I remember someone quoting a statistic last year on this forum which indicated that 500 Indian women disappeared in Canada in a certain number of years. I believe this gentleman searcher mentioned the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) as the source of that statistic. Can anyone please help me finding this information source? A major search group I was in contact with was asking me where I got this quote. This is a serious group investigating disappearances of men and women in Canada, which could be potentially related to the Big Guy. Thank you for your consideration.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingn...g-44909452.html

Thank you Vilnoori. I am just back from BC where I spent two weeks on the island, in Squamish and in Penticton. You have a lovely country. The post is interesting; I note that no mention was made of sasquatch in our parliament!! That would have gotten Stephen laughing... Actually it is the reference to the RCMP officer who could make these files available that my contact is interesting into. But perhaps through that journalist... thanks again

no problem

I've read about this somewhere before. Are there any clues as to what's going on? It just seems so strange that the women of one particular race are being targeted.

Ahhhhhh, serial killer maybe?

Stacy! Stop being logical. You know as well as I do that it's probably a sasquatch! That sas is probably taking these women to use as love slaves. I am betting they usually die during childbirth and the sasquatch has to go take another NA women to raise the baby..It's a vicious cycle.

Ahem..

Sorry, I just had to put that in there since it showed up in a sasquatch research thread and you just know some people want to view the situation from that angle.

Serial killer sounds like the most logical answer, but some women may have left on their own. Were they involved in a bad relationship? Were any of them known for drugs or prostitution? Not trying to label any group in general, just trying to be logical. Risky behavior can be deadly for any person.

RW

Well obviously there are some social issues in these communities which would account for perhaps all these cases. But to read the fine research books The Hoopa Project and Tribal Bigfoot would be of some interest to some of you perhaps. The relation between sasquatches and Indians go back a long way. I know that I might attrack some nasty comments herein, but for all of you, just read these books before commenting, otherwise you may be talking through your hat. Just keep an open mind.

If your mind is too open, your brain will fall out. Try being more logical and ruling out the known before jumping to conclusions about the unknown.

And as I stated before (in reference to Thom Powell's book) Just because a book has been published, doesn't make it true.

Sure, I do not believe anything I read, gosh. But this investigation in California and that group appear to be serious. They are making some progress. I just wonder if you read these books. I make no conclusions, just curious to see what we will find in the next few years. In terms of evidence, an area that deserves to be carried on very seriously is the DNA analyses. I make reference to David Paulides and NABS, North American Bigfoot Search group.

It is one thing to discuss the history of NA people and the sasquatch.

It is another thing entirely to jump to conclusions about that history and insinuate that there is a direct connection between the disappearance of NA women and sasquatch.






Define progress. All the evidence I am aware of seems anecdotal.

I'm curious as to why they have gone missing, but that number also includes an unspecified amount that were murdered. Missing could be for a varietry of reasons, but consider that prostitution is legal in Canada, and so this may not necessarily be something that is defined by culture. With that in mind, I wonder how many women in Canada go missing each year, and the same in Nevada. I know that in places where prostitution is legal even, prostitutes are mostly transient and considered missing at one time or another.

Murdered, battered, the state of Indian women is troublesome, and govt should be doing more. But of course we destroyed their lief and parked them in reservations as a start, so what do we expect... Nothing more sad than paying someone to do nothing. Anecdotically, prostitution is illegal in Canada, and justice is doing something about it. But Indian women cannot be linked "en masse" to prostitution.

Just the same as they can't be linked "en masse" to bigfoot abductions either.

well the progress they are making will become obvious in a while. First they started from scratch, second the progress is in the serious way they investigate. No offense to amateur searchers, but putting some orders and studying the phenomena systematically will help in a longer run. But, without starting the discussion again, the more I look at the subject, the more I think that, one way or another, we need a body to get science interested. But I do not agree to hunt one, just counting on a big fat Mack truck on a mountain road at night...



But it is obvious. As I wrote:

Well obviously there are some social issues in these communities which would account for perhaps all these cases.

And to be conclusive we would need a woman coming back alive with her baby; that would generate some interest.

Ok, first of all my wife and family is Native American. I never linked native women "En masse" to prostitution. Any place where it is legal, you are going to have all kinds of people from different races doing it, and those that do will constantly disappear from whoever knows them at the time for various reasons. Often times they just had enough of the area they are at or see another opportunity elsewhere. Prostitution is legal in Canada:



Second, murdered, battered, or the state of native women and what the government is or is not doing is an entirely different situation than whether or not sasquatch is involved. Which one do you want to discuss? I can talk about either one, but will not confuse the two because they do not mean the same thing.

500 NA women minus 250 (assumed) runaways equals 250 (assumed) dead divided by 10 (assumed) different serial killers over the years equals 25 deaths per serial killer. Put just about any numbers you want in here and it's still significant.

That's a lot of death and a lot of killers. These women are the daughters, grand-daughters, mothers and sisters of a lot of men and women. Of these many people I would have to assume (again) that some would be very proactive, as in vigilante, in regards to the loss of their female family members. And if just one of these relatives were successful in finding the perpetrator of the death of their loved one, I would think that it would have opened up a plethora of evidence in regards to the deaths of other Indian women.

But nothing? I know this thread started with a question so I don't expect an answer, at least not from those that have already posted (nothing personal, it sounds like we're all hypothesizing here), but I find it extremely odd that neither tribal authorities, RCMP nor vigilante relatives have come up with anything. I mean we're talking about human beings here; not sheep, cattle, the mythical Bigfoot or anything else. Female human beings. 500 of them. That's not a little, that's a lot. But nothing? 500 missing human beings and no evidence.

Just seems mighty odd to me.

It does seem odd, and it also seems odd that this thread is the first I've ever heard of it! Something like that, you'd think it'd be known about world-wide.

Regardless of the intent. It is good that this was brought up. I was never aware of it and Norcal is right, it is disturbing. I did a bit of a search and came up with a group that is dedicated to stopping violence against Native women. It had some interesting information.



From same site:

Wow! Now that sounds more like it. The entirety of the sex industry is a sad tale of the outcome of abuse. It's not just the abusees but also the abusers- people, both men and women, who, for whatever reason put themselves in positions where continued abuse can propagate. I don't have an answer but at least in this case, it sounds like someone may. Thank God!

I just wanted to add something here that may explain where I was coming from in all of this as well.

Without going into any details, someone very close to me that I knew from a young age got involved in the "Sex trade". Basically it started as stripping, but she moved to Vancouver at some point and was working as a prostitute. The lifestyle is a pretty precarious one. For one thing, in order to get an apartment or semi-permanent place to live, you have to have a job that can be consulted. Prostitution doesn't have that. So you pretty much have to resort to living in hotels. This is expensive, so you have to turn a few tricks in order to just have a place to stay for a day. You don't have any records, really, as to where you are staying. This is what makes it a transient lifestyle. The hotel managers catch wind of what you are doing, or just get tired of it, they kick you out. Have to find another hotel, hopefully a cheap one, and usually not in a good area. Things get stolen. drugs and alcohol provide a release from the type of work and lifestyle, but also creates more desperation. Pimps offer protection but demand high payments and are often worse than the customers. Stealing from johns is not uncommon, as it's more money to help get through, but also is very dangerous and has it's repercussions.

All of these things combined make it very difficult for law enforcement to find a person that comes up missing, is killed, or just decided to move on. Growing up in the Pacific Northwest, and even knowing somebody who had found one of the victims of the Green River Killer, I'm sure many of you saw the difficulty the Seattle PD had in trying to apprehend the Green River Killer for these very same reasons. Here in Az we also have problems with prostitutes being found buried in the desert, but more often never found.

So that's where I have been coming from. No judgement here. Yes, these are our daughters, sisters, and friends.

Where I tend to object is sasquatch being involved in this sort of thing. Many legends of a monstrous being do have a purpose, sasquatch is often a figurative monster to warn youth of dangers especially found in humans, very similar to the story of Red Riding Hood, which also was a warning of sexual predators. But the idea behind that is that humans are more dangerous, and their weird psychological problems much more monsterous, than any other animal.

I think it is awesome that someone wants to do some research to see if any of these women could be related to a Bigfoot abduction.

I look forward to reading about results of this research.

Well stated Wolftrax.

Anyone interested in finding out what truly happened to these women should join one of the organizations that are trying to help. They could also work on getting these stories put out in the media more.

Spending time speculating about how a sasquatch is taking NA women for love slaves is asinine when you consider where these women went missing (downtown Vancouver, Manitoba, etc) The time and resources spent on speculative endeavors could be better spent in trying to actually stop the tragic reality of these women's lives.

Yes indeed. The Indians themselves are relating histories of such women. When it goes back one generation we cannot find any proof; it is just an oral history. But recent cases may be found and may explain why the sasquatch, despite the fact that he is obviously not a human ( hair, size, no neck, some with a sagittal crest, etc) has often a human face, so exchange of DNA, inter racial breeding, could have occurred or could be occurring. It may be why our governments (at least in the USA) through its army, appears to hide any bodies found killed on the road or in the eruption of Mount St-Helens as it was related.
I object to the pun-quote that prostitution is legal in Canada. What is prostitution? Making sexual offers in exchange for money, well this is illegal both for the offerer and the requester. And making a living with sex money is illegal, to catch the pimps.The only thing we can prove in a court of law is the offer and the exchange of money, because finding people involved a sexual act does not prove anything, you need to prove exchange of offers and money. So prostitution is indeed illegal in Canada, and anyone saying the reverse is misleading people. Who do you think we are, barbarians? So the quote: "societies where it is legal", as a tourist I know only Nevada and Amsterdam like that, not Ottawa or Manitoba!

Are you stuck in an alternate reality? The women that are disappearing are not gathering roots and berries in the woods. They are vanishing from cities.


As for the U.S Army to be involved in a conspiracy to hide hybrid sasquatch/NA women from the public....

I am done with you as there is obviously nothing I can say that would make any differences. I would ask however, that anyone who SERIOUSLY wants to help these women, contact a group that is working towards helping or finding them. Donate a few dollars or your time. Help get the word out to the media. Do something besides sitting at a computer fantasizing about conspiracy theories that are outdated in their view of modern NA women. As I said before, these women are not disappearing from the woods, they are vanishing in cities and towns where they are stuck in a cycle of sex, drugs and abuse.


I suppose fantasizing is much easier. It helps avoid that whole messy and complicated reality issue.

Redwolf

A human and non-human cannot breed. Where is any evidence that the army hides bodies found on the road, or the eruption of Mt. St. Helens and bodies? Let me guess, there is no evidence because the government is hiding it, the vicious circle excuse.




Prostitution is the act of sex in exchange for money. I provided a quote and direct link to a college course in law that dealt directly with that and explained that though it is legal, and it is, pimping and having a bordello as well as other things involved with it are illegal. Here is that quote again:




Even though you may be offended at the very thought of prostitution being legal in Canada, I did not mislead anyone, and if anyone chooses to they can read the link for further details on the laws of prostitution. Here is something of relevance:



No, I do not think Canadians are barbarians, just as I do not judge people who work in prostitution. My grandparents lived in Canada on the Gulf Islands and I loved every moment I spent there. I would never have known prostitution was legal there until, as I mentioned, one of my close friends went to Vancouver to work in the "Sex trade" specifically because prostitution was legal, and also another incident where a group of friends went to Vancouver and talked about how it was so open that groups of ladies were right there on the street making very direct full contact advances towards them in public.

This kind of thing happens all over, in just about every major city all over the world, whether or not it is legal.

I'm being painfully honest and relaying what I know. I am not misleading you, but if you choose to engage in your fantasy instead of facing the cold reality of the plight of many of these women, than you are the one misleading yourself.

Thanks Redwolf, for all of your good comments and really looking into this issue.

I am just curious to see how sasquatches would have a human face and have a similar morphology than humans if somehow they are not related to humans along a parallel course of evolution or from the same origins. DNA analyses will eventually clarify what they have in common with humans, if anything. I know interracial breeding is almost impossible because of several biological reasons, be it size, habits, number of chromosomes and many other biological reasons of incompatibility (except for the mule). At this time it is just Indian legends. The study must go on with good samples of DNA, and a serious group like this one I quoted is well placed to get some interesting findings in the future. Based on facts we can explain some of that in the future I hope. Now relax folks, no need to be offensive, I am not advancing anything except to say that all plausible avenues have to be studied, which I do not see much of herein. One allegedly saw a sasquatch, another is not sure (?), and they are curious but do not contribute much to solving all this (and neither am I). At least this group is getting some professional research done. They have not concluded anything yet, by the way.

Regarding the stories (yes that"s all we got, but isn>t it like the rest) of the army clearing the Mount St-Helens of bigfoot dead bodies after the eruption, we have the testimony of some firemen who said they saw that, but no other proof ( I am searching the quote, I think it comes from bfro.net ) and the case of bigfoot killed on the road is quoted in the book Tribal Bigfoot, but again no picture, I agree it is slim, but not out of character.

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msfitguy: There have been some interesting discussions about the possibilities of a coverup, and the consensus here seems to be, if I recall right, that local officials might passively want to keep sightings under wraps to avoid roiling the bureaucratic waters and having their superiors contradict them, but that an organized conspiracy or active coverup is unlikely.

I suggested that, if there's anything to the reality of UFOs, the people in charge of that coverup wouldn't want the reality of other anomalous topics to be established, as it would reduce the credibility of pooh-poohers generally, and that this attitude might play some part in lack of governmental enthusiasm for Sasquatch-Searching.

You could do a search on "coverup" and "cover-up" and "suppress", setting the Search parameter to Show results as threads.

I caught this story last week. There does seem to be an alarming number of missing persons in Canada where the person is an aboriginal female. The story I read was attempting to stress the fact that these cases may be overlooked because of the race and social status of the missing women. The story was attempting to draw more attention to these cases and possibly get them solved.
They may be having an impact; just today on facebook, there was an abmer alert for a missing 16 year old aboriginal girl in Canada.

There are far too many factors associated with these disappearances to jump to any BF conclusion. But there are also some details that warrant further investigation, and it looks as if the recent media attention is helping. One theme I keep hearing is that some of these women were last seen walking along highways. Well, if the allegations of possible prostitution are accurate, then the first and most likely conclusion is a human serial killer, or the women simply picked up and left for greener pastures. Serial killers will hunt where they feel the most secure, and in areas that they feel their actions may possibly go unnoticed or uncared for. This is why prostitutes are a favorite target. And prostitutes in remote areas could be even more tempting.

I think it's best to look at this from a human standpoint and hope more light can be shed on these missing women rather than trying to tie this activity somehow to BF.

Just my opinion.

Walking along highways could also be that they were simply hitchhiking instead of prostitution. In my younger and more naive days, I hitchhiked, and there again you leave yourself pretty vulnerable by getting into a strangers car. Out here on the Navajo Nation, out in the middle of nowhere and with long stretches of highway, hitchhiking is common.

Though most of the women may have been prostitutes missing from a city, we don't know that ALL the women fit this profile. I expect that the group doing this research will ignore all the city dwelling prostitutes and focus on native women missing from small towns where there have been recent Bigfoot encounters.

The book Paulides refers to in the Humboldt County chapter of Tribal Bigfoot was written by Lucy Thompson, a Yurok woman (published 1916) who said that the "Indian Devil" (Sasquatch) was kidnapping women from the tribe and impregnating them. We don't know it can't be done.

I still think this research project is worth doing, and who knows, maybe it will lead to a break in the missing prostitute cases too.

Although I should know better by now, I am simply amazed by some of the stuff in this thread.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/reade...3758/story.html

347 of the 520 the bodies were found, since 1970.
126 are classified as missing, since 1970

3.23 per year classified as missing.

Is that number really that high?
The first article was trying to focus on the 520 number, and not giving any breakdowns. On the surface 520 seems huge.

I've never heard of any women disappearing in that many of numbers. There was however a case where a pig farmer in BC was capturing and killing hookers, but he's in jail now. Fifty or so bodies of murdered prostitutes were found on his property. That's the only thing I heard of.

That pig farmer could very well be the truth behind all of this (or another like him).

Still too many. What if this were one of your friends, or a sister, or a daughter?

Like Stacy, the lack of common sense in a few of the posts here should surprise me...but it doesn't. The web is full of people who thrive on conspiracies and absolutely outdated notions of the lives of modern aboriginal women. These people are also completey ignoring some basic biology in order to further their bizarre fatasies.

Again, to anyone who really wishes to support and help these women, please contact one of the groups that are trying to help.

To those who wish to just sit at their computers and fantasize about Pochahontas in buckskins being raped by a big hairy sasquatch, I would ask that you seek therapy ASAP.


Redwolf

Right, one is too many.

However, for example, in 2006 in Detroit, there were 186 Homicides. Detroit is a city of approx. 900,000 people.

If you had 186 homicides per year for 39 years that would be 7200 homicides in the same time frame.

Here are some other stats.

Year Population Violent Crime Murder Rape Robbery Assault Property Crime Burglary Theft Car Theft
2006-- N/A ---------10,593---- 186----349---3,418--- 6,640--- 29,861 8,216 9,732-- 11,913---- 419

http://www.hellodetroit.com/crime.cfm

If the Bigfoot was killing women. It would be the shortest length of time between species discovery, and it's extermination.

There's been way too many women that have gone missing in BC, native or not. Highway 16 seems to be a particularly bad spot.

Indian is kind of a derogatory term around here (unless you're East Indian).

Personally I think it's just that BC is so vast and there's so many remote spots women can be taken advantage of no matter what you're DNA labels you as.

I'd also like to add that in legends women have been taken as wives or mates by various other animals as well, yet nobody here ponders that these women were taken to mate with giant snakes.

Suggested reading: Chapter ten of David Paulides' new book, Tribal Bigfoot. He has heard of Indian women being kidnapped and raped by Bigfoot from three different sources... and children resulting.

If you're concerned that I have an "outdated notion" about the lives of modern aboriginal women... please consider that I live in a small town in the mountains in Northern California that is predominantly Native American, not far from Hoopa where Paulides developed this theory based on evidence he's found in Humboldt County.

Let's see that evidence, let's see the kids.

I have no intention of reading Paulide's book. I can state an opinion on something without subjecting myself to the crappy writing styles of a bigfoot guru wannabe who has developed outlandish theories based on second hand stories with absolutely no supporting evidence. Sorry for the run on sentence, but I wrote it like I would have said it lol.

As Wolftrax said, show the proof.

Linda, as I stated, the women who have disappeared in Canada are not disappearing from the woods. Do you understand that? They are from the cities, they are involved in the sex trade, they are addicted to drugs, they are from abused homes and relationships and their disappearances are being ignored by their government and local officials. To think that sasquatch is responsible for these disappearances is beyond ridiculous. I don't care what book told you it was true and I don't care where you live, it doesn't matter. You are buying into some guy's fantasies about NA women and big beasts that he has developed based on tribal stories that he has taken literally. If you buy into that, then yes, I believe your view of NA women is rather degrading and outdated.


Again, it is obvious that you would rather sit back and fantasize about these disappearances than face the reality of what is truly happening to them. No, they are not being beaten and murdered at the hands of some drunk bastard or pissed off pimp...much better to think that they are bearing the love child of bigfoot.

Redwolf

Well there we go, there's our answer, problem solved, case closed, turn out the lights, let's all go home.

I'd sure love to see some medical documentation and photos of those bigfoot love-babies.

Yep me too. Bring on the offspring of bigfoot and native american women, or any women for that matter.

There is a tragedy happening in Canada involving women that needs some serious investigation by authorities. That's the important issue here. To jump straight to bigfoot kidnapping and raping NA women is illogical thinking to say the least.

I've heard of a fat man dressed in red coming down chimneys every year and toys resulting. It's in a book so it must be true.

Suggested Reading: The Night Before Christmas by Clement Clarke Moore

Great advice Red. I've taken this to a group that I'm involved with that works very hard to help find missing people. They are doing research as I type.




I agree T. I'd go so far as to say it's ridiculous.

JMO of course.

I'm not sure which direction this thread has gone but I have sorta read it and can say this.

Wolftax on post # 21.

jayleeD. Good stuff as well. Thats the stuff that makes a difference.

Lots of emotion on this topic.

I do know of a case though that has completely stumped everyone who has ever become involved or interested in it.

Thats the case of Stephanie Stewart.

To this day, it's not only unresolved but unimanginable as to what fate befelled her.

She does not fit any of the descriptions parlayed in this thread or any other profile of a dissapearance.

It's just a blank end.

I hope the link works and you all take the time to read it.

http://www.lastlinkontheleft.com/e2006other060826.html

Sounds like she was sadly a victim of foul play.

This case has been discussed and dissected by the group I'm a part of, but I bumped it back up after reading your post.