Might be interested in this Autumn Williams blog on Habituation...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gU_dCDL99U

Very interesting stuff. I read Valley of the Skookum, written by Autumn's mom, and apparently they lived near quite a few of them.

very informative new video indeedy

Very intriguing indeed. Smart gal.

Thank you Autumn, that was great!

BRAVO BRAVO Autumn , you are dead on with that blog !!! Everything you said rang true for what I and my grandmother experienced as I was growing up .


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Nice blog, and well said. However, I challenge anyone with a "habituation" to pull up any type of proof. My experience tells me that anyone claiming "habituations" is full of s**t. If there is anyone with habituation going on that isnt full of s**t, prove me wrong. Please.

All valid points. It's about time somebody voiced the appropriate concerns. Well done, Autumn.
Dudlow

Well said RiverRun. You know, I like Autumn, I respect Autumn, but come on this is just a bit silly
"if we try to collect proof, we run the risk of offending our forest friends" . Done! Out !

If you try and take a picture they go away never to return. To bad this isnt true or my dog and
all those deer would have never been seen again.

Then this statement, " you are scared to let your children play in thier own yard because you
dont know what the sasquatch would/could do to them". So you keep them in the house. Hogwash!
No, you take care of the problem, even if it means killing or someway driving the animals away so your
children can be safe.

This is why I hate hearing about habituations, because they make us all sound like complete
stark raving loons. They live under my kids swingset but I cant take a picture or video of an animal,
I cant make casts of foot prints, I cant make a recording because I might, get ready, OFFEND THEM!

I am with you RiverRun, Habituators show me hard proof until then its all bovine droppings.

dav

I got the exact same feeling from the video as Davsquatch. "Sasquatch is too holy to be discovered unless you join our habituation cult".

I see wild animals all the time at my home. I see the same ones everyday. Maybe you could call that a habituation. But guess what? I photo them and video them often. They always come back too. Amazing.


People who claim habituations and have nothing to show for it (hence, all habituation claims seeing as no one has produced anything) are full of it. I see loons here too. (of the animal kind! haha)

Due to dial-up issues, I cannot get the video to play. Can someone give me a straight forward synopsis?

Is Autumn claiming that she has a habituation site established?

she says " I was the child of "long term witnesses". She does not insinuate this is ongoing now.

dav

Thanks Dav.

So her mother had a habituation site? Not sure where the term habituation refers to. Like others, I have very little faith in anyone who claims habituation and has no proof...only convenient excuses.

agreed red. I hope you get to see the video, the longer I watched the closer to the ground my jaw got.


dav

So i watched it and the gist of it is, "Be careful with these researchers that are coming out of the woodwork to study your pet sasquatches because they will chase them away".
Really?
C'mon folks....

Hmmm, not really sure wht shes getting at. Are habituaitions really that prevelent nowadays as shes going on about? or even ever? Cow man springs to mind. Would experts really turn their focus to that, ah im confused. Shes looking aight for 36 though still.

So what is being sold here? What I heard is to not trust just any researcher but one (like Autumn) who has experience in these special types of encounters. I didn't know that habituation reports were getting more prevalent, but I am also not going out of my way to investigate them after having done so many times before. I have developed a theory behind the ones I did investigate and every time I learn of new ones, just a cursory look shows me a pretty good fit to it.

Very slick. Kind of like when T. Powell asked MM of the BFRO if he could have the oddball reports no one could, would or wanted to investigate and then produced a book based on them. Wonder if MM gets a royalty check from their sale?

Isn't it obvious whats being sold here? A researcher goes to one of these "habituations" and finds nothing. Is it because nothing is there?
NO. It's because the researcher scared off the Squatches with their camera.
A camera is sasquatch kryptonite it renders them invisible.

Yep, that's why I just use a cheap digital voice recorder, drop it accidentally when I'm near a hot spot and wait
for Bigfoot to do a little dance around it trying to get out of the way before giving in to the sudden urge for a karaoke session on the cheap.

Then I get the latent prints, the sound recording and hopefully a good cast and prints of the dancing feet!

Maybe you could rig up some kind of paint trap with a spray gun and a motion detector.

Nice one "LOGAN"

Sasquatch also cannot fly like they normally can when within sight of the camera being able to take a picture of him. I'm quite surprised that we do not get more reports of flying sasquatch.

That's the bottom line..

You can't sell your story of saying you saw a Sasquatch so the newest thing is "habituation". So called researchers are looking for stories to sell to make money. When asked honestly they will admit they really don't want to know the truth. I have been involved with that kind of thing and it is all about money.
The truth is that anyone with real knowledge has no outlet to tell their story. For me I could continue showing you things that suggest that they are Sasquatch related, but if I did then I would be letting the cat out of the bag as it were. I don't think that would be good. The fact is that they are out there. I don't believe they are curious or have any care about us, other than they clean up the forests and land for us. They appear to be the managers of that domain.
As for habituation: I have been trading things with them for years now. Do I have proof? Yes. Only my close friends know of it, and unfortuately another being knows some of it. I have released some stories of this but have not released my last years research. I am at a cross roads. I feel that if I tell anyone about this that things will get out of hand. It is best that people say they saw one and leave it like that.

When they are somewhere...you will know and there will be proof! It is that simple!

A couple of things about this that strike me... DDA has investigated several of these claims and found them to be highly suspect, as he said:



I wonder what that theory might be?

Another point is that these habituators are always women. Diane Fossey and Jane Goodall immediately come to my mind. Are women, as instinctive nurturers, automatically good at this?

I get emails from a guy I know quite well who belongs to a somewhat secretive/private group of these women. Sometimes he sends me snippets of their emails and they read like something from Jan Carter's book (50 Years with Bigfoot) but aren't from that book.

I have a suspicion that these women may be the real deal - they also claim to have telepathic connections with these Forest People, etc. etc. which always makes me put the brakes on.

I think (and who am I? Nobody. Who are you?) that these women are either extremely sensitive and, in their minds, they believe this telepathic stuff to be true, if only to make themselves feel more comfortable with the situation they are in. They claim these creatures don't want to harm them, yet there is definitely some fear.

Maybe it's all made up, but I doubt it... to what end?

As I have said before, it very well could be a mixture of fact and fiction.

To robert and wilderness child:

Can you explain to me why there are no pics of these creatures from people who do habituation?
I can understand wanting to keep the location secret.
I can also understand wanting to keep your real name out of it.
I cant understand why a picture cant be shown.
A legal representative could be hired and that person could show the pic and everyone could keep their anonymity.
It's that simple to me.

Logan, that's what baffles me too. I have no explanation except to speculate that there might be some pictures somewhere, but we have never seen them here. I don't understand the great need for secrecy about them.

Riverrun
This is just a taste of what is going on in my part of the woods.I do not even believe in stick formations but yet this was found deep in an area that no one travels .It was only two feet high but it was made by hands and by falling debris.They were all placed and this is just a taste .Here is the picture: The swamp is just a picture of where i go and encounter these creatures yet I have not made full contact it is progress.

If no one travels in this area, then who took the photo?

LOOOL at Julio!!!! Please dont tell me your trying to pass those sticks off as evidence. Lmao

'the swamp is just a picture of where i go and encounter these creatures yet I have not made full contact it is progress.'

You encounter them but haven't met one?? huh?

Because its all BS. All you will ever get is excuses and stories about why you cant photo them. Perpetuating the problem are people who support these "secret groups". Secret why? Because if they werent, they would be exposed for the fraud they are. JMO of course. If youre having a psychic connection with these animals, surely you could get a photograph or video of one. Certainly you could get some hairs, or scat or anything of substance. These claims for habituation keep getting attention because people dont call them out on it. I challenge anyone with a "habituation" ongoing to prove me wrong. Please. Screw all the lilly sugar coated pampering of these people who make extremely bold claims.


You make claims of knowing, or being around an unclassified animal that is intelligent that you exchange gifts with, or feed or whatever the claim is. You should be able to back it up, or its all BS. If you can leave a gift for it, you can surely leave a trail camera for it too taking these gifts. I photograph wild animals around my house all the time. It doesnt scare them away. They come back day after day. I'm personally sick of people coddling these people/claims like they are some delicate flower when in reality they are either liars, or possibly mentally ill. Lets be real here... If we are to ever go to the truth of the phenomenon it wont be by helping along these kind of non supported claims. It will be by real evidence of a real animal. Not someones imaginary forest friend.


Seriously, when are we going to start cutting through all the bs out there? Enough with the silly unsupported claims. No wonder science wont take this subject seriously.

I couldn't agree more. The BS has to stop. Come forward with concrete evidence of your habituation, or don't come forward at all.

One question..Isn't Autumn William's site a pay site???

"some delicate flower" wow what a way to start off and no wonder you have not gone far in this field .Our attidude needs to change towards these folks who are claiming habituation .I sure as hell am not claiming it:

1.I am not sure if these creatures will be back the next time i am out there.So I prepare myself as though they are not even around ,but is them that make the move towards me.

2.Camera's well i have posted some pictures on to be torn to pieces because they were not clear.See i learned a long time ago that these creatures do not like camera traps.I have placed them every way possible to capture them only to be toyed with .Sure i can get pictures of deer or any other wild life because they are what they are creatures of habit.Now do you know these creatures, have you ever actively searched for them in hot spots? I have been there done that so have alot of folks who have seen these creatures.Yea i use to be like you always thinking that these creatures do not exist ,being real skeptical and the whole jargon crap that goes with bigfooting.Have you heard of any fresh reports about these creatures ,No thats because these creatures do not want to be found ,they dislike us so they stay clear and show themselves when they freely will.Just because you leave them a pile of food that does not mean they will come back or even stay.There are sources of food for them everywhere and they do not need us to feed them and have us take pictures of them.If i was not in school and i had the time that i use too back then river run i would ask you to come here to Michigan and prove it to to you and that is no BS These creatures have freewill just like us and there is no one here that can tame them and if you do not believe me then go ahead and ask the other researchers ,The elders how many times they have actualy seen them.That would be a cool answer to know. How about these other research groups that keep coming to this world we know as bigfootum saying that they have solved the riddle of Sasquatch.I might not have much in this world but at least i can die in peace knowing that i have seen these creatures.

So maybe we should of been more respectfull to people who are claiming this (habituation) and we might learn more about these creatures rather then arguing like it always happens in these forums .I have been tested and i am not worried when i go on my own into the woods cause i know whats out there and for now i just sit back and watch from the arm chairs in front of this stupid screen waiting for people to finally come out with the truth.if these creatures are primate or some type of sub human or whatever science wants to call it. Bs heck no! but then again i just don't care.I try to be help full but thats ok we will find out the hard way i have time.

I'm curious just how much evidence has been gathered in "habituation" scenarios that has never and probably will never see the light of day.
I suspect quite a bit more is kept to themselves than is offered to the public.

Thanks for the reply.
I can understand people wanting anonymity. That makes sense but if you have clear pics or video they could be shown and you could keep your anonymity.
Not to mention that clear pics would bring you money.
I guess that's why I doubt these claims of habituation. Especially long term. Because it seems to me sooner or later someone would want to make a buck
But maybe I'm just cynical...

Well, I never accused you of having a "habituation" first off. In fact I didnt even comment on your post. Secondly, I'm not trying to "get anywhere" in this field. You have no idea what I've experienced or havent because I dont go seeking attention, or making bold claims.


Just what exactly can we learn from these "habituation" people? How full of crap they are? I've yet to see anything worthy of educational value, of scientific study value, or in fact NO EVIDENCE of any kind come from these situations that cant be easily faked, or made up in the ways of stories told. Why exactly should I be more respectful about people who are getting off on fooling others?



Show me one, just one habituation situation that has brought anything to light. Anything at all. If we continue to perpetuate the lies and stories, thats all we will have. I'm much more interested in the truth and in something real than a lot of BS. Its funny, people will make up any excuse possible as to why they cant provide any type of proof in these situations. I'm personally more from the school of, if you can see it with your eyes, so can a camera. If people continue to accept no proof, and bold stories of habituation.... thats all you will ever get. I'd suggest that anyone making this type of claim is full of it. Youre more than welcome to prove me wrong though. In fact I challenge anyone in this field to prove me wrong. Show me one "habituation" situation that isnt a load of crap. Just one.


If you enjoy being fooled and lied to, good for you. Personally, I'll stick with whats real.... I think its a real problem in this field of interest. More so than most want to admit.


Lets be real here... the first thing anyone would do upon seeing an unknown creature regularly is snap a picture or take some video. Mountain gorillas what? when these discoveries are made... its not by someone in a semi wooded area who has claimed to see these animals for years, who feeds them garlic etc. As soon as I hear the word habituation used, I already know they are full of crap. There hasnt been any type of proof given from any of these "habituations". The more "secret" they are the more full of crap they probably are. I'm sure there are many people around this planet claiming such things. Exactly how many of those situations are real?

None....


Please, I beg you to prove me wrong. I'd be more than happy if someone did. I'm not against the idea of sasquatch ~at all~ In fact if you knew me well you might know otherwise. What I'm against is people full of crap spreading lies and BS about the subject over and over. This subject will never be taken seriously until we start to out the BS and start to keep only what is tangible evidence. If youre happy accepting whomevers word that they have a bigfoot living on their land exchanging gifts and food with them... cool. I'm not. Animals of any kind arent invisible, and they can be photographed/video and otherwise documented in the form of DNA evidence left on anything they may touch, or hairs they may leave on the ground. Yet, out of all the "habituations" all we have is stories, that have been sold on many occasions. Cool......


I'd much rather have little or no evidence being reported, than these continual BS stories of habituation floating around clouding the waters, and making anyone interested in the subject look like a fool. How do you think the stigma became this way. Because of situations like this being perpetuated over and over. One day, maybe... we will collectively cut through a lot of this BS. I hope. But it wont come from people accepting baseless stories, and claims that make you chuckle. Itll come from people outting those BS'rs. The more we continue to accept the crap, the more crap there will be.


/end novel


Oh yeah, to address something else you said.



Were you photographing a sasquatch? Or were you photographing the woods and later noticed this? I'd be interested in taking a look at your photos if you care for an honest opinion. If theyve been posted here feel free to link me.

It seems the main argument is always the same. WHY NO PICTURES?

It's interesting to me that there are no trail cam pictures of them either. Does anyone (besides me) think that these things are not just dumb animals? It's just my opinion, but maybe, just maybe, these are very intelligent creatures that know what cameras are. Just maybe they hate us, and know what we are up to. Just maybe, they constantly do everything they can to avoid detection by human beings.

Maybe, just maybe this is why there are such terribly blurry pictures, or hoaxed pictures, or pictures taken from 300 yards away.

Maybe these creatures aren't apes. They could be some kind of very smart humans that are better adapted and more comfortable living in the natural world than in the world of superhighways and shopping malls.

I know this is not a popular viewpoint here, but it's the one I have held for a long time, and nothing I have read or heard has disproved it yet, in fact, it has made it more real for me.

Riverrun
You are right that you never accused me of it nor was your answer towards me at all and i apoligize on that.I understand your frustration that if all these people are claiming habituation why have they not come forward with proof that would declare these creatures existance. I have never run into a case like that yet. But i can assure you if i did I would not hold back unless there was a reason to hold back the evidence that is needed to prove that these creatures can be habituated.You make a valid point that the stronger the claim the more bs could be with in the story. Sure i can throw some pictures up and see what happens. But it will only turn into a argument or some form of it.In this world of bigfooting there is no such thing as a photo will speak volumes for you.So if a photo can do this and cause debate that ends in argumentive debate then what will a habituation case cause.

I tried to see what would happen when i posted those pictures and not much of a responce from anyone and see what did it prove ,it proved that no one really cares because pictures have no value to them.So how is any picture going to change on how we think about these creatures, it is not going to change a d*mn thing but bring redicule. Maybe thats is why people who are having these real habituation cases and i mean real no Bs cases are forced to stay silent and be so secretive.They know that coming out will change their lives for ever does that make sense ,they are totally conformed to keep it to themselves.

Hey fame and fortune is not easy to live with and having strangers invade your space of living is also a task that can be hard on all the people involved.Yes silence is the only thing of keeping a person sane.I can not blame people for staying silent and if you want to call it BS for the option of people staying secretive well that is what we are left with and there really is not much any of us can do about that.we just have to live with what is dealt to us and if a call ever comes in to investigate a habituation case then we should go at it with caution and expect the worse until it can be proven otherwise.

She sounds like a very interesting person, but I don't know what to believe..

I haven't laughed like tis since.... well maybe it was yesterday after all, come to think of it.

There are no habituation situations. There are crazy people who want attention. When they provide proof, they cease being crazy. Until then, the best thing we can do for them is ignore them.

Well, I wish DDA would post something more than just a one sentence sarcastic remark. Too many posters here do that all the time, I have done it myself.

Granted, this message is not the best way to have a conversation about this (or anything else for that matter) but it would be nice if someone would take the time to type out what he/she found out when investigating a habituation claim, with a few specific details for us to grab on to and think about.

Don't bother with Jan Carter. I think we all know about her.

I agree about Jan Carter