This was something i found on you tube while back, not sure if you guys already have a thread on this, and if you do, please paste a link. I find it intiguing, what are your thoughts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2TnbQBTDXY...re=channel_page

It did crop up last year, I think. If I recall, Bitter Monk suggested coyote and many of us nodded sagely. Asking me to find the post is like asking someone in boxing gloves to complete a Rubik's Cube. Sorry.

Not picking on BM but if you read most of his posts, everything is a coyote.
I grew up around coyotes as most people living in the United States have and while this very well could be a pack of dogs, it surely doesn't scream (no pun intended) coyote to me but then again, I'm not convinced that every sound made away from populated areas, is a coyote.

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Not everything. You can't forget about all the barred owls too.

BM is most likely right, but dang, if I was out on a camping trip and experienced that, I'd be freaked out, and I'd probably think "Bigfoot". Did you read the information about what happened in the camp at night while they were sleeping?

The deep woods can be a scary place when this kind of stuff happens.

Well,coyotes can produce a myriad of sounds,however,some of these long drawn out screams do not sound like a coyote howl. I have lived around the mountains for most of my 43 years(except a 10 year stretch at Myrtle Beach)and have heard coyotes make a lot of weird and crazy sounds,still,the ones that intrigue me are the ones that seem to resonate from something much larger than a coyote. I have heard howls that were so throaty and deep that you could almost feel it. Its hard to describe until you hear one in the middle of the night and alone in the woods....you just KNOW that it isnt a coyote. I do agree with BM on one thing,many of the audio recordings of supposed sasquatch are simply coyote and owls..but their are a few that are not either and these are the ones we need to focus on.

Very true Bitter Monk!

I just got back from a few days in the bush up next to Soapstone Lake off of hwy 53, here in Oregon and coincidentally we had coyotes screaming all night all around us. A friend of mine from Portland was along for his first BF outing and was terrified at the sounds the dogs were making! At one point, he thought it sounded like a woman being attacked and wanted to get closer to see if that's what it was. Well, he got laughed at and I explained that he would never be able to get close to them but he was really shook up for bit. It really is eerie sometimes though. I think that to someone not familiar with the spooky sounds these dogs can make, they can sound like a myriad of things , hell they sound creepy to me and I've been hearing them my whole life!

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I love being from Australia - no coyotes, no bears...

What about the print? Doesn't look like an owl print...

Man you aint kiddin! I've recorded some of the weirdest, coyote howls, screams you'd ever wanna hear. Downright freaky! Foxes have at times have an impressive vocal range too. But to me, Barred owls are the kings of undescribeable vocals! Arklatex

I see a bear print, hear coyotes in the background, and I'm gonna say those were red crossbills calling somewhere close to the camera at one point.

Re: coyotes making extra deep, "throaty" calls primarily in the dead of night - any chance the atmospheric conditions in the middles of the night or right at dawn play some role in the weird qualities some of these calls take on?

My expereience with coyotes is that the don't do long drawn out howls it is a series of yelps that kind of blend. Granted I have only heard the desert variety here in CA so my knowledge is limited. I will say that the clip is interesting if you listen it is similiar to other screams but too far away to really tell what it is.

The time of day doesn't ring true for coyotes to be responsible. I understand that there are exceptions to the "when coyotes call" rule but most often, they are at night or very early morning (predawn). Not too many dogs will be calling like this during the day.

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I'm not really an outdoor's type, and have very little familiarity with coyote calls, but that really is a freaky noise.. The poster of that video even emphesized on the sheer volume of that animal. The sound even resonates in the clip it self, and you can tell it must have been very loud whatever it was.

Even the guy that was filmed in that video must have been spooked by it.. You could tell by the way he was walking so cautiously towards the noise.

The tracks are bear, i think if you look close enough you see the over lapping, however that sound does have a whooping yell nature to it, as well as some familiarity to some of the known suspect recordings from washington.

What does all this really mean? nothing much, however it makes for an interesting discussion.

I do know that wolves can make those deep throaty growls that you can feel. I've heard those. No idea about coyotes, I've never heard anything but the distant yapping from them.

It's hard for me to have an opinion on the sounds in that video. Animal vocalizations take on different characteristics when distance and woods are involved. I've heard our wolves howling while I was in a tree stand in the woods behind our house and it sounded so eerie coming through the trees.

The animal calling in the woods has immense volume and return echo which probably does not match a small predator like a coyote. If would have to be a larger animal and don't know if bears make this call when distressed.

Here are some bear calls. The cub distress call may be about right if the bear was older. This one sounds like a screaming human baby but add a few years and what would it sound like?

http://soundbible.com/tags-black-bear.html


Now a coyote call: http://www.entertonement.com/collections/827/Yosemite-Coyote



Listen to the 3 and 4th sound recordings down of reported BF.


http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/sounds.php




Look at the bear prints. Hard to see claw marks in the video. The foot looks like it has a long heal and midtarsal ridge.

http://www.bear-tracker.com/bear.html

That's what I was thinking as well, grew up around coyotes, never heard them call like that during day before... And I am just not sure a coyote has the lung capacity for some of those long drawn out calls with that much volume to it...

Compare the sounds to these known coyote calls:
http://sasquatchsearch.tripod.com/sounds/POORCOYPACK.MP3

http://sasquatchsearch.tripod.com/sounds.htm

Thanks for the link, wolftrax. Illuminating to say the least.

It sounded to me very much like the Klamath recording. Could it be possible that the guys in this video were hearing someone call blasting in the distance?

It could have been call blasting.

The Klamath recording was a presumed BF, but noone seems to know another animal that has the volume and sustained echo ability to make such a call. I know a full grown distressed bear must make some kind of awful call but who knows?