Full Version: How to improve Yowie Research in Australia?
For one thing....no more photos of anyone in their skinsuits!!!..
Ya know what Rod... I don't think it is possible to improve yowie research in Australia because of the egos and personalities involved.
I think that is a yowie is ever to be caught, then it's going to be an shooter or a bushwalker coming across a corpse by accident (assuming of course that they exist, which I still think is highly unlikely).
There's a lot of people out there who are interested and sit in the moddle of the debate regardless of whether they believe or not. Unfortunately it's the peronalities that seem to drive the agenda and drag the research down by assuming any report involving a yowie must be true by default.
Until one is found, Yowie research is highly unlikely to ever achieve any credibility whilst the likes of Harrison, Gilroy and TYM represent the benchmark.
I think that is a yowie is ever to be caught, then it's going to be an shooter or a bushwalker coming across a corpse by accident (assuming of course that they exist, which I still think is highly unlikely).
There's a lot of people out there who are interested and sit in the moddle of the debate regardless of whether they believe or not. Unfortunately it's the peronalities that seem to drive the agenda and drag the research down by assuming any report involving a yowie must be true by default.
Until one is found, Yowie research is highly unlikely to ever achieve any credibility whilst the likes of Harrison, Gilroy and TYM represent the benchmark.
Well Crypto mate...maybe you and I better go out and catch ourselves a bloody Yowie to end the debate.....what are you doing next weekend..I am free between 2am-5am Saturday night....Meet you at the back of Neil's place.....say around 2.30am.....we'll go sit somewhere in the scrub cross-legged and get half-pissed, then go 'arse over tit' and fly 12 feet into the air in the dark over a 'Yowie Mound', whilst chasing ourselves down one that stinks like sulphur ....hit the prick over the head with a branch from one of its 'stick structures', that are everywhere nowadays......and drag him in...throw him into a freezer......you can call the media and I'll get us an agent and a TV deal........so.....how about it? 
wow dude, you are violent !!!!!
hit the prick over the head with a branch from one of its 'stick structures', that are everywhere nowadays......and drag him in...throw him into a freezer....
could you just be happy to see one?
hit the prick over the head with a branch from one of its 'stick structures', that are everywhere nowadays......and drag him in...throw him into a freezer....
could you just be happy to see one?
Lordy, lordy... I just read my last post, which I posted from my Linux box that has a very small font. Talk about typo's. 
Rod...warm up the bacon and get the IR/NV/Parabolic Listeners/Trailcams/on charge...
You hit it on the head, I'll get the bruise photos after it's finished with you...You'll probably need a fair bit of Boag's.
Rod...warm up the bacon and get the IR/NV/Parabolic Listeners/Trailcams/on charge...
You hit it on the head, I'll get the bruise photos after it's finished with you...You'll probably need a fair bit of Boag's.
Stop selling beer
Hi
hit the prick over the head with a branch from one of its 'stick structures', that are everywhere nowadays......and drag him in...throw him into a freezer......
Rod ~ Is a very colorful character isn't he.
Peace
Tim
hit the prick over the head with a branch from one of its 'stick structures', that are everywhere nowadays......and drag him in...throw him into a freezer......
Rod ~ Is a very colorful character isn't he.
Peace
Tim
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....hit the prick over the head with a branch from one of its 'stick structures', that are everywhere nowadays......and drag him in...throw him into a freezer......you can call the media and I'll get us an agent and a TV deal........so.....how about it?
You keep chattin it up with them GA boys and we'll have to take you to the veteranarian to get some stupidity shots.
All kidding aside, I'm not sure I understand why you made this thread. (other than self PR)
Research in AU couldnt\wouldnt\shouldnt be all that different than anywhere else in the world.
If you have large geographic areas conducive to what we believe to be BF habitation, (which it appears you guys do) and have sightings hotspots (ditto) then develope a plan, fund the plan, deploy the plan and don't say anything to anybody what so ever until you have something very material to work with.
Anything less is just a pissing contest on a thread here or there or somewhere else.
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QUOTE(Rod @ Jun 14 2009, 05:29 AM) 
For one thing....no more photos of anyone in their skinsuits!!!..
^^^...... holding their junk in front of farm animals.
If you think a story is BS.... say so. But there is no need to say so 7,983 different ways. No need to crucify anyone.
When debating a claim....In order not to discourage others from coming forward with a report, try to leave out the proto-science and pseudo-science. If that other thread went on any longer, we probably would have seen some alchemy, astrology and voodoo.
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jun 14 2009, 01:19 PM)
^^^...... holding their junk in front of farm animals.
If you think a story is BS.... say so. But there is no need to say so 7,983 different ways. No need to crucify anyone.
When debating a claim....In order not to discourage others from coming forward with a report, try to leave out the proto-science and pseudo-science. If that other thread went on any longer, we probably would have seen some alchemy, astrology and voodoo.
If you think a story is BS.... say so. But there is no need to say so 7,983 different ways. No need to crucify anyone.
When debating a claim....In order not to discourage others from coming forward with a report, try to leave out the proto-science and pseudo-science. If that other thread went on any longer, we probably would have seen some alchemy, astrology and voodoo.
Furious, I luvya mate...again, beautifully said....
The reason I started this thread was because Night Walker brought up the question in his last post in Footprint Analysis, and I figured it may lead the debate into a more productive area instead of the path it had been going....
and, yeh maybe I have been listening too much to Hunster....not only am I beginning to genuinely like the guy...I am becoming just like him!!!!
George - I believe it was alchemy, astrology and voodoo that lead to claims of "yowie attack" in the first place. False claims need to be challenged. If you believe any of my analyses were faulty you are welcome to outline your reasoning. We don't get many yowie reports in Australia and I make no apologies for closely examining the evidence rather than simply believing what I am told.
Rod - unfortunately, I don't think the will exists to improve and/or co-ordinate research efforts to any significant degree. Researchers do their own thing in their own area which is fine. Aside from forming a loose-alliance of like-minded researchers I can only suggest:
1) Document everything in as much detail as possible. Photos, transcripts, audio, measurements, re-creations - make them available to all via an online source. We need to move beyond simply collecting stories.
2) Scrutiny. We need to become our own harshest critics otherwise there are plenty of others who are more than willing to discredit our findings.
Rod - unfortunately, I don't think the will exists to improve and/or co-ordinate research efforts to any significant degree. Researchers do their own thing in their own area which is fine. Aside from forming a loose-alliance of like-minded researchers I can only suggest:
1) Document everything in as much detail as possible. Photos, transcripts, audio, measurements, re-creations - make them available to all via an online source. We need to move beyond simply collecting stories.
2) Scrutiny. We need to become our own harshest critics otherwise there are plenty of others who are more than willing to discredit our findings.
Too much detail and scrutiny will amount to a hill of beans night walker....there is only so much detail and scrutiny you can use with the threads of evidence we have for such a elusive animal...from someone who has been collecting sightings from people and wandered round the bush up North looking for signs....detail and scrutiny will be a tool rarely used..abit like the 3 headed hammer or the saw with no teeth.....
If I ever get any 'meaty' stuff that requires some thorough detail and scrutiny..you'll be the man I call....but there is about us much 'meaty' stuff in regard to Yowies... as there is in a bowl of vegetable soup....
The only real issue with the AYR debacle has been the BS told from the get-go....If Dean said, something knocked me for six...what it was I do not know, but maybe it was a Yowie...then there is no issue....but he did not, and thats where the problems began.....
What needs to happen here in Australia is some new faces getting involved....collect the stories...keep a low profile....ban Cammo gear and Steve Irwin clothes...share what you have with others....claim nothing until proof is available......any chest-thumping wanker with a swagger and an agenda is quickly told to 'pull his head in'....or words to that effect......lets just get the evidence together first...which includes sightings... a network of people willing to spread the word round areas where sightings have occurred(I found that worked very well up North)..you'll be surprised what you turn up....I found ringing old retired timber-workers worked wonders....you cannot beat the old word of mouth in rural communities....they all had a great story to tell about something in the bush......we need more physical 'soft proof' like footprints, for we have next to none, and what there is, most seem very dodgy.......
Don't waste our time on rock-piles and stick structures and tree-bites....they are but distractions that lead nowhere....and most of all keep perspective clear and objectivity the first tool used..
If I ever get any 'meaty' stuff that requires some thorough detail and scrutiny..you'll be the man I call....but there is about us much 'meaty' stuff in regard to Yowies... as there is in a bowl of vegetable soup....
The only real issue with the AYR debacle has been the BS told from the get-go....If Dean said, something knocked me for six...what it was I do not know, but maybe it was a Yowie...then there is no issue....but he did not, and thats where the problems began.....
What needs to happen here in Australia is some new faces getting involved....collect the stories...keep a low profile....ban Cammo gear and Steve Irwin clothes...share what you have with others....claim nothing until proof is available......any chest-thumping wanker with a swagger and an agenda is quickly told to 'pull his head in'....or words to that effect......lets just get the evidence together first...which includes sightings... a network of people willing to spread the word round areas where sightings have occurred(I found that worked very well up North)..you'll be surprised what you turn up....I found ringing old retired timber-workers worked wonders....you cannot beat the old word of mouth in rural communities....they all had a great story to tell about something in the bush......we need more physical 'soft proof' like footprints, for we have next to none, and what there is, most seem very dodgy.......
Don't waste our time on rock-piles and stick structures and tree-bites....they are but distractions that lead nowhere....and most of all keep perspective clear and objectivity the first tool used..
I thought Yowies were commonplace in OZ. Alot of reports and stuff I read sounds like people have a pretty good grasp on Yowie behavior and how to deal with them.
Night Walker, don't get me wrong, you did a good job calling him out. It's great to question everything and not take that story at face value. You were right. I was interjecting because you kept bashing his brains in.
It was pretty obvious what happened there, and you did a good job trying to prove it. The guy was out looking for the Yowie with his buddies. They startled some deer, which fled and he got knocked on his keister by a doe that came tearing through the bush. When his buddies came to his aid, is he going to say it was a deer or a Yowie? If you are looking for the Yowie for hours on end, every animal that you can't see that well in the night becomes the Yowie. He went with Yowie to save face..... 19 feet tall with fangs, and arms and legs the size of telephone poles. Only he didn't see it.
It was pretty obvious what happened there, and you did a good job trying to prove it. The guy was out looking for the Yowie with his buddies. They startled some deer, which fled and he got knocked on his keister by a doe that came tearing through the bush. When his buddies came to his aid, is he going to say it was a deer or a Yowie? If you are looking for the Yowie for hours on end, every animal that you can't see that well in the night becomes the Yowie. He went with Yowie to save face..... 19 feet tall with fangs, and arms and legs the size of telephone poles. Only he didn't see it.
Pure genius george..pure genius....I've been thinking that all along....you got a way with words buddy...cheers
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...share what you have with others....claim nothing until proof is available......
There is nothing to find, the whole ideal is a Western construct. That is why any books are woefully incorrect regarding local information.
The Aussie Yowie is a term coined by Rex Gilroy in the 70's. The indigenous Yowie is a bizarre, hybrid beast resembling a cross between a lizard and an ant with big red eyes on the side of his head, big canine teeth and large fangs. It emerges from the ground at night to eat whatever it can find, including humans. The story of the hairy man Yowie was imported like Cane Toads.
If Oz had any other Hominid inhabitants beside the indigenous, they would have been the diminutive Homo Florensis, or a close relative. Not a Patty clone, such creatures cannot survive in our climates, a 9 foot tall hairy beast would certainly die in an Australian harsh summer. Just like Meganthropus did when he had to deal with climate change.
The Aussie Yowie is a term coined by Rex Gilroy in the 70's. The indigenous Yowie is a bizarre, hybrid beast resembling a cross between a lizard and an ant with big red eyes on the side of his head, big canine teeth and large fangs. It emerges from the ground at night to eat whatever it can find, including humans. The story of the hairy man Yowie was imported like Cane Toads.
If Oz had any other Hominid inhabitants beside the indigenous, they would have been the diminutive Homo Florensis, or a close relative. Not a Patty clone, such creatures cannot survive in our climates, a 9 foot tall hairy beast would certainly die in an Australian harsh summer. Just like Meganthropus did when he had to deal with climate change.
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jun 24 2009, 09:19 PM)
There is nothing to find, the whole ideal is a Western construct. That is why any books are woefully incorrect regarding local information.
The Aussie Yowie is a term coined by Rex Gilroy in the 70's. The indigenous Yowie is a bizarre, hybrid beast resembling a cross between a lizard and an ant with big red eyes on the side of his head, big canine teeth and large fangs. It emerges from the ground at night to eat whatever it can find, including humans. The story of the hairy man Yowie was imported like Cane Toads.
If Oz had any other Hominid inhabitants beside the indigenous, they would have been the diminutive Homo Florensis, or a close relative. Not a Patty clone, such creatures cannot survive in our climates, a 9 foot tall hairy beast would certainly die in an Australian harsh summer. Just like Meganthropus did when he had to deal with climate change.
The Aussie Yowie is a term coined by Rex Gilroy in the 70's. The indigenous Yowie is a bizarre, hybrid beast resembling a cross between a lizard and an ant with big red eyes on the side of his head, big canine teeth and large fangs. It emerges from the ground at night to eat whatever it can find, including humans. The story of the hairy man Yowie was imported like Cane Toads.
If Oz had any other Hominid inhabitants beside the indigenous, they would have been the diminutive Homo Florensis, or a close relative. Not a Patty clone, such creatures cannot survive in our climates, a 9 foot tall hairy beast would certainly die in an Australian harsh summer. Just like Meganthropus did when he had to deal with climate change.
psyche101...you got no idea what your talking about mate......have you ever spoken to anyone who has seen one...Have you ever spoken to indigenous people....I have...lots of them, and they do not describe the drivel you just expoused...your just making it up mate....go talk to people who claim to of seen one....not throw out a few generalisations..your arguments are all the more weaker because of the fact.....The name Yowie, is rarely used up North...here they simply call it..'hairy man'....indige mob call it 'jangery or dumbin'...so save me with your Rex Gilroy stuff...yes, he is a quack, but that does not make the possibility of a Yowie existing so.....you also, wave a hand and decide the Thylacine extinct....based on, well we have not caught one yet....whose looking?...and how hard is it to catch one?...have you any idea?.....have you even been out in the wild places where Thylacines are said to still dwell?..ever wandered round these places at night?...I doubt it...cheers
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jun 25 2009, 01:19 PM)
There is nothing to find, the whole ideal is a Western construct. That is why any books are woefully incorrect regarding local information.
The Aussie Yowie is a term coined by Rex Gilroy in the 70's. The indigenous Yowie is a bizarre, hybrid beast resembling a cross between a lizard and an ant with big red eyes on the side of his head, big canine teeth and large fangs. It emerges from the ground at night to eat whatever it can find, including humans. The story of the hairy man Yowie was imported like Cane Toads.
If Oz had any other Hominid inhabitants beside the indigenous, they would have been the diminutive Homo Florensis, or a close relative. Not a Patty clone, such creatures cannot survive in our climates, a 9 foot tall hairy beast would certainly die in an Australian harsh summer. Just like Meganthropus did when he had to deal with climate change.
The Aussie Yowie is a term coined by Rex Gilroy in the 70's. The indigenous Yowie is a bizarre, hybrid beast resembling a cross between a lizard and an ant with big red eyes on the side of his head, big canine teeth and large fangs. It emerges from the ground at night to eat whatever it can find, including humans. The story of the hairy man Yowie was imported like Cane Toads.
If Oz had any other Hominid inhabitants beside the indigenous, they would have been the diminutive Homo Florensis, or a close relative. Not a Patty clone, such creatures cannot survive in our climates, a 9 foot tall hairy beast would certainly die in an Australian harsh summer. Just like Meganthropus did when he had to deal with climate change.
you wouldnt think large animals like horses, buffalo and camels could survive in australia either, especially when the feral ones we have today originally came from domesticated stock. somehow they have taught themselves how to not just survive, but also to thrive. so i wouldnt think it was too hard for a creature like the yowie to survive, and i wouldnt think this animal would have a diet too unlike our aboriginal friends, and once again they did pretty well here also
I'm sorry to disappoint you psyche101, but the Australian Yowie is as physically real as you or I, or the American Bigfoot - well to be politically correct, physically real at least some of the time! They are no imported fantasy or product of hallucination or wild imaginations. Some do reach heights of eight feet tall, which is comparable to the American Bigfoot.
Then why is there no proof that they exist or any conclusive evidence beyond plaster casts??
Why is the Yowie community in Oz so fractious and dis-joint??
Why is it that someone like Dean Harrison can stroll into the bush and conjure up a yowie on demand but yet he still can't get any evidence?? How many encounters has he had now??
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'??
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale??
Why do some have fangs and some don't??
and on and on and on and on...
Maybe they do exist...probably they don't.
The only way to improve yowie research in Australia is to get rid of the Harrison's, TYM's and Gilroy's. They are the reason that the subject is not taken seriously. When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
Why is the Yowie community in Oz so fractious and dis-joint??
Why is it that someone like Dean Harrison can stroll into the bush and conjure up a yowie on demand but yet he still can't get any evidence?? How many encounters has he had now??
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'??
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale??
Why do some have fangs and some don't??
and on and on and on and on...
Maybe they do exist...probably they don't.
The only way to improve yowie research in Australia is to get rid of the Harrison's, TYM's and Gilroy's. They are the reason that the subject is not taken seriously. When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
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When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
LOL I can just hear that brit accent narration on a BF documentary in the way Planet Earth is.
"Notice how bigfoot gliiiides through shadows beneath the forest canopy, always alert, using his amazing olphactory senses to sniff out threats, or the next meal. This is truly an apex predator."
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QUOTE(Night Stalker @ Jun 25 2009, 08:31 AM)
LOL I can just hear that brit accent narration on a BF documentary in the way Planet Earth is.
"Notice how bigfoot gliiiides through shadows beneath the forest canopy, always alert, using his amazing olphactory senses to sniff out threats, or the next meal. This is truly an apex predator."
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"Notice how bigfoot gliiiides through shadows beneath the forest canopy, always alert, using his amazing olphactory senses to sniff out threats, or the next meal. This is truly an apex predator."
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It's a Southern English accent, not British...
QUOTE(CryptoSchmypto @ Jun 25 2009, 10:00 PM)
Then why is there no proof that they exist or any conclusive evidence beyond plaster casts??
Why is the Yowie community in Oz so fractious and dis-joint??
Why is it that someone like Dean Harrison can stroll into the bush and conjure up a yowie on demand but yet he still can't get any evidence?? How many encounters has he had now??
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'??
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale??
Why do some have fangs and some don't??
and on and on and on and on...
Maybe they do exist...probably they don't.
The only way to improve yowie research in Australia is to get rid of the Harrison's, TYM's and Gilroy's. They are the reason that the subject is not taken seriously. When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
Why is the Yowie community in Oz so fractious and dis-joint??
Why is it that someone like Dean Harrison can stroll into the bush and conjure up a yowie on demand but yet he still can't get any evidence?? How many encounters has he had now??
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'??
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale??
Why do some have fangs and some don't??
and on and on and on and on...
Maybe they do exist...probably they don't.
The only way to improve yowie research in Australia is to get rid of the Harrison's, TYM's and Gilroy's. They are the reason that the subject is not taken seriously. When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
sir david attenborough is very interested in yowie and bigfoot, he said on a tv interview only a couple months back that he believes there is quite a possabillity that bigfoot is real, sorry ive got no link, but im sure you will find it on youtube, who knows he may come out of retirement for the worlds biggest encore, to present bigfoot to the world.
Nice response lilfoot......
QUOTE(lil foot @ Jun 26 2009, 11:04 AM)
sir david attenborough is very interested in yowie and bigfoot, he said on a tv interview only a couple months back that he believes there is quite a possabillity that bigfoot is real, sorry ive got no link, but im sure you will find it on youtube, who knows he may come out of retirement for the worlds biggest encore, to present bigfoot to the world.
Hi lil foot,
I'm afraid your very mistaken about Sir David's quote. He simply said, "I'm baffled by the Abominable Snowman--very convincing footprints have been found at 19,000 feet. No-one does that for a joke."
That quote and the interview includes nothing about either BF or Yowie.
Neither does it imply in your words, "that he believes there is quite a possabillity that bigfoot is real." It simply implies that he is baffled about a set of footprints found in a very high and remote place.
I'm sure that if he was as interested as you imply then he would invest some time into Yeti research, which to date I do not believe he has done.
This is another good example of taking a small admission of interest and spinning it up into a more interesting but incorrect version of the story. Something that AYR seem to be very good at. Hence the purpose behind this thread.
QUOTE(CryptoSchmypto @ Jun 25 2009, 10:30 PM)
Then why is there no proof that they exist or any conclusive evidence beyond plaster casts??
Why is the Yowie community in Oz so fractious and dis-joint??
Why is it that someone like Dean Harrison can stroll into the bush and conjure up a yowie on demand but yet he still can't get any evidence?? How many encounters has he had now??
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'??
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale??
Why do some have fangs and some don't??
and on and on and on and on...
Maybe they do exist...probably they don't.
The only way to improve yowie research in Australia is to get rid of the Harrison's, TYM's and Gilroy's. They are the reason that the subject is not taken seriously. When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
Why is the Yowie community in Oz so fractious and dis-joint??
Why is it that someone like Dean Harrison can stroll into the bush and conjure up a yowie on demand but yet he still can't get any evidence?? How many encounters has he had now??
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'??
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale??
Why do some have fangs and some don't??
and on and on and on and on...
Maybe they do exist...probably they don't.
The only way to improve yowie research in Australia is to get rid of the Harrison's, TYM's and Gilroy's. They are the reason that the subject is not taken seriously. When Sir David Attenborough gets interested then there might be a chance of success.
How is it that the size of the yowie varies between 4' and 12'?? Dunno, I've seen people in that height range though
Why do they're eyes glow red or white or green depending on who is telling the tale?? Same as a dog's eyes depending on whether you are using an LED or an incandescent light source?
Why do some have fangs and some don't?? Why do some people have wisdom teeth, yet some never grow them? Why do some people have gaps between their teeth? Or have prominent buck teeth/eyeteeth?
I'm guessing that Yowies are like people - they are all different, even though there are seemingly a lot less of 'em than there are people, which means they probably have a pretty diverse gene pool. Also, we don't know if the fang development comes with great age, or hair colour changes like our hair does as we age.
There are a lot of questions, and we just don't know the answers yet, but it's not unreasonable to see what I'm getting at could be logical.
AussieAussie
Rod said,
"For one thing....no more photos of anyone in their skinsuits!!!.."
I have to assume "no more photos of anyone in their skinsuits" includes yowie people. What a loss to this site! Oh well, perhaps the AYR site will be more accomodating towards photos of our hairy human neighbours...
"For one thing....no more photos of anyone in their skinsuits!!!.."
I have to assume "no more photos of anyone in their skinsuits" includes yowie people. What a loss to this site! Oh well, perhaps the AYR site will be more accomodating towards photos of our hairy human neighbours...
QUOTE(CryptoSchmypto @ Jun 26 2009, 08:13 PM)
Hi lil foot,
I'm afraid your very mistaken about Sir David's quote. He simply said, "I'm baffled by the Abominable Snowman--very convincing footprints have been found at 19,000 feet. No-one does that for a joke."
That quote and the interview includes nothing about either BF or Yowie.
Neither does it imply in your words, "that he believes there is quite a possabillity that bigfoot is real." It simply implies that he is baffled about a set of footprints found in a very high and remote place.
I'm sure that if he was as interested as you imply then he would invest some time into Yeti research, which to date I do not believe he has done.
This is another good example of taking a small admission of interest and spinning it up into a more interesting but incorrect version of the story. Something that AYR seem to be very good at. Hence the purpose behind this thread.
I'm afraid your very mistaken about Sir David's quote. He simply said, "I'm baffled by the Abominable Snowman--very convincing footprints have been found at 19,000 feet. No-one does that for a joke."
That quote and the interview includes nothing about either BF or Yowie.
Neither does it imply in your words, "that he believes there is quite a possabillity that bigfoot is real." It simply implies that he is baffled about a set of footprints found in a very high and remote place.
I'm sure that if he was as interested as you imply then he would invest some time into Yeti research, which to date I do not believe he has done.
This is another good example of taking a small admission of interest and spinning it up into a more interesting but incorrect version of the story. Something that AYR seem to be very good at. Hence the purpose behind this thread.
sorry mate, my mistake, hadnt seen it for a while, and although my words were wrong, my belief is that sir attenborough may not have said i believe, but he also didnt say he wasnt a believer and if you read his expressions and body language he does tend to be more on 'the truth is out there' side.
as for placing yetis with yowies and bfs, that came from the interviewers question, he asked attenborough whether he believed in creatures like the yeti, bigfoot and the lochness monster, sir richard responded with a definate answer of no, for the existence of nessie and gave a few reasons. but for bf and yeti he was definately leaning toward yes. a fence sitter? maybe, but obviously willing to climb on over.
Hi there lil foot,
Good reply but just a couple of things:
The post was about about Sir David Attenborough. Richard Attenborough is his actor brother.
As for your conclusion that he is fence sitting and willing to climb on over...I think that's a bit of a long bow to draw on the face of one comment about being baffled.
We're all prepared to climb the fence if somebody comes up with some half-decent evidence.
Still... the actual point of my post was to ask, how is it that there is no concrete evidence of Yowies/Yetis/Bigfoots after decades of searching yet hoaxers like Harrison seem to be able to find them at will whenever they go bush...Yet they still don't have anything evidential to show for it except for plaster casts (some of which are most obviously human feet).
Getting back to the point of Rods thread. The sooner that hoaxers like Harrison go away the better. If he were to step down then AYR might stand a chance of regaining it's lost credibility. That would be a good thing for yowie research in Oz.
Good reply but just a couple of things:
The post was about about Sir David Attenborough. Richard Attenborough is his actor brother.
As for your conclusion that he is fence sitting and willing to climb on over...I think that's a bit of a long bow to draw on the face of one comment about being baffled.
We're all prepared to climb the fence if somebody comes up with some half-decent evidence.
Still... the actual point of my post was to ask, how is it that there is no concrete evidence of Yowies/Yetis/Bigfoots after decades of searching yet hoaxers like Harrison seem to be able to find them at will whenever they go bush...Yet they still don't have anything evidential to show for it except for plaster casts (some of which are most obviously human feet).
Getting back to the point of Rods thread. The sooner that hoaxers like Harrison go away the better. If he were to step down then AYR might stand a chance of regaining it's lost credibility. That would be a good thing for yowie research in Oz.
sorry again mate, richard, david, you know who i mean.
when it comes to improving yowie research.........i think its best we get in the sticks more often in small groups without BOOZE. i do find research groups like this a joke and obviously they werent too serious about the research as they drive through the bottleo on the way there.
i enjoy posting and reading of peoples ideas and findings on a website, but i dont think the website or the people who run the websites are in anyway the key or big kahuna of yowie research. it really lies with all who have got the b*lls to go out and trying to prove to THEMSELVES whether the yowie is out there or not. myself, im one who enjoys and prefers to go out alone or with one mate, i dont need the influence of the mob mentality.
to those who say bff is the best site, bfro are crap, ayr are tossers.............who cares, they are just places to learn, agree, disagree, meet some great people, and also some space cadets. these sites are just gathering places for the mob and we are all different, so dont take it so seriously and enjoy the mysterys of this earth.
when it comes to improving yowie research.........i think its best we get in the sticks more often in small groups without BOOZE. i do find research groups like this a joke and obviously they werent too serious about the research as they drive through the bottleo on the way there.
i enjoy posting and reading of peoples ideas and findings on a website, but i dont think the website or the people who run the websites are in anyway the key or big kahuna of yowie research. it really lies with all who have got the b*lls to go out and trying to prove to THEMSELVES whether the yowie is out there or not. myself, im one who enjoys and prefers to go out alone or with one mate, i dont need the influence of the mob mentality.
to those who say bff is the best site, bfro are crap, ayr are tossers.............who cares, they are just places to learn, agree, disagree, meet some great people, and also some space cadets. these sites are just gathering places for the mob and we are all different, so dont take it so seriously and enjoy the mysterys of this earth.
QUOTE(lil foot @ Jun 28 2009, 05:35 PM)
sorry again mate, richard, david, you know who i mean.
when it comes to improving yowie research.........i think its best we get in the sticks more often in small groups without BOOZE.
when it comes to improving yowie research.........i think its best we get in the sticks more often in small groups without BOOZE.
Agree
QUOTE(lil foot @ Jun 28 2009, 05:35 PM)
i do find research groups like this a joke and obviously they weren't too serious about the research as they drive through the bottleo on the way there.
Agree (assuming that you are referring to AYR and other equally less scrupulous groups)
QUOTE(lil foot @ Jun 28 2009, 05:35 PM)
i enjoy posting and reading of peoples ideas and findings on a website, but i dont think the website or the people who run the websites are in anyway the key or big kahuna of yowie research.
Agree
QUOTE(lil foot @ Jun 28 2009, 05:35 PM)
it really lies with all who have got the b*lls to go out and trying to prove to THEMSELVES whether the yowie is out there or not. myself, im one who enjoys and prefers to go out alone or with one mate, i dont need the influence of the mob mentality.
Agree; although I'd like to see some genuine evidence. Nothing I have ever seen or witnessed has ever given me any reason or cause to believe that they exist.
QUOTE(lil foot @ Jun 28 2009, 05:35 PM)
to those who say bff is the best site, bfro are crap, ayr are tossers.............who cares, they are just places to learn, agree, disagree, meet some great people, and also some space cadets. these sites are just gathering places for the mob and we are all different, so dont take it so seriously and enjoy the mysterys of this earth.
Disagree. AYR as one of the (supposed) leading yowie research organisations has lost any credibility that it may have had because of their unethical treatment of anybody who offers contrary opinions and their leaders propensity to make up stories for self agrandisement.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions.
Big on blowing your trumpet, but what's your contribution ever been to the crypto community, cryptoshmypto? The way you big note your opinions, surely you're the author of at least one crypto related magazine article, or contributed to the production of a crypto related book, and you've personally investigated dozens of yowie sightings. Your research credentials must be staggering, almost beyond belief! Don't be modest, and don't leave anything out!
How's life as a mushroom, anyway?
Big on blowing your trumpet, but what's your contribution ever been to the crypto community, cryptoshmypto? The way you big note your opinions, surely you're the author of at least one crypto related magazine article, or contributed to the production of a crypto related book, and you've personally investigated dozens of yowie sightings. Your research credentials must be staggering, almost beyond belief! Don't be modest, and don't leave anything out!
How's life as a mushroom, anyway?
QUOTE(BANNER @ Jul 4 2009, 05:57 AM)
Everyone's entitled to their opinions.
Big on blowing your trumpet, but what's your contribution ever been to the crypto community, cryptoshmypto? The way you big note your opinions, surely you're the author of at least one crypto related magazine article, or contributed to the production of a crypto related book, and you've personally investigated dozens of yowie sightings. Your research credentials must be staggering, almost beyond belief! Don't be modest, and don't leave anything out!
How's life as a mushroom, anyway?
Big on blowing your trumpet, but what's your contribution ever been to the crypto community, cryptoshmypto? The way you big note your opinions, surely you're the author of at least one crypto related magazine article, or contributed to the production of a crypto related book, and you've personally investigated dozens of yowie sightings. Your research credentials must be staggering, almost beyond belief! Don't be modest, and don't leave anything out!
How's life as a mushroom, anyway?
That's precisely right Banner. EVERYBODY is entitled to they're opinions. The difference is in how they express them. I'm glad that you have come to BFF to show them how you treat people on AYR...That's exactly why most thinking people leave AYR.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion (which I respect) but I'll leave the insults to you. I have no need to play that game.
I'll just say that I don't believe that I've been blowing my trumpet about anything and I'm the first to admit that my opinions could be wrong; however, I will retain my right to my opinions until such time as someone like you provides some actual proof that Yowies are real.
In support of my opinion regarding the 'Dean vs Yowie Hoax', I'll refer you to NightWalkers excellent analysis. I'll also refer you back to your AYR site that is still yet to prove anything other it's unethical treatment of anyone who challenges Harrision's tall tales.
My sincere regards to you...
Cryptoschmypto, you say you'll leave the insults up to me and won't play that game, yet in five out of seven of your posts in this thread, you find a way of insulting both AYR as a collection of researchers and Dean Harrison as an individual:
1. “Getting back to the point of Rods thread. The sooner that hoaxers like Harrison go away the better. If he were to step down then AYR might stand a chance of regaining it's lost credibility. That would be a good thing for yowie research in Oz. “
2. “Disagree. AYR as one of the (supposed) leading yowie research organisations has lost any credibility that it may have had because of their unethical treatment of anybody who offers contrary opinions and their leaders propensity to make up stories for self agrandisement.”
3. “This is another good example of taking a small admission of interest and spinning it up into a more interesting but incorrect version of the story. Something that AYR seem to be very good at.”
4. “Until one is found, Yowie research is highly unlikely to ever achieve any credibility whilst the likes of Harrison, Gilroy and TYM represent the benchmark.”
5. “AYR site that is still yet to prove anything other it's unethical treatment of anyone who challenges Harrision's tall tales.”
Cryptoschmypto, you are in the dark, hence the mushroom reference, but you're certainly not alone, and that was no insult. As comprehensive as Nightwalker's analysis is, it is only as good as that which informs it. I will be one of the ones at AYR that proves to you Yowies are indeed real and tangible, and to rub salt into the wound, that Harrison was being truthful all along. It's happening Cryptoschmypto. I don't make bold statements like that lightly. "Well, if you have the goods, show up or shut up!", I hear you thinking. Think very, very carefully about the scale of the scenario I've cryptidly painted, and consider ALL the ramifications, then take a step back. In the meantime, how about dropping the insults to those who are doing all the work?
1. “Getting back to the point of Rods thread. The sooner that hoaxers like Harrison go away the better. If he were to step down then AYR might stand a chance of regaining it's lost credibility. That would be a good thing for yowie research in Oz. “
2. “Disagree. AYR as one of the (supposed) leading yowie research organisations has lost any credibility that it may have had because of their unethical treatment of anybody who offers contrary opinions and their leaders propensity to make up stories for self agrandisement.”
3. “This is another good example of taking a small admission of interest and spinning it up into a more interesting but incorrect version of the story. Something that AYR seem to be very good at.”
4. “Until one is found, Yowie research is highly unlikely to ever achieve any credibility whilst the likes of Harrison, Gilroy and TYM represent the benchmark.”
5. “AYR site that is still yet to prove anything other it's unethical treatment of anyone who challenges Harrision's tall tales.”
Cryptoschmypto, you are in the dark, hence the mushroom reference, but you're certainly not alone, and that was no insult. As comprehensive as Nightwalker's analysis is, it is only as good as that which informs it. I will be one of the ones at AYR that proves to you Yowies are indeed real and tangible, and to rub salt into the wound, that Harrison was being truthful all along. It's happening Cryptoschmypto. I don't make bold statements like that lightly. "Well, if you have the goods, show up or shut up!", I hear you thinking. Think very, very carefully about the scale of the scenario I've cryptidly painted, and consider ALL the ramifications, then take a step back. In the meantime, how about dropping the insults to those who are doing all the work?
Dear Banner,
There is a marked difference between insult and opinion...
I have no 'beef' with you (whomever you are) nor do I feel the need to respond in the same vein as yourself and AYR. The opinions that I have expressed regarding Harrison and AYR are based solely on the publicly available information here, on AYR and other sites such as Cryptomundo and printed articles.
I firmly believe that 'yowie research in Australia' has been devalued by the likes of Harrison, Gilroy, TYM, etc.
In deference to Harrison's (and your) feelings I will no longer post on this matter.
I wish you well in your endeavors and good fortune in your life.
There is a marked difference between insult and opinion...
I have no 'beef' with you (whomever you are) nor do I feel the need to respond in the same vein as yourself and AYR. The opinions that I have expressed regarding Harrison and AYR are based solely on the publicly available information here, on AYR and other sites such as Cryptomundo and printed articles.
I firmly believe that 'yowie research in Australia' has been devalued by the likes of Harrison, Gilroy, TYM, etc.
In deference to Harrison's (and your) feelings I will no longer post on this matter.
I wish you well in your endeavors and good fortune in your life.
QUOTE(BANNER @ Jul 6 2009, 01:49 PM)
Harrison was being truthful all along.
???
Joe quit while AYR is behind. The complete lack evidence does not point to Harrison's account being true. Where are the bruises from being thrown 12 feet though the air onto his back onto granite??? What about the yellow bruises you yourself observed? hmmm yellowing happens after 7 to 8 days according to forensic reports. That's interesting eh?
I could remind you of Dean's Lies again but these good people are already aware of that event courtesy of Mike Williams as MBW on Cryptomundo. Do you want me to pull the BS "ENOUGH" post apart? Or the BS ..."aww we had a problem and lost some stuff" by Dean? Get over yourself and look at facts. Don't reduce yourself to emotional attachment to an organization built on lies. Maybe then you might understand why Dean lied about me and correct those eyes you look through in the future.
I really think your objective analysis has become a little soft....Hmmm "we found the torch and water upright"??? Are we there yet? Wasn't the torch and water knocked out of his hands??? hmm that's interesting isn't it??
Show us that "Harrison was telling the truth all along"...can't wait to see that.
You want to fall too?
Thump! <--- that was you hitting the ground after Dean.
Please do that...otherwise the Dean Harrison Yowie Attack will become the Dean Harrison Yowie Hoax.
Probablly try networking with bushmen and the tribes. Have Cards made up with what you what to do. No Name. Just an address or phone #
banner, are you still upsetting people? 
Your words show what it is like to question the hoax over at AYR. Its why no sensible person goes there anymore.
You arent helping AYRs cause at all. You say you will prove Harrison was being truthful all along yet you are the one who posted his
lies at Cryptomundo which Loren pointed out. Time for you to let someone else over at AYR take control of the driving for a while
because you are heading for a cliff.
The evidence that has been provided has been quite informative up to date and it all points to a hoax.
The only people who dont beleive it was a hoax are some AYR folk. If there is any evidence (or even a reply) from Harrison that suggests otherwise,
then put it on the table for everyone to see. His lack of reply to anybody who asks questions about his hoax attack exept for the media suggests
that it was only intended for one audience only.
Well I for one believe Harrison. I was actually swallowed whole by that same Yowie and was inside it's belly when I felt the contact. I said to myself, "That felt like we just hit a human". I'm surprised he didn't hear me yelling "Call 911" as we bolted away into the brush.
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jul 11 2009, 05:21 AM)
Well I for one believe Harrison. I was actually swallowed whole by that same Yowie and was inside it's belly when I felt the contact. I said to myself, "That felt like we just hit a human". I'm surprised he didn't hear me yelling "Call 911" as we bolted away into the brush.
Furious George said, "Well I for one believe Harrison. I was actually swallowed whole by that same Yowie and was inside it's belly when I felt the contact. I said to myself, "That felt like we just hit a human". I'm surprised he didn't hear me yelling "Call 911" as we bolted away into the brush."
Finally we have a plausible explanation for the sulphurous "rotten egg" smell Harrison said he could detect!
Finally we have a plausible explanation for the sulphurous "rotten egg" smell Harrison said he could detect!
I find it to be amazing banner that you have managed to annoy and badger CryptoSchmypto to the point where he is saying
I firmly believe that 'yowie research in Australia' has been devalued by the likes of Harrison, Gilroy, TYM, etc.
In deference to Harrison's (and your) feelings I will no longer post on this matter.
I wish you well in your endeavors and good fortune in your life.
CryptoSchmypto you shouldnt let banner disencourage you from posting on BFF because that is exactly what he does to people that disagrees with him on AYR all the time.the fact that he does it so much in AYR and then is able to come onto BFF and do exactly the same thing shows you the type of person that he really is.he bullies people into giving up.dont let him do it to you.
SuperAwesome
banner, are you still upsetting people? ranting.gif
Your words show what it is like to question the hoax over at AYR. Its why no sensible person goes there anymore.
You arent helping AYRs cause at all. You say you will prove Harrison was being truthful all along yet you are the one who posted his
lies at Cryptomundo which Loren pointed out. Time for you to let someone else over at AYR take control of the driving for a while
because you are heading for a cliff.
The evidence that has been provided has been quite informative up to date and it all points to a hoax.
The only people who dont beleive it was a hoax are some AYR folk. If there is any evidence (or even a reply) from Harrison that suggests otherwise,
then put it on the table for everyone to see. His lack of reply to anybody who asks questions about his hoax attack exept for the media suggests
that it was only intended for one audience only.
Even SuperAwesome says the same thing.I agree with SuperAwesome that harrison probably only intended to let just the faithfull followers of AYR know of the attack because he knew most of them would swallow the bullcrap but because of the resistense from 2 or 3 people that it was bullcrap led the world to hear about it. especially after harrisons nudie shots were posted by himself to back up his story.banner you should stop doing this to people.all what you are doing just discredits AYR even further and shows just how AYR moderaters treat people that disagree with them.how do you expect people to take AYR seriously ever again with your type of behavior?there are probably very few people posting over on AYR anymore because they know what to expect.I bet there are just the diehard faithfull posting only now.as YL1 says Joe quit while AYR is behind .just to let you know YL1 its not Joe its mike.isnt that right mike?and one more thing banner that rotten egg smell is AYRs credability decomposing.
Rod asked us all How to improve Yowie Research in Australia?.a great question Rod.one way to do it is to hold all reports up for questioning and not to take them on face value.bullcrappers will be exposed really quickly.you would think that harrison and AYR would have learned that lesson very quickly but when banner says
Cryptoschmypto, you are in the dark, hence the mushroom reference, but you're certainly not alone, and that was no insult. As comprehensive as Nightwalker's analysis is, it is only as good as that which informs it. I will be one of the ones at AYR that proves to you Yowies are indeed real and tangible, and to rub salt into the wound, that Harrison was being truthful all along. It's happening Cryptoschmypto. I don't make bold statements like that lightly. "Well, if you have the goods, show up or shut up!", I hear you thinking.Think very, very carefully about the scale of the scenario I've cryptidly painted, and consider ALL the ramifications, then take a step back.
It dont look like they have with banner saying that harrison was being truthfull all along does it?and the scale of the scenario that I've cryptidly painted?what does that actually mean?is that someones way of trying to sound well educated?its got me beat.CryptoSchmypto dont let banner silence you because that means his methods then have the same effect in BFF as they do in AYR.your intitled to your opinion here in BFF.he cant ban you here but he can wear you down.dont let him get away with it.keep posting.
I firmly believe that 'yowie research in Australia' has been devalued by the likes of Harrison, Gilroy, TYM, etc.
In deference to Harrison's (and your) feelings I will no longer post on this matter.
I wish you well in your endeavors and good fortune in your life.
CryptoSchmypto you shouldnt let banner disencourage you from posting on BFF because that is exactly what he does to people that disagrees with him on AYR all the time.the fact that he does it so much in AYR and then is able to come onto BFF and do exactly the same thing shows you the type of person that he really is.he bullies people into giving up.dont let him do it to you.
SuperAwesome
banner, are you still upsetting people? ranting.gif
Your words show what it is like to question the hoax over at AYR. Its why no sensible person goes there anymore.
You arent helping AYRs cause at all. You say you will prove Harrison was being truthful all along yet you are the one who posted his
lies at Cryptomundo which Loren pointed out. Time for you to let someone else over at AYR take control of the driving for a while
because you are heading for a cliff.
The evidence that has been provided has been quite informative up to date and it all points to a hoax.
The only people who dont beleive it was a hoax are some AYR folk. If there is any evidence (or even a reply) from Harrison that suggests otherwise,
then put it on the table for everyone to see. His lack of reply to anybody who asks questions about his hoax attack exept for the media suggests
that it was only intended for one audience only.
Even SuperAwesome says the same thing.I agree with SuperAwesome that harrison probably only intended to let just the faithfull followers of AYR know of the attack because he knew most of them would swallow the bullcrap but because of the resistense from 2 or 3 people that it was bullcrap led the world to hear about it. especially after harrisons nudie shots were posted by himself to back up his story.banner you should stop doing this to people.all what you are doing just discredits AYR even further and shows just how AYR moderaters treat people that disagree with them.how do you expect people to take AYR seriously ever again with your type of behavior?there are probably very few people posting over on AYR anymore because they know what to expect.I bet there are just the diehard faithfull posting only now.as YL1 says Joe quit while AYR is behind
.just to let you know YL1 its not Joe its mike.isnt that right mike?and one more thing banner that rotten egg smell is AYRs credability decomposing.Rod asked us all How to improve Yowie Research in Australia?.a great question Rod.one way to do it is to hold all reports up for questioning and not to take them on face value.bullcrappers will be exposed really quickly.you would think that harrison and AYR would have learned that lesson very quickly but when banner says
Cryptoschmypto, you are in the dark, hence the mushroom reference, but you're certainly not alone, and that was no insult. As comprehensive as Nightwalker's analysis is, it is only as good as that which informs it. I will be one of the ones at AYR that proves to you Yowies are indeed real and tangible, and to rub salt into the wound, that Harrison was being truthful all along. It's happening Cryptoschmypto. I don't make bold statements like that lightly. "Well, if you have the goods, show up or shut up!", I hear you thinking.Think very, very carefully about the scale of the scenario I've cryptidly painted, and consider ALL the ramifications, then take a step back.
It dont look like they have with banner saying that harrison was being truthfull all along does it?and the scale of the scenario that I've cryptidly painted?what does that actually mean?is that someones way of trying to sound well educated?its got me beat.CryptoSchmypto dont let banner silence you because that means his methods then have the same effect in BFF as they do in AYR.your intitled to your opinion here in BFF.he cant ban you here but he can wear you down.dont let him get away with it.keep posting.
Hey Joe, who upset "I'm surrounded by idiots" Mike Williams?
Seems telling when a giant in his field like MW has a falling out with his erstwhile chums.
By the way, feel free to insult me. I am not as polite as Crypto.
Seems telling when a giant in his field like MW has a falling out with his erstwhile chums.
By the way, feel free to insult me. I am not as polite as Crypto.
Thanks for dropping back in YL1! Perhaps now, you may be willing to tell us how many members of that group you participated in that bush piss-up earlier this year with, you A) told and showed those "fake" footprints you found to (and how many photos you took of them), before a deluge of rainfall washed them all away, and 
how many members from that group you've privately shared that sound recording we've all heard so much about, with?
Back to the topic, this raises two further areas Yowie Research In Australia can be improved. First, with people showing basic good manners, and second, with people remaining objective and impartial when conducting research.
how many members from that group you've privately shared that sound recording we've all heard so much about, with? Back to the topic, this raises two further areas Yowie Research In Australia can be improved. First, with people showing basic good manners, and second, with people remaining objective and impartial when conducting research.
C'mon Banner. Bring nice things from the AYR over here. It's interesting stuff. The Yowie stuff is fun to read. Just leave the old baggage behind. Every forum usually has a rule not to drag that kind of brawl from your site to their site. It's not polite.
wow banner are you wearing your mister grumpy pants tonite?oh no thats just you being your normal self isnt it?you should listen to Furious George this is not AYR after all!you should learn to be a little more polite on here.you wouldnt want to get yourself banned now would you banner? banner you want YL1 to answer two of your questions but what about you or someone from AYR answering the two THOUSAND questions asked in the Footprint Analysis thread that still remain unansewred by anyone from AYR?mike the Footprint Analysis thread is where your questions should have been raised and not in this thread of Rods because that is just being plain rude.and mike while you are here could you run along and get Joe to answer Marius question for you or why not just reply to Marius yourself mike?no point in bothering Joe after all is there?now remember mike be polite.
banner you want YL1 to answer two of your questions but what about you or someone from AYR answering the two THOUSAND questions asked in the Footprint Analysis thread that still remain unansewred by anyone from AYR?mike the Footprint Analysis thread is where your questions should have been raised and not in this thread of Rods because that is just being plain rude.and mike while you are here could you run along and get Joe to answer Marius question for you or why not just reply to Marius yourself mike?no point in bothering Joe after all is there?now remember mike be polite.
QUOTE(Furious_George @ Jul 16 2009, 05:33 PM)
C'mon Banner. Bring nice things from the AYR over here. It's interesting stuff. The Yowie stuff is fun to read. Just leave the old baggage behind. Every forum usually has a rule not to drag that kind of brawl from your site to their site. It's not polite.
Hi there FG,
Good call. This is precisely why yowie research in Aus has little or no credibility. Banner's word display exactly the same hypocrisy that occurs on AYR and drives people away.
It is such a pity and a shame, because as you point out there is a wealth of information there and a great potential to advance the cause regardless of whether you're skeptical (like me) or a true believer. Like I said, it's a pity...
I spend time talking with skeptics and believers and on the whole get on with most of them and enjoy the discussion no matter which side they support. Unfortunately it just doesn't work that way on AYR because of a few egos.
I know I said I wouldn't post on it anymore but it's just so damn disappointing that the egos won't let go and or open up and be truthful. Too bad...
I'm hopeful that BFF has enough population to keep it from being mis-directed by a inner minority.
Mr Grumpy pants (aka Mike Williams/BANNER),
I will give you an even swap. How about you as a representative of AYR tell us why AYR (MBW) Mike Williams was so pleased to post Dean's lies on Cryptomundo - one in particular outed by Loren Coleman, and then avoid mention of it in your Mr Grumpy Pants posts? Are you trying to make people think I have not told the truth about the fake footprints? Interesting that.... It's not the first time YOU or AYR have tried to supply disinformation about others in order to gain some false benefit and I do not think it will be the last. AYR's behavior is a blight on the Crypto community and you are continuing in a similar vein...is that strange or predictable behavior???
Hmmm....Could it be YOU realise YOU ruined the credibility of AYR completely by posting those lies? and can't bring yourself to admit it and want to try back yourself up with more baseless accusations? Your continued antagonistic nature does nothing for AYR and makes Cryptozoology look like a childish egocentric farce.
Everyone is just scratching their heads here and wondering when you will go away or change your tune.
I really think you need a hug or an enema. (hint...start with your brain) I have never encountered such adolescent childish fools. At your age Mike, you and Dean should know a lot better. You live and learn I guess.
I will give you an even swap. How about you as a representative of AYR tell us why AYR (MBW) Mike Williams was so pleased to post Dean's lies on Cryptomundo - one in particular outed by Loren Coleman, and then avoid mention of it in your Mr Grumpy Pants posts? Are you trying to make people think I have not told the truth about the fake footprints? Interesting that.... It's not the first time YOU or AYR have tried to supply disinformation about others in order to gain some false benefit and I do not think it will be the last. AYR's behavior is a blight on the Crypto community and you are continuing in a similar vein...is that strange or predictable behavior???
Hmmm....Could it be YOU realise YOU ruined the credibility of AYR completely by posting those lies? and can't bring yourself to admit it and want to try back yourself up with more baseless accusations? Your continued antagonistic nature does nothing for AYR and makes Cryptozoology look like a childish egocentric farce.
Everyone is just scratching their heads here and wondering when you will go away or change your tune.
I really think you need a hug or an enema. (hint...start with your brain) I have never encountered such adolescent childish fools. At your age Mike, you and Dean should know a lot better. You live and learn I guess.
Just to be clear.... I didn't make that last statement as an Admin or a Mod. I'm neither. It's just common sense stuff. Common to some, that is.
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