed to the extent that we have very little of our old survival skills left.
We fear the sun because it can damage us to the point of a slow and miserable death. Makes me wonder if Melanoma was even an issue a thousand years ago.
Are future generations going to need some sort of survival suit just to go outside?
Yeah, we've become soft. There's no doubt about it.
BigFootie
Oct 21 2009, 04:45 PM
Looks like maybe we should have a "Me looking all rugged and primitive" thread.
Robert
Oct 21 2009, 06:04 PM
But how long did they live on average... 30 years? 40?
I suspect a 50 year old man was the village elder.
Spazmo
Oct 21 2009, 06:24 PM
Good point Robert.
I've also wondered what it would be like to go back in time at my age (45) looking the way I do (I can pass for 35). I would be seen as superhuman among a bunch of elderly 40 year olds.
Grazhopprr
Oct 21 2009, 07:49 PM
Lifespans declined when people built cities, and overworked, living in over-populated slums, without hygenics. The rich died early from over consumption and raunch. Civilization previous to medical advances, caused most of the early deaths. Before that, when everyone lived a simpler and healthier, more physical lifestyle, lifespans were pretty much the same as those still living that way in agricultural areas today, in organized family units, with the elderly living very long lives. Medicine and hygene, is what's keeping us alive in over populated civilization. Though we have lost our physical prowess as a cost.
TimB
Oct 21 2009, 10:54 PM
This is all very good discussion. I just found it interesting that more "primitive" hominids where theorized to have the same abilities you see mentioned in sighting reports, i.e. running fast, super-human strength, etc.
Tim B.
bushmaster
Oct 21 2009, 11:08 PM
QUOTE(Spazmo @ Oct 21 2009, 07:24 PM)

Good point Robert.
I've also wondered what it would be like to go back in time at my age (45) looking the way I do (I can pass for 35). I would be seen as superhuman among a bunch of elderly 40 year olds.
I don't think you'd be viewed as superhuman. More like divine... Young, soft and Godlike...

QUOTE(TimB @ Oct 21 2009, 11:54 PM)

This is all very good discussion. I just found it interesting that more "primitive" hominids where theorized to have the same abilities you see mentioned in sighting reports, i.e. running fast, super-human strength, etc.
Tim B.
Lends credence to the belief that BF could be a primitive hominid.
RiverRun
Oct 21 2009, 11:53 PM
I'm not sure if that stuff is too accurate. You can tell some obvious stuff by the thickness of the bones etc, but if humans as a race were becoming weaker with time we certainly wouldnt be getting any new sports world records all the time. I think we continue to develop strength and mental capabilities as our species goes on. I see people as a whole getting larger, stronger, and smarter. Not the opposite. Sure, a lot of people choose to live sedimentary lifestyles, but thats all a matter of personal choices and enviromental conditioning. I think its a very reaching theory to suggest they were for instance faster than modern man is. Hardly enough information to distinguish that from a few bones. Its similar to trying to suggest the depth of language on primitive civilizations. Very subjective at times.... Without having artifacts that suggest it, its pure speculation.
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