Whats good people, my first thread, Please read all the way through. With Usain bolt recently smashing physical boundries, how would BF fare. I always had the idea Patterson BF was elderly. So lets talk about a 8-9 foot prime male BF, Im jus basing this reports ive read (Which arent alot). ive read things like BF being on all fours and launching itself, In the Cow man story It charged at that kid on 2 feet. What im saying is BF not as slow and retarded as we thought. For smothing of that size, to pick up speeds lke that and be able to jump on all fours. It must have some serious explosive power and twitch reflexes. Have you ever seen a 6'5 plus person run (bar Usain Bolt), them guys are hella uncordinated and when they do gain some sort of speed, they find it hard to maintain. This why i think BF is more human or superhuman then primate. Here's Somthng i found written about Usain

'What is the physiology that underlies this advantage? Very difficult to say...explosive muscles, certainly. Muscle power, yes. But there's something there that no scientist can measure. I believe the big difference is neurological. It is the ability of the brain/central nervous system to control and co-ordinate the muscles, creating the spring. There is something called the stretch-shortening cycle, where energy that is stored on landing is harnessed during the push-off phase, so that the muscle-tendon unit acts like a spring.'

'I believe (and this is a bald assertion, admittedly) that what sets Bolt apart is his muscle tendon unit, and the ability of the brain to co-ordinate the timing and sequence of muscle activation'.

Now here is somthing very intresting, here is a whippet with missing genes.

Muscle Whippet
Muscle whippet vs normal whippet

As you can see she destroys the other whippet in terms of size, Heres her condition

'Wendy has a muscular mutation that results in extremely bulked muscles. This condition is known as myostatin related muscle hypertrophy, or more simply, double-muscle.

Through a two base-pair deletion in the whippet myostatin gene (MSTN), and a subsequent rejection of myostatin by muscle cells, Wendy has very fast muscle growth and repair, at levels where she has quickly grown up to hulking proportions.

The increased muscle mass, along with metabolism and extremely low levels of body fats, can translate to impressive super-feats, including marked increases in speed, agility and power.'

Now this even more strange, a young kid in america was born without the gene, Liam Hoekstra.

'A 21 month old toddler from Michigan with myostatin deficiency, he has 40 percent more muscle mass than normal, jaw-dropping strength, breathtaking quickness, a speedy metabolism and almost no body fat. Liam came into the world with many birth defects. He had a small hole in his heart, enlarged kidneys, frequently vomited and was born four weeks premature. Medical records indicated that his biological father was “unusually strong'

'Two days after birth, he was able to fully stand-up and support his own weight. Months later, he began developing ripped abs, naturally doing pull-ups, inverted sit-ups,'

I think its highly possible BF has this gene missing.

'For Liam, the condition has one potential drawback: Infants and toddlers need some body fat to feed brain growth and the development of the nervous system'

This would explain why BF is not as clever as us. And also why Bigfoot is so ripped, personally i cant see BF working out to get that physique.

I think BF is a Direct relation to human, We've just evolved in different ways. Humans brain have evovled at a faster rate. But Physically BF is far more advanced. Why we've evolved differently, i dont knw. But the scary thing is Usain Bolt has shown Humans are still evolving dramticly. Which can only mean BF must be evolving mentally. I mean imagine what athletic feats are going to be reached in next 150 years. If BF is still around then, we could have a highly intellgent, physically superior being on our hands. Am I getting too carried away? Anyway jus somthing to think about. Thanks for reading.

Edit*** I meant to put this in general discussion,can it be moved?
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Its a theory. Thing is, might they have evolved the way they have because of their surroundings? The way they live?
As far as Bolt goes, could he just be an anomally? Could he be juicing it?
Things develop to fit their surroundings and the way they live. The strongest person I've ever met was my brother-in-law. After years of being a pipe-fitter and swinging 2 and 3 foot pipe wrenches, he was amazingly strong. I've worked with him in the past, and have seen him on many occasions throw a hundred pound Ridgid pipe machine up on his shoulder like it was a 2x4. The first time I tried that, I almost threw my back out. But, over time, I developed the muscles to do such a thing.
I recall coming home from work with him, and my hands were just shredded from screwing together 3 and 4 inch steel pipe. But again over time, my hands toughened up, and it wasn't a problem.
Sasquatch, if in fact it does exist, has adapted itself to its environment. I dont think you can attribute that to some kind of genetic anomally.

Yeh its a theory, i didnt mean for it to come across as if im saying this ish is the truth. Bolt's defiantly not on drugs, he gets tested the most out of all of the sprinters. Even if he was juicing it would have nothng to do with his physcal makeup, his co ordination etc. It just makes you train twice as long as you usually would.

I hear what your saying. I just think that these things evolved in a way that helps them survive.

'Sasquatch, if in fact it does exist, has adapted itself to its environment. I dont think you can attribute that to some kind of genetic anomally.'

Dunno man, plenty of tribes in africa live in similar conditions (apart from the heat). Their preadators carry the same sort of dangers. These tribes havent evolved physically so much, but they have mentally , making weapons etc. Im tryna say BF MIGHT evolve in a different way, more physical based. Which im saying may down to their genetic make up.

BF evolved to it's highest for it's environment, pure beef, like other great apes. Even the smaller great apes can rip you to pieces. We left the woods, and developed tools to work with, and lost our physical properties over time, and it's getting worse. Just visit a mall, hehe. Other races of humans are at various levels of "relaxation" and show various levels of strength and power. Humans are devolving, in my view. The brain, at the expense of the body.

Grazhopprr
you say that like evolution is a fact, but in fact. evolution is not! it is nothing more than a theory.
but i will go with joey 70's and state that BF has adapted itself to its environment, as we al have .

It ruffles my feathers a bit when someone refers to Saquatch as a "Great Ape".

We truthfully have no idea if this is the case, and I personally do not think that is what Sasquatch is, unless of course you also consider we humans as "Great Apes"

From what I've read SQ seems to be an intelligent, and certainly at least a shrewd animal. It knows to avoid human contact unless desperate for food, it appears to have migratory habits and doesn' seem to stay put in one spot (though perhaps this is true only of the PNW squatch since they have such a large continuous largely uninhabited area).

I don't have much faith in the anomaly argument, much as I may enjoy it as a science-fiction concept. Michael Phelps seems to have an abnormal physique directly suited to his chosen environment. There are probably squatches anomalous to other squatches, but whether they get discarded (for good or for bad) from the genetic pool, who knows... I always step back and wonder about my own thoughts of this issue when I hear talk of the eye glow. It's so hard to believe even when very believable people discuss witnessing it.

Interesting Joey70s...when BF is finally brought to the table we may have the answer.

Done.

Thank you Oregon.

Must . . . resist . . . urge to lecture . . . GAAH! . . . on what the word. . . OOMPH! . . . "theory" means in science . . .



Whew. I made it. That was a close one. I really almost responded.

Interesting discussion, Joey70s. Neat links! However I think that WE are the anomaly, if you know what I mean? It's true that all the other great apes, like most animals, have a lot more strength than we do. Perhaps a genetic modification in the other direction, that is, in the formation of more white fat vs. brown fat, greater muscular absorption of myostatin, less strength, less robust bones and teeth, as well as a bigger, better brain in which abstract thought and language is fostered, resulted in humankind's unique dominant position among all the created beings which have evolved on this planet.

I have always wondered if there was a tie in with BF size vs. endurance. I have a friend from High school football who was a lineman, he trained for rapid bursts of power and it worked he could launch like lightning and hit like a truck but would be exhausted at the end of a short run. He is big like a Sasquatch 6'6" and 340 as a senior in HS. Would BF be able to take in enough food to maintain his mass and use it? I would imagine that it is a daily struggle for BF to eat let alone eat enough. I heard a trainer at the gym say that African Americans are able to build more muscle faster than others because of genetics but I don't believe that he has any basis for this and was just his opinion. I guess my point is that for its size and environment BF would have to have some sort of genetic anomoly just to survive.

first off joey, I do think think patty was a bit slower than a normal bigfoot (whatever that may be) but she might have been with child, just an idea I have been kicking around for some time......that would explain her sluggishness.........that might explain her large pendulous breasts, lol

whos to say if evolution is the correct way we developed, that we are the big guys ancestor, not the other way around, maybe he developed from us instead of the other way around.......

if evolution is true, im sure the gene pool was spiked around 15 to 20000 years ago.....something different happened because we are the only animal that dosent live according to our ecosystem, kinda makes you think on that fact alone.......before I start talking ancient Sumerian texts lets just say I dont think we developed naturally.......

good discussion so far!!!

Um, we are....

i haven't been following this thread but i've slipped in and out a few times and i just had to ask what exactly was the alternative to evolution if it's nothing more than a theory? for the record, if the answer is a religious one, no answer is needed.

and i am fairly certain that we humans, are primates or a "Great Ape" so i think that it's not too far of a stretch to assume that BF might be somewhere along those lines as well?

much cheers!

Humans are "apes". We just went off in our own branch, and the variance of races within the human line, depend on what direction we went. I don't like the term "primate". That's a bit of an arrogant term, putting humans above the others. Every form from the source branch, outward, is perfect for it's own environment. Cromagnon, Neanderthal, are other branches. We can't put ourselves above what we allegedly "come from". They were good for their time and place. Their lines ended, and life moved on without them. Just because humans developed a more complicated brain, doesn't mean we've advanced. Gorillas and Bf, might actually be better off, as far as nature is concerned. Humans may be mutants, or even a mistake that took over. It's all in how you look at it.

Nicely put Grazhopprr.

I'm sorry, but to my mind there is no doubt whatever that our moon walking, space-reaching, music inventing, artistic, scientific, mathematical, time-and-space gazing, self-actualized, evolution-creating (yes, humans are taking over evolution now that we can genetically modify things) species is more advanced. We are the primate of primates. A little lower than the angels, indeed. Who can seriously doubt that!

But we have our limitations, mainly the fact that we are so darn self-centered. The human species just needs to grow up. And I think it will. Someday.

Where did you get the idea that the term 'primate' puts humans above apes? You can google it.

Primates

Joey70s, It's a great theory. It's fun to think about ancient civilizations casting away sickly children that beat the odds and survive into feral beings. Well..... it's not fun thinking about the casting away part, only the survival part. But it would be cool if they had the myostatin gene mutation. Sorry, that sounds weird too... but it would still be cool. It's not that common, but it is among siblings.

I also think it would be rare to have a young child survive in the wild even if they can do pull ups on day two. It can happen, but it's too rare for a population. I have no idea about the evolution theory but I think I remember that the people that have a myostatin gene mutation are of normal intellect.

Fun topic man. Good arguments. A thread is not a great thread until it has a good old fashion ape fight. Which it does.

Cool thread!! It made me think, that maybe we all started out as bigfoots, until the aliens crossbred with them a long time ago. , then our brains got bigger like the alien's, and our stature got smaller and weaker too. And the BF are the leftovers of the original race. Right?