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Drew
William Parcher at JREF pointed this article out to us.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=132900&page=63
The Article:
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/byrne_on_titmus.htm

Calling into question Bob Titmus' credentials:

QUOTE( Peter Byrne recalling meeting Bob Titmus at Bluff Creek)
At the time that I and my staff met Titmus in Bluff Creek, intrigued with the secrecy of his project, and its potential, and what obviously must have been the extraordinary know-how and expertise that had enabled him to develop it, we took advantage of what little time we had him in hand, so to speak (he was in a hurry, he said and had little time to waste on the kind of research that in which we were engaged, being as it was so far behind the advances he had made in his pending great find) to ask him as many questions as we could about his knowledge of Pacific Northwest wildlife, local conditions, Bigfoot lore and history. We did this because he has been described to us an expert woodsman and a veteran in forest lore (and indeed, was being employed as such by Tom Slick) and we were very keen to gauge the extent of his knowledge and, if possible, of course, apply it to our own work. To this end we managed to detain him long enough to get him to reluctantly agree to a short walk with us down a dusty logging road near our camp, one on which, within ten minutes of walking, we found a set of Black Bear paw prints. The prints, about six inches in length, were old, faded and were typical bear, with the short forefoot print and the elongated “banana shaped” rear imprint. Titmus, however, looked at the prints for two or three minutes and then promptly declared them to have been made by a young Bigfoot.


QUOTE( Same article)
Again, not long after our forest meeting with him, some time in 1960, he claimed a find of Bigfoot hair and, without informing any of us at the project, sent a set of hairs to Tom, stating that they were such. However, a careful examination of the hair by Tom and his associates in San Antonio, including a visual comparison of it with the hair of other known wild species of the north American continent, proved it to be moose hair and it is was interesting to note (a discovery made by Gerry Crew, on a visit to Redding) that about the time Titmus made this BF hair “find”, he was working on a moose trophy in his taxidermy workshop, in Redding.


A hoaxer? or a bumbling fool?
QUOTE( Peter Byrne talking about Bob Titmus' Secret Project)
What Titmus said he had discovered, his secret project from which we were all excluded, was something extraordinary. It was, simply a place in the mountains where a Bigfoot-and maybe more than one-came to defecate on what appeared to be a regular schedule. In other words, a permanent Bigfoot toilet. As Tom talked, I could see disbelief on the faces of the others. Nevertheless, we listened politely as he went on. The plan, he told us, had been for Titmus to show him the place in question, after which an operation would be designed, one that would include a 24/7 watch on the area and possibly the use of planes and helicopters and additional support teams, including scientists, as needed. We would all be part of it and the object of the plan would be, at the very least, to document any BFs coming or going to the site, via still and motion-picture photography. There could be a possibility, Tom thought, of making face-to-face contact with one and even, farfetched though it might sound, the exciting prospect of communication.


The ending?
QUOTE( The ending of the story)
He said that Titmus was wide-eyed with what looked like fear and as the footsteps got closer and closer, he had to admit that he was not far off panic himself. Then, suddenly, out of the Manzanita brush to their left, a large brown object walked into view. It was not, however, as Tom expected, a Bigfoot, but a medium-sized, brown-colored pony on the back of which sat a medium- sized old man, a Native American, dressed in a leather jacket and a battered felt hat and with a thick black ponytail hanging down his back. The old man rode up to the little tree, got off his mount, removed two small baskets from the back of the pony, tied the pony to the tree and then turned around to stare directly at the two men lying prone at the edge of the clearing.

Tom, feeling a little foolish, immediately stood and walked up to the old man, who greeted him respectfully and shook his hand. When asked what he was doing there, the man told him that he was a Yurok Indian, from the Hoopa Indian Reservation, come to collect wild herbs-which was what his baskets were for-and that he had been coming to this same place for many years and, he added with a smile, pointing to the little tree, tying his pony right there, in the middle of the animal's dung pile.

To which, at this precise moment, Tom told us, the pony made a generous contribution.

LAL
That's hilarious. Thanks for posting.

It doesn't, of course, make Bob Titmus a hoaxer. Over-enthusism isn't uncommon in the "field". The moose hair could have been stuck to his clothing and fallen off where he found it.

I've always liked Peter Bryne's ascerbic wit. John Green thinks he's a fraud. I've always liked Green's ascerbic wit, too.

Bob Titmus seem to have been unique in that he didn't write any articles or books. wink.gif
Yetifan
Drew, quoting Peter Byrne writing about Bob Titmus, wrote:

QUOTE
To this end we managed to detain him long enough to get him to reluctantly agree to a short walk with us down a dusty logging road near our camp, one on which, within ten minutes of walking, we found a set of Black Bear paw prints. The prints, about six inches in length, were old, faded and were typical bear, with the short forefoot print and the elongated “banana shaped” rear imprint. Titmus, however, looked at the prints for two or three minutes and then promptly declared them to have been made by a young Bigfoot.



Ouch.
G-Off
Is it just me, or do most, if not all, of the original bigfooters have a lot of issues with crediblity? Starting to make me wonder. I would consider myself a believer, but i sm going thru a question of faith, and all these accounts of the bluff creek hoaxing possibilities, and the like are becoming more prevalent in my mind. I'm not saying I'm now a skeptic, but I dont believe as much as i used to. Not just cause of this article, but it doesnt help things... icon_bang.gif
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Yetifan
QUOTE(G-Off @ Oct 5 2009, 06:43 PM) *
Is it just me, or do most, if not all, of the original bigfooters have a lot of issues with crediblity? Starting to make me wonder. I would consider myself a believer, but i sm going thru a question of faith, and all these accounts of the bluff creek hoaxing possibilities, and the like are becoming more prevalent in my mind. I'm not saying I'm now a skeptic, but I dont believe as much as i used to. Not just cause of this article, but it doesnt help things... icon_bang.gif
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You ain't alone brudda...you ain't alone.
G-Off
Thanks Yetifan. Good to know! wink.gif
norcal logger
QUOTE(Yetifan @ Oct 5 2009, 10:43 AM) *
Drew, quoting Peter Byrne writing about Bob Titmus, wrote:
Ouch.


Double ouch. And obviously someone that had more "belief" than experience.
LindaJM
I couldn't understand the need to write an article defaming Bob Titmus. He's dead and can't even defend himself. If he were here he could probably come up with some good stories about Peter Byrne too. But he's not here. Byrne gets the last jab.

Needless to say, I wasn't happy about having read that article.
Squonksquatch
I don't think I should accept Byrne's accounts as "real" more than any other BF "hunter." To go to such lengths to smear someone doesn't say much about the person doing the smearing (and who hasn't exactly brought the big guy in for show and tell himself, has he?). I personally have no interest in Titmus' reputation -- didn't know him or any of the major players from back in the day. Byrne may be giving a 100% accurate account of Titmus for all I know, and he may have just been returning the favor if Titmus had said unkind things about him. But I've always thought if the BF "community" spent more time actually researching rather than running down the the reputations of others then the mystery of what's going on might actually get solved one day.
RiverRun
QUOTE(LAL @ Oct 5 2009, 11:04 AM) *
That's hilarious. Thanks for posting.

It doesn't, of course, make Bob Titmus a hoaxer. Over-enthusism isn't uncommon in the "field". The moose hair could have been stuck to his clothing and fallen off where he found it.
I've always liked Peter Bryne's ascerbic wit. John Green thinks he's a fraud. I've always liked Green's ascerbic wit, too.

Bob Titmus seem to have been unique in that he didn't write any articles or books. wink.gif



Maybe you should change your nickname from LAL to LOL coverlaugh.gif Talk about hilarious...


Thats a pretty broad assumption with nothing to substantiate it.
LAL
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 6 2009, 05:24 PM) *
Maybe you should change your nickname from LAL to LOL coverlaugh.gif Talk about hilarious...


Thats a pretty broad assumption with nothing to substantiate it.


It's a broad assumption Titmus was pulling a hoax.

You may call me "Lu". That's my name. My SN is my initials.
RiverRun
Nice to meet you Lu. I'm Ben.

I've never claimed Titmus hoaxed a thing. It sure seems like he was far from the great tracker he was portrayed as though.
AlbertaSasquatch
Byrne was just jealous because he wanted to be portrayed as the great tracker.

It's also very easy to smear the name of a dead man, who's not going to disagree with you right. Not only that but he throws Tom Slick's name in there as a witness to all of Titmus' bumbling. Slick, who is also dead, can't disagree with him. I find it funny, as in it doesn't add up, that Titmus could be such an imbecile in front of Slick, yet he managed to keep his job with Slick and kept getting paid by the same man who witnessed all of these bumbling antics? scratchhead.gif
LAL
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Oct 6 2009, 05:51 PM) *
Nice to meet you Lu. I'm Ben.

I've never claimed Titmus hoaxed a thing. It sure seems like he was far from the great tracker he was portrayed as though.


Could be. Most idols have feet of clay. This is my favorite Byrne story. I had the pleasure of meeting Peter in Hood River, Oregon. He wasn't dissing anyone.

Nice to meet you, too, Ben.
slabdog
I wonder if taxidermist Titmus ever did any work with horse hide?

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JayleeD
QUOTE(AlbertaSasquatch @ Oct 6 2009, 04:53 PM) *
Byrne was just jealous because he wanted to be portrayed as the great tracker.

It's also very easy to smear the name of a dead man, who's not going to disagree with you right. Not only that but he throws Tom Slick's name in there as a witness to all of Titmus' bumbling. Slick, who is also dead, can't disagree with him. I find it funny, as in it doesn't add up, that Titmus could be such an imbecile in front of Slick, yet he managed to keep his job with Slick and kept getting paid by the same man who witnessed all of these bumbling antics? scratchhead.gif



Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!

Great points you've made AS. thumbup.gif


Bold print added by moi. sleep.gif
spookysully
Byrne has always seemed like a poser to me. I'm not getting on the Titmus bashing bandwagon because I think he's contributed just as much as Byrne has as far as anything incontrovertible relating to BF goes.

Cheers
LAL
Titmus cast more tracks.
georgerm
QUOTE
Again, not long after our forest meeting with him, some time in 1960, he claimed a find of Bigfoot hair and, without informing any of us at the project, sent a set of hairs to Tom, stating that they were such. However, a careful examination of the hair by Tom and his associates in San Antonio, including a visual comparison of it with the hair of other known wild species of the north American continent, proved it to be moose hair and it is was interesting to note (a discovery made by Gerry Crew, on a visit to Redding) that about the time Titmus made this BF hair find, he was working on a moose trophy in his taxidermy workshop, in Redding.



Sounds like Titmus would do anything to fool Mr. Slick into investing in the BF project. Peter is seems not to slander the dead man, but is pointing out what happened on this occasion. Make you own mind up.

This has been the problem all along with BF since we have real investigators mixed with attention getting hoaxers who want to steal a ticket and ride the BF wave. We need to separate the wheat from the chaff.
spookysully
Titmus never tried to cash in on the BF fame wagon like so many have done did he? Also there are many positive words written about Titmus as well. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/btitmus.htm

Since the man is dead and getting Byrne to reveal anything is going to be equally difficult, once again, all anyone's left with is their opinion. No matter how much of a detective/googler anyone thinks they are, in the end, all of this is just conjecture isn't it?

Two men that I have always thought to be at the forefront of Bigfootery were Grover Krantz and John Green. Both of these men thought little of Peter Byrne and there are several googleing examples of each giving his explanation for why. Without looking very hard, I found where Krantz said that Byrne was a "Sham, and a fake."

In the same search, I found where Green is quoted as saying "Peter Byrne is a fraud,". "He tells the public that Sasquatch is near human because that's what they like to hear."

This is silly at best

Cheers
tsiatkoVS
Yeah, this doesn't overall effect my feelings about Titmus. The implication of a hoax (about the worst thing you could accuse someone of in this field) is not substantiated by Byrne.

I wish Titmus had written his experiences down. Over decades he cast a number of footprints and, from memory, attempted to chase a possible Sasq (heard, not seen) thru the brush but his colleague was too frightened to go on and had three, that I know of, personal sightings of varying quality.

I've read he occasionally wrote letters to John Green. Maybe there's alot more info to be found in those.

I wonder if JG would eventually allow some one to edit those letters into at least an article? That's something I would like to read.
Determined outdoorsman
QUOTE(LindaJM @ Oct 6 2009, 02:29 AM) *
I couldn't understand the need to write an article defaming Bob Titmus. He's dead and can't even defend himself. If he were here he could probably come up with some good stories about Peter Byrne too. But he's not here. Byrne gets the last jab.

Needless to say, I wasn't happy about having read that article.


I happen to agree with you whole-heartedly Linda.

Amazing that these revelations didn't surface while Bob Titmus was still alive.

Pretty pathetic in my opinion.
lbattson
I knew Bob Titmus and this article by Byrne does not sit well...........
BigfootBookman
I am hoping to gain more information on the Titmus subject soon. There are some locals around here who still remember the guy. As I'd said in my interview with Daniel Perez:

"Also, just a few months ago, I had an old-time local tell me, in slightly guarded terms, that he knew of some convincing evidence in a taxidermist's shop in Anderson that would really make me think twice if I saw it. When I said, Oh, you mean Bob Titmus? he clammed up and said it was his brother who had seen this evidence and that he himself had been sworn to secrecy about it. Now I am waiting for this brother to come to my shop and tell me about it. It seemed rather convincing to me, and the guy was utterly serious. Do you know anything about this stuff, and what do you think about it all? "
from...
http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/2009/...th-bigfoot.html

As most of you will know, Willow Creek, where I live, is near Redding and Anderson, where Titmus lived and had his shop back in those early bigfooting days. SO, it is totally conceivable that the fellow I met in my shop really did meet Titmus, that his brother did know him, and that the brother may indeed have seen something interesting in the taxidermy shop.

I am a bit tormented waiting around to find out what this "secret" information is. WHAT KIND of "evidence"? A bigfoot corpse or something like that? I can say that to the best of my ability I could not discern an ounce of BS in this guy's story.

My original report on meeting this fellow is found at the bottom of my report on a recent sighting in Oden Flat:
http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/2009/...t-roadside.html
Here it is:
"The most strange kind of report we get in here is the kind where the person starts talking, but then stops mid-story and seems to think better of telling further details. This often happens with the old-timers from around here. On this last Sunday we had a fellow come in who had grown up in Willow Creek area, and was old enough to recall the stories told by his elders of the 1958 activities up on Bluff Creek, as well as the events around the Patterson-Gimlin film event in 1967.
He told me this, about "a taxidermist's shop in Anderson," and I chimed in, oh you mean Bob Titmus? He vaguely nodded, but then said he was "sworn to secrecy" by his brother who had seen something there. To paraphrase, he then said, Let me just say that if you didn't believe in this Bigfoot thing before, you'd certainly have to think twice after this. SO, WHAT did he see in Titmus' shop??? Could there have been some evidence not revealed to the public? A dead Bigfoot, perhaps? Well, we are waiting on needles and pins over this one. It could be a stunning revelation from a man who knew Titmus from outside of the bigfooting community, if the brother is willing to tell his story."

Best,
Steve
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