He's got something going on here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozpRjwOepQ...yer_profilepage

nice find.

Very interesting.

I dunno, I cant help but be skeptical. A lone print in itself is a little suspicious (considering it looks like decent for taking tracks in the area surrounding where he finds the print. Yet the print is on substrate he cant even make a print on?) This is corroborated with his son or guest or whomever else hes calling to in the video. They say in the video the same thing I suspect from looking. Dont like that hes dropping cigs in the creek either :-P


at 2:15 in the video. "a lot of soft dirt here to get good prints"
at 2:35 "theres some really nice soft mud down here"


If the track is legit there should be evidence of some kind showing tracks leading up to it, and away from it. Especially so in "soft dirt" etc leading up to that area. Interesting. I know I've been extremely skeptical of this guy, but I also think its deserved.

I agree with your skepticism, not only because of the single print issue, but because the print appears to be mirror flat. Looks more like a flat, rigid prosthetic made the print. Jumping across the creek would have left a print with more dynamic deformation just from the jump. If not from a jump, seems like a callused foot would have caused the different small rocks to socket just slightly differently, causing a more uneven print.

HD version,,,,,,,,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev1q53puz1Y...yer_profilepage

I agree...come on! One print sitting all by it's lonesome, right. Keep looking buddy.

very interesting find!

The print looks great. The print might be real, but your reaction seams to be fake. Your reaction when you find it seems a little off. Either you found it first and then tried to recapture your response by turning on the camera or it's a complete fabrication. You are completely different than you normally are, especially in that HD version. The first video you said you were so nervous that you dropped your cigarette in the creek and in the HD version you were really calm. It just seems like bad acting, sorry if it wasn't, that's just my impression.

Looking for footprints through a viewfinder would give a person a headache in seconds. You were looking at the creek and then pan quickly to the left and reveal the print. Camera viewfinders and video screens don't allow for peripheral vision. Meaning there is no way you would have seen it to pan over that quickly unless you weren't looking at what you were shooting. It was the typical "intro and reveal" scene that mimics every hoax out there.

I usually like all of your vids but this one is different and smells fishy. Hope I am wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozpRjwOepQ

:34 "ive been walking this creek for two and a half, three hours"

2:10 "I've been following this creek for an hour and a half uhm"


Another thing I noticed is, the track looks different in the different videos. Almost as if the loose dirt in the middle of the track in the HD version had been flattened some. (middle of the track appears flattened in the other version, first vid posted)


Just some other things I noticed.

Hey guys, Take it as it is ! I found it ! I didn't fake it ! and I often look in the other direction then what the camera is filming. Yes there was more impressions in the area but had no detail to them. I filmed with 2 cameras trying to get the best video that I could. As for my reaction when I found this footprint was off a little bit - well I wonder why ! This forum is always saying I over react and get too excited when I find something so I tried another slow going,clam approach. I guess no matter what I try somebody will not be satisfied !
There are 2 ways to go about this - Either you believe me or you don't. This time I won't get in a Dog fight in here !
Take Care !

You nailed it brother.

Just looking at the track ( and not involving myself in the tcsjr. politics) I see a pretty decent track, the toes look slightly smeared and in the HD version I see the middle of the track is 'shifted and broken', in line with a mid-tarsal break. While it is an "isolated" print, I could see where the maker may have jumped down from the creek bank overhang, right foot onto the flat rock partially in the creek ( looks like a natural place to jump down to) and then the other foot coming down into the inner sand/pebble bank. The lack of other prints, even of poor quality is disturbing, although within the realm of possibility. If it was faked, it was well done considering how difficult it would've been to make a track there in that kind of substrate especially when it appears there was plenty of 'soft muddy ground' nearby that would've been much easier to work with. IMHO

What about the track being different in the different video versions? What about inconsistent statements made in the videos. What about LOOKING FOR OTHER TRACKS WHEN YOU FIND ONE. Or not.... hes satisfied with finding that one, and calling his buddies over. First thing I'd do upon finding any track is look for where it came from and where it went. But not this guy, there it is, and its different in the two vids. alright....... soft dirt surrounding the whole area and theres one print, not looking for more.... and why did he alter it between the two videos? Maybe fix it up a little bit before his buddies come and look at it? Definitely altered between the two vids. Interesting indeed.

Not suspicuous at all (lol)

Wow RiverRun! You don't miss nothing ! To be presise I followed 2 creeks. The large main creek I followed between 2 and 3 hours. The smaller creek i followed between an hour to an hour in a half. The 2 videos that show this footprint do look different and I can't explain why. Maybe it happened when I pulled the leaves out. Maybe next time I shouldn't even touch it. I get so involved in my research that I often say things over and over again that don't match up. If I do this in the future then please call me up on it and I will explain. You have a right to be skeptic and question my research.

Trust me! We all looked around the area for more footprints off camera and found only a few impressions but with no detail. We went back today and searched the area for more trace evidence but found nothing. Wish you were there !

Hi

I would have to figure if a BF went through that area there would be more than one lone track.

Peace
Tim

He only filmed the one. I would have sent someone from that bank, back and look for the approach. Then go into that green area in the direction of travel through that green stuff on the bank. It looked like a leap down to the rock, one step, and into the greenery. Not a big leap for one on the move. Walking strides are measured in the 5 foot range. One on the move might be in the 7 plus feet range. Just a cantor, hop down, then momentum forward, one step in the gravel, then step in the greenery. Looks like the weight was on the outer edge of the foot. We don't know what he did after the filming. He can explain that himself.

I'm no expert here on footprints in dirt, but wouldn't those leaves that were in the indents be pressed into the dirt much further than just laying there? He just picked them off like lint. Or could it be that the wind blew the leaves there in the first place? In the one part, whatever it was that made that footprint had a high arch to the foot as well.

I promise I won't dwell on this too much and I hope that it is real. I'm just questioning because something just isn't adding up. You can call me a skeptic, but I'm not. I just want to know the truth.
The HD version has a print in a surface that seems hard (considering that you couldn't make a dent with your own body weight) yet you point out that the soil is all fluffy and loose (within the track). You even push the loose soil down with one finger. If you can push down the fluffy dirt with one finger, why wasn't it flattened by whatever made the track?

Why is the soil still loose and fluffy inside the track?
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In the SD version, the soil inside the track is now all matted down. It looks like it was smushed down with a finger.
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I hope I am wrong. I hope you find the big guy. Good luck in your search.

I'll take that as a compliment to being observant. The two videos clearly show the track being altered in between the two. More than just moving leaves away. What was your reasoning as to flattening down the dirt in the center? I find your actions highly suspicious. There is a large difference between documentation, and fabrication.

I definitely see it now. My only guess would be that he did it to make it more 'visible', although if so messing with a 'real' track other than casting it seems foolhardy, at the very least.
Tcsjr, If you "recreated" the moment of discover via video, now would be the time to admit that and move on. Also if you altered the track, in any way, other than where you are shown 'taking a few leaves out', the same would apply.

I have to admit, this did force me to go back to both videos, lift frames from them, and see what is going on. In the SD version, it seems like he altered the print. He did, but not to fake anything. He took out the loose rock that was in the compression ridge, and pushed down the loose micro-gravel in that area. He did say something about that gravel being a problem as he was thinking about casting it. That's a problem with purists about detail and manipulation of it. I get a feeling that removing those details before the SD video was taken, was more ignorance on his part, and not manipulation to make the track more real. It was an amateur mistake. Tim's not a scientist. He's a hobbiest with a passion, and he's making mistakes along the way. I doubt very seriously that he does things on purpose to fool anyone. I'm sending him a link to this, in an email. He knows I don't hold back on things I find, that he messes up on. I'll tell him to think about it, and put in a reply in here. Don't throw out that print, just because Tim did something that the purists totally freak out about. No one is a professional at this, by any means.

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That's a good point Grazhopprr. If he didn't no better, that's one thing. I believe him to be honest.
Can an expert explain how the loose soil was present inside the the print? Meaning if the ground is hard and gravely, wouldn't that have to be scraped away to expose the loose stuff instead of impacting it down?

Because a compression ridge, happens when the ball of the foot pushes off, pushing the gravel back, towards the heel, pushing it up, separating the grains of micro-gravel, like the Cascade mountains pushing up from compression of the Pacific Ridge moving east, into Washington. If the foot had landed flat, and lifted perfectly flat, you'd have a flat, compressed print. Look at any wet sand beach print, you'll see the same thing, depending on how coarse the grains are. This print isn't on sand, but micro-gravel.

And btw,,,,,,IF,,,,,,he pushed the ridge down with his fingers. That SD cam is so foggy that I may be wrong about it. It looks like it, but only Tim knows for sure.

Thanks man. I don't know squat about prints. That makes sense.

That's actually not true. Experimenting with the ridged foot I made showed that one of the problems with using a ridged foot was the substrate sticking to the foot during compression, and then falling back into the print as the foot was lifted out.

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Did the tape measure do this?

ETA - It's unfortunate you deleted the above post. I think a lot of members here would have found it very informative.

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted. Plus some flinging backwards from the toes. Hell, it's all relative to the individual situation. I can't generalize it or judge what happened here. A 2D pic and video, just don't cut it, for 2nd hand judging. Only a good CSI kinda thing, on the scene, would suffice for some. It's a learning thing. Can't expect everyone to come up to those high standards.

Next time check in the water. In at least one situation I found the individual was using the water as a path to cover tracks, and left just a couple random tracks on the sandy edge.

Hope you don't mind that I took some screen snaps of your film for closer analysis, tcr. I think I found some interesting things.

1. Stone formation?




2. This shows the track's proximity to water:




3. two shots of the track from different angles. The print has not been messed with yet:






4. close-up of track before it has been messed with:




5. After it has been picked at, leaves removed, whatever:




6. I found you a blobsquatch in the film, it is in front of or part of a stump in the background.

First, the ubiquitous arrow to point it out



closer still:



detail showing odd colour and humanoid shape:

Video Statement For all here in the forums.

Hey tcsjr, don't run away. I submit some of my stuff here too, because these guys are going to view it critically but criticize and tear it apart a whole lot kinder than the media would. I accept their opinions, but I realize it is only their opinion, they weren't there to hear and see the stuff I experienced. One thing that is convincing is lots of evidence, not just one track or two, but whole trackways and stuff. I'm still working myself on piling up that too. Great stuff you're doing out there, wish I could get out as much as you can.

All the best, Vil

Dude, I dont buy your statement. The print was definitely altered between the videos, more than you try to explain away with removing leaves and the tape measure etc. You also state in the first video posted "all I did was take out the leaves". (more than once)


What a cop out. wahh wahh wahhh.


The truth and fact will always stand to any sort of skepticism. All else falls away. Sure I think its great you're out there looking around for evidence. What you presented speaks for itself. What it speaks may vary in opinion from person to person. (as is obvious from the responses in this thread) I think I've been pretty clear about what it speaks to me. Sorry if you dont like what people have "noticed" about the videos. Would not noticing it be any better? If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. You try and represent a track in your video on youtube and state that "all you did was take out the leaves" several times to your buddies as they approach the area. They also take note that the surrounding area is great for taking prints. (yet there are none leading up to the "one" you highlighted in your video) Clearly the track has been altered more than just removing leaf matter. The tape you say flattened down the middle of the track, and you stepping on either side doesnt cut it. Want me to pull stills from after that point to prove it? Come on now man.....

I think copping out and running away only proves the point even more. Happens all the time in bigfoot forums when people are confronted about bullshit they present. The truth stands any sort of skepticism. We'll see if you stand or run. Meanwhile, I'm not buying your explaination of how the track was altered, and I can prove it if need be by showing screen captures after the tape measure was put away.

Tcsjrbigfoot, don't take it the wrong way. I posted questions on this forum because this is where I find the info is being presented. This is how a forum works. There is a reply button for a reason. Posting here opposed to a personal email allows for different minds to share their thoughts. An email would work too but that defeats the purpose of the forum and would restrict the multitudes from learning about these findings. Plus, if you were willing to answer every email, posting here would save you from answering the same question 400 times.

I don't take info for face value here because let's face it, if I did, that would mean there are actually 10 million BF's running around and maybe a couple dozen mothmen. I'm sorry that I am not a mindless zombie that says "oooooo, that's good enough for me". If you believe everything you hear here, would you like to buy my magic rock collection? They really work. If something doesn't look right, I am going to inquire. I was not there and only have a partial picture of your findings. I think you do a great job with responding to the hard questions that get thrown your way. I have no idea if you are full of it or honest. None. No idea either way. I don't know you. I want to know the truth and if the truth is absent or you think I don't deserve to know it, that's fine.

I wish you the best of success with your research.

Hi

I say ~ Furious ~ Hit it right on about how it works here ~

The BFF is an independent forum dedicated to the " discussion " of the bigfoot phenomenon.

Forums are not for everyone and they can't be a do it all type of place, Like Furious said it defeats the purpose of the forum if you have to go else wear to find the answer to what was posted,

I posted about the lone track cause to me it seems rather odd and i wanted to find out what the skinny was on that, Again thats how it works here, Just looking for a simple answer so i can move on to other questions i have,

Tim ~ You are very welcome here, What you are doing out there is a good thing for all of us that are looking for information that might lead to finding BF, I think if your going to post here you need to spend more time jumping in and responding to the posts, Talking back and forth and getting to know some members, You might be surprised to find some of those you think are all over you are pretty good folks just asking some good questions, We are all looking for the truth and you are the only one that can answer things about your research,

We have all had our days here that didn't go so well but those that are still here have come to learn it needs to be on the ruff side in order to keep the BS out of the discussion,

You cannot delete an account here, You can only stop posting or logging in

Peace
Tim

Tcsjrbigfoot, speaking as a member, and not a moderator, I was dismayed by your 'video statement'. From your previous posts it appeared you were ready and willing to be asked and answer questions. We weren't there; you were. I, personally, am not going to go to any other site, nor email you, with a question. As Furious George puts it:


my bolding

As a forum, the members are not all like-minded... thank goodness! If we were, we'd get nowhere, and get there quick. Therefore, maybe not referring to the BFF as "you guys" really is not appropriate in the context of your statement. There are some great minds out there that will ask some hard questions. I believe that's the only way to get to the bottom of this phenomenon.

As a moderator, I can tell you we will not delete your account. We just don't do that. It is up to you whether you'd like to post again or not. I personally hope you do.




How much... I could really use a magic rock collection!

Haha, just one cow. Oh wait, that's for the magic beans. Give me a sec to look it up.

Tim, the BFF has given you a place to present your evidence, along with a place to link to your You Tube videos. You state on your "Bigfoot Forum Statement" video that people here are not asking you questions. Yes, they are. They are asking them here rather in emails or on your other sites, you're just not answering their questions here. I don't think it's quite fair of you to make the accusations you do in this latest video toward the posters here.

It's too bad that you have decided not to communicate further through the BFF, but that's your choice. I wish you much success in your research.

Jeez - self-righteous much?

You ask for answers to questions, and then refuse to accept them?

You can't prove sh*t RiverRun - any more than he can prove what he says about the print - that's kind of the point...

I agree forestguy. I'm starting to think that RiverRun has some kind of issue with Tcsjr. Seems on the attack more than questioning him. Not exactly objective.

If TCS Jr. posted the original link to YouTube I'd say he has to be able to answer questions in the same forum in which he initiated the video. However, since he did not initiiate this thread I'd allow him some flexibility here.

I think all of the questions presented here are fine, and someone who posts here should expect a careful eye, although I also think RRs posts are a tad on the aggressive and bullying side.

Yeah, guess you'd all rather let him take you for a ride. Thats cool too. When I see BS I call it. Sorry if you dont agree. Clearly the tracks were altered between the videos and not by the measure tape, and not by him stepping beside it. Watch the videos. If you still think not, I will present some stills taken AFTER the tape measure and AFTER he steps beside it. I dont understand how some of you can be so supportive of someone who is obviously lying. Oh well though.

It sounds like RiverRun is just having a good time flaming Tim. RiverRun isn't saying anything constructive and he sure doesn't know Tim at all or anything about actually getting out in the field and doing research. RiverRun is just another internet bully. Get rid of him, forums don't need people like him.

Because I'd rather put up proof then talk crap. Heres two stills from the first vid (sd) and then the last still is from the HD version AFTER he puts away the tape, and AFTER he steps beside it (still is taken at the end of the vid)


Tell me if the track looks as if its been altered any between these first two and the last one.






HD

Hi

First post and already breaking the rules

Under absolutely no circumstances should a member ask, tell or suggest that another member should leave the forum - violators of this rule will receive an immediate seven-day suspension.

Just so any new members that have joined the BFF know ~ Do not chime in to back up your buddies - hunting in packs is not allowed here.

I read this thread constantly and have not seen anything that is flaming or breaking any of the forum rules, I also see we have had posts from some of the Administrators and Moderators trying to explain how it works,

For those that have not read the Rules And Guidelines or need a refresher on how this forum handles things i ask to please go here so you are in tune with the way the BFF works ~ http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=18127

Peace
Tim

This was sage advice at the time. It's unfortunate it wasn't taken, but given the obvious evidence that the track was altered, it isn't surprising.

Hard to believe you had to prove your point with stills RR. Common sense usually prevails, but just comes slower for some than others I guess.

Tcsjr will be back here. Just 2 weeks ago he had the "respect of the Bigfoot Community", and he was "on the rise". You can't have either without this forum