Thermal image?

Saw this and wanted to ask if this has already been covered?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMfGSiAuVt8...feature=related

Not much there but I was wondering what everyone thought? Admin, If this is copyright protected, I apologize.

Cheers

Yes, this is Don Young's recent thermal recording. I think it's from early this year, or maybe last year.

infrablob...

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More expedition selling propoganda... More than likely anyway.... Could be anythinig from an Elk, to a Bear, Cow... Person...

Could easily be faked, but then again it might be real so we need to know more about the person behing the film.

To be fair, you really need to watch the video clip not a couple of screen shots.
If you then think that's an elk, I'll forward my eye doctor's phone number to you.

"infrablob..."


Thermal cameras have a place in research but the recorded results will always be the same.


Bob

A full discourse about thermal imaging is in here, for an example. Alot of thermal theory is explained, and it's implications in BF hunting.

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...e's+thermal

This BFRO example is just what a problem thermal is. This shot seems to be about 100 feet away, and just shows a basic outline of a humanoid. Without some kind of telephoto lens, you won't get a good clear shot of what it is. Thermal imaging was never designed for this type of application of detail. The resolution is so low, that details will never come out, unless the subject is within 40 feet or so, or unless you have a telephoto lens attached to the camera, to compensate for the low resolution. None of the thermal cams out there have a real telephoto for that use, yet. The only real use for thermal at the moment, is just for finding something. Evidence will have to come from another way, after you find it with the thermal.

Send it on over! Would love to see it.

A comparison photo of the area in daylight could help gettin' an idea sizewise of the subject filmed ?

Pat...

I've seen a number of cases where a distant photo is reported to be something, claiming it moved off, yet the reporter/researcher doesn't have a control shot. So, you're still unable to tell if it's a tree stump. One or two control photos from a slightly different perspective would clear that up, but people seem to forget that simple step.

Good points. So trying to prove BF has been filmed is difficult unless we have accurate control shots with height and width measurements. If the subject is captured running or accomplishing some super human feat, then a human may be ruled out.

Will close thermal shots indicate body hair?

I would like to know about the videophotographer? Is the person credible?

Here's some blown up and sharpened images from 1:43-1:44, definitely a biped when you look at the movement on the film. Maybe the face appears cooler in these stills since there is no fur to keep the temperature up?

Just out of curiosity, how many of these animals are nocturnal?

That reminded me of someone finding a good bush... squatting... doing their business, standing to zip up and then leaving. I'm sure my good buddy Bart will be along to explain, but that's what it reminded me of. LOL

Thermal cams with telephoto lenses would end these debates. I've talked to Bart about this and we're trying to McGiver something to our thermal cams. Being able to zoom into a thermal hit, would show the details of hair, eyes, mouth, etc, just like the examples seen in pictures of close ups of people. Until then, thermal imaging is more of a finding tool, and nothing to be considered as real evidence. You can use thermal cams in the daytime, btw. Use it to find, then get other evidence with other means.

Either a Person of a BF for me & it runs off at the end, stooped, & it's as clear as day for me...

Whether it's a set up or not is something i can't answer but i'm as sure as sure bacm be it's a Person or a BF..

Wow, they caught someone taking a dump in the dark.

mmm.. I think the difference is obvious, but that's just an opinion.

For example.. this attachement is not a squatch.. which hopefully is just as obvious.


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If by nocturnal, you mean pre-dominantly active at night... I would say none. However, I have seen Elk, Deer, and Cow at night when out camping, so it should not exclude them as possible culprits... Also, people are not "nocturnal" by nature, but whats stopping somebody from goofing around in the woods and having it show up on a Thermal camera?

I agree that a telephoto lense would end the debate but disagree 110% that thermal imaging is merely only sufficient as a finding tool. From the appropriate distance, as I said before with much experience with these units, it is the judge and jury and someone would have an extremely difficult, if not impossible time explaining why a subject within appropriate distance boundaries (not in the case of the footage that's the topic of this thread) is void of clothing and more importantly shaped the way it is. Couple that with if hypothetical thermal footage also caught extremely unique physical behavior.
Any day I should be receiving this unit which has a built in SD card and doesn't need an external hard drive (which will likely give off minimal light):

(http://thermalvideo.com/thermal-imaging-systems/flir_h-series.htm?gclid=CKi9q-jypp0CFQ0aawod-Ayo_g)

Furthermore, resolution is much better then the X200xp we've been using and I had my sighting with. X200's have a res of 160x100 compared to the H-series which is 320x240. Big difference as I've seen this res in the PathfindIrs. Much darker & more detailed.

I should also mention that I went back to my sighting location after two years and one month a few weekends back and was shocked to learn that for the majority of my encounter I was only 33 yds away & angled looking from further right to left, not the 50 yds that we roughly estimated an hour after it happened. I first spotted the subject at 50 yds but worked my way much closer then I thought. We didn't do exact measurements back then because we didn't want to loiter around an area that would've been a likely return entrance should the subjects return the last night. I also had Ranger Leiterman film me in the small window the subject stayed in during the duration of the roughly two-minute encounter imitating what the subject was doing (filmed during mid-day however instead of night). On one end I'm not surprised that I was actually closer as I always felt that I had to have been, I'm just surprised by how much I overestimated the distance.

Here's a few shots of me in daylight imitating the subject when it stood frozen with its back to me from the actual distance I was that night & in the exact location it was in in 2007.

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Thanks Bart!
That is a lot closer than I had imagined it in my head. I also looked at the FLIR H-series, WOW, nice unit. Can I ask how much it cost you?

Also one other thing to point out...
As I've lurked and posted over the past two years in various BF forums, I've noticed something disturbing. There are times when evidence is judged based on the source, rather than the evidence itself. Specifically, I see a lot of evidence presented by the BFRO immediately get trashed here. I understand that there are some painful memories between some long time posters and the BFRO, but I still find it disappointing when things like the above thermal video are immediately debunked simply because they came from the BFRO.

Bigfoot research is not a competition. Sure, feel free to hold onto old grudges if that is your thing; it is certainly your right. But just because evidence emerges from a group you don't like does not mean it is bogus.

Ok, stepping off the soapbox now. And no, I am not affiliated with any BF group of any kind.

Hey Spaz-

The command unit is 6k retail. Much cheaper then the 9-10k L3 made X200xp's. I think we're really starting to see some market competition combined with thermal becoming more commercialized as opposed to just military, fire & security. Through my dealer, I know the target buyers for these H-series units is law enforcement agencies with both, large and small departments.
What I'd still like to see eventually other then telephoto lenses as Graz mentioned, is internal audio components. For us it's a no-brainer how we could benefit, but just think how much more police departments would benefit recording while physically chasing suspects.

If anyone hear thinks the Don Young thermal video is intersting, the Mike Greene thermal is incredible!

I'm sure many of you have seen it but here's the link anyway. http://www.bushloper.net/see.html

It's $3 a pop but worth it.