This question has always lingered in the back of my mind and I don't think I have seen a thread about it but thanks to Mulder in another thread I thought I would start a new one.

Can the government take possession of your Bigfoot specimen, alive or dead, if in fact you were able to gain possession of one?

This was briefly talked about before in the Georgia debacle thread where one thought possibly the government could have stepped in and claimed possession of the GA Boy's Bigfoot, if they ever chose to do so. Could local and state govenments make legal claim to the BF? Would it vary from state to state, from where the animal was found, private land or state land? Could any federal agencys lay claim to such a specimen, no matter who's possession it was in?

I'm not sure I would want to surrender my newly found Bigfoot to the government!

Be happy to answer that question for you, but not on this party line. You can e-mail me at www.moondog@kiamichiwb.org.

Yes, sort of a silly question. They can and will take anything they want.

Yes. They can and will take anything they want.

Yes. They can and will take anything they want.

http://www.coinnews.net/2009/08/04/us-gove...les-judge-says/

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articl...27/191414.shtml

Sorry for talking politics.

I hope this is not infringing on forum rules but I'm not sure it would.

Is there any way one would be able to keep their specimen?

Just assuming here, but perhaps the only way you would be able to keep it is if it was on private land?

I do know you need a permit to remove anything from any National Forest land. Not suppose to even gather firewood. So, let's say you do find a dead one on NFS land....it's dead....somehow you secure it and know it will be there when you come back...somehow.....then you go ask the FS for a permit to remove a dead animal?? Like a roadkill permit? Tell them it looked like a dead moose? Just some random thoughts that probably have huge holes in them.

Most states have statutes and regulations that indicate that wild animals and wild animal remains are the property of the state department of natural resources. This is true even if it is on private land. Believe me, no one like Tom Biscardi is going to be able to claim a living or dead bf as private property and try to reap a profit. The first bf body will go to a university to be studied by university scientists. In one way, this is a good thing because it allows the entire scientific community and the public to have access to a bf body. Below is an example from Wyoming.


For the purpose of this act, all wildlife in Wyoming is the property of the state. It is the purpose of this act and the policy of the state to provide an adequate and flexible system for control, propagation, management, protection and regulation of all Wyoming wildlife. There shall be no private ownership of live animals classified in this act as big or trophy game animals or of any wolf or wolf hybrid.

For as about as long as it takes for some men in suits with US Forrestry credentials to show up and take it away to be studied by "top men" and never seen again.

Any animal hunted and killed outside a season that is not considered a pest and is not attacking you will be considered poaching. Forfeiture of carcass and any licenses and incarceration will follow.

He takes my money, why not take my bigfoot

Hi

~ The mythical Bigfoot has been murdered, Man in custody ~

Mr H Simpson was arrested today and charged with shooting a Sasquatch out of season, The Mythical being was shot twice in the chest during what Mr Simpson States was a vicious attack using pinecones and verbal abuse during a camping trip with his son in the secluded area of Springfield USA, An autopsy is scheduled for latter in the week on what the goverment is calling an obvious human in a costume, Mr Simpson is being held on one million dollars bail and is expected to remain in jail until the he can be successfully reprogrammed throughly questioned by the Wildlife fish and game commission, More to follow

Peace
Tim

I can't imagine a scenario where they would let you keep it. Whether it was dead or alive. You'll get props for the discovery, but keeping it.... not a chance. What would you do with it anyway? If it were dead, I would want it to be away. It it were alive, I would want it to be further away.

Best deal, remove the heart and liver, hands and head, feet. Do a rough saw job brain removal ala Burnette, then find the nearest taxidermist and tell em you need a rush job! (just remember to give em the head back after you get the brain)

haha a stuffed BF would be pretty sweet. Conversation piece for sure. If it were alive, I would put it in my skeptical co-workers living room and wait to see if he says that they don't exist the next day.

If the government feels it is a national security issue or a high level security issue, they can do whatever they want. Check out the Constitution or more recently the Patriot Act (for better or for worse).

waaaayyyy beyond loop holes when it comes to sasquatches & goverment agenceys to continued nice thread ty bill

Oh, we had a rather pithy thread a while back on this topic . . .

Anyway, we need to be open to the possibility that such a carcass could be considered human, in which case you'd be in a much bigger heap of trouble if you tried to keep it from the authorities. It's best to be as above-board as possible, and not worry about the "Smoking Man" taking your bigfoot from you. Odds are, your place lacks the technology needed to properly curate the specimen.

It's your photos and your story that will make you the money.

I would be more afraid of the government stepping in and poof the evidence and proof of this creature would vanish into thin air. I guess if indeed you had a specimen in your possession you could leak it to the main stream press first off and than everyone would know about it prior to the feds stepping in and taking possession of it. That may increase the chances that the specimen would be properly analyzed with results given to the public via the press.

They can do whatever they please. They have the power, the numbers, the guns, the Gold and the "authority".

You have, ummm, the right to remain silent...

Better take as many samples as you can before turning the media loose on the subject. And scatter those samples near and far in places known only to you. Could be a bumpy ride for awhile.

And if you turn loose of ANYTHING for testing, for God's sake make sure you maintain a proper chain of custody! That way if something goes pear-shaped, you know WHO did it and when.

Sounds like you've been watching "The Thin Blue Line." Sorted!

Here ya go - one of the best topics on the subject, IMO.

Geezer's on abaht a comedy prog they put on the telly in England, ain't that right mate?


(Edit: Based I think on the premise "What if we did Juliet Bravo and they were all stoners?" )

Thanks counselor, very informative!

Long story short: if it swims, flies, walks or crawls in the woods, it belongs to the government and you can't take it or any part of it without permission. Being on private property MAY or MAY NOT help you.

I forget where I saw it, but an interview with a Ranger said that, if you mutilate the animal, by taking a body part, it's the same as mutilating any animal. You'll do major jail time for animal cruelty, etc. The only advise he could give, was documentation by cameras, and getting hair samples. Since the medula is the prime, that means yanking some out. Anyone who thinks they can get away with a BF, in any means, is looking for jail time. They won't mess around with it. At best, it'd be the Stokes Trail all over again. How much do you have to lose, personally, to follow something like this, all the way through.

Situations involving killing a wolf, griz, or cougar in self defense, might be a good search. How was it proven. What happened in the first hours after someone was contacted. Arrest? Court proceedings? Licenses revoked? Those animals are god incarnate, to the legal system. BF ranks right up there, in some states. In those states, there are no loopholes.

not for nuttin, but I wonder if the Georgia boys were ever contacted by the government when they did their hoax? think about it a national press conference
about a BF body....... you think someone would have been curious.......prolly wouldnt be worth asking cause we would never get a straight answer anyway.......

And, if you live in Colorado, they think they own the rain that falls on your property.

???

Taking a wild stab, stream rises on property, need extraction license to take water from it???

pdf file. so it takes a moment to load for me.
Here ya go:
Colorado rainfall collection restrictions

OMG!

That can NOT be legal...

its real and legal, umm scientists are saying that because of the way we pond I.E. collect water, that the runoff isnt making it to the streams and rivers , thus changing the way the evaporation process works..........creating drought in some areas and extra rainfall in others...........there is talk of limiting pond building in other states also.......Ill see if I can find the article.........

That'll never pass muster in a fair court. Using that logic, they could make you turn over control of ANYTHING on your property just by declaring they will. I mean, consider if you had a spring on your land. They could move in and pump all the water away.

That's not right...

and that why there is such a thing as eminent domain.........where I live, anything can be taken , we only own the surface, not whats underneath..........

ever check the deed to any properties you might have owned? check under the clause that says mineral rights.........might prove interesting.........

in ny state anything that could be construed as a public benefit, can be taken with eminent domain......even your house for a strip mall, or maybe a hotel, because that would enlarge the tax base,and would be considered a benefit to the municipality that you are in...........

there was a case in mass that went to the supreme court a few years back that did just this.......

so if you got a Sasquatch buried in the back forty, im sure the gov can find a way.........

In the case of ID, the taking authority has to pay the landowner for the value of what is being taken. If I'm reading the CO situation correctly, the state is summarily taking ALL water and making landowners pay to get it back. That's confiscation, not ID...

"senior water rights" have to do with years worth of buying the colorado river for las vegas, arizona, california, etc. Any run off from snow or rain, has percentages allocated to those regions, ahead of anyone else, including local residents. Saw a documentary about that several years ago. The Colorado River dries out before it even hits Mexico, anymore. Pretty frustrating, when I drive around western Washington, seeing billions of gallons of fresh water going into the ocean, from our abundant rain. Right now, we're going through flood fears and preparations. Happens every fall. If they calculated a minimum flow necessary for salmon, and used overflow draining at the headwaters, pumped fresh water could supply enough for everyone up and down the coast. If every mountain range had that kind of system, all over the country, there would never be a shortage of water. Minimum flow for the Mississippi, Ohio, etc, pump the overflow elsewhere. Stop flooding. Canada sends trillions of gallons of snow melt, into the Hudson and Arctic Ocean. Billions spent on oil and gas lines,,,,nothing on water. Go figure. Russia same as Canada, could make billions on pumping ice melt to Africa. Empty oil tankers? Fill them with water and send them to Mexico, Africa, Australia. Alaskan crude? How bout Alaskan snow melt? I don't get it. Coca Cola buying land in India, and pumping them dry of ground water, to sell in bottles world wide, while the Indians wells go dry. It's all about control over resources by multi-nationals. Food, water, energy=money.