Jay, Thank you for showing the information on the Canadian Aboriginal women to your group. As I stated before, despite the reason for posting the information, I am glad it was posted. The more people made aware, the better the chances to solve one these mysteries.

Regarding Stephanie Stewart, has there been any clues at all? It is very strange and sad.

RW

Ms. Stewart probably fell victim to a human predator. Sounds like she was probably well known to be in the tower alone and secluded. That's just the kind of prey human predators find ideal.

Sad. I feel for all the families for all of the missing people.

First of all - I"m going to state the law as it stands in my country, Canada.

The selling of sex between two adults of sound mind is perfectly legal.
Negotiation - carried out in PRIVATE - is also perfectly legal.

Where the illegality comes in - as Wolftrax accurately pointed out - is in the activities associated to such acts. Living off the avails of prostitution and keeping a common Bawdy House.

Where most of the confusion comes in is the fact that prostitutes are arrested all the time on the street in Canada. That is because the street is not a private place - and - in Canada - neither is your own personal vehicle. Remember - communication for the purpose of prostitution is legal if it is not done in public in Canada.

Now onto the main topic - Missing First Nations women in Canada.

Unfortunately - the marginalized in society are sometimes lured into or forced into prostitution in Canada. Poverty, drug or alcohol abuse, abused as children - are many of the contributing factors.
First Nations people who leave the poverty and the hopelessness prevalent on many Canadian reserves often hope to better their lives in larger towns or cities - usually far from home. Unfortunately - they often discover that racism and discrimination are practiced far more in Canada than people are willing to admit. They find themselves far from home - no social or spiritual network to protect and comfort them - and they have no money for the necessities of life. Theft or prostitution are their only choices. As a whole - the taboo against theft is far greater than any social stigma against sex in the First Nations culture. Plus - it seems easier. Alcohol and drugs are needed to ease the pain and many self medicate to ease the horrors of their life.
It is a vicious cycle.

Like Wolftrax pointed out - hotel living is a must. The lack of a permanent address is a very big problem for police and social service agencies to keep track of people.

Now - we get to the dirty secrets. It is my humble opinion that the many of the members of the Vancouver City Police were responsible for many deaths relating to the Willie Pickton murders because of their racist attitudes towards the mostly native women who were reported missing. They were given enough information to put the case together long before the RCMP became involved. Yet - they didn't even bother to write it down - much less try and link it to the many cases of missing women.
Women died because the Vancouver City Police were given enough information to shut down Willie Pickton halfway through his long murderous spree and they did nothing.

Across Canada - many First Nations Women are marginalized - both on the reserves due to the Indian Act - and in the towns and cities because of overt and subtle prejudices. Serial killers are well aware of this. Serial killers are not mindless zombies - in fact - many of them are highly intelligent (but incredibly scary) people. To them - First Nations women are good targets because they know that far less attention will be placed on their disappearance than other people.

There is a problem locating or investigating the whereabouts of all people who do not have a fixed address. It can be done - but the amount of effort is directly proportional too many times to the missing person's social standing or race. "Gone back to the reserve", "Gone to another town to work her trade", become easy excuses instead of valid findings based on investigative work.

When I worked in areas with large First Nation populations - I was able to keep track of people far easier because a lot of the rules regarding privacy and civil liberties were not in place to the extent that they are now.
I believe that there was far greater trust between those of us that worked the reservations and the streets back then than there is now. We carried a six shooter in an old style cavalry holster and didn't have pepper spray, batons, or tazers. Bullet proof vests were never worn. You were a policeman - not a commando getting ready to storm the Bastille which is what my old compatriots look like now. How intimidating! (Don't forget that the RCMP tradition goes back to one officer meeting the entire fighting force of Sitting Bull after he crossed into Canada after the Little Big Horn Massacre.)

Losing one woman is enough. That woman is someone's daughter, and most likely a sister or mother herself.
I hope that police forces across Canada get back to the ideals of Sir Robert Peel that the RCMP were once proud to follow. He stated: The police are the people and the people are the police.
That is the only way that the First Nations are going to learn to trust the RCMP or any other police force as an institution again.
That is the only way the police personal are going to stop placing themselves above those that they are policing and treat everybody with respect.


End of RANT with apologies to all.


Edited to add...In all my years in working as a police officer with First Nations People and the years following working closely with First Nations in BC and Alberta in land claims cases - NEVER ONCE DID I HEAR OF ANY CASE OF A WOMAN BEING KIDNAPPED BY A SASQUATCH NOR DID ANY FIRST NATION PERSON SUGGEST IT - EVEN AS A JOKE.
Trying to paint First Nations people as superstitious buffoons that do not know the difference between their legends and reality is either a condescending racist attitude or a delusional fantasy.

Thank you very much for that input Rock. I was hoping you would chime in on this subject.




Given a few of the responses in this thread, I sadly think it's both.

What Red said, thanks Rock.

Well stated Rock. We have the same problem with peoples prejudices in several parts of this country too.

I do have a little theory why bigfoot may have kidnapped the indian womens or for any women that's out there. It's quite possible that the male bigfoot may have gotten tired of seeing their female bigfoot being so hairy and liked the smooth skinned females. Anything is possible ???

Hi

Welcome to the BigFootForums ~ I am curious as to why you think an animal such as a Bigfoot would be interested in smooth women ~ ?

Peace
Tim

Dude, that has to be the best 1st post I'ved read yet
Welcome aboard

Please don't encourage the trolls! This guy/gal signed up without including any data to their profile and their first post was in one of the most controversial threads?


TROLL!


Please don't bring up the "bigfoot taking native women as sex slaves" CRAP again. If you have any questions, just read Rocknkt's post above.

From that post

Enough said!

What?
Bigfoot is still kidnapping human sex slaves? SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

Yeah, I noticed that the first post from this person was in this thread also.
My wife already told me I can't use her for bait, so I guess we'll never really know for sure...

Two of those girls were from the community where I live. They went missing withing 6 months of each other and haven't been seen since. I personally took part in the search for one of them and the parents of the other one are clients of mine. I had a very heart to heart talk with the mother one day shortly after the disappearance. It broke my heart as I put my own daughter in place of what happened........very gut wretching. They still have searches now and then when the police get a new lead.

dave

Have you noticed how protective parents are these days? I have two lovely teenage daughters, and I don't even let them go to the corner store alone, let alone hitch hike. I even have the heebie jeebies about letting them go in pairs to the corner store. Predators have become much more aggressive, in my opinion. Sure, we have become so protective in part because the news is so immediate, and we all know about abductions almost as soon as they happen, on a global basis, it seems. But all the same, my girls are now graduating from being driven around by their mom, to driving around themselves in their own cars. Maybe (and sadly) the line is an economic one: I am in a wealthy enough family that I can stay home, drive my kids around, and buy cars for them when they get old enough. They were never kids that had to walk, catch the bus, or hitchhike--as poor, rural kids must have to. Since overwhelmingly in Canada at least aboriginal communities tend to be both more rural and more poor than the average Canadian community, they as a people group may simply be more at risk. Maybe there are simply more aboriginal girls out there on the roads compared to other people groups in Canada.

I know exactly what your saying vilnoori, I am one of those protective parents. We live approximately 8 miles from the nearest town in a private lake community and not only do we have to worry about the casual bears traveling through and the heavy cougar activity in this area we also have to worry about 20+ sexual offenders that have been release and currently residing in our community which by local laws we as a community can do nothing about regardless of the community system in place here. I won't even allow my kids to walk the 1/2 block it takes to get to their bus stop alone and between my wife and myself we keep pretty tight rains on them keeping them in sight at all times. It is saddening considering only just 30 years ago as a child myself us kids used to run all over god's creation without are parents having to worry too much. We wouldn't hesitate to walk or ride our bikes the 6 miles it took to get to town to visit other friends and as we got a little older it was nothing to throw the thumb up and hitch a ride. That is not to say that we did not have our share of weirdos out there back then as well as a few missing cases but it was still a much safer time and neighbors cared about neighbors. I think the newer generation of parents as well has let their guards down way to much when it comes to their children's sake and I do realize in this day and age it is a lot tougher to be a parent, I mean it's just fact that it takes both parents working to survive for the common low and sometimes middle class and in some cases working several jobs just to get by, but still feel that the responsibility still lies with the parent to be prepared before becoming parents. All too often I drive through town and see kids no more older than 5 - 8 yrs strolling the streets unprotected and I just shake my head and wonder where are the parents. It is disheartening but this is what we've allowed our society to become.



Wishing I was 10 again,

Filtereyez

If only there were more protective and involved parents. There is too much violence toward children in the world today. I'm not talking about the parents who are actively in charge of their children, try to know where their teens are at any given moment and practice as much vigilance as humanly possible. I'm talking about those parents who go out drinking leaving their small children home alone for vast amounts of time, and other such neglectful actions. Sexual predators are every bit as vigilant in their search for their next prey as any good parent. They watch your children even when you're not.

On the other hand if you've been listeninig to CNN lately at all what about poor little baby Gabriel and those poor children of the mothers who were torturing animals and forcing their children to watch, or that horrible woman who punished her little boy's bad grades by forcing him to kill his beloved hamster with a hammer. What has the human race become when examples like these are occurring more and more frequently.

I'll be singing this Friday evening in Vancouver at a memorial concert with the sister of a Robert Pickton victim. I can't seem to find the venue online but apparently there will be a fair crowd attending, including our mayor. Just want to take a minute and remember my friend Georgina Papin, also a Robert Pickton victim, and especially her 7 kids (possibly more) including twins who are growing up without birth parents not only because of this tragedy but also, farther back, because of the addiction and tragic upbringing of their mom. She was a bubbly, joyful person who tried to make the very best of her situation but who was overcome by her addiction and despair in the end. Goodbye Georgina.

http://www.missingpeople.net/missing_lives...rgina_papin.htm

Amen!

Weird post...if interesting.

Have you guys considered eugenics as a reason?

After all, if tens of thousands of indian women were sterilized since the 1920's - 1980's, It may still be going on in other forms.

Also 500 is not that many, how many women have been killed by that serial killer / drug dealers or traffickers in Juarez in the last few years....350+?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=101479041