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Grazhopprr
Watch it all the way through. Major find !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skrnKywaMGo...yer_profilepage
FanofSquatch
Impressive, It is hard to tell but the bank looks undisturbed from a human standpoint, no boot prints or traces of humans having been there for some time. I am always eager to see his videos and am glad to see he is finding stuff and making progress.
scibaer
human foot tracks .. at 4:08, the print you see is human, narrow heel, 12 inches long, no mid-tarsal break and toe angle is human... human
Drew
Nothing telling me it is not a human foot print.
RiverRun
Gee that looks very human to me. coverlaugh.gif
Hogsback
I agree with Drew and scibaer, so far. Looks too narrow, average length. What really bothers me with this one is the immediate presumption that these are bigfoot related (they may not state this, but the tone says it all). Your first reaction should ALWAYS be skeptical when you see something like this, and then as you eliminate possibilities allow yourself another explanation (possibly an unknown primate). I will need to see a tape measure put down next to these before I make any more conclusions. Still an interesting video.....Thanks for posting it.
Swamp Dog
Nice find
Bitter Monk
QUOTE(scibaer @ Aug 4 2009, 09:56 AM) *
...and toe angle is human...


Agreed. Years of wearing shoes causes an unnatural curvature of the smaller toes towards the big toe.
Saskeptic
There is evidence of the following animal species on this video: Homo sapiens, white-breasted nuthatch. blue jay, Carolina chickadee, American goldfinch, and possibly white-tailed deer. All of these would be commonly encountered in a suburban park in the Midwest, which appears to be where they were. Note the narrow buffer of trees between the river and the clearing behind, the abundance of young vegetation on the bank, the eutrophied water in which they're paddling, and the human footprints in the mud on the bank.

"Wanna measure it?"


billgreen2005bigfoot
hey tcs & researchers WOWW thats great & interesting new video of possible sasquatch footprints indeedy. keep me posted ok. ty bill g new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif
mojo1963
Many alleged Bigfoot prints will look human. I believe the only thing that will separate bf from bare human prints is size. So, unless it is unusually large, it can only be categorized as suspect. If extremely large prints are found with smaller prints, you can speculate that it may be a group of bf. Some larger, some small.... i.e., male, female and their young.

Large, human like prints are very interesting and may indicate a hot spot. The next logical step should be to follow the tracks and attempt to determine their destination and perhaps their origin. I believe these large animals, which require a lot of caloric intake, travel with a purpose. I don't believe they spend a lot of time wondering aimlessly.

That being said..... the next step in the research effort is to set camera traps along the track or camp near the tracks, bait the area and attempt to draw them to you. After that, it's up to the researcher to decide how to capture the beast(s) on film. This is no easy task. If it were easy, we'd all have pictures and video.

Mojo....
FanofSquatch
What you have here is a video from a guy who heads out and looks for stuff and post it up for everyone to watch. I enjoy watching them because he seems like a regular guy. He never claims anything (that I am aware of) to be BF related. Sure they probably are not from a BF but is it not just as presumptious to call human when the truth is no none not even Tim knows for sure what made them.
Furious_George
I wonder if there were other signs in the area (human of BF) like garbage or fishing tackle etc.


Here's a stupid question from somebody that doesn't know any better......... me

Why are there never (that I know of) any hair impressions left behind in deep muddy prints? Smooth legs or top of feet?
Drew
QUOTE(Saskeptic @ Aug 4 2009, 12:49 PM) *
There is evidence of the following animal species on this video: Homo sapiens, white-breasted nuthatch. blue jay, Carolina chickadee, American goldfinch, and possibly white-tailed deer. All of these would be commonly encountered in a suburban park in the Midwest, which appears to be where they were. Note the narrow buffer of trees between the river and the clearing behind, the abundance of young vegetation on the bank, the eutrophied water in which they're paddling, and the human footprints in the mud on the bank.

"Wanna measure it?"


SASKEPTIC-

Can you tell me of any Giant/Large Humanlike footprints in the Fossil record discovered Pre-1958 or so?
Saskeptic
QUOTE(Drew @ Aug 4 2009, 03:16 PM) *
SASKEPTIC-

Can you tell me of any Giant/Large Humanlike footprints in the Fossil record discovered Pre-1958 or so?


If such a record existed I might be able to tell you something about it. To my knowledge, none exists.

(I suppose technically we would just refer to such footprints as in the geological record rather than from the "fossil" record. Those with paleontological or Wikipediological experience feel free to chime in on the proper terminology for footprint impressions of ancient creatures preserved in rock.)


For mojo1963, we are not given the benefit of our intrepid videographer taking the most obvious and basic step of measuring those footprints for the camera, so it's difficult to gauge their size. Based on their apparent size relative to guy's hand, I'd put 'em at about an 11.5, D. The one that he showed and remarked at how long it was looked pretty obviously to have included a slide or overstep that made it look longer.

The real giveaway is a comment I think Bitter Monk made earlier: whatever left those prints has spent a lot of time wearing shoes.
Bitter Monk
QUOTE(FanofSquatch @ Aug 4 2009, 02:22 PM) *
Sure they probably are not from a BF but is it not just as presumptious to call human when the truth is no none not even Tim knows for sure what made them.


Not when a positive identification can be made. In this case, the unnatural curvature of the toes clearly points to them being human in nature.
FanofSquatch
Are you talking about how the toes curl down or how they are not splayed out flat? That makes sense and one could easily assume that some passer by removed his footwear to avoid the mud. I am more of a "what if" guy, I like to look at any possibility with an open mind then work backwards from there. I guess thats why even the GA boys got a maybe from me until it kept playing out. Tcsjr seems like a genuine dude to me maybe even a bit gullable at times so I hope he gets something some day.
Bitter Monk
I'm talking about how the toes curl towards the big toe, instead of splaying out across the front of the foot. This is caused by years of being crammed into shoes.
RiverRun
QUOTE(FanofSquatch @ Aug 4 2009, 03:22 PM) *
What you have here is a video from a guy who heads out and looks for stuff and post it up for everyone to watch. I enjoy watching them because he seems like a regular guy. He never claims anything (that I am aware of) to be BF related. Sure they probably are not from a BF but is it not just as presumptious to call human when the truth is no none not even Tim knows for sure what made them.



I'm going out on a huge limb here, and saying yep... its human. We could wager on this and what do you think the odds would be? smile.gif

Grazhopprr
There are more prints that than thin one. I'm going to pull frames from that video, circle them and send them to him. I've done that lots of times for him. He misses so much of them, hehe. When I get done, I'll ask him if I can post them in here.
billgreen2005bigfoot
the forests area where the footprints were found does look like great habitat for wildlife or sasquatch. hey tcs i think you should put trail cams in areas where you found the footprints to see what happens. thanks bill g smile.gif keep us updated on other videos your expeditions as well.
RedRatSnake
Hi

Besides what you guys are onto about the toes and stuff , If it were a squatch sized animal i would think those prints closest to the water would be a slight bit deeper than they appear to be. No / Yes ~ ?

Peace
Tim smile.gif
Bitter Monk
Depends on the substrate Tim.
RedRatSnake
Hi

Got that BM

It is possible i missed it but was a comparison print made at the site ?

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif
Tcsjrbigfoot
Hey everybody, I didn't know about this post and I have read every comment. Just a reminder that I have never claimed anything on or off camera that a Bigfoot was responsible for anything in my videos. My recent video of footprints found in the cove has got me puzzled. What the hell is a Bigfoot footprint really supposed to look like? Is there a proven fact that they have a midfoot break? Is there a proven fact that their toes should be wide and not curved? Are all Bigfoot footprints supposed to be very large and not small? How do we know that this creature has not found a way to make its own shoes since we all believe it is very smart and intellegent? There are many unanswered questions that we will never know the real truth until the day we capture this creature to study it. Did science proove this creature is primate? What if it is a ferel human? When I had my 1992 sighting this creature looked so much like a human to me with hair all over its body. We must all keep a open mind and think outside the box until we proove it exists !
I try not to get excited about finding footprints but sometimes I slip. Im only human.

I know one thing for sure - I'm busting my b*lls out there to come up with any kind of good trace evidence and the rock throwing encounter video was amazing and authentic. I know for a fact they were there ! We were so close !
I will upload more videos of the footprints we found and more videos leading up to the rock throwing encounter.
Thank you all for being a part of my research !

Tim

RedRatSnake
Hi


Tim ~ I am pretty sure most everyone is cool with your vids and down to earth approach thumbup.gif Hell i like watching them cause i get to go to another place and still sit here in my reptile / Man town room smile.gif

I would like to ask if you can take some time and answer some quick questions we have about what you have filmed,

Thanks and Peace
Tim smile.gif



comncents
from the video "that paddle is a foot wide" - sorry it's not. I believe that is an oar (vs a paddle) which are made 5 to 5-1/2" wide. (Paddles are 6 to 6-1/2" wide) If the end is 12" then the handle is bigger around than a baseball bat.

These guys know that oar is not 12" and that the tracks are not the size they tried to make them out to be.

In my book, it puts them on the same page as the Ga. Boys...only they haven't claimed to have a bigfoot in a freezer (yet)
Saskeptic
QUOTE(Tcsjrbigfoot @ Aug 4 2009, 09:24 PM) *
How do we know that this creature has not found a way to make its own shoes since we all believe it is very smart and intellegent?


Now I'm really scared to go in the woods, cause these things' footprints are everywhere!
Robert
QUOTE(comncents @ Aug 5 2009, 10:01 AM) *
from the video "that paddle is a foot wide" - sorry it's not. I believe that is an oar (vs a paddle) which are made 5 to 5-1/2" wide. (Paddles are 6 to 6-1/2" wide) If the end is 12" then the handle is bigger around than a baseball bat.

These guys know that oar is not 12" and that the tracks are not the size they tried to make them out to be.

In my book, it puts them on the same page as the Ga. Boys...only they haven't claimed to have a bigfoot in a freezer (yet)


Um, what? I don't think so.
Grazhopprr
QUOTE(comncents @ Aug 5 2009, 07:01 AM) *
from the video "that paddle is a foot wide" - sorry it's not. I believe that is an oar (vs a paddle) which are made 5 to 5-1/2" wide. (Paddles are 6 to 6-1/2" wide) If the end is 12" then the handle is bigger around than a baseball bat.

These guys know that oar is not 12" and that the tracks are not the size they tried to make them out to be.

In my book, it puts them on the same page as the Ga. Boys...only they haven't claimed to have a bigfoot in a freezer (yet)


Actually, the exact quote was "that paddle is a foot long". You're right, it is about 6 inches wide. And making personal judgements about someone, with incorrect data, makes you seem about as wide in the tooth.
Robert
QUOTE(Grazhopprr @ Aug 5 2009, 10:11 AM) *
Actually, the exact quote was "that paddle is a foot long". You're right, it is about 6 inches wide. And making personal judgements about someone, with incorrect data, makes you seem about as wide in the tooth.


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HamrFoot
knock off the insults comn,
this guy is a regular "joe" tryin to find whatever he can!
It's people like YOU that from behind a keyboard decides that cause tcsjr misspoke it makes him comparable to the GA idiots...... as u say "in your book"

well keep your book closed cause I don't think anyone wants to read it.

sorry for the "attitude" but posts like his really pisses me off

billgreen2005bigfoot
hey tcs good late afternoon i hope you find more possible footprints by creek rivers beds ponds lakes etc to put on videos. but i hope 1 day you catch a gilmpse of a possible sasquatches on river bed on film. keep us posted ok. ty bill g thumbup.gif
RedRatSnake
QUOTE(comncents @ Aug 5 2009, 10:01 AM) *
In my book, it puts them on the same page as the Ga. Boys...only they haven't claimed to have a bigfoot in a freezer (yet)


Hi

I really don't think you can compare the Vids ~ Tcsjrbigfoot ~ is making to the GA Boys in any way shape or form, I don't think the guy could be any clearer in his disclaimer's and descriptions about what he is doing,

I see it as a well explained and detailed documentary that has Bigfoot as the subject, Not everything on You Tube is automatically a hoax or some evil plot to undermine us gullible Bigfoot enthusiasts

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif
Tcsjrbigfoot
Hey everybody. Its 9:48 pm and I just returned home from another expedition. I worked a 12 hour day then went to do research for 4 1/2 hours. I'm exhausted but prosessing videos now for upload to Youtube. There is a video I am concerned about that is called (Intense Momment In The Dark) About 3/4 way thru the video I zoom in on something that at first I thought was strange-it looked like something standing there but it could be a blobsquatch. It should be uploaded by morning. Anyway I never claimed footprints found in the cove were made by Bigfoot but that there is a possibility. The ore/push paddle we were using was 6 inches wide by 12 inches long for anybody who wants to know.

As for me being compared to the Georgia Boys by that comment really pissed me off and insulted my hard work and dedication !
(Comncents) Needs to watch more of my videos if not all of them and tell me if there is 1 video that I claim a Bigfoot was responsible for my findings !

If I planned to hoax or fake something then why would I log dam near 1100 hours of field research in the last 8 months and spend nearly $7,000 on gear and electronics and commit all my after work time and weekends to this research? Why would I go through all that ?

My Youtube Channel - Website - and Radio Shows I am the real deal !!!

JX99
Hey Tim, Looks like the footprints are the real deal to me.
I'm 6'8" with a size 15 shoe and I can't even leave a barefoot track that deep @ 260lbs!!

Keep doing your thing with the HD and infrared cams and I have no doubt your going to be the first legit
person to capture one of these creatures on HD or infrared in the 21st century!!

You sound like a Texan on your videos with your drawl
Makes me feel at home watching your videos

Would love to track with ya someday - not too much spooks
me @ my size - 6'8"-260lbs.
I'm still convinced that talking to these things may reveal what they're all about
Wouldn't hurt to try talking to them.

Thanks for all you do in Bigfoot research!!

Cheers, JX99
Bob
QUOTE(Tcsjrbigfoot @ Aug 5 2009, 09:20 PM) *
As for me being compared to the Georgia Boys by that comment really pissed me off and insulted my hard work and dedication !


Hello Tim,

Yea!! That comment got to me a bit too. new_thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif In the video it was obvious that the paddles length was being used as a reference.
Don’t let the skeptics bother you. I admire the time, money and effort you have invested in our cause.

I believe in the end!! Because of your concentrated efforts and multiple expeditions to the same areas your total combined data set of evidence will prove to be just as valuable as your video and audio.

After watching many of your videos, I had my first opportunity to go “squatching” in N. Central Minnesota. It was as if had done it before. On several occasions I found myself thinking I was watching one of your videos. I learned a lot from your videos without realizing it.

Keep up the good work. Your research will get you the reward you already deserve.

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Bob
FanofSquatch
QUOTE(RiverRun @ Aug 4 2009, 07:07 PM) *
I'm going out on a huge limb here, and saying yep... its human. We could wager on this and what do you think the odds would be? smile.gif


I think the odds are very good that they are human, but going by the MO for Bigfoot sounds, print, wood knocks, identification if you dont have clear video of a human making the print you can't say with 100% certianty that they are human so that leaves the slight possibility that they were made by something else.
masterbarber
QUOTE(RedRatSnake @ Aug 5 2009, 06:28 PM) *
Hi

I really don't think you can compare the Vids ~ Tcsjrbigfoot ~ is making to the GA Boys in any way shape or form, I don't think the guy could be any clearer in his disclaimer's and descriptions about what he is doing,

I see it as a well explained and detailed documentary that has Bigfoot as the subject, Not everything on You Tube is automatically a hoax or some evil plot to undermine us gullible Bigfoot enthusiasts

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif



In all fairness Tim, this guy can't even look into his own camera and say "I saw a Bigfoot" when trying to explain his own alleged sighting(s) and has yet to provide any corroboration. If you saw a Bigfoot why would you not just say, I saw a Bigfoot? ......................unless you don't know what you saw, or you saw nothing (read lying).
RiverRun
QUOTE(FanofSquatch @ Aug 6 2009, 12:22 PM) *
I think the odds are very good that they are human, but going by the MO for Bigfoot sounds, print, wood knocks, identification if you dont have clear video of a human making the print you can't say with 100% certianty that they are human so that leaves the slight possibility that they were made by something else.



I already did say it was human :-P


You can always prove me wrong though. I'd be more than happy to see some real sasquatch prints. Those arent them though. Sometimes people want so hard to believe or to see, but the proof is in the pudding so to speak. Even dude with the camera isnt claiming they are anything (doesnt say human, doesnt say bear, doesnt say alien or wolfsteinburgerfeet haha, in fact hes trying so hard to look excited about the human foot prints its obvious to me he wants to get people excited too)

Oh, btw.... Good luck with getting the publicity you're obviously seeking. I'm sure you'll make it on one of those shows soon enough if you keep up the exciting finds. Oh yeah, what is it that you presented so far? I saw a title with supposed vocalizations that I never heard, and feet prints that were human. We're on a roll.


Dont get me wrong here, I think its great you're out in the woods looking around talking to your camera and stuff. Have fun with that.... I just think some of what you have presented is misleading. Thats where I just shake my head and smile and think to myself.... yeah some people are buying into this. Am I critical/skeptical? Sure... but I'd rather be critical than be mislead or misleading.
Dantallus
I appreciate the work you are putting into the fieldwork, keep it up!
RiverRun
Just wanted to clarify a couple of things because I dont want to discourage this guy from going out in the woods and looking around, exploring etc. I have no problem with a little self promotion either. Just wanted to make a point. thumbup.gif



maybe if the titles on the threads were
QUOTE
Tcsjrbigfoot finds human track line in cove bank


or

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confrontation vocalization on tape that you cant hear


uhh?

That makes me scratch my head and go..... new_lmaosmiley.gif
RedRatSnake
QUOTE(masterbarber @ Aug 6 2009, 03:23 PM) *
In all fairness Tim, this guy can't even look into his own camera and say "I saw a Bigfoot" when trying to explain his own alleged sighting(s) and has yet to provide any corroboration. If you saw a Bigfoot why would you not just say, I saw a Bigfoot? ......................unless you don't know what you saw, or you saw nothing (read lying).



Hi

My grandmother used to say too me i was not very strong in the eyes, She was always telling me to look into peoples eyes when talking, Something i did get better at with age but it ain't my strong point so i got to figure there has to be other folks out there just like me smile.gif

I just don't think Hoax is the right word to use here for what is being presented, It seems to be a pretty much here is what i am seeing what do you think kinda thing, We are here for the most part to talk about BF related things and learn what we can, I do wish there was more interaction with the forum so we could understand better wear Tim is coming from, Sure would help things out

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif
masterbarber
QUOTE(RedRatSnake @ Aug 6 2009, 07:45 PM) *
Hi

My grandmother used to say too me i was not very strong in the eyes, She was always telling me to look into peoples eyes when talking, Something i did get better at with age but it ain't my strong point so i got to figure there has to be other folks out there just like me smile.gif

I just don't think Hoax is the right word to use here for what is being presented, It seems to be a pretty much here is what i am seeing what do you think kinda thing, We are here for the most part to talk about BF related things and learn what we can, I do wish there was more interaction with the forum so we could understand better wear Tim is coming from, Sure would help things out

Peace
Tim thumbup.gif


Tim, You're a class act and I mean that sincerely.

I'll bet money if you saw a Bigfoot you'd be able to tell anybody, come hell or high water, with sufficient conviction and also be able to reasonably describe it - instead of making a vague reference to "something".... or you would probably just admit that you don't know what you saw, if that were the case.
I'll agree that I haven't seen anything that qualifies as a hoax, and he just seems to be into self promotion. I say Go for it, but be honest with folks. Why come to a BF forum, infer that you've had a BF sighting and avoid answering questions that you know are going to be asked? That type of behavior clearly demonstrates that you are being untruthful.



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Grazhopprr
If you'll notice, I made the title "track lines". Nothing about BF stated.

If you put the video full screen, and go one frame at a time, you'll see alot more than the thin track at the beginning. I've found over a dozen very large, wide, tracks all over that bank, and in the water. If you know anything about tracking, you'll see layers of older tracks, under newer tracks. Smaller tracks inside larger ones, and the reverse. There are slide marks of very large feet, coming down from the brush above. Just have to take the time to look at the video, instead of making quick judgements. I've done the same with several of his videos, and he's gone back and found the tracks that I outlined for him. Don't judge Tcsjr in a broad stroke with anyone else. He's narrowing that place down pretty tight. I know where he's working, and it's a damned hard place to get into, but he's finding evidence, and getting closer to an answer.
Xskeptic
QUOTE
maybe if the titles on the threads were
QUOTE
Tcsjrbigfoot finds human track line in cove bank


Where is the proof that they're human tracks. Perhaps they all are, but without proof it would be presumptuous and IMO misleading to title the thread as you suggest. So what you are criticizing one of doing you would encourage in others, amazing!
Grazhopprr
In none of the films I've ever seen, has he said that he saw Bigfoot. He's seen big hairy things run through the brush, heard things, had things thrown at him, etc. He's never mislead anyone. He's only video'd what is going on, and his reactions to it. He leaves the judgements up to you. He's only out there looking for whatever he finds and experiences. He's found tracks, but never said they were Bigfoot tracks. He's just gathering evidence of something. Could be a commune of homeless, dread headed liberal socialist pinko commies out there, lol. He's never asked for money, and he doesn't want anything to do with any organization. He's doing this for his own passion, and adventure. Leave your own personal reflections, or personal limitations and paranoia, in your own psychological profiles. He's doing fine on his own merits, hehe. I'm just having fun watching him go through this process, and I do whatever I can to help, like I would with any of you, and have, on several occasions. I've found things in his tapes, and worked with him on them, but they'll never be shared in here, because of the implications of them. Watching the reactions of some of you, is pretty telling, and just as fun to watch. Get a giggle about it all, and enjoy life a little. new_guitar.gif
masterbarber
QUOTE(Grazhopprr @ Aug 7 2009, 02:23 AM) *
In none of the films I've ever seen, has he said that he saw Bigfoot. He's seen big hairy things run through the brush, heard things, had things thrown at him, etc. He's never mislead anyone.


He claims, on a publicly posted video under the monicker tcsjrbigfoot, to have seen big hairy things run through the woods, claims he'll never forget what he saw and can't seem to describe it beyond that degree of detail, then ignores specific questions about his alleged encounter, now you are here claiming he never said he saw a bigfoot .................. and you don't think that's misleading?


QUOTE(Grazhopprr @ Aug 7 2009, 02:23 AM) *
He's only video'd what is going on, and his reactions to it. He leaves the judgements up to you. He's only out there looking for whatever he finds and experiences.


I think it's pretty clear what he claims to be looking for.............
"About me:"
"OWNER OF A REMODELING COMPANY AND MOST OF MY FREE TIME INVOLVES MY BIGFOOT RESEARCH."


QUOTE(Grazhopprr @ Aug 7 2009, 02:23 AM) *
He's found tracks, but never said they were Bigfoot tracks. He's just gathering evidence of something. Could be a commune of homeless, dread headed liberal socialist pinko commies out there, lol.


He doesn't have to say it, it's inferred by the totality of what he claims to represent, how he presents it and the fact that this was selectively (and with clear intent) brought into a BIGFOOT Forum.


QUOTE(Grazhopprr @ Aug 7 2009, 02:23 AM) *
I've found things in his tapes, and worked with him on them, but they'll never be shared in here, because of the implications of them.


I don't blame you or him one bit, scrutiny can be frightening.


QUOTE(Grazhopprr @ Aug 7 2009, 02:23 AM) *
Get a giggle about it all, and enjoy life a little


I giggle everytime I watch the Atlanta Falcons and realize that they too have cheerleaders, but you just know the team's gonna come up dry at the end of the season.



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Grazhopprr
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HamrFoot
I wondered how long it would take.
This guy isn't looking for fame, and even if he were, so what?
He's not charging you to watch his videos.
He's spending his own time and money, and taking us along with him.
I've never felt he was trying to make me see anything that wasn't there.
Why can't we just enjoy the ride?
Why not critique without the cute little snide, often subtle insults?

(think it's pretty clear what he claims to be looking for.............
"About me:"
"OWNER OF A REMODELING COMPANY AND MOST OF MY FREE TIME INVOLVES MY BIGFOOT RESEARCH." )
are you kiddin me? you're reading a freakin BIGFOOT FORUM for the love of pete!!! some of yall are amazing

I'm familiar with this type personality, at least they are consistant, lol
keep up the good work tcsjr, I think you are one of the "good" guys!
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