As the saying goes YL1, the truth can hurt! (especially when life is one poor assumption after the next!)

I will give you an even swap. How about you as a representative of AYR tell us why AYR (MBW) Mike Williams was so pleased to post Dean's lies on Cryptomundo (Because Dean's "reply" after the tirade of behind the scenes emails he received, was sweetly satisfying. Regarding the attack and what Dean says he saw the following day, there were no lies. Regarding certain conversations, those all did take place though not necessarily in the right order or exact time as he recollected they did. There may be some factual incorrectness concerning the time and place of those conversations due to the repetitive phone calls, emails, text messages, and face to face talk all in a very short period of time Dean was bombarded with. The correct placing of those particular conversations is inconsequential and trivial except to AYR Bannees)

- one in particular outed by Loren Coleman, (you mean this one: “Even Loren has emailed asking why they are bothering him,” and Loren stating, "has been removed from the MBW post because it is factually incorrect." Yeah - factually incorrect - not a lie. Coleman wouldn't have had an agenda for sweeping that under the carpet if he used the word "bother" now, would he? Perhaps he used the word "annoy" instead? Who cares? People would have declined to contact Coleman if they thought he might get "bothered" by the contact! His site can't afford that so he enforced some political correctness) and then avoid mention of it in your Mr Grumpy Pants posts? (What's to avoid?) Are you trying to make people think I have not told the truth about the fake footprints? (What kind of a buffoon attends a yowie expedition, finds some human type bare footprints in stark contrast to the team members always being seen wearing shoes, at a precise incident spot, and doesn't tell anyone or show anyone else, doesn't photograph them, and doesn't suggest a plaster cast be made, even just to later help substantiate a possible hoax suspicion?) Interesting that.... (Exactly! An example of ill placed arrogance!) It's not the first time YOU or AYR have tried to supply disinformation about others in order to gain some false benefit and I do not think it will be the last. (What's a false benefit? Either there is a benefit or there isn't one. Make up your mind.) AYR's behavior is a blight on the Crypto community and you are continuing in a similar vein...is that strange or predictable behavior??? (AYR is at the forefront of Yowie research. Please name any other website containing a collection of researchers, that has more yowie research data than AYR? It's predictable there will always be resistance.)

Hmmm....Could it be YOU realise YOU ruined the credibility of AYR completely by posting those lies? (Nope. There are no lies. Some factual oversights regarding trivialities perhaps, but no lies, and AYR's credibility is intact, no matter what you think.) and can't bring yourself to admit it and want to try back yourself up with more baseless accusations? (You want to tell everyone you found two fake footprints, yet refuse to state why they are fake - ergo: baseless!) Your continued antagonistic nature does nothing for AYR and makes Cryptozoology look like a childish egocentric farce. (If asking for a simple explanation from you regarding an opinion you are purporting to be fact is an example of antagonism, you need to find yourself a dictionary. Nothing wrong with a few egos if it helps entertain and get the work done. The farce is bringing arrogance, selfishness, and childish pride into a research group!)

Everyone is just scratching their heads here and wondering when you will go away or change your tune. (Was this your happy place you liked to get away to? Everyone cheering and patting each other on the back? I'm not going anywhere YL1. Get used to my tune.)

I really think you need a hug or an enema. (hint...start with your brain) (and I really think you need to fix your lie detector! It's permanently broken!) I have never encountered such adolescent childish fools. (Are you sure about that? Red Devil would be very hurt to hear you refuse to acknowledge his existence!) At your age Mike, you and Dean should know a lot better. You live and learn I guess. (Did you get your mother to type this last bit?)

Post removed. Changed my mind.

t.

Someone put a classified ad in the paper seeking stores.

Good wishes and kind thoughts to you Banner...

I think this thread is probably well and truly finished.

After having read much and participated in the discussion I am of the opinion that nothing can improve yowie research in Australia because none of the major research efforts (AYR, Gilroy, et al) come from a null hypothesis perspective, i.e. all efforts seemed focussed on either proving or disproving the yowie.

Perhaps that, then, is the way to improve yowie research in Australia. To create an organisation that is about non-aligned research, i.e. observe, study, collate and report without editorialising, sensationalising or pushing a particular line.

Wait,wait,wait
Before you close this thread I have a really important question.

Is vegemite any good? I was thinking of buying some.

I have never encountered such adolescent childish fools. (Are you sure about that? Red Devil would be very hurt to hear you refuse to acknowledge his existence!)

cry cry cry cry thats not nice mike.I DO have feelings you know! I'm going to tell my mum and dad on you!

vegemite is awesome FG
but unfortunately for you, you would have had to been brought up with it, doesnt really agree with an adult palate if your new to it, but definately worth a try.
word of advice: dont spread it thick like peanut butter
i wonder if anyone has used it as bait for the big guy?

FG,

Whilst off-topic can I suggest the following:

Crispy toast spread first with butter, then a generous helping of vegemite then topped of with avocado slices. Brilliant...

Or

Toasted English muffin, spread with butter then another generous helping of vegemite then a thick layer of peanut butter. Almost perfect...

Hello, I found an interesting resouce which may help! I'm posting in this thread as it fits the subject. I'll post these stories in the Newspaper Archive thread too, but wanted to make others aware of this online research tool from New Zealand.

I was searching Google News search, which is pretty cool by itself, and came across this archive.

Very old, definitive statements from the folks Down Under...I searched for "Wild man" and came up with these.

Tirademan

"Papers Past contains more than one million pages of digitised New Zealand newspapers and periodicals. The collection covers the years 1839 to 1932 and includes 52 publications from all regions of New Zealand."

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

All of this, with the possible exception of white eyes seems to apply to North America. Based on what you say my conclusion is the Yowie situation is not much different from the North American BF.

To try to answer:

1. Kind of like that old James Bond movie commercial: He can out-run, out-jump, out-last any living man (of course, they were actually talking about the bad guy). Add to that a long list of other ways the human capacity is exceeded and you have the beginnings of an answer. They are the masters of their world somewhat like we are the masters of ours. Except they are sneakier. And pollute less.

2. The same reason why the BF community in the U.S. is so fractious and disjointed. Elementary primate psychology as applied to human beings. And it isn't just the BF or Yowie communities.

3. Don't know the man. Here are the possible answers: Either he knowns something others don't, is making it up, or is deluded.

4. Maybe they grow? Individual variability? Different species/subspecies?

5. Same reason N.A. BF usually have red or green "glowing" eyes, individual variability.

6. Sexual dimorphism, or different genus/species/subspecies would be my guess.

Tirademan,

As usual you come through. I talked recently with a New Zealand native, now a U.S. resident, who assured me that New Zealand had never had such thing as a wildman, and had never heard of the Yowie. I may have to just give her an education about her own country.

Rod,

First 'pull your head in'... or words to that effect.

Not being from Australia, all I can give some generalized advice. I have my own means of doing the following, which at times seem helpful, you may have to develop your own.

Find where they are seen. Try to figure out why they are there. Figure out if they are moving from place to place.

Be secretive, at least within reason, so its harder to hoax you. But not to the point of going missing if something goes wrong.

Figure out when and where they are most disadvantaged, and, as we say in our cowboy movies "try to head them off at the pass".

You can passively listen for audio cues, or actively try to attract them using them. Generally its best not to do both at the same location, though if you abandon passive for active it may not be an issue. You would know more about what sounds a Yowie is supposed to make than I, but I generally would recommend trying to replicate it yourself (vocally) unless this is impossible. A little is better than a lot, and don't expect responses in kind. Game calls may or may not work, I don't use them.

I'm not familiar enough with the Yowie to assess its danger to researchers in the present day. In general, weapons are not going to engender warm and fuzzy feelings in anything intelligent enough to know what they are. Perhaps gadgetry of any kind illicits a somewhat similar response. I guess try to use as little equipment as your comfort zone allows.

Fewer researchers is probably better, (one is probably best for results, worst for safety), they are less detectable and seem less of a threat if detected.

Whether you think they are around or not do what you can to make them think they have the upper hand and are in control, but not to the point of endangering yourself. Or to the point of knowingly trying to endanger yourself. Managing danger is difficult, and when you factor in your poisonous snakes that's beyond me.

There are various gambits. Stealth is one, but don't expect it to work indefinitely. Acting normal (typical camper, hunter, etc.) while discretely observing is another. These two are probably the most workable strategies.

In general you have to assume motor vehicle use will be detected: it alerts them of a human presence, and possibly brings them to investigate, or warns them to stay away. Dropping off an observer is one gambit, but determine (don't assume) the workability of any radio communications if that is part of the plan. Mid-day arrival is another, the sun may keep them away. At night they may be more likely to have a look at any guests.

Patience is the most important thing, expect an enormously high failure rate, at least until you get some idea of where you might "strike paydirt".

Take things seriously, prepare, maintain discipline, make a plan and stick to it unless it becomes unusable, go to a prepared alternate plan if needed. Try to never lose your temper (I keep working on that).

If you want to change hominology in Australia, the best way is to do it yourself. Develop techniques that work for you, follow them, collect some data, amass it into evidence, present it, weather the slings and arrows with composure, teach others the techniques that work and be an example they can look up to in character and method.

Or... you could try Fosters. Lots and lots of Fosters left out in the bush. That might work.

There's probably other things I should say, but I'm getting pretty tired. Its the wee hours of the morning and we are planning to poke our heads into the mountains today, so you'll have to take this for what its worth.

Good luck to all you in the land down under,

PF

Rod, I hope it goes without saying that the "head" comment was meant to be a clearly intended joke.

What a trainwreck this thread is...