I spent alot of time and energy, going over the alledged coyote sound files. After remastering all 3 of them, I'm not convinced that they are coyotes at all. A couple of people saw a coyote make a "similar" vocalization, out in the field. I've listened to several coyote calls on websites, and they don't come close to these recordings. Coyotes have a sharp sound, and these recordings have a round sound, not including the echoish quality to them. The power to make those sounds, needed larger pipes, not like the thin, high end pipes of a coyote. What I've heard of coyote sounds so far, are high end, piercing sounds. So,,,,,,,,,,,

I don't think the debate is over at all, just because a couple of people make a claim. Someone prove that coyotes have midrange and lower 3rd power, including some bass round frequencies. I think it's impossible.

Review the remasters that I put in this forum. Chehalis, Klamath, and Puyallup, all 3 of them uploaded in this forum.

Larry, would like your view on this.

David

Dude just stop right there for a second.

I appreciate what you're trying to do here, and I would never want to discourage anyone from trying to learn or advance the subject, so don't take this the wrong way. I'm the last one that's going to throw out the armchair slur, but the reality is if you haven't spent a significant amount of time in the wild hearing coyotes you have no idea as to the amazing range of vocalizations they can make. A few recorded calls on the internet isn't even going to begin to educate you on these amazing animals. The same goes for barred owls, foxes, bobcats, and a whole host of other animals that vocalize.

Well, that's what I want to know. I'm not the only one that isn't convinced, and ready to throw away those 3 Washington recordings, just because of one case of a "similar" sound heard by a coyote. Someone needs to post proof that coyotes make the exact same vocalizations as the recordings, or they're claim is as subjective as any claim about those recordings. To negate all 3 recordings on the vote of one instance, isn't proof.

If coyotes are even in the range of these vocalizations they win by default by the very nature of the fact that they are a proven species. It is up to the proponent who says these are sasquatch vocalizations to prove that fact.

piano's, trumpets, saxophones, violins,,,,all can have the same range, but different qualities. You can't say that just because a piano can have a certain range, that every example of a sound in that range used, is a piano, because everyone in that neighborhood plays a piano. Pavarotti and Placido Domingo can hit the same notes, but you can tell them apart from a stadium away. I'm not saying that the recordings are BF. I'm just saying that without proof of coyotes being able to make exactly the same sound and resonance, then it's a subjective claim, as is saying it's BF.

Bad analogy. Post recordings of piano, trumpet, saxophone or violin and I bet anyone here can identify it. Without seeing the source for these sounds make them there is no way to identify it specifically as an unclassified animal. I've heard the sounds and they sound pretty canine to me.

The Investigators are also respected people who have plenty of background and experience and the work they put into this shouldn't be taken lightly in my opinion.

In a way and I could be wrong, but it almost feels to me like a direct slap to a well done investigation by seasoned researchers to assume what they accomplished in actually getting direct visual of a Coyote making the sounds is so easily dismissed especially considering these sounds are commonly assumed to be Bigfoot vocals.

I do agree with Bitter Monk's statements above. I spend a great deal of time outdoors and Coyotes have a very interesting vast range of vocals and the common calls used on the net are not going to give you a bigger picture, even domestic dogs have a vast range of vocals, heck I have a pitbull a block away that sounds like a woman screaming.

If anyone is taking this as a personal slap, I can't help that. I have alot of personal background in sound. If they had recorded that coyote making that sound, I would have something to work with, in comparing the frequencies and resonances. Like I said, I'm not the only one in here that doesn't accept the coyote appraisal. In other threads, more evidence is always argued for. This shouldn't be any less stringent. A first hand sighting of any evidence, is never enough for most of you, as proof. I'm just asking for more evidence of this, before throwing away 3 separate vocalizations from 3 areas in Washington, on one subjective experience. It's only fair to the truth, as shown in other areas of "evidence" in this forum.

Don't worry this is no slap. People have questions that need to answered. After all they weren't there April 5th, 2006. So debate away folks. That is part of what research is all about.

Thomas Steenburg