Class B; September 2007; Illinois, Pope County
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I like reports where people who are not at all interested in BF stumble into something. The guy was making a bunch of knocking and branch breaking noises that probably echoed quite loudly in the canyon and got a response. I guess he dialed the wrong number. There is one thing that I find interesting in many reports, there are ongoing wood knocks or screams and howling or pinecone tossing and peole say that it continued until after I fell asleep. SLEEPING! Are you kidding me? If I was camping alone and heard any of those things I would not be sleeping unless of course the infrasound blast made me sleepy.
QUOTE(FanofSquatch @ Sep 20 2009, 01:41 PM) 
If I was camping alone and heard any of those things I would not be sleeping unless of course the infrasound blast made me sleepy.
Infrasound blast?
What a person thinks they would do in a high stress situation, versus what they actually end up doing, varies greatly. If a shoulder can sleep during random sniper fire or worse an average joe can catch some z's under much worse duress.
QUOTE(FanofSquatch @ Sep 20 2009, 02:41 PM)
SLEEPING! Are you kidding me?
Many times the mind is willing but your body lets you down. We had guys sleeping on ambush with armed Viet Cong walking around the woods. Bigfoot is small potatoes when you compare the threat.
QUOTE(Bitter Monk @ Sep 20 2009, 01:28 PM)
If a shoulder can sleep during random sniper fire or worse an average joe can catch some z's under much worse duress.
I hate it when my shoulder falls asleep!!!
Yes, everyone reacts differently. If that were me, I would have a hard time sleeping when I am 30 feet up in a tree...
By the way, this is a hypothesis, not a fact:
Wood knock reports are significant to the BFRO, in that they describe a behavior that no indigenous animals other than sasquatches engage in. Although the witness didn't see the animal that made the sounds, the only animals that are even capable of making such sounds are sasquatches, and humans.
As far as I know, no one has ever seen BF wood knocking, correct? At least I do not recall any reports of such.
Hi VA.
I agree with you that that would be a hypothesis and not a fact. But it is BFRO, and almost everything is a BF fact to them.
There is zero proof that knocking is associated with BF. But it is very easy for people to walk down a road, hear a wood-knock, and now be able to report that they've had an encounter.
How on earth anyone could claim this report to be a BF encounter is ridiculous. Not even any pictures or video? Was he not out doing research? And the noises stopped when the place filled with campers. He is doing cougar research in a campground? It's not like he's anywhere remote, so how can the knocking sounds not be possibly from another person?
This BFRO researcher claims that only human and BF are capable of creating wood-knocks. How does he know this? Has he studied all other animals enough to positively remove them from the list? I really doubt it. I've watched a moose make very loud wood-knock sounds. I'm sure that a bighorn sheep would be capable as well. And, umm, would a gorilla not be able to create a wood-knock? Also a chimp, and all other primates? Apparently not. At least according to this well-educated BFRO researcher.
Just more reason to not put much credibility in their apparent facts and very credible reports.
It seems like almost everything that is presented to them becomes credible. Very rarely, if ever, do they say a report is not credible. Or even that it could possibly be something else.
It's just my opinion, but I think that a report should have some sort of decent evidence with it, before it is placed in the credible file.
Can anyone actually think of any report that has any real evidence?
For that matter, can anyone provide any real evidence?
A track is not proof. Blurry photos and video aren't.
Outside of the Patterson film, which began all of this, has there been anything presented that can prove the existence of what it is that we are all intrigued by?
There was that Georgia body. Oops! Not quite. That was a close one though. I know some of my friends were freaking out, thinking that we had finally got proof. But....no.
I hope very much that BF is real. But the longer and longer that it goes with us getting no closer to knowing, suggests that BF is that much smarter than us, which is highly doubtful, or, that BF may unfortunately not exist.
Now, I know that if I were lucky enough to ever have an actual encounter, a sighting, that I would become a 100% believer. Even without any evidence. But it still is kind of frustrating that no-one can even get a non-blurry, non-faked photo or video. Or how about an actual body at some point. I actually wish that someone would finally shoot one so that the mystery would finally be over. That's sad, but it would put an end to the speculation.
I agree with you that that would be a hypothesis and not a fact. But it is BFRO, and almost everything is a BF fact to them.
There is zero proof that knocking is associated with BF. But it is very easy for people to walk down a road, hear a wood-knock, and now be able to report that they've had an encounter.
How on earth anyone could claim this report to be a BF encounter is ridiculous. Not even any pictures or video? Was he not out doing research? And the noises stopped when the place filled with campers. He is doing cougar research in a campground? It's not like he's anywhere remote, so how can the knocking sounds not be possibly from another person?
This BFRO researcher claims that only human and BF are capable of creating wood-knocks. How does he know this? Has he studied all other animals enough to positively remove them from the list? I really doubt it. I've watched a moose make very loud wood-knock sounds. I'm sure that a bighorn sheep would be capable as well. And, umm, would a gorilla not be able to create a wood-knock? Also a chimp, and all other primates? Apparently not. At least according to this well-educated BFRO researcher.
Just more reason to not put much credibility in their apparent facts and very credible reports.
It seems like almost everything that is presented to them becomes credible. Very rarely, if ever, do they say a report is not credible. Or even that it could possibly be something else.
It's just my opinion, but I think that a report should have some sort of decent evidence with it, before it is placed in the credible file.
Can anyone actually think of any report that has any real evidence?
For that matter, can anyone provide any real evidence?
A track is not proof. Blurry photos and video aren't.
Outside of the Patterson film, which began all of this, has there been anything presented that can prove the existence of what it is that we are all intrigued by?
There was that Georgia body. Oops! Not quite.
That was a close one though. I know some of my friends were freaking out, thinking that we had finally got proof. But....no.I hope very much that BF is real. But the longer and longer that it goes with us getting no closer to knowing, suggests that BF is that much smarter than us, which is highly doubtful, or, that BF may unfortunately not exist.
Now, I know that if I were lucky enough to ever have an actual encounter, a sighting, that I would become a 100% believer. Even without any evidence. But it still is kind of frustrating that no-one can even get a non-blurry, non-faked photo or video. Or how about an actual body at some point. I actually wish that someone would finally shoot one so that the mystery would finally be over. That's sad, but it would put an end to the speculation.
BitterMonk, I hope you picked up on my sarcasm with the infrasound. Dually, I see your point but the person stated that the knocks were aggressive and there was no wind. Sure a moose or big horn can rap a tree pretty good but repeatedly for hours at a time? Why? Sure apes and chimps are fully capeable but not native to Illinois. Another human is very possible so it kind of narrows the choices down and for me unexplained wood knocking probably comes from an unexplained source. I agree that virtually every report gets the credible stamp from BFRO but could there be a bit of niceness when publishing the report about the persons credibility just to keep from starting a stink. I wonder how many reports are investigated but not published due to credibililty issues or obvious alternative explanations. The only physical evidence is footprints and even the best are scrutinized and even the best super clear video will be picked apart and declared fraudulent so unfortunatly only a body will do, and I'll admit I gave the Georgia boys the benefit of the doubt when it first came out. I think that this report has some merit considering the aggressive woodknocking but I look at it as an unusual occurance in the woods that when added up with all the others may help put together the Bigfoot puzzle.
What kind of cougar research do you get up and leave from if you hear a few footsteps.
Is that so? Highly likely you say? Too remot huh?
I say go check out this guy and see where he was that night...
QUOTE( The BFRO Report)
Due to the circumstances of the report (the remote location, the inaccessibility of the dense area that the knocks came from, and the time at which they occurred), it is highly likely that the sounds were generated by one or more sasquatches in the area, and not by other humans.
Is that so? Highly likely you say? Too remot huh?
I say go check out this guy and see where he was that night...
QUOTE( From the BFRO Report)
OTHER STORIES: I know that there is a local guy who has found and casted several prints in the area.
QUOTE(VAFooter @ Sep 20 2009, 04:11 PM)
I hate it when my shoulder falls asleep!!!
Yes, everyone reacts differently. If that were me, I would have a hard time sleeping when I am 30 feet up in a tree...
By the way, this is a hypothesis, not a fact:
Wood knock reports are significant to the BFRO, in that they describe a behavior that no indigenous animals other than sasquatches engage in. Although the witness didn't see the animal that made the sounds, the only animals that are even capable of making such sounds are sasquatches, and humans.
As far as I know, no one has ever seen BF wood knocking, correct? At least I do not recall any reports of such.
Yes, everyone reacts differently. If that were me, I would have a hard time sleeping when I am 30 feet up in a tree...
By the way, this is a hypothesis, not a fact:
Wood knock reports are significant to the BFRO, in that they describe a behavior that no indigenous animals other than sasquatches engage in. Although the witness didn't see the animal that made the sounds, the only animals that are even capable of making such sounds are sasquatches, and humans.
As far as I know, no one has ever seen BF wood knocking, correct? At least I do not recall any reports of such.
Only one that I am aware of:
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...l=Raccoon+Knock
QUOTE(jamin19 @ Sep 21 2009, 01:34 PM)
I stand corrected! Had not seen that one before. So maybe all the tree knocks are just hunting tactics. If so, and most of the reports of tree knocks are true, then it seems to be an activity that is done on a somewhat frequent basis.
There is a good discussion about the wood knock sighting here. 
Hi Fan!
So, what makes a knock aggressive?
Because it is loud, does that mean that it must be aggressive? I don't see the connection.
If the knock were to the side of my head, I'd consider that aggressive.
But loud knocks in the woods, from unseen, unknown sources, can hardly be deemed an aggressive BF.
Why would a moose rap a tree repeatedly? The rut! Mating season. Because he can. Why would a BF, of unproven existence, rap a tree repeatedly?
I'm just trying to give rational, logical possibilities. That's all.
The ape/chimp thing was only pointing out how foolish the investigator's claims are. I wasn't suggesting they were in Illinois. But....would that be impossible? At least we have proof that they exist.
You are right. Unexplained noises do come from an unexplained source. That is 100% fact! But that does not mean that it is from a BF. Why would we not assume that it may possibly be from a moose, person, or other source, before claiming it to be from a BF.
I wasn't meaning to knock the reporter's credibility, or start a 'stink', or have a lack of niceness.
I WAS knocking the investigator's credibility. I'm absolutely sure that the person reporting this truly believed what they reported. That does not make it fact, however. The investigator immediately deemed it a BF encounter. That just isn't so. There are many other possibilities, and we should be just as open to them as well.
And now wood-knocks are attributed to BF hunting tactics. Let's see some proof before we make these claims, please. Or are we to just believe everything that we read or are told. Yes, they may have actually witnessed this, but I don't automatically believe everything that I read. Case in point, the Georgia BF body. Those guys opened up all our doubts again, as do all the stupid hoaxes. Damn those guys.
One thing that I do know, is that moose-season opened yesterday. And if I see a ten-foot tall, 1000 lb., hairy, red-glowing eyed, bloody-toothed, wood-knocking, window-peaking, , highway-crossing, arrow-grabbin', , rock-throwin', shape-shifting, invisible, red-orbing sasquatch, I'll almost have no choice but to put it on the ground to put an end to our wondering. And yes, it will die from a gun-shot. Just like a moose does, a grizzly does, even an elephant does. Water-buffalo are as tough as an animal gets, and they fall to a gun-shot. Or three. And BF will too. As far as having hesitations pulling the trigger on something human-looking? 10 feet tall, 1000 lbs, hairy, with red-glowing eyes isn't too human-looking to me.
As much as people hate to hear it, the best thing to happen, would be for one to finally be killed.
Do we all not want an answer? Do we not want proof?
Sorry for the rant!
So, what makes a knock aggressive?
Because it is loud, does that mean that it must be aggressive? I don't see the connection.
If the knock were to the side of my head, I'd consider that aggressive.
But loud knocks in the woods, from unseen, unknown sources, can hardly be deemed an aggressive BF.
Why would a moose rap a tree repeatedly? The rut! Mating season. Because he can. Why would a BF, of unproven existence, rap a tree repeatedly?
I'm just trying to give rational, logical possibilities. That's all.
The ape/chimp thing was only pointing out how foolish the investigator's claims are. I wasn't suggesting they were in Illinois. But....would that be impossible? At least we have proof that they exist.
You are right. Unexplained noises do come from an unexplained source. That is 100% fact! But that does not mean that it is from a BF. Why would we not assume that it may possibly be from a moose, person, or other source, before claiming it to be from a BF.
I wasn't meaning to knock the reporter's credibility, or start a 'stink', or have a lack of niceness.
I WAS knocking the investigator's credibility. I'm absolutely sure that the person reporting this truly believed what they reported. That does not make it fact, however. The investigator immediately deemed it a BF encounter. That just isn't so. There are many other possibilities, and we should be just as open to them as well.
And now wood-knocks are attributed to BF hunting tactics. Let's see some proof before we make these claims, please. Or are we to just believe everything that we read or are told. Yes, they may have actually witnessed this, but I don't automatically believe everything that I read. Case in point, the Georgia BF body. Those guys opened up all our doubts again, as do all the stupid hoaxes. Damn those guys.
One thing that I do know, is that moose-season opened yesterday. And if I see a ten-foot tall, 1000 lb., hairy, red-glowing eyed, bloody-toothed, wood-knocking, window-peaking,
, highway-crossing, arrow-grabbin', , rock-throwin', shape-shifting, invisible, red-orbing sasquatch, I'll almost have no choice but to put it on the ground to put an end to our wondering. And yes, it will die from a gun-shot. Just like a moose does, a grizzly does, even an elephant does. Water-buffalo are as tough as an animal gets, and they fall to a gun-shot. Or three. And BF will too. As far as having hesitations pulling the trigger on something human-looking? 10 feet tall, 1000 lbs, hairy, with red-glowing eyes isn't too human-looking to me. As much as people hate to hear it, the best thing to happen, would be for one to finally be killed.
Do we all not want an answer? Do we not want proof?
Sorry for the rant!
QUOTE(duallie @ Sep 22 2009, 02:05 AM)
Hi Fan!
So, what makes a knock aggressive?
Because it is loud, does that mean that it must be aggressive? I don't see the connection.
If the knock were to the side of my head, I'd consider that aggressive.
But loud knocks in the woods, from unseen, unknown sources, can hardly be deemed an aggressive BF.
Why would a moose rap a tree repeatedly? The rut! Mating season. Because he can. Why would a BF, of unproven existence, rap a tree repeatedly?
I'm just trying to give rational, logical possibilities. That's all.
The ape/chimp thing was only pointing out how foolish the investigator's claims are. I wasn't suggesting they were in Illinois. But....would that be impossible? At least we have proof that they exist.
You are right. Unexplained noises do come from an unexplained source. That is 100% fact! But that does not mean that it is from a BF. Why would we not assume that it may possibly be from a moose, person, or other source, before claiming it to be from a BF.
I wasn't meaning to knock the reporter's credibility, or start a 'stink', or have a lack of niceness.
I WAS knocking the investigator's credibility. I'm absolutely sure that the person reporting this truly believed what they reported. That does not make it fact, however. The investigator immediately deemed it a BF encounter. That just isn't so. There are many other possibilities, and we should be just as open to them as well.
And now wood-knocks are attributed to BF hunting tactics. Let's see some proof before we make these claims, please. Or are we to just believe everything that we read or are told. Yes, they may have actually witnessed this, but I don't automatically believe everything that I read. Case in point, the Georgia BF body. Those guys opened up all our doubts again, as do all the stupid hoaxes. Damn those guys.
One thing that I do know, is that moose-season opened yesterday. And if I see a ten-foot tall, 1000 lb., hairy, red-glowing eyed, bloody-toothed, wood-knocking, window-peaking, , highway-crossing, arrow-grabbin', , rock-throwin', shape-shifting, invisible, red-orbing sasquatch, I'll almost have no choice but to put it on the ground to put an end to our wondering. And yes, it will die from a gun-shot. Just like a moose does, a grizzly does, even an elephant does. Water-buffalo are as tough as an animal gets, and they fall to a gun-shot. Or three. And BF will too. As far as having hesitations pulling the trigger on something human-looking? 10 feet tall, 1000 lbs, hairy, with red-glowing eyes isn't too human-looking to me.
As much as people hate to hear it, the best thing to happen, would be for one to finally be killed.
Do we all not want an answer? Do we not want proof?
Sorry for the rant!
So, what makes a knock aggressive?
Because it is loud, does that mean that it must be aggressive? I don't see the connection.
If the knock were to the side of my head, I'd consider that aggressive.
But loud knocks in the woods, from unseen, unknown sources, can hardly be deemed an aggressive BF.
Why would a moose rap a tree repeatedly? The rut! Mating season. Because he can. Why would a BF, of unproven existence, rap a tree repeatedly?
I'm just trying to give rational, logical possibilities. That's all.
The ape/chimp thing was only pointing out how foolish the investigator's claims are. I wasn't suggesting they were in Illinois. But....would that be impossible? At least we have proof that they exist.
You are right. Unexplained noises do come from an unexplained source. That is 100% fact! But that does not mean that it is from a BF. Why would we not assume that it may possibly be from a moose, person, or other source, before claiming it to be from a BF.
I wasn't meaning to knock the reporter's credibility, or start a 'stink', or have a lack of niceness.
I WAS knocking the investigator's credibility. I'm absolutely sure that the person reporting this truly believed what they reported. That does not make it fact, however. The investigator immediately deemed it a BF encounter. That just isn't so. There are many other possibilities, and we should be just as open to them as well.
And now wood-knocks are attributed to BF hunting tactics. Let's see some proof before we make these claims, please. Or are we to just believe everything that we read or are told. Yes, they may have actually witnessed this, but I don't automatically believe everything that I read. Case in point, the Georgia BF body. Those guys opened up all our doubts again, as do all the stupid hoaxes. Damn those guys.
One thing that I do know, is that moose-season opened yesterday. And if I see a ten-foot tall, 1000 lb., hairy, red-glowing eyed, bloody-toothed, wood-knocking, window-peaking,
, highway-crossing, arrow-grabbin', , rock-throwin', shape-shifting, invisible, red-orbing sasquatch, I'll almost have no choice but to put it on the ground to put an end to our wondering. And yes, it will die from a gun-shot. Just like a moose does, a grizzly does, even an elephant does. Water-buffalo are as tough as an animal gets, and they fall to a gun-shot. Or three. And BF will too. As far as having hesitations pulling the trigger on something human-looking? 10 feet tall, 1000 lbs, hairy, with red-glowing eyes isn't too human-looking to me. As much as people hate to hear it, the best thing to happen, would be for one to finally be killed.
Do we all not want an answer? Do we not want proof?
Sorry for the rant!
My bold above.
Proof!?!? Is their any proof of anything concerning this subject? All we have are reports to read or stories to listen to. Each individual must make their own analysis and choose to believe something or not, until that proof comes along. Besides I wasn't claiming anything except for the fact that their is a report stating that the witness did view a Sasquatch performing "tree knocks".
QUOTE(jamin19 @ Sep 22 2009, 10:11 AM)
My bold above.
Proof!?!? Is their any proof of anything concerning this subject? All we have are reports to read or stories to listen to. Each individual must make their own analysis and choose to believe something or not, until that proof comes along. Besides I wasn't claiming anything except for the fact that their is a report stating that the witness did view a Sasquatch performing "tree knocks".
Proof!?!? Is their any proof of anything concerning this subject? All we have are reports to read or stories to listen to. Each individual must make their own analysis and choose to believe something or not, until that proof comes along. Besides I wasn't claiming anything except for the fact that their is a report stating that the witness did view a Sasquatch performing "tree knocks".
Right, when it comes down to it, all we have are reports... Those of us who have not seen one, that is all we can go on. And we have to decide if the report is credible...or not.
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