Interesting


FIRST, I would like to extend my apologies to the UBRG group for having to use our public forum for trash like this. However, I cannot sit idly by in this matter. Sometimes a person has to speak up for themself and that is what I am doing here. Thank you for your indulgence. Mary G.


Janice Carter has made certain claims that throw a shadow on my character. She's also made statements she cannot back up. I am in the process of making videos available of her being interviewed on exactly the things she says she said she did not say. Supposedly, in our book of 50 Years, Janice Carter says that I made up things, revised things, changed things, etc, and that I have been stopped from publishing the book with legal action. This is simply not so. I chose to NOT publish it because I no longer believed her profuse lies that she claimed in the book. Every word written in the book on Janice's claims are exactly what she said and told and have been video taped AND audio taped at the same time for verification purposes.

I DO plan to seek legal action if necessary against the book called "Nermanuh" which is supposedly planned to be released that I was sent by Janice Carter and Lawrence Leavell. They told me they wished to use the book 50 Years and revise it.

Janice also says that the main author of this book will be Dr. Roy Wagner from a VA Univesity and a reputable author. Dr.Wagner has asked Janice Carter for many physical proofs before he is willing to publish this new book. I am in possession of a copy of this new book in it's first efforts because Leavell and Carter sent it to me hoping to win me over and go along with their schemes.

Janice cannot provide these physical proofs for Dr. Wagner. He wanted her to provide rubbings of pictoglyphs that she claimed to have found in MY research areas and she could not. This was a 3 hour drive from her own old farmplace. Janice presented Dr. Wagner with two false rocks, one that was clearly not from this area and another that was scraped by a bulldozer. I watched her pick this second rock up and I told her at the time that this rock was NOT scraped on by a bigfoot. My assitant was with Janice on the first rock and did not see her pick up a sandstone rock at all. She told me not to trust Janice because she thought the rock had been hoaxed too. Obviously it was. (no sandrock for miles around in this area) I did confront Ms Carter with the fact I knew this limestone second rock was NOT bigfoot related at all and she told me off and pitched it into my car. She took it home with her when she left. That was the time I parted company with her.

So it is my own opinion that Carter has not been able to publish her book due to her own inability to prove her claims. Lawrence Leavell and Janice Carter along with Tom S. did bring Dr. Roy Wagner and another Ohio University Professor to meet me.
Janice made a claim to them that she could go to my research areas and call up the head bigfoot honcho in front of the two professors. My daughter had went with me there to watch the spectacle as she tried to con the professors into believing her story about the bigfoot writing on rocks in my area. She claimed that 3 bigfoot were going to come out of the woods when she talked to them and that these bigfoot would greet us all. Carter had NO success, however. We were all promised to see two or three talking bigfoot come out of the woods but nothing showed.

I have been deeply rooked and lied to by Janice Carter and I have had my limit. I will either place the video clips of Janice's telling of the rape story ON SITE at her farm, on a web site, or place the video clip about it to a DVD along with other films and proofs of everything she claims she didn't say. I guess she thinks I have no sense at all, but I've kept ALL of my records, and have back ups and the original tapes, and the tapes put to DVD's, and the transcriptions of the tapes are also in my hands.

I don't know why all of this started here lately, but I am prepared and able to back up every word that went into the "50 Years" book, which Carter most definitely DID claim and approve before it was published. Carter had every opportunity to read everything I wrote in the book "50 Years." Ms. Carter did try to get me to put off the printing date due on "50 years." She now claims that it was me who tried to delay the printing, but it was she herself who e-mailed me all of her chapters she had redone just 8 hours before the book was due at the printers. She wanted to change the story she said as her reference to her grandfather as Pawpaw made her look childish as she said Dr. Fehrenbach had told her to do this. The real fact of the dealy turned up later as she confessed that she now wanted another scientist to print her story. This was so even after she had agreed and signed a contract to have the 50 Years book published. Now she is claiming I pushed her into this contract. We did not do the contract for several months so she could have called it off at anytime before the date it was signed.

"50 Years" is registered and two required copies went in immediately to the United States copyright office and the book has an ISBN number. Janice claimed to ME that after the book was printed that Dr. Henner Fahrenbach had approached her to not allow the book to be printed because he wished to do the book himself and she said he promised her that he would give her all monies derived from it. This is more than likely another lie. The real problem with the "50 Years" book is Janice Carter "Coy" herself. It seems like she can only tell a new lie bigger than the last one. I suppose when the heat is on, Carter has to claim she had no part in writing her claims at all. Several editors spent hundreds of hours editing Janice's words and mine too. One even took her list of bigfoot words and placed them in some type of order for her which took untold hours. JC has definiely conrolled all aspects of this books printing. BTW I DO have copies of the original handwritten so called bigfoot words submitted to me in J. Carter's OWN handwriting as nothing concerning her case has ever been thrown away. What is written about Janice's claims is written word for word as copied and placed in the book, and several chapters were included consisting almost entirely of the interviews I had with J. Carter.

J.C. has not only hurt herself, but she has harmed greatly all those who at first believed her. Will Duncan was especially harmed and has left the bigfoot community ever since Janice's lies on the cryptozoology.com forum on the Sierra Sound words was told. J.C. was sent these sounds by Dr. H Fahrenbach who asked her to listen to them and see if she could make out what they were saying. J.C. wrote Fahrenbach back and said she absolutely could not understand one word of the Sierra Sounds as they didn't sound like her bigfoot talked. Later on, J.C. claimed to understand every word that the Sierra Sounds held. So J.C. has burned Fahrenbach very badly who had helped her in so many ways to determine what type of hair samples had been found on her farm. Then there's poor Dr. Bourtsev. I pity the man. I had respect for Igor as he stayed in my home for around six days or so while he was here in TN on the Carter Case. These and many more found some proofs and helped J. Carter and I especially tried to help her deliver her claims to the public for acknowledgment. It is such a shame that she now tries to destroy all of those who have helped her and stood by her. Those she has conned now, I feel so very sorry for them also. All things are in God's hands as I am a believer in living a Christian life. I'm so glad that HE is in control. I trust that He will sort things out in the end. I have moved on now a long time ago and I deeply regret that so many continue to hate and rant about Ms. Carter's claims. I gave an honest report of what Ms. Carter told and did not add to Ms. Carter's words or take away from them. I have nothing to fear or to hide, but I will not falter in continuing to tell the truth in this matter.



Mary Green

Wow, just wow! Best of luck to you!

What??!!!?? Raped...by a BF? Please tell me it is not so!

This reminds me of my many years of spiritual studies, comparative religion, anthropology, etc. There was a 10 year period, or so, where the New Age movement took off, and every psychotic wingnut out there, took a ride on the bandwagon. Ufology, abductions, channeling, Heavens Gate, Montana compounds of secrecy, on and on. I got caught up in it myself, trying to believe in some of it, and ended up destroying my own faith in human belief systems. Human life is actually quite simple, but the wingnuts take it as far as their psychotic minds can keep up, ending up in a matrix so deluded, it takes down some of the real researchers along the way. It's hard watching someone believe in something so much, just to get destroyed in the process. After it's over, who do you trust anymore? You end up alone in your own thoughts, with years of self-analysis ahead. What to me, is an interesting hobby, turns some into obsessed martyres, who'll take everyone down with them in a dramatic fireball. Keep it simple.

Janice Carter Coy is a delusional wingnut. I saw her on National Geographic Channel a few years back and even then in that show when interviewed she was a headcase. Fox comes to her door asking for cloves of garlic to stave off mosquitos in the bush. Yeah okay...

I saw that show as well and there are so many things fishy with her story that I could go on for days. What bothers me the most, perhaps, is the fact that despite this alleged relationship with the BF clan going on for years, there's not even one photo to show for it - not one - because she doesn't know how to work a camera. How hard can that be?

Interesting letter by Mary Green, which frankly isn't that surprising, since she needed to redeem herself in an attempt to regain any shred of credibility she once may have had, but the truth is, Green was taken in by Carter/Coy - anyone who read the book could see it was a pack of lies - except Green. Only when her credibility was shot did she start to distance herself from Carter.

I do wonder how long we have to discuss Janice Carter and her fantasy world for though - it has been seven years now.

Here here.

A few years ago on a long thread on CZ.com, posted by Janice Carter and her friend Tom Shirley, I was extremely critical of Janice but NEVER of Mary Green, who was taken in and fooled on many issues by Janice, a young woman with a severe case of attention-seeking behavior who seems desperate for money and fame, if you'd call it that. Mary's only guilt, as I stated then, was her naivete and her good heart. My chief complaint, then and now, is that Janice says she is no-kill when she is as pro-kill as they come. But Mary took my criticism of Janice to mean that I was being critical of her too, and that ended our friendship. Neither Mary nor anyone else has cornered the market on making the mistake of being taken in by a pathological liar. I sure have, and so have we all.

I know that Mary never put a single word in that book "50 Years" that Janice didn't tell her verbatim. That is truly all I have to say about that.

You weren't critical of an 'investigator' who so so weak-willed that she was completely taken in by a complete liar? All Green had to do was compare that very first letter Carter sent to her (Jim F will almost certainly find the link to it, he's good like that), with what Green encountered when she met Carter to know that she was an outright liar - to still be taken in is the mark of a lousy investigator - Green is every bit as much to blame for this fiasco as Carter is in my book.

If someone had the foresight at the time to have recorded the PalTalk chats Janice took part in when she first showed up on the scene it's likely none of this would have ever gotten to the point it did. One day she's asking the most basic questions and then suddenly she knows the most intimate details of the subject.

She was full of it then just like she's full of it now. Anyone that she sucked down with her into that fairy land has no one to blame but themselves.

Keep the religion out of this thread, it isn't bigfoot related and adds nothing to the issue.

Other than that... Ella you're wrong, most of us here were never taken in by Mary's and Janice's claims. If you need a refresher on it just read the old threads.

If you're speaking in vague generalities, then it's probably safe to say that everyone has been lied to at some point in life. However, if you're insinuating that many people were taken in by the Green/Coy insanities, then I think you are way off the mark.

For some in the Woo Woo community, BF is a spiritual/religious issue.

You can take that comment two different ways, there's the Native American spiritual BF context, and then there's the EB fodder. Two different things imho.

Who raped who? I would think that sasquatch would have a little better taste.

Anyone taken in by Janice Carter...well ya need to open the eyes a bit LOL.

Paul and Peregrine: The claims made in that book (50 Years) about the Bigfoots on Janice's former farm are a non-issue to me at this point and are neither here nor there after all these years. What I meant in my post was that Janice pretends to be no-kill and to want to protect Bigfoots when she really would like to kill one for money and celebrity. This is the lie I was referring to, and it's a very dangerous lie, IMO, because she and her new group might possibly wind up shooting one to death. That thought is appalling to me, that's all. Yes, I meant that most of us have been lied to by people we trust, sometimes even family members and good friends. The more you trust someone, the more likely you are to believe the lies they tell you. I don't want Jan's group getting away with murdering one of these magnificent creatures, that's all.

Oops, posted twice, I'm sorry, posted twice, I thought I had lost this once. They say about the same thing.

Paul and Peregrine: Any claims made about the Bigfoots on that farm, after all these years, are a non-issue to me and are neither here nor there. What I meant by lying was that Janice claims to be no-kill but is really pro-kill and would like nothing better than to kill a Bigfoot for money and celebrity. This is the main untruth that just burns me up. Yes, we have all been lied to, often by people we trust, even family members. It's a sweeping generality, but it happens a lot, and pathological liars are the most convincing in many cases. Now Janice seems to have a new group of followers who believe she does not want to hurt Bigfoots, but if killing them isn't hurting them, I don't know what is. Hope the furballs give her a wide berth henceforth.

[edit] Never mind

Lovely to see you back, Ella.

So Janice is 'pro-kill'? So what? Lots of researchers are, and since Janice Carter/Coy is never going to see a real bigfoot, this too should be a non-issue for you.

Unless of course you still secretly believe Janice is telling the truth.

Lets be honest here Ella - you followed/follow Mary Green blindly for years. You believed everything she told you and everything that was written in the book. By extension, you also believed Janice Carter, which frankly, you should be as embarrassed as hell about, because the vast, vast majority of us could see that Mary Green was a fool and that Carter was a liar seven years ago, but you couldn't. Your actions, and those of Mary Green promoted Janice Carter, and helped her gain her followers - you should be proud of your accomplishment - shouldn't' you?

You often said that if this Carter business turned out to be fiction that you would be worried about Mary Green? Why? If she was stupid enough to be complicit in promoting the Carter lies, and wasn't able to actually 'research', why should anyone be worried about her? She was actively complicit in damaging the credibility of all bigfoot researchers, and now wants wants to distance herself from the book? Too late! - I have no sympathy for Mary Green or her band of sheep-like followers - Mary Green couldn't research her way out of a paper bag, let alone research a garlic-eatin', t-shirt wearin', old-novel talkin', barn poopin' bunch of bigfoot rapists.



Incidentally Ella, whatever happened to those friends of yours that had been feeding bigfoot on their porch from 2002 to 2003? Did they ever get to take a photo? I'm guessing not - funny how that seems to work isn't it?

So, do you believe the events related by Janice Coy in her book? Just curious.

What support can you provide for this opinion?

Well, since Fox and his kin can read minds, that wouldn't seem to be much of a likelihood.

*snort*

Thanks for the new sig line, Paul!

Paul and Peregrine: I honestly don't care any more one way or the other about those claims. That's the entire truth. I only posted here to express my sympathy for Mary Green, even though she has not had anything to do with me for several years for my being very critical of Janice while they were still research partners. No professional in a controversial field wants to be discredited, and that whole fiasco discredited Mary to the public, at least most of the Bigfoot community as the public.

In any case, it's all water under the bridge. Of course I supported Mary's research when we were close friends, and of course I believed her book, except for the part about "Blackie" raping that young woman. Now I don't know what to think, except that the farm was sold and leveled, so they say, and all the Bigfoots are gone. Yes, I believe Janice is lying about being no-kill, but I don't have any acceptable proof to back up my belief. Only hearsay that she had invited some pro-kill researchers to her farm to try to kill a Bigfoot. Now, Bobby Hamilton and Timberghost are pro-kill, but they do admit it and make no bones about it. I'm 100% no-kill, but I respect their honesty.

Was it Charles Hallmark who was feeding the Squatches? He is severely diabetic if he's still living and has left the public arena. I wish him the best.

On that happy note--yall all have a nice night.

Dude you forgot about the marshmallow roasting.

Yeah but where did Janice get or pull the hair from that Dr. Fahrenbach indentified as being from a Bigfoot?


Was it beaver ?...LOL

No way I'm touching that one Ty...



No way Mary is a professional, I don't care if the field is controversial or not. She ruined any credibility she ever *may* have had throwing in with Janice Coy to begin with.

You described them as your 'friends' back in August 2003, and referred to 'her' as a "totally credible and dedicated researcher", who had been feeding the bigfoot on her porch for about a year - you mentioned that the bigfoot even stack their plates after they have been fed! Sounded like something you would remember and keep in touch with them about unless it was another Janice Carter style fabrication that had you fooled again.




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Oh, and we mustn't leave out the pet spy hawk training.. can't forget about that!

I still would like to know about the "rape". Did Janice say she got raped by "Fox" or...

No, Janice claimed that some local girl had been raped by 'Blackie' - it was untrue of course. Carter named the girl and claimed she was still in a local mental institution, and had been there for 20-odd years - I called the institution and enquired discreetly, to be told that they did not treat, and never have treated any long-term patients.

To tell this sort of story and promote it as truth is the result of a very disturbed mind.


If anyone wants a copy of this stupid book, pm me.

If I recall correctly, it was Blackie that supposedly raped someone other than Janice. However, Janice can't get her timeline straight, and if one is to believe her, then Blackie was only a newborn when he supposedly raped someone. How the hell he managed that remains unexplained.

RayG

It was one of those "stories" that couldn't be proven. Coy said it was in the newspaper but the paper burned down and that the girl was in a mental institution and I think she claimed she knew the girl, and yep it was Blackie. Couldn't confirm that either.

The sasquatches used the barn loft to poop (thus the poop barn) but the females also birthed their babies there (claims made by Coy and Green)

The book is chock full of discrepancies that contradict themselves on the next page. A work of fiction and not a very good one. I didn't buy my book, I got the one that was being sent around to everyone on the forum and I was the last stop. The person before me used it for a coaster for a drink.

Our own Volsquatch was instrumental in investigating the claims made by Coy and actually made some phone calls to her neighbors.

Ah the memories.... The twistin', the turnin', the lyin' and the burnin'................

Good times.... *sigh* good times.....


And if any of you have questions about any of this....

Read the Book..........

God Bless

Well now that is creepier than I thought it would be. Thanks for the explanation.

Paul: My e-mail buddy passed away from diabetes and heart disease 4-5 years ago, you're right, at around age 70. I had not kept in touch with the family. But I do recall that Charles Hallmark also allegedly fed Squatches tacos in OK until he got too sick to go out in the field any more...I think that was it. He has, or had, end-stage diabetes and refused to be treated for it, so I heard, and may have passed away by now. If anyone has heard anything, I'd like to know. It's hard to keep up sometimes. I once had a lengthy e-mail correspondence at about the same time period with a young man in Washington, DC who had grown up in Austin, TX. He and some neighbors had several sightings of a very large flying creature in the Balcones area that sounded just like a Pteranodon, and he didn't know what it was. He said he was going back someday to try to find it, or one like it, and that's the last I heard. But that would go under the "Crypto" forum in any case.

I haven't had my "50 Years" book in a few years either. Craig Heinselman's house in CT burned down, and with it all his BF and other CZ research material was destroyed. A bunch of us on CZ.com sent him stuff to help replace what he had lost, and I sent him several books, that being one of them. But about 3 years ago, if I'm not mistaken about the time frame, Janice and her friend Tom were on CZ.com to debate and answer questions, and one of the claims they made was that the "Bigfoot language" contained ancient Akkadian (Assyrian) vocabulary, which I just find totally ridiculous. At least, if my memory serves, that was one of the claims. She named some other languages, but I don't recall which ones. CZ.com members demanded proof of her claims, and they became hostile and left. Never came back.

I think Janice did snap a polaroid or two, textbook examples of the blobsquatch though. I seem to recall reading about her sending them off someplace for "analysis" but to my knowledge nothing ever came of them. Like most so-called definitive, irrefutable, positive "proof" some sort of curse seems to follow it. Structures that have stood for a century spontaneously combust, floods wash them away, records are accidently destroyed, farms are plowed under etc. etc. I used to have some great photos of bigfoot sitting on my back fence eating fried chicken and drinking a slurpie; but I misplaced them. I seem to remember laying them in the Grail I use for candy dish, but when I moved I put them inside my Arch of the Covenant coffee table, which ironically my movers somehow managed to lose. Oh well, C'est la' vie.

ROTFL @ Dantallus!

What, you don't believe him?

Why, sure I do! It's just that Dantallus is gifted with a freer flight of fancy and better way with words than most people.

I appreciate that, but I think RayG and quite a few others have me by a longshot as far as being articulate goes.
AS for flights of fancy thats attributed to too many shots to the head

Don't forget about china-plate-eatin-off-of and basement/cellar hidin......


Wow, I'm with Titus............. strolling down memory lane was never so...... inexplicable and incoherent!!!

But I sure got a good laugh from all the reminiscing!

I'm sorry but...


BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Couldn't help myself, it was just too easy. Unfortunately, I think it was a fly-by for the intended.